I'm a fairly liberal person and not overly paranoid about "big brother" and I would have a major issue with placing a GPS tracker on my car. Sure they can track me other ways, cell phones being one of them. But those usually involve warrants and such. I don't need my beer runs to the grocery store or going across town to my squeeze being subject to a Freedom of Information Act request.

I would be more in favor of just paying a tax at tag-renewal time. Mr. Catch22 you drove 18,000 miles this year and your total comes out to $419.68. Great.

Article that was published today addressing Tesla promised range and the customer service Tesla provides when customers have issues with the reality of Tesla cars.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

There was this also https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2023/07/24/those-in-the-southwest-are-learning-electric-cars-dont-like-it-hot/?sh=95fe9b3399a2 I just drove to Vegas it was 100 the whole trip there and back even in New Mexico. I got 36.2 miles to the gallon in my ford focus $250 in gas round trip. I even went to Phoenix before Vegas for 2 days. Way back from Vegas I had to stop 3 times for gas. I can't see stopping every 250 miles to charge my car.

Surely technology exists to measure and tax the electricity used in the home charging stations the same way the commercial stations do (or could do) it.

Surely technology exists to measure and tax the electricity used in the home charging stations the same way the commercial stations do (or could do) it.
There are devices available to monitor the energy used by an individual electrical device. I'm not sure how a large number of them could be made to report usage to a collection center but I'm sure that can be done.

I'm a fairly liberal person and not overly paranoid about "big brother" and I would have a major issue with placing a GPS tracker on my car. Sure they can track me other ways, cell phones being one of them. But those usually involve warrants and such. I don't need my beer runs to the grocery store or going across town to my squeeze being subject to a Freedom of Information Act request.

I would be more in favor of just paying a tax at tag-renewal time. Mr. Catch22 you drove 18,000 miles this year and your total comes out to $419.68. Great.

It doesn’t take gps. There are already ways. GPS is just the one this board knows I guess. For instance, toll tags don’t use gps. Or, how about your car just report total mileage per day, or week, or month, or year based on mileage consumed… doesn’t need particulars, just aggregate number.

Lots of technical ways to do this.

...GPS is just the one this board knows I guess...
This is an unnecessarily harsh and demeaning assessment. Posters who were discussing GPS were clearly responding to this post (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=43628&page=21&p=1239233#post1239233), in which OP said:


What states have been looking into is either having some kind of GPS device in your car. I imagine you would pay a penalty tax if you refuse the device. The digital license plates you can get in California already have GPS built into them.

Responding to the details of a specific post and remaining topical is not the same thing as lacking knowledge or imagination.

This is an unnecessarily harsh and demeaning assessment. Posters who were discussing GPS were clearly responding to this post (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=43628&page=21&p=1239233#post1239233), in which OP said:



Responding to the details of a specific post and remaining topical is not the same thing as lacking knowledge or imagination.

The whole discussion keeps trending back to the govt tracking our movements with GPS. Government tracking us and the technology to assess road taxes fairly are two distinct conversations to be had. It wasn't harsh, just reflecting the overall conversation direction. And, most people are very unaware of what technology actually exists now, and for how long it has existed, that would enable each of us to be tracked by the government. Lots of gossip and imagination, but few actually KNOW.

How many people voluntarily use the "Smart Driver Discount" device their insurance offers. Those are tracking devices.

How many people voluntarily use the "Smart Driver Discount" device their insurance offers. Those are tracking devices.

The key words are “voluntarily” and “insurance companies” which differ substantially from “mandatory” and “government”

The key words are “voluntarily” and “insurance companies” which differ substantially from “mandatory” and “government”

I don't see a scenario where the government would force anyone to install anything they don't want. It would be a "discount" program. People could pay in one lump sum every year based on odometer miles. That would be a bigger bill though that may or may not be accurate based on travel habits. A GPS tracker would be one of the options someone can choose from to lower their tax bill. Similar to insurance programs.

I for one can't wait to get into an EV since installing solar on my home. I'll no longer be beholden to increased prices at the pump every time some tinpot dictator invades his neighbor. The price of oil is too unstable for it to not eventually be overtaken by other commodities.

I for one can't wait to get into an EV since installing solar on my home. I'll no longer be beholden to increased prices at the pump every time some tinpot dictator invades his neighbor. The price of oil is too unstable for it to not eventually be overtaken by other commodities.

Tbf, you could make the same argument for lithium prices:

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

I for one can't wait to get into an EV since installing solar on my home. I'll no longer be beholden to increased prices at the pump every time some tinpot dictator invades his neighbor. The price of oil is too unstable for it to not eventually be overtaken by other commodities.

Exactly why I bought a CNG Honda Civic earlier this year. Used and not nearly as cool but much cheaper and gas is $1.36-$1.70 if you fill up at ONG. There are plenty of filling stations in OK and Texas.

That said…if I had more money to spend on a second car in addition to my truck…I’d be all over a tesla. If I still owned a home and the credits/incentives made sense (and I they weren’t visible from the front of my house), I’d def look into solar as well.

Tbf, you could make the same argument for lithium prices:

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

yeah but that has much less impact on the consumer after the initial vehicle purchase.

Tbf, you could make the same argument for lithium prices:

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

Either the supply chains will get their acts together, or we'll transition to other battery materials. There are already technologies being worked on which exclude lithium, cobalt, etc. The nice thing is that as far as I can tell, existing lithium batteries could be replaced with newer technology down the line. Also, our lithium supply is mostly from Canada, not a country likely to go to war anytime soon.

Exactly why I bought a CNG Honda Civic earlier this year. Used and not nearly as cool but much cheaper and gas is $1.36-$1.70 if you fill up at ONG. There are plenty of filling stations in OK and Texas.

That said…if I had more money to spend on a second car in addition to my truck…I’d be all over a tesla. If I still owned a home and the credits/incentives made sense (and I they weren’t visible from the front of my house), I’d def look into solar as well.

My work takes me all over the state, so CNG isn't a great option as the government has been subsidizing new EV chargers all over the state--not CNG. I've had some close calls with a car that takes premium gas only not being able to find a place to fill up in the small towns I wind up going to. But with solar, I figure I'd spend even less than $1.36-$1.70/equivalent energy unit when I own the means of production.

And with ONG, why aren't you able to install a pump in your garage?

yeah but that has much less impact on the consumer after the initial vehicle purchase.

Right, and Tesla, even with the recent price reductions is still making more profit on their cars than anyone else, so it doesn't seem to be that big of a problem.

My work takes me all over the state, so CNG isn't a great option as the government has been subsidizing new EV chargers all over the state--not CNG. I've had some close calls with a car that takes premium gas only not being able to find a place to fill up in the small towns I wind up going to. But with solar, I figure I'd spend even less than $1.36-$1.70/equivalent energy unit when I own the means of production.

And with ONG, why aren't you able to install a pump in your garage?

I travel all over the state for work as well and have never had any issue finding somewhere to fill up in OK or Texas. Between, loves, ONG and oncue in OK, there’s a CNG station at least every 100 miles or so in any direction you need to go. In some cases it does take minimal planning but I’ve never been inconvenienced by it.

You can install a slow fill pump system in your garage (several companies sell them) or build a more elaborate fast fill system but I live in an apartment so that isn’t an option right now.

If the US truly wanted to make EVs a priority, they wouldn't have made the credit non-refundable. If you are like me, and always have more taken out to get a refund at year-end, you get no benefit of the tax credit. You can change your withholdings, sure. But even then, a lot won't see a ton of benefit from the credit.

If it were refundable, then I'd order a Tesla today. Just like the child tax credit encourages people to have kids, this should incentive owning one. But I know a ton of people who bought one thinking they got a credit for it. And they were very wrong.

It's even tougher in a state that doesn't incentive them at all, and actively makes it harder to get them by not allowing direct sales of many EVs.

Just kind of discouraging, as I want an EV, but it is not an wasy task getting one.

If the US truly wanted to make EVs a priority, they wouldn't have made the credit non-refundable. If you are like me, and always have more taken out to get a refund at year-end, you get no benefit of the tax credit. You can change your withholdings, sure. But even then, a lot won't see a ton of benefit from the credit.

If it were refundable, then I'd order a Tesla today. Just like the child tax credit encourages people to have kids, this should incentive owning one. But I know a ton of people who bought one thinking they got a credit for it. And they were very wrong.

can't you just adjust your withholdings pretty substantially? or earn some 1099 income and not pay quarterlies?

If the US truly wanted to make EVs a priority, they wouldn't have made the credit non-refundable. If you are like me, and always have more taken out to get a refund at year-end, you get no benefit of the tax credit. You can change your withholdings, sure. But even then, a lot won't see a ton of benefit from the credit.

If it were refundable, then I'd order a Tesla today. Just like the child tax credit encourages people to have kids, this should incentive owning one. But I know a ton of people who bought one thinking they got a credit for it. And they were very wrong.

It's even tougher in a state that doesn't incentive them at all, and actively makes it harder to get them by not allowing direct sales of many EVs.

Just kind of discouraging, as I want an EV, but it is not an wasy task getting one.

Isn't it nonrefundable in that you can't get back more than you owe in taxes total, not just what you'd owe for under/over payment during the year? In other words, as long as your total tax liability (whether paid accurately throughout the year through withholding or due at the time of filing) is at least $7500, you can get the full tax credit (subject to other credits further reducing your tax liability, of course). I don't think it should have any thing to do with withholding or what you owe/what you're owed by the time you file, and the confusion maybe stems from the use of the word 'refund' for people getting back what they've overpaid in taxes. The difference is that you can't "make" money on the credit if your total tax liability is below the credit's worth.

I have a charging question. I will be getting an F-150 Lightning in a couple of months and I need to choose between the 80 Amp and the 48 Amp chargers. I rarely drive more than 100 miles in a week so I wouldn't need a fast charge very often, but I'd hate to get the 48 Amp charger and find out it's not enough. Can someone who is more electricity knowledgeable than me (probably everyone) give me some advice?

Isn't it nonrefundable in that you can't get back more than you owe in taxes total, not just what you'd owe for under/over payment during the year? In other words, as long as your total tax liability (whether paid accurately throughout the year through withholding or due at the time of filing) is at least $7500, you can get the full tax credit (subject to other credits further reducing your tax liability, of course). I don't think it should have any thing to do with withholding or what you owe/what you're owed by the time you file, and the confusion maybe stems from the use of the word 'refund' for people getting back what they've overpaid in taxes. The difference is that you can't "make" money on the credit if your total tax liability is below the credit's worth.

I may have misread it. I interpreted it as your liability is your after withholdings amount either owed or due back. But if it is pre, then it might be worth it.

your withholdings have nothing to do with your actual tax liability. They are just estimated payments throughout the year.

Non-refundable always and only means the credit will not take your tax liability into the negative. Refundable means after all is said and done, the government may have paid you money for the tax year.

$7,500 in liability for married filing jointly would be $120k taxable income with standard deduction in a 2 child household getting the $4k in child tax credits (taken before the EV credit)

For single, no kids, a $68k taxable income allows you to get the full credit.

To get the full credit in both scenarios gross income would need to be higher than the above dollar-for-dollar by any non-taxable benefit deductions (health/dental/vision/401k etc)

Isn't it nonrefundable in that you can't get back more than you owe in taxes total, not just what you'd owe for under/over payment during the year? In other words, as long as your total tax liability (whether paid accurately throughout the year through withholding or due at the time of filing) is at least $7500, you can get the full tax credit (subject to other credits further reducing your tax liability, of course). I don't think it should have any thing to do with withholding or what you owe/what you're owed by the time you file, and the confusion maybe stems from the use of the word 'refund' for people getting back what they've overpaid in taxes. The difference is that you can't "make" money on the credit if your total tax liability is below the credit's worth.

Yes, this. I claimed it last year because my tax liability to the govt was something like 12,000+. As far as getting the credit for Tesla, no luck - it only applies to companies that have sold less than 250,000 EVs total, I believe, so Ford and Tesla buyers (with maybe others by now) get no credits. I got mine because far less than 250,000 MINI EVs have been sold in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

^
i'm not aware of manufacturer production limits for ev tax credit eligibility. my understanding is that the restrictions as of this year are mainly:


maximum msrp of $55k for cars and $85k for trucks/suv's/crossovers
minimum requirements for materials/assembly within the united states
maximum limits on household income

^
i'm not aware of manufacturer production limits for ev tax credit eligibility. my understanding is that the restrictions as of this year are mainly:


maximum msrp of $55k for cars and $85k for trucks/suv's/crossovers
minimum requirements for materials/assembly within the united states
maximum limits on household income


Yes, that's correct. I think there may have been production limits in place before the Inflation Reduction Act updates to the EV credit last year. Starting with vehicles produced in April 2023, all new Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles qualify for the full credit (subject to the MSRP limitations, income limits, etc). It looks like the vehicles that currently qualify for the full EV credit are:

- Tesla Model 3
- Tesla Model Y
- Volkswagon ID.4
- Rivian R1S and R1T
- Ford F-150 Lightning
- Ford Mustang Mach-E
- Cadillac LYRIQ
- Chevrolet Blazer, Bolt, Equinox, and Silverado

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax2023.shtml

There was this also https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2023/07/24/those-in-the-southwest-are-learning-electric-cars-dont-like-it-hot/?sh=95fe9b3399a2 I just drove to Vegas it was 100 the whole trip there and back even in New Mexico. I got 36.2 miles to the gallon in my ford focus $250 in gas round trip. I even went to Phoenix before Vegas for 2 days. Way back from Vegas I had to stop 3 times for gas. I can't see stopping every 250 miles to charge my car.
The recent Reuters piece about exaggerated mileage claims that Tesla makes based on Elon's directive does make one question about buying a Tesla vehicle.

The recent Reuters piece about exaggerated mileage claims that Tesla makes based on Elon's directive does make one question about buying a Tesla vehicle.

every manufacturer exaggerates estimated range.

also, wild to see that Ford is losing this much cash on every ev sold: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/07/ford-loses-over-32000-per-ev-during-the-second-quarter-shifts-production-goals/.

every manufacturer exaggerates estimated range.

also, wild to see that Ford is losing this much cash on every ev sold: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/07/ford-loses-over-32000-per-ev-during-the-second-quarter-shifts-production-goals/.

https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/
Please back up your every manufacturer claim with more than a personal opinion. This involved the software showing the range on the dashboard.
Tesla was also unique in getting fined a couple of million for mileage exaggerations by Korea. While you're at it see if you can find similar directives from other CEO's.

^
i'm not aware of manufacturer production limits for ev tax credit eligibility. my understanding is that the restrictions as of this year are mainly:


maximum msrp of $55k for cars and $85k for trucks/suv's/crossovers
minimum requirements for materials/assembly within the united states
maximum limits on household income


Yeah, good point, what I was referring to was the old way of doing things:

https://evadoption.com/ev-sales/federal-ev-tax-credit-phase-out-tracker-by-automaker/

Since I had already gotten my MINI and dealt with the credit, I didn't pay much attention to the new regulations, so here are the EVs that currently qualify:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/17/ev-treasury-department-regulation-00092123

Glad I got mine before all the new stuff went into effect, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten any tax credit.

https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/
Please back up your every manufacturer claim with more than a personal opinion. This involved the software showing the range on the dashboard.
Tesla was also unique in getting fined a couple of million for mileage exaggerations by Korea. While you're at it see if you can find similar directives from other CEO's.

Weird that you would attempt to call what is an obvious fact a personal opinion. Very weird.

https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/04/03/real-ev-ranges-are-20-lower-than-carmakers-claim/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/manufacturers-of-electric-cars-are-putting-exaggerated-vehicle-ranges-in-their-publicity-because-tests-do-not-reflect-real-life-a-study-has-revealed/ar-AA19lq0B
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/electric-vehicle-ranges-on-average-45-miles-lower-than-car-makers-advertise-warns-consumer-group/282208

Weird that you would attempt to call what is an obvious fact a personal opinion. Very weird.

https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/04/03/real-ev-ranges-are-20-lower-than-carmakers-claim/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/manufacturers-of-electric-cars-are-putting-exaggerated-vehicle-ranges-in-their-publicity-because-tests-do-not-reflect-real-life-a-study-has-revealed/ar-AA19lq0B
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/electric-vehicle-ranges-on-average-45-miles-lower-than-car-makers-advertise-warns-consumer-group/282208

Weird that you are defending Tesla by saying all do it. Yet you fail to acknowledge that Tesla is worse than the others. 45 miles on the average of all EVs Model Y a hundred miles. Also you fail to acknowledge Tesla being so bad that the Korean government fined only Tesla 200m because they are so off. Context.

Don't hook up a trailer to your F150 EV. You know, a vehicle that should be able to pull a trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y&t=611s

Don't hook up a trailer to your F150 EV. You know, a vehicle that should be able to pull a trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y&t=611s

So don't tow with your EV. Don't run them in hot weather. Don't run them in cold weather. Sounds like a winner to me.

45 miles on the average of all EVs Model Y a hundred miles.

Huh?

So don't tow with your EV. Don't run them in hot weather. Don't run them in cold weather. Sounds like a winner to me.

Very well said.

Don't hook up a trailer to your F150 EV. You know, a vehicle that should be able to pull a trailer.


I don't really get the concept or appeal of an electric truck or really an ICE truck for that matter. At least an electric SUV is more aerodynamic. I guess you can haul light to moderate loads occasionally while paying a price premium? I would go with an electric car just to get my return on investment as soon as possible.

https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/news/the-ev-plateau-is-coming-its-bad-news-for-companies-like-ford-and-tesla-/amp_articleshow/102619815.cms

https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/news/the-ev-plateau-is-coming-its-bad-news-for-companies-like-ford-and-tesla-/amp_articleshow/102619815.cms

i mean analysts say a lot of things and often are wrong. but this was an interesting read.

I suspect we are close to exhausting the early adopters, so sales will start to flatten out for a while.

In the meantime, the charging infrastructure and tech will improve and then the snowball will start rolling downhill at an increasing rate. Exactly when is the only real debate... My best guess is another 5-10 years.

As a single-car household, I would not buy an EV at this point. But by the time I am in the market again, I suspect I will only look at EV's.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ev-firm-proterra-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy-2023-08-07/

There is going to be slower sales, but I bet you ICE sales will also be slower. The era of cheap financing appears to be coming to an end.

There is going to be slower sales, but I bet you ICE sales will also be slower. The era of cheap financing appears to be coming to an end.

car financing for those with good / great credit .. doesn't really relate to the fed rate ... ... if care sales slow .. expect to see manufacture offer very low self financing like they have done in the past ..

I don't really get the concept or appeal of an electric truck or really an ICE truck for that matter. At least an electric SUV is more aerodynamic. I guess you can haul light to moderate loads occasionally while paying a price premium? I would go with an electric car just to get my return on investment as soon as possible.

Because its a way to keep revenue up. Its a lot easier to charge 100k for a big electric SUV as opposed to a small sedan. Electric cars are actually worse for the environment in that it makes people think that a car centric society can be sustainable.

Electric cars are actually worse for the environment

You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars (https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/)
Science has repeatedly shown EVs are better for humans, despite the meme you just retweeted.

^ This. Just another push to make people believe something that isn't real.

i've just heard too many horror stories from folks with full EVs.

will be looking pretty hard at luxury hybrid SUVs when i decide to move on from my GV80.

You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars (https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/)
Science has repeatedly shown EVs are better for humans, despite the meme you just retweeted.

Theyre worse for the environment in that they enable people to think that everyone driving everywhere is going to still be a sustainable course of action. I am not speaking in regards to the mining for materials or the lifecycle of the vehicle.

I have an electric car and haven't had any major issues. But I agree that it would be better to have great public transit and less driving cars.

Theyre worse for the environment in that they enable people to think that everyone driving everywhere is going to still be a sustainable course of action. I am not speaking in regards to the mining for materials or the lifecycle of the vehicle.

People aren't giving up private car ownership. I understand dreaming of a perfect utopian mass transit solution, but EVs replacing gas powered vehicles is a major positive transition that shouldn't be proclaimed as "worse for the environment".

Theyre worse for the environment in that they enable people to think that everyone driving everywhere is going to still be a sustainable course of action. I am not speaking in regards to the mining for materials or the lifecycle of the vehicle.

by that logic, public transportation is worse for the environment than riding horses or walking. so guess public transportation is bad then.

by that logic, public transportation is worse for the environment than riding horses or walking. so guess public transportation is bad then.

But if 50 people take 1 vehicle, that is better for the environment than 50 people taking 30 vehicles.

But if 50 people take 1 vehicle, that is better for the environment than 50 people taking 30 vehicles.

yes. public transportation is better in many ways than everyone owning cars. but car culture isn't just going to go away. that isn't a real option. so to say that EV's are worse for the environment than public transportation, fine, but they are still significantly better than the alternative vehicles those 50 people would have been driving, and can much more easily become a real replacement option.

by that logic, public transportation is worse for the environment than riding horses or walking. so guess public transportation is bad then.

I'm not sure everyone riding horses would be good for the environment compared to mass transit. Horses eat a lot. lol :)

yes. public transportation is better in many ways than everyone owning cars. but car culture isn't just going to go away. that isn't a real option. so to say that EV's are worse for the environment than public transportation, fine, but they are still significantly better than the alternative vehicles those 50 people would have been driving, and can much more easily become a real replacement option.

If youve made the decision that cars are the only way our society can function you may be victim to motornormativity. (https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/31/23579510/car-brain-motornormativity-study-ian-walker)
It took decades and trillions in public investment to rebuild american society around the car. We arent going to flip a switch and fix the problem tomorrow. Also, I am not against people owning a car. I am just against society subsidizing the cost of ownership of cars.

by that logic, public transportation is worse for the environment than riding horses or walking. so guess public transportation is bad then.

That’s not what josefromtulsa is saying. The belief is that in certain instances, electric vehicles can create a false dichotomy by encouraging consumers to think switching to electric instead of gas fixes most or all issues related to motor vehicles, especially environmental concerns, which leads to an illusion that enough has been done to fix those concerns. That in turn can lead to complacency or inaction by a segment of the populace that previously was more active in combatting the issues at hand, then just starting the cycle over (unsustainable city planning, insufficient public transportation, uncontrolled sprawl, increasingly longer commutes, thinning resources, etc) but with a relatively better environment. It’s not that these issues will definitely come into play, but that without proper planning, cooperation, communication, education, among other things, it can add to what increasingly seems like a losing battle.

If youve made the decision that cars are the only way our society can function you may be victim to motornormativity. (https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/31/23579510/car-brain-motornormativity-study-ian-walker)
It took decades and trillions in public investment to rebuild american society around the car. We arent going to flip a switch and fix the problem tomorrow. Also, I am not against people owning a car. I am just against society subsidizing the cost of ownership of cars.

i mean that literally isn't what i said. but even if we went full mass transit, there will still be gas powered vehicles, think in Europe how they still have delivery trucks, etc. Public transit can not replace every situation, even in those places. so having an EV infrastructure to support even changing over those vehicles that would still exist, as well as last-mile travel options, would still be an improvement over gas powered options that exist today. Public transit can not replace everything, and never will. hence, it is not a real option. I fully support public transit and which we would see a lot more planning and building of this infrastructure. but public transit does not solve all transportation needs, and thus EV's still have a very real place in the world.

That’s not what josefromtulsa is saying. The belief is that in certain instances, electric vehicles can create a false dichotomy by encouraging consumers to think switching to electric instead of gas fixes most or all issues related to motor vehicles, especially environmental concerns, which leads to an illusion that enough has been done to fix those concerns. That in turn can lead to complacency or inaction by a segment of the populace that previously was more active in combatting the issues at hand, then just starting the cycle over (unsustainable city planning, insufficient public transportation, uncontrolled sprawl, increasingly longer commutes, thinning resources, etc) but with a relatively better environment. It’s not that these issues will definitely come into play, but that without proper planning, cooperation, communication, education, among other things, it can add to what increasingly seems like a losing battle.

You've got it 100 percent. We needed to move away from cars years ago. Unfortunately, it will be the youth who will pay the sins of the father.

Edit: not to mention the increasing focus on all the PM 2.5 issues associated with rubber tires.