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Our Lady of Victory, National Shine & Basilica (Father Nelson Baker Shrine) Lackawanna, NY



Could we see a 2,000 seat Basilica & Shine (Father Stanley Rother Shrine) Catholic Church (Similar to the church in New York) built in Oklahoma City?


Editor's note: This story is part of "Road to Sainthood," an ongoing series about the late Rev. Stanley Rother, the first U.S.-born male and U.S. priest named a martyr by the Roman Catholic Church. His beatification, at a ceremony planned for Sept. 23 in Oklahoma City, will place him one step closer to canonization. http://www.oklahoman.com/road-to-sainthood-golf-course-property-will-be-site-of-rother-shrine/article/5558951

Link with video and architectural drawings.

http://newsok.com/road-to-sainthood-golf-course-property-will-be-site-of-rother-shrine/article/5558951

It's very interesting to see this coming up and the location will be VERY visible along I-35 with the size of the structure. The did a very good job of explaining the "whys" in the video Brett gave.

Before watching the video, my main concern was, plopping a 2k person church out of nothing means that you have to fill the congregation from other churches that already exist. How are they going to fill this church and make it financial viable, without causing irreparable harm to the congregations of the smaller churches? As he said, the Catholic population in OKC is only 3-4%. Yes the concentration is probably higher in South OKC than other areas because of the cultural ties with the Hispanic community. But do they really think they will be able to sustain this without killing some of the smaller churches? It's not really a growth of "The Church" if the congregations just consolidate to a larger structure. Yeah you get cost savings, but you also get abandoned buildings. So i have some concerns because of the size of this project. Crossroads Cathedral (or whatever they call it now) is caddy-corner to this lot. One could have said the same thing about that structure being built where it was. But i do not believe that the congregation ever grew to what they had hoped when building there. Similarly to Del City First Southern. Each had heavy financial issues where they had large congregations, but they simply weren't large enough to maintain the large structures.

It's very interesting to see this coming up and the location will be VERY visible along I-35 with the size of the structure. The did a very good job of explaining the "whys" in the video Brett gave.

Before watching the video, my main concern was, plopping a 2k person church out of nothing means that you have to fill the congregation from other churches that already exist. How are they going to fill this church and make it financial viable, without causing irreparable harm to the congregations of the smaller churches? As he said, the Catholic population in OKC is only 3-4%. Yes the concentration is probably higher in South OKC than other areas because of the cultural ties with the Hispanic community. But do they really think they will be able to sustain this without killing some of the smaller churches? It's not really a growth of "The Church" if the congregations just consolidate to a larger structure. Yeah you get cost savings, but you also get abandoned buildings. So i have some concerns because of the size of this project. Crossroads Cathedral (or whatever they call it now) is caddy-corner to this lot. One could have said the same thing about that structure being built where it was. But i do not believe that the congregation ever grew to what they had hoped when building there. Similarly to Del City First Southern. Each had heavy financial issues where they had large congregations, but they simply weren't large enough to maintain the large structures.

I thought I read where they were setting aside 3 million dollars for an endowment to maintain the church / shrine ?

It's very interesting to see this coming up and the location will be VERY visible along I-35 with the size of the structure. The did a very good job of explaining the "whys" in the video Brett gave.

Before watching the video, my main concern was, plopping a 2k person church out of nothing means that you have to fill the congregation from other churches that already exist. How are they going to fill this church and make it financial viable, without causing irreparable harm to the congregations of the smaller churches? As he said, the Catholic population in OKC is only 3-4%. Yes the concentration is probably higher in South OKC than other areas because of the cultural ties with the Hispanic community. But do they really think they will be able to sustain this without killing some of the smaller churches? It's not really a growth of "The Church" if the congregations just consolidate to a larger structure. Yeah you get cost savings, but you also get abandoned buildings. So i have some concerns because of the size of this project. Crossroads Cathedral (or whatever they call it now) is caddy-corner to this lot. One could have said the same thing about that structure being built where it was. But i do not believe that the congregation ever grew to what they had hoped when building there. Similarly to Del City First Southern. Each had heavy financial issues where they had large congregations, but they simply weren't large enough to maintain the large structures.

The article states that the catholic population has increased to 8% and that it will help ease the congestion at the south side parishes. Also, they are setting up a 3 million dollar endowment for operations.

Just to let ya'll know, the diocese needs a larger church to host important masses. ( ordinations, important funerals/weddings etc) As far as robbing people from other parishes, on some Sundays some parishes have to overflow to other buildings or have more masses. When people want to go say at 9 am, its hard to get the to go to say 1 pm because there is already masses from early morning to afternoon. Also it will be a place of pilgramage for people to go from all parts of the diocese (western part of Oklahoma) as well as people from out of state. I think the endowment is for other buildings in the diocese as well. Basically this a huge building campain. Hopefully it will be sucessful. I have attended diocisean events where there just was no more space to put people safely (life safety code issues) This is needed.

You should see the new one they are building in Stillwater, it is humongous. They will be finishing pretty soon.

You should see the new one they are building in Stillwater, it is humongous. They will be finishing pretty soon.

Technically, Stillwater and Payne county reside in the Tulsa diocese.

Technically the Tulsa diocese is part of the OKC Archdiocese.

BEATIFICATION OF FR STANLEY ROTHER
10 a.m. Mass
September 23, 2017
Cox Convention Center, Oklahoma City
Archdiocese of Oklahoma City


Pope Francis recognized Father Rother’s martyrdom last December, making him the first martyr born in the United States and first U.S. priest to be beatified.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQIgFZzCxs
Beatification of Fr Stanley Rother Documentary Trailer (born 1935 in Okarche, OK).


Becoming a priest is not primarily our own decision.
Rather it is the response to a call, and to a call of love.— Pope Francis, July 6, 2013


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Holy Trinity Catholic Church, Okarche, OK - OKC Archbishop Paul Coakley & Pope Francis

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Oklahoma City Archbishop Eusebius Beltran (Archbishop Emeritus), center, listens to a mass to celebrate the memory of Father Stanley Rother, photo at far left, at Holy Trinity Catholic Church, Okarche, Okla., Wednesday, July 19, 2006. Stanley Rother was an Oklahoman.



Blessed & proud to be Roman Catholic, a convert baptized at St. Peter Claver Church (OKC) & received the sacrament of confirmation at Our Lady of Perpetual Help Cathedral (†Bishop Victor Reed) in 1962. My sons were baptized & confirmed at Little Flower Catholic Church by †Archbishop Charles Salatka & †Archbishop Eusebius Beltran.

BEAUTIFICATION

of

Father Stanley Rother

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YOU'RE INVITED
Saturday, September 23, 2017
10 a.m.
Cox Convention Center Arena (Doors open 8:00 a.m.)

Beatification Mass for Venerable Servant of God Stanley Francis Rother Saturday, Sept. 23, 2017, 10 a.m. Cox Convention Center in downtown Oklahoma City. Open seating - Tickets not required: http://stanleyrother.org/

BEAUTIFICATION

of

Father Stanley Rother

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YOU'RE INVITED
Saturday, September 23, 2017
10 a.m.
Cox Convention Center Arena (Doors open 8:00 a.m.)

Beatification Mass for Venerable Servant of God Stanley Francis Rother Saturday, Sept. 23, 2017, 10 a.m. Cox Convention Center in downtown Oklahoma City. Open seating - Tickets not required: http://stanleyrother.org/

Beautification?

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Thanks for posting that! I was wondering if this was still on track. Glad to see that it is. Though I'm not very religious, this will be good for OKC. Hopefully will entice more international travelers here giving more momentum towards international flights and buildings like this are usually beautiful and well kept.

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beautiful!

I sincerely hope it gets built - to this spec or better! Praying for the archdiocese!

I won't deny that the building is quite beautiful... but man, what a *massive* waste of space. I was really hoping to see a more efficient land use here. 1,000 parking spaces? Oof. And a bunch of these features marked as "future" buildings? Double-oof. As a southsider, if I'm being honest... Gorgeous though the building might be, the overall site plan is a real disappointment for this property.

Seems like they're "trying to fill it up" with their presence. Like they built to how much land there was instead to a requirements list.

I won't deny that the building is quite beautiful... but man, what a *massive* waste of space. I was really hoping to see a more efficient land use here. 1,000 parking spaces? Oof. And a bunch of these features marked as "future" buildings? Double-oof. As a southsider, if I'm being honest... Gorgeous though the building might be, the overall site plan is a real disappointment for this property.
They will need the parking but hopefully a light rail station is placed near here.

[QUOTE=baralheia;1029262]I won't deny that the building is quite beautiful... but man, what a *massive* waste of space. I was really hoping to see a more efficient land use here. 1,000 parking spaces? Oof. And a bunch of these features marked as "future" buildings? Double-oof. As a southsider, if I'm being honest... Gorgeous though the building might be, the overall site plan is a real disappointment for this property.[/QUOTE

Can you believe.... a CHURCH that wants to make it possible for a lot of people to come worship GOD and isn't worried about modern urbanism. Shame, shame. Where are their priorities?

Can you believe.... a CHURCH that wants to make it possible for a lot of people to come worship GOD and isn't worried about modern urbanism. Shame, shame. Where are their priorities?

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I could see being concerned about that if they were building it right next to downtown or something similar, but this is south of 240 and deep in suburbialand. There's really no call for a highly urban design that far out from the core.

I don’t think it’s that bad of an issue. The parking can later be converted to multi level structures if needed and I can see the reason they have included future phases because they are raising the funds so it makes sense.

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The proposed basiicila will be larger yet similar to Our Lady of Victory, National Shine & Basilica (Father Nelson Baker Shrine) in Lackawanna, NY
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The growth of the Roman Catholic Church is prolific on our south side with enormous growth in parishes like St. James the Greater, Sacred Heart, Little Flower, Holy Angels, Immaculate Conception, St. Paul Apostle (Del City), St. Philip Neri (MWC); these churches can't expand fast enough.

Kudos to our archdioceses. Hope they decide to make the basilica a cathedral for the Oklahoma City archdioceses. There is a need for a mega 2,000 seat basilica in Oklahoma City & a Shine for Father Stanley Rother. My hope is that Pope Francis will be here for the dedication & beatification ceremonies.

This will be one of the largest Roman Catholic Churches in the west south central region.

a papal visit would be phenomenal for us economically, people will literally come from the opposite ends of the earth, but I'm not sure I see that happening

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So, are you saying you want structured parking surrounding the church? You want less space in the courtyards? How do you want to urbanize this?

Why not have the building closer to the street and the parking behind the building. Same amount of everything. If it's going to be a beautiful structure, why make the view from the street cluttered with cars?

This doesn't necessarily need to be urban -- just rearranged to be more appealing to the eye by hiding the cars and putting the building a little bit closer.

^exactly.

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Can you believe.... a CHURCH that wants to make it possible for a lot of people to come worship GOD and isn't worried about modern urbanism. Shame, shame. Where are their priorities?

because you are destroying God's natural beauty (grass, open space, animals,noise, air quality, healthy bodies, etc) with a giant slab of man made concrete?

Why not have the building closer to the street and the parking behind the building. Same amount of everything. If it's going to be a beautiful structure, why make the view from the street cluttered with cars?

This doesn't necessarily need to be urban -- just rearranged to be more appealing to the eye by hiding the cars and putting the building a little bit closer.

Bingo.

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because you are destroying God's natural beauty (grass, open space, animals,noise, air quality, healthy bodies, etc) with a giant slab of man made concrete?Are you serious? Historic churches in Europe have some of the largest giant slab of man made concrete areas anywhere. Vatican City? This set up is just fine. Calm down.

Good suggestion catch22, just wonder if there is some reason why the basilica's parking is spaced out...

Plans for the basilica are okay; it's not like 1,000 cars will be parked there with any frequency as you would see on a new-used car lot.


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Our present cathedral is beautiful inside & out: Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Help--Renaissance Revival architecture; its frontage IMO is a little too close to the street. Attended numerous funerals for dignitaries (Bishops, priests, nuns & members), love the atmosphere & church environment.

Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

Uhhhhhhh...

Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

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Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

Not sure if serious...but if you are...whoa...

For an attempt at a serious answer to the first part of that, I assume the catholic population is increasing because the hispanic population is.

^^^^^^^
Yeah I started to say the same thing, but based on the tone of the post I figured that would be taken to be just as negative if not more than simply more Catholics, so didn’t bother. I’m not Catholic, but that post reads pretty obviously as some pretty ugly religious intolerance or worse and doesn’t belong in this board IMO.

Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

Well this guy might have just won the award for OKCTalk asshat of 2018, and it's only April...

Why not have the building closer to the street and the parking behind the building. Same amount of everything. If it's going to be a beautiful structure, why make the view from the street cluttered with cars?

This doesn't necessarily need to be urban -- just rearranged to be more appealing to the eye by hiding the cars and putting the building a little bit closer.

Look at the layout per post #14. It doesn't look like they own the property up to I-35 access road, only the access site. Bringing the entrance of the church up to the access street wouldn't make much sense, would it? And, putting parking right at the front steps wouldn't. In an urban setting the front steps would be close to the street and the street would be blocked off for visiting dignitaries, wedding vehicles, funeral vehicles, etc. Having the access road at the steps and no parking there would be quite a blockage for these requirements . Opposite is another entrance providing a view onto the lawn, courtyard and church. Where do you propose to "hide" the cars? They are positioned along the sides and provide adequate space for main events likely to be held at this church and should be close enough for easy access by the elderly etc.

Keep in mind, this isn't just to serve as a neighborhood church, but a destination cathedral, museum and reliquarium.

Once built, I seriously doubt it will be disappointing.

Well this guy might have just won the award for OKCTalk asshat of 2018, and it's only April...
Eh, the night is still young. I have a few posts up my sleeve.

Good suggestion catch22, just wonder if there is some reason why the basilica's parking is spaced out...

Plans for the basilica are okay; it's not like 1,000 cars will be parked there with any frequency as you would see on a new-used car lot.


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Our present cathedral is beautiful inside & out: Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Help--Renaissance Revival architecture; its frontage IMO is a little too close to the street. Attended numerous funerals for dignitaries (Bishops, priests, nuns & members), love the atmosphere & church environment.

I attended the wedding vow reconfirmation ceremony into the Catholic faith of a couple friends of mine here a few weeks ago. .... beautiful cathedral. ... Just beautiful!.

Once built, I seriously doubt it will be disappointing.
If you notice, it also looks like they will have extensive landscaping. As you said, this building is set back from the street anyways and no reason to have it fronting the street at this point and it isn't like something can't be built there in the future. The parking looks to be concealed by trees.

Eh, the night is still young. I have a few posts up my sleeve.

;)

Good suggestion catch22, just wonder if there is some reason why the basilica's parking is spaced out...

Plans for the basilica are okay; it's not like 1,000 cars will be parked there with any frequency as you would see on a new-used car lot.


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Our present cathedral is beautiful inside & out: Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Help--Renaissance Revival architecture; its frontage IMO is a little too close to the street. Attended numerous funerals for dignitaries (Bishops, priests, nuns & members), love the atmosphere & church environment.

When I was in orchestra as a teenager we did a concert in this church. The concert was all James Bond music. It was awesome.

Eh, the night is still young. I have a few posts up my sleeve.
Hahahahahaha

Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

Tell me you're less than 14 years old ???

;)


Hahahahahaha
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Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

Gotta get the Basilica built now... ...will need 2,001 seats :wink:

Wow. How is the Catholic population increasing? Who would change their beliefs to join them? I thought OKC was making forward progress. The last thing we need is another catholic church. Where can I start a petition to keep this from happening?

You know their position on birth control, right?

Ian, have you ever heard of the freedom of religion? You are insulting to us Catholics and other people of faith. What do you mean by changing their beliefs to join them? There are many cradle Catholics in the state and the OKC area. Alot of people moving here from other parts of the county are Catholic. I guess you think it is still ok to bash Catholics but not other groups like people of color?? or National origin?? Really in todays age I though we were through with the KKK agenda.

Ops I need to read my posts first. but other groups like people of color. sorry. I add words. brain disconnet right now with kidney stones.

I think that person is just trolling and I'm sure whoever it is is enjoying these comments.

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"The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Oklahoma City has raised more than half the funds needed to build a church and Stanley Rother shrine in south Oklahoma City.

As part of its “One Church, Many Disciples” capital campaign, the archdiocese has collected total commitments for $42 million of the $60 million it set out to raise in July 2017, Peter de Keratry, the archdiocese’s executive director of stewardship and development, said recently. “We have raised significantly more dollars than we had planned to by now,” he said. Lay leaders Steve and Kathy King served as co-chairmen of the campaign committee at St. Gregory the Great Catholic Church."--Oklahoman, May 12, 2018, Carla Hinton

wow, they raised 70% of the $60M in less than a year. Very impressive.

Who said Oklahoma was a poor state. ....

Careful, they said they got COMMITMENTS for that amount of money. That means they dont have that money in hand yet and it wont be 100% of that amount. People can always pledge X number, but coming through with it is another thing.

Still very awesome that they were able to do this. But i'll be more excited when they get the actual dollars and start building.

My monthly pledge is charged to my credit card.

Careful, they said they got COMMITMENTS for that amount of money. That means they dont have that money in hand yet and it wont be 100% of that amount. People can always pledge X number, but coming through with it is another thing.

Still very awesome that they were able to do this. But i'll be more excited when they get the actual dollars and start building.

I've been through several money raises at my churches (Catholic). They have all exceeded the amounts and in less time than originally projected. I don't think they will have any problem getting people to live up to their commitments. Of course conditions change for some and they can't meet their pledges, but others find out they can do more, too.

Agree, my current "pledges" for improvements to St. Francis are being billed to my CC weekly.

Hopefully, these are solid pledges. We also need to take into account that there will be more money collected than pledged. Preliminary indications are good because they feel they are ahead of what was anticipated. They want a shine & Basilica to comfortably accommodate 2,000.

My understanding was that the archdiocese's goal was to collect more than what was needed to complete this project--a necessary cushion for cost overruns.

As we've been saying, I think the term "pledge" is misleading. Unlike the usual use as a "promise", in the case of the catholic church (at least locally), when we fill out a pledge card, they start taking out the funds right away in the way you've prescribed on the card.