What an... interesting building

Basically an overgrown Milagros lol.

The pink board is now clearly sheathing that goes behind the veneer of cast stone, limestone or whatever material is being coursed over it. I fell into the same trap that I always get irritated seeing others fall into; making the assumption that a product I was seeing is the final product. It now looks like they must've applied a pink skim coat of some sort to the board. That's obviously going to be fully hidden behind the stone. Pre-judge this building at your own peril. I suspect it is going to be stunning.

The pink board is now clearly sheathing that goes behind the veneer of cast stone, limestone or whatever material is being coursed over it. I fell into the same trap that I always get irritated seeing others fall into; making the assumption that a product I was seeing is the final product. It now looks like they must've applied a pink skim coat of some sort to the board. That's obviously going to be fully hidden behind the stone. Pre-judge this building at your own peril. I suspect it is going to be stunning.
I was going to say it isn't even finished yet but then I figured I would get called for out for doing this same thing on this board which I have. I believe they will also add more buildings to the project down the road. This seems like it will be a pretty significant project in its own right.

The consistent pink skim coat really threw me off. Not sure I have seen that done on top of sheathing in that way. Could be something specific to the stone veneer. Either that or I am out of touch with construction methods, which I am, and which are always evolving.

It's interesting to see a new traditional worship style church building going up in this day and age of declining attendance for many denominations. The contrast between this going up and the old Central Presbyterian at 50th and N May getting torn down is something to think about.

Alot of the more liberal denominations are lifeless husks of what they once were.

Alot of the more liberal denominations are lifeless husks of what they once were.

Which ones?

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/religion/2021/11/23/oklahoma-city-blessed-stanley-rother-shrine-project-construction-continues/6199481001/

shows inside pictures plus the pink is going away

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/religion/2021/11/23/oklahoma-city-blessed-stanley-rother-shrine-project-construction-continues/6199481001/

shows inside pictures plus the pink is going away

Thanks Shawnw for the updates via The Oklahoman.

Rother Shrine and yet-to-be (Papal brief), Basilica updates...


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Updated pics via the Oklahoman of exterior (above) and interior (below)

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700 SE 89th Street, Oklahoma City, OK 73149

Project construction cost: $40 million



Source: Oklahoman, November 22, 2021 - visit this site, it is really impressive.

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I have been seeing this on my trips to Norman and wondered what on earth it was. Looks beautiful.

I came up I-35 from DFW on Friday around 3pm, I saw this and was amazed and had no idea what it was. Then I realilzed it was the old Lakeside Golf Course and thought I remembered something about a Catholic Church or something being built there.

It was rather impressive to look at in the few seconds I had to glimpse at 65mph.

I came up I-35 from DFW on Friday around 3pm, I saw this and was amazed and had no idea what it was. Then I realilzed it was the old Lakeside Golf Course.

Brookside GC... Lakeside GC was just north of Eastern and 27th and is now a subdivision.

What a transformation. As a young man trying to stay out of trouble I spent many hours playing the Brookside course. Not very well and with a cheap pair of clubs given to me -- was more interested in driving the golf carts around. Amazing. Thanks for the updates Pete,

^^ Whoops, oh yeah, my mistake, I meant to say Brookside. I took some lessons there years ago. It sure was a convenient place.

I was looking around the site for the construction and the renderings do not seem to have a place for an organ in the main sanctuary. Is that right?

I'm a little disappointed if there isn't going to be. I'm not Catholic so who knows if I would ever visit the place, but i'd love to see a large organ where someone can play Widor's Toccata and we could feel the Earth vibrate.

They haven't made purchases on furniture, fixtures and possibly stained glass. Not sure how ordinary or simple they plan to make this church, this will be the main body of the shrine. It will also be the largest and most expensive constructed Roman Catholic Church in the Oklahoma City Archdioceses (Includes the Dioceses of Tulsa & Little Rock).

I'm sure they will come up with an organ of some type, there are too many out there than can be refurbished and used for what will eventually become a Basilica.


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St. Thoma More (Norman) restored an organ thru a campaign back in 2019
The organ was originally in the First Presbyterian Church in Stamford, CN.

I am not sure if this was posted here yet but it is a good article that gives some cool details about this church and where it is at in terms of construction:

https://freepressokc.com/construction-continues-on-what-will-be-the-largest-catholic-church-in-okla/

I am not sure if this was posted here yet but it is a good article that gives some cool details about this church and where it is at in terms of construction:

https://freepressokc.com/construction-continues-on-what-will-be-the-largest-catholic-church-in-okla/

That is a fascinating article, I had not seen a good write-up of the full details before.

That is a fascinating article, I had not seen a good write-up of the full details before.
It really is. Free Press is a great publication. I've yet to see an in depth article like that about this project.

I was looking around the site for the construction and the renderings do not seem to have a place for an organ in the main sanctuary. Is that right?

I'm a little disappointed if there isn't going to be. I'm not Catholic so who knows if I would ever visit the place, but i'd love to see a large organ where someone can play Widor's Toccata and we could feel the Earth vibrate.

I am sure it will be first class. I go to Our Lady's Cathedral and they have a massive pipe organ. The pipes take up a 25 foot wall on both sides and the sound is amazing. I believe it cost around 400k when they installed it. It can duplicate the sound of horns that fills the church.

The plan is for the Shrine to have a pipe organ. There was some level of disappointment and consternation with the ceiling height and room for an organ, but it seems they have generally gotten past that. They have selected an organ builder, Schonenstein of the San Francisco area. I would guess the organ would be between 50 to 60 ranks in size. Not huge, but plenty big. Last I knew, no contract had been signed yet for the organ and fundraising is forthcoming. But, they certainly have every intention of having an organ. Probably not in time for dedication, though, alas.

FYI, the organ in the cathedral is not massive. It's slightly above average size. The organ to be installed at St. Thomas More in Norman is currently being rebuilt by Schantz in Ohio. It is a very historic instrument built by (arguably) the greatest American organ builder ever--Ernest M. Skinner. It's vintage is 1923 and is scheduled for installation prior to Easter. The parish raised, rather quickly, the $800,000 project cost.

On further Catholic pipe organ news...St. Mark's the Evangelist in Norman just signed a contract, also with Schantz, to restore a very historic instrument as well. This will be a massive instrument (75 or so ranks) and is planned for installation at the end of 2022. The cost for this project is $1.9MM.

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Passed thru the area Tuesday, January 23, lots of interior construction going on judging by the personal vehicles on site.

From I-35 at 89th Street, impressive glance from the expressway of this Shrine rising...


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Looks like they are already starting on the buildings to the west? Exciting project

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That would be the $5 million Pilgrim's Center.

Do you know, will this just be a basilica and a shrine or will it also be a new Cathedral for OKC?

Plans are to keep Our Lady's Cathedral as the archdioceses 'House of Catholicism' in place, however that could change. The Rother Shrine will go thru the formality of becoming a basilica.

I believe it will be all three.

Do you know, will this just be a basilica and a shrine or will it also be a new Cathedral for OKC?

The Rother Shrine (Church) then goes thru the formality of becoming a Basilica. If it later acquires the status as Cathedral, it will become a Cathedral-Basilica.

The Archdiocese of Oklahoma City the ecclesiastical province which includes the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City, the Diocese of Tulsa and the Diocese of Little Rock (Oklahoma and Arkansas).



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December 13, 1972, Pope Paul VI erected the Diocese of Tulsa (Holy Family Cathedral), taking the territory of eastern Oklahoma from the Diocese of Oklahoma City-Tulsa. He simultaneously elevated the existing diocese to a metropolitan archdiocese, changed its title to Archdiocese of Oklahoma City (Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Help), and assigned Diocese of Tulsa (Holy Family Cathedral) and the Diocese of Little Rock (Cathedral of Saint Andrew) as its suffragans. This action established both the present territory of the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City and the present configuration of the Metropolitan Province of Oklahoma City.

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Do you know, will this just be a basilica and a shrine or will it also be a new Cathedral for OKC?

This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe the shrine will eventually be named the cathedral. Our Lady of Perpetual Help is been the cathedral since 1931. It has gone through an amazing restoration. But...it is relatively small. Cathedrals hold significance because they are the "bishop's church". His chair (cathedra) is there. They are also typically the place where large diocesan events occur. In the recent past, larger events have been forced out of Our Lady's due to size. An example of that is when Archbishop Coakley, the sitting bishop, was installed, the installation was at St. John the Baptist in Edmond to accommodate the crowd. The shrine becoming the cathedral solves this. Again, this is speculation made with common sense, but the Catholic Church doesn't always operate with common sense as the primary motive.

I also think the status of basilica will eventually come, but I would be surprised if it is anytime soon. The fact that it will house the body of Blessed Stanley Rother certainly gives the shrine a head start, especially if he is canonized as a Saint in the coming years. However, most basilicas are established for many years before receiving the designation. For reference, the last few American churches to be given the title were all over 100 years old when it happened.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe the shrine will eventually be named the cathedral. Our Lady of Perpetual Help is been the cathedral since 1931. It has gone through an amazing restoration. But...it is relatively small. Cathedrals hold significance because they are the "bishop's church". His chair (cathedra) is there. They are also typically the place where large diocesan events occur. In the recent past, larger events have been forced out of Our Lady's due to size. An example of that is when Archbishop Coakley, the sitting bishop, was installed, the installation was at St. John the Baptist in Edmond to accommodate the crowd. The shrine becoming the cathedral solves this. Again, this is speculation made with common sense, but the Catholic Church doesn't always operate with common sense as the primary motive.

I also think the status of basilica will eventually come, but I would be surprised if it is anytime soon. The fact that it will house the body of Blessed Stanley Rother certainly gives the shrine a head start, especially if he is canonized as a Saint in the coming years. However, most basilicas are established for many years before receiving the designation. For reference, the last few American churches to be given the title were all over 100 years old when it happened.

This can be a complicated statement.... The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC began construction in 1920 and was finally completed in 2017. I think it became a Basilica about 30 years after it was substantially completed although it was constructed with the intent of being a Basilica from the beginning.

IIRC there was a period of time where the Archdioceses asked for naming the facility (Rother church & shrine). The name decided upon hasn't been revealed or released.

As you mentioned Fortpatches, the church was designed with Basilica specifications, it will be the final resting place for Blessed Father Stanley Rother whose remains are temporarily housed at Resurrection Cemetery.

BiliamBrasky talked about the church being used for large religious gatherings to accommodate the crowd--this 2,000 seat Basilica style church was designed do that. Whether it becomes a cathedral or a basilica first is unknown. There are Cathedral-Basilica churches in the U. S., Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis is one.

Until they reveal a name for the church within the Shrine, there will continue to be speculations.

On the Cathedral part, IDK. St. Joseph Old Cathedral use to be the main church until Our Lady's was built and became the Cathedral, Oklahoma City is now an Archdioceses with an Archbishop at the head.

IIRC there was a period of time where the Archdioceses asked for naming the facility (Rother church & shrine). The name decided upon hasn't been revealed or released.

As you mentioned Fortpatches, the church was designed with Basilica specifications, it will be the final resting place for Blessed Father Stanley Rother whose remains are temporarily housed at Resurrection Cemetery.

BiliamBrasky talked about the church being used for large religious gatherings to accommodate the crowd--this 2,000 seat Basilica style church was designed do that. Whether it becomes a cathedral or a basilica first is unknown. There are Cathedral-Basilica churches in the U. S., Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis is one.

Until they reveal a name for the church within the Shrine, there will continue to be speculations.

On the Cathedral part, IDK. St. Joseph Old Cathedral use to be the main church until Our Lady's was built and became the Cathedral, Oklahoma City is now an Archdioceses with an Archbishop at the head.

There really aren't such things as "Basilica specifications" in the Catholic sense. A church could be built in the "Roman basilica" style, but that is more architectual than religious. For example, Our Lady's Cathedral is laid out in the Roman basilica style. The religious designation requires the church be established as an important religious center in the Catholic church. Size and architecture are somewhat irrelevant. That's why such a designation will take a while. The hope is "if you build it, they will come" and the designation along with it.

I don't think that there will be a surprise coming with the name. Announcements have all referred to it as "Blessed Stanley Rother Shrine". I would expect that or some variation ("Shrine of Blessed Stanley Rother", etc.) to be the name.

This can be a complicated statement.... The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC began construction in 1920 and was finally completed in 2017. I think it became a Basilica about 30 years after it was substantially completed although it was constructed with the intent of being a Basilica from the beginning.

This is true and shows that there are no specific rules or timelines. The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception is the closest thing that we have to a national (Catholic) cathedral in the US. Though it isn't a cathedral, it serves as a place where the country's bishops often gather for national meetings. In addition, it is a national shrine. Even just thirty years after it's dedication, it was established as an important religious center and received the designation really quickly. Other churches wait much longer. We'll see about the Blessed Stanley Rother Shrine.

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Rother Shrine Dedication
Friday, November 4, 2022
Public Mass
11:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m.
700 SE 89th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73149

Difference Between Basilica and Cathedral (With Table)

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Source link: https://askanydifference.com/difference-between-basilica-and-cathedral/

What is the difference between a basilica, a cathedral, and a shrine?

Source link: https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-basilica-a-cathedral-and-a-shrine/

So Laramie, in other words, nothing except some self made rules by the Catholic leadership to divide up leadership roles.

total outsider question... as a shrine, will this place have weekly mass that is open to the public? for example, might a catholic family choose to start going here every sunday instead of the place that they are currently attending? would that scenario be classified as 'possible' but not 'probable' for the average catholic believer? just curious how this facility will function.

total outsider question... as a shrine, will this place have weekly mass that is open to the public? for example, might a catholic family choose to start going here every sunday instead of the place that they are currently attending? would that scenario be classified as 'possible' but not 'probable' for the average catholic believer? just curious how this facility will function.

yes it will have regular services ..

The south side is has a fast growing Hispanic population and Catholic churches are overflowing. This Shrine will provide for their needs. Anyone can attend. It made sense to build one huge church that can also be used for large diocesan events and also be a shrine. This will really be a great thing and not just for Hispanic Catholics.

The south side is has a fast growing Hispanic population and Catholic churches are overflowing. This Shrine will provide for their needs. Anyone can attend. It made sense to build one huge church that can also be used for large diocesan events and also be a shrine. This will really be a great thing and not just for Hispanic Catholics.

that makes sense... i wasn't aware that catholic facilities on the southside are having capacity issues, but i can see why they would.

that makes sense... i wasn't aware that catholic facilities on the southside are having capacity issues, but i can see why they would.

It's a very underserved area as far as Catholic churches are concerned, as well. The shrine will serve a very practical purpose of helping to address this problem.

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Update from News 9: https://www.news9.com/story/62204411eeaa61070eea251f/inside-the-shrine:-remembering-blessed-stanley-rother

VeloCity article:

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This is so incredible. I wish it could’ve been built closer to Capitol Hill and the river.

agree, would have been AWESOME as an inner city infill anchor landmark. However, there's already churches there and being the largest church in the state - im sure they wanted to make a statement.

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I know very very very little about the Catholic faith. Does the rock mound in the third pic represent something important, can you walk up it?

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rother041822a.jpg

Really the church should see if they can find money to buy and demolish the buildings fronting the service roads.

I know very very very little about the Catholic faith. Does the rock mound in the third pic represent something important, can you walk up it?

It was explained in the Oklahoman's article about it last Sunday that the hill is a replica of the famous Tepeyac Hill in Mexico. That hill is the site where the Aztec Juan Diego was said to have seen an apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is a brown skinned version of the Virgin Mary. People leave roses on that hill where they go to pray.

It was explained in the Oklahoman's article about it last Sunday that the hill is a replica of the famous Tepeyac Hill in Mexico. That hill is the site where the Aztec Juan Diego was said to have seen an apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is a brown skinned version of the Virgin Mary. People leave roses on that hill where they go to pray.

Thanks for the new knowledge.

Really the church should see if they can find money to buy and demolish the buildings fronting the service roads.

If you're referring to the buildings in the middle (service road entrance, left) of Pete's pic, it doesn't seem to block any view. You can see this structure from I-35; maximum visibility in Autumn. The architects IMO did an excellent job with the land utilization of this project.

If you get an opportunity to visit this site, it is impressive, you get the feel of being lured to the area from the street level. Something mysterious, yet it heightens your curiosity about this development.

^^^Oh I’m well aware but I’m saying it make the church look better if they were gone. Not that it blocks the view.

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Im curious how much of the interior work has started. I'm guessing it's still at the framing and rough-in stage?