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Urbanized
08-01-2017, 08:04 AM
^^^^^^
I read a really interesting article on this a few weeks ago: http://mentalfloss.com/article/69989/brief-history-mcdonaldland-and-toys-and-lawsuit-it-spawned


If you visited an older, well-established McDonald’s franchise during the latter part of the 1990s—specifically one of the corporation’s two-story restaurants boasting a “McDonald’s PlayLand”—you may have noticed some odd shapes and unfamiliar characters featured on the playground’s equipment. This was long before ball pits: The cornerstone of many a PlayLand (today referred to as a "PlayPlace") was a huge blue-painted tower, topped by a pod that approximated a Big Mac sandwich with painted eyes and a hat that functioned as a climb-in jail, and an assortment of individual carousel horses sporting the head of a hamburger, a Filet-O-Fish sandwich, or other colorful craniums reminiscent of shaggy pom-poms with large, soulful eyes.

These outdated PlayLands featured aspects (or integrated whole character pieces) of characters from “McDonaldland”: A mass-market television campaign, launched in 1971, that established a fictional universe which was inhabited by Ronald McDonald and his comrades. Although advertising then was chock-full of colorful characters like Ronald McDonald—this was, after all, around the time that Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble began hawking Pebbles, and the Kool-Aid man started busting through walls—concocting an entire fictional world for the purpose of selling a product was a different story. This ingeniously effective format targeted kids at a very early age, introducing them to various McDonald’s menu items with the assistance of friendly mascots beyond Ronald McDonald—a character that, according to McDonald’s, “is second only to Santa Claus in terms of [brand] recognition … 96% of all schoolchildren in the United States of America recognize Ronald.”

COOKING UP MCDONALDLAND
In 1970-71, at the behest of the McDonald’s Corporation, the advertising agency Needham, Harper & Steers created a fantastic imaginary world they dubbed McDonaldland, and a cast of characters to populate it: Officer Big Mac, Grimace (a revision of a character who was once a four-armed villain), the Hamburglar, Mayor McCheese, the [Mad] Professor, Captain Crook and, of course, Ronald McDonald. The agency generated these characters and their world out of essentially nothing, using the McDonaldland Brand Specification Manual.

THE TOYS

It’s probably no surprise that a line of toys would follow McDonald’s uber-successful ad campaign. In 1976, Remco (then a subsidiary of Azrak-Hamway International) produced a line of 6-inch-tall action figures to celebrate the iconic McDonaldland characters.

Remco was infamous for cobbling together inferior action figures in record time, but the McDonaldland action figures stood out against the company’s simple fare. The fully poseable dolls had multi-piece cloth outfits with stenciled and dyed fabric details, hard and soft plastic outfit accoutrements, and, with the exception of Grimace and Ronald, an interesting character-specific accessory. (Officer Big Mac had a badge, for example, while Mayor McCheese came with glasses and a sash.) Each toy also included a small protruding lever on its back that, when manipulated, would cause the character’s head to bob up-and-down or side-to-side (for all except Grimace). The high-quality pieces were Remco’s crowning achievement during the 1970s.

Ronald McDonald
McDonald's primary mascot, a proud inhabitant of the fantasy world of McDonaldland, Ronald was first created and portrayed by television personality Willard Scott in 1963. Scott (a local radio host who also played Bozo the Clown on WRC-TV in Washington D.C. from 1959 to 1962) performed while using the name “Ronald McDonald, the Hamburger-Happy Clown” in three television commercials.

Ronald’s Remco action figure had high-quality rooted red hair and a body with red limbs, painted red hands, non-removable oversized shoes and molded socks. He wore a yellow clown jumpsuit with red-and-white-striped sleeves and non-removable dickey that had three functional vinyl pockets, and the jumpsuit could be snapped on or removed.

Officer Big Mac
With a double-decker head based on what would one day become the most iconic fast food sandwich in history—the McDonaldland advertising campaign was established in 1971, a mere three years after the Big Mac sandwich was introduced nationally—Remco’s Officer Big Mac was dressed to resemble a member of the Keystone Cops and replicated the silent film stars’ incompetence. As McDonaldland’s Chief of Police, Officer Big Mac’s appointed task was to prevent Captain Crook and the Hamburglar from stealing Filet-O-Fish and hamburger sandwiches, respectively.

The head of the Remco action figure was rendered in a soft plastic similar to that of a squeaky toy, and came with a silver whistle; plastic belt with the “M” logo; blue overcoat with decorative silver buttons and a hemmed collar; blue pants with elastic waistband and cuffs; and a silver fabric “star” label. Although the costume was removable, the character’s shoes were not, so anyone undressing the figure would have to take care—the delicate fabric tended to snag and pull.

Captain Crook (a.k.a. The Captain)
Based on the designs of Disney’s Captain Hook from Peter Pan (1953), Captain Crook was one of the two major adversaries of McDonaldland (along with the Hamburglar), who—as a seafaring villain—was obsessed with stealing Filet-O-Fish sandwiches. Eventually, his surname was dropped, his personality mellowed, and the character became known simply as “The Captain”—like the Hamburglar, his sinister countenance was modified to make his appearance seem more kid-friendly. As was the case with many of these characters, Captain Crook was eliminated from advertisements during the 1980s when the concept of McDonaldland was streamlined.

His Remco action figure came with a soft plastic orange sword (removable); a removable bircorne pirate’s hat with golden trim and a golden C (for Captain); a coat with lace cuffs, a lace ascot, hard plastic brown epaulets, and a two-piece removable dickey; and removable breeches with cuffs and an elastic waistband. The figure has one non-removable gold earring in its right ear.

Grimace
Originally sporting four arms and designed to be an adversary of Ronald McDonald, Grimace’s initial manifestation was quite different from the sweet, child-friendly dullard we grew to love in the ‘70s and ‘80s. Renowned for beginning each sentence with the word “duh,” both versions of Grimace are quite fond of McDonald’s Triple Thick Milkshakes. The latter, friendlier form of Grimace was retained by McDonald’s even after the corporation shut down their McDonaldland advertising campaign. He stuck around for decades, until approximately 2003.

Remco’s Grimace action figure wasn’t constructed of solid plastic like the other dolls. Instead, the doll had a furred purple felt outer body, with innards similar to the polystyrene material found inside of a bean bag. Calling Remco’s Grimace an “action figure” is a bit of a stretch, since the toy had very limited poseability: His arms and hands were flaps of furred purple felt, while his hard-plastic purple feet allowed him to stand. Even his expression—rendered by hard plastic eyebrows, eyes, and a mouth—was immobile.

Hamburglar
Initially called “The Lone Jogger,” the Hamburgular’s personality traits and design changed quite a bit over the course of the three decades during which he existed (like Grimace, he was retired in 2003). Originally, this character was a truly frightening scoundrel with stringy grey hair and a menacing black mask and cape; McDonald’s decided to soften the character’s disposition in order to make his personality more palatable for children. Throughout the years, however, the essence of McDonaldland’s preeminent villain remained the same: a compulsive criminal obsessed with burgling hamburgers.

With his mischievous grin, pair of prominent, rat-like central incisors, short stature, pointed nose, and peculiar clothing, the Hamburglar action figure’s early design sold quite well for Remco. The figure wore a removable striped convict outfit, polka-dotted plastic tie, and soft plastic hat brim (the top of his hat was molded atop his head, and the thin, round, plastic brim slid around it). In the early 1970s, the Hamburglar’s characteristic speech patterns were absolutely unintelligible to anyone but Captain Crook, who was kind enough to translate for the inhabitants of McDonaldland. Eventually, the Hamburglar would issue forth an occasional exclamation of “Robble, robble!”

The Professor
Originally known as the “Mad” Professor, in early appearances the character rarely spoke and functioned as a second-tier, background personality. Later in the McDonaldland campaign (around 1973 to 1975), the bearded and bespectacled Professor appeared more often and spoke in a high-pitched, excitable, academic manner about his latest zany invention—usually a device created to preserve the well-being of the good citizens of McDonaldland.

In the 1970s, the character appeared as a prototypical absent-minded scientist (note the two pairs of glasses molded onto the action figure’s head; one pair he wears, while the other is balanced on his forehead). He sported long, thinning gray hair with a full gray beard, and wore a long white lab coat featuring pockets bursting with tools and implements. The lab coat has two front pockets that could indeed hold items, but instead (to save money on tooling and plastic) the toy company decided to create thin fabric stickers with two-dimensional images of tools, which were factory-applied to draw attention to these bulging pockets. The action figure came with a silver wrench and a removable, two-piece red scarf.

In the 1980s, the Professor’s physical appearance was entirely reconfigured into a much sweeter, more kid-friendly scientist. Slightly balding with short white hair, a Franz Joseph-style beard, and black glasses worn over a pair of excited bright eyes, the newer Professor was largely unrecognizable from his previously established version of the 1970s.

Mayor McCheese
The iconic Mayor McCheese, who had a cheeseburger as a head, functioned as the unequivocally incompetent head of McDonaldland’s government. Regardless of which actor provided his voice in the McDonaldland commercials, the superbly quirky delivery for Mayor McCheese was directly based upon the late comedian Ed Wynn, who provided the voice for the Mad Hatter in Disney's Alice in Wonderland.

The Remco Mayor McCheese doll comes complete with a bevy of impressive accessories, including removable yellow pince nez glasses; a removable purple sash emblazoned with the letter M; a fuschia tuxedo jacket with soft white plastic lapels; a removable soft white plastic flower with faux pearl; and a pinstripe sleeveless tuxedo jumpsuit with attached yellow vest.

THE PLAYSET

To complement these seven figures, Remco also made a superbly detailed McDonaldland playset, which even came with its own stationery (above). “Welcome to the fun and excitement of McDonaldland,” the back of the box read. “There’s so much to do”:

"The gathering place for Ronald McDonald and all the McDonaldland characters. Take a ride on the colorful wind up train featuring a Locomotive, Passenger Car and a Hamburglar Paddy Wagon, also seven pieces of track and a Stop-N-Go Signal Switch. Play with the swing on the enchanting Apple Pie Tree. Cross the Filet-O-Fish Lake via the Golden Arches Bridge. Put Ronald on stilts for real clown fun. Serve a tray with McDonald’s hamburger and drink at the famous McDonald’s Family Restaurant. All this on a 28 ½” x 30” Playland surface enhanced by an 11” colorful backdrop. Words for the ‘McFavorite Clown Song’ are printed on the play surface. Special McDonald’s Letterland Stationery included for personal messages. All plastic parts molded of strong, safe, non-toxic materials. Surely THE fun place to be.”

Today, it’s nearly impossible to find this playset unbroken, intact, and complete with all of its many delicate pieces and parts that were prominently featured in McDonald’s advertising campaign.

Compare Remco’s playset to the corporate image of the real-world fantasyland as built by Needham, Harper & Steers and taken from the McDonaldland Specification Manual. Remco’s set is astonishingly well-rendered.

THE LAWSUITS
It didn't take long for McDonaldland to come under attack. Mayor McCheese possessed a number of similarities to another personality created by producers Sid and Marty Krofft: H.R. Pufnstuf, who featured prominently on Saturday morning lineups from 1969 to 1973. Both McCheese and Pufnstuf were rendered as live-action, life-sized puppets with ridiculously large heads, and both had mayoral sashes as heads of their respective governments. (And while McCheese had an M or "mayor" written on his sash, Pufnstuf had a medal which hung down from the cummerbund and said "mayor.")

The similarities didn’t end with the characters. Just as Mayor McCheese lived in McDonaldland, H.R. Pufnstuf inhabited his own imaginary realm, Living Island. Both fantasylands were comprised of similarly-rendered “magical” creatures, buildings, and backgrounds—which made sense, since Sid and Marty Krofft had been consulted by Needham, Harper & Steers before they landed the McDonald's account. According to the Krofft's lawsuit,

"In early 1970, Marty Krofft ... was contacted by an executive from Needham, Harper & Steers, Inc., an advertising agency. He was told that Needham was attempting to get the advertising account of McDonald's hamburger restaurant chain and wanted to base a proposed campaign to McDonald's on the H. R. Pufnstuf characters. The executive wanted to know whether the Kroffts would be interested in working with Needham on a project of this type.

Needham and the Kroffts were in contact by telephone six or seven more times. By a letter dated August 31, 1970, Needham stated it was going forward with the idea of a McDonaldland advertising campaign based on the H. R. Pufnstuf series. It acknowledged the need to pay the Kroffts a fee for preparing artistic designs and engineering plans. Shortly thereafter, Marty Krofft telephoned Needham only to be told that the advertising campaign had been cancelled."

Unbeknownst to them, Needham had won the McDonald’s contract and was hiring former employees of the Kroffts, including their main voice actor.

So in 1971, the Kroffts, believing that McDonald’s characters were based directly upon their own life-sized puppets, engaged in a series of legal battles with the McDonald’s corporation. In the midst of the conflict—a full five years after the Kroffts began pursuing litigation—Remco was asked to produce the fully-licensed toys for McDonald’s in 1976.

After a six-year battle, the courts ruled in the Kroffts’ favor. In Sid & Marty Krofft Television Productions Inc. v. McDonald's Corp., the plaintiffs proved copyright infringement, showing: a) their ownership of [the] copyrighted work, b) the circumstantial evidence of access to work, and c) that there was a substantial similarity in both idea and expression. “We do not believe that the ordinary reasonable person, let alone a child, viewing these works will even notice that Pufnstuf is wearing a cummerbund while Mayor McCheese is wearing a diplomat’s sash,” the appeals court stated. Predicting the defendant’s appeal based upon the “Look and Feel” defense, the court concluded that McDonald’s had unjustly utilized the “total concept and feel” of the Krofts’ H.R. Pufnstuf program. McDonald’s was required to cease production of (many of) the characters and stop airing television commercials featuring the denizens of McDonaldland. They were also ordered to pay the Kroffts more than $1 million: $6000 for each commercial, $5000 for each promotional item, and $500 for other infringing acts.

Although some of these characters have been gone for nearly 40 years, the action figures survive as collectibles, making regular appearances on eBay. But what happened to the characters? A few years ago, I posed this question to McDonald’s then-Media Center Contact/Corporate Communications and Social Responsibility Team leader, Julie Pottebaum. Here—verbatim—was her reply: “Mayor McCheese and his friends are indeed alive and well, enjoying life in McDonaldland. Ronald McDonald has taken over the mayor’s responsibilities since being appointed Chief Happiness Officer. Ronald McDonald remains front and center, and he reminds us of the kid that lives in all of us.”

Urbanized
08-01-2017, 08:14 AM
I'd actually suggest clicking the link as the pictures are a blast from the past.

jerrywall
08-01-2017, 09:20 AM
My father worked most of his career at McDonald's. The corporate office gave me a full set of beany babies in 2001 when my first son was born as a baby shower gift, and between my parents and I we have almost every happy meal toy produced from the early 80's to 2005. We also have a good collection of the Remco figures. My mother has a large china cabinet full of them and the happy meal toys displayed in her living room.

At one point my parents even had a McDonald's Conversion Van. Very similar to this one except my parents' had a rotational tv antenna on top, and the wheels had golden arches on them. http://classicvehicleslist.com/ford/141784-1986-ford-e150-econoline-mcdonalds-van-conversion-only-68569-miles.html

I basically grew up at McDonald's as I would spend my out of school days there camped out, and spent most of my time reading the Guide to Operations. I pretty much had everything memorized when I started working there at 16.

turnpup
08-01-2017, 10:19 AM
I'd actually suggest clicking the link as the pictures are a blast from the past.

Thanks for sharing that! I'd completely forgotten about the McDonaldland stuff. Is it just me, or do those action figures seem kind of creepy now?

traxx
08-01-2017, 02:40 PM
I loved crawling around in Mayor McCheese's head and seeing how fast we could get the merry go round going. The hard metal toys that would knock you silly. The paper thin astro turf that radiated heat. It was all my parents could do to get me to eat all my burger before going to play. Good times, man. Good times.

jerrywall
08-01-2017, 03:08 PM
I loved crawling around in Mayor McCheese's head and seeing how fast we could get the merry go round going. The hard metal toys that would knock you silly. The paper thin astro turf that radiated heat. It was all my parents could do to get me to eat all my burger before going to play. Good times, man. Good times.

Between the McDonald's playland equipment and the rocketship at Stephenson Park in Edmond I honestly don't know how there wasn't an epidemic of tetanus when I was a kid.

whorton
10-31-2017, 01:56 PM
Pete,
Thanks for answering a long time question that I have had about Shakey's and the quality of their food as served today.

Shakey's Pizza in OKC was one of those stand out places from my youth, (Early 60's) and we attended the South Western location regularly. It was quite the event back then. The atmosphere was unique and exciting, and the pizza was, and still is in my mind the standard by which I measure all others. I was quite disappointed in the mid 80's when the profit absorbed owner decided he could do just as well without the Shakey's brand. Needless to say, for a number of reasons, the stores were doomed in short order. (The one in Del City became Round up Pizza and was even featured on a very negative television show!)

Even though there are some decent pizza's to be had, the whole going out for Pizza experience seems to have died about that time. I found a recent article on Retro Ramblings which documents much of the loss with Pizza Hut.

http://retroramblings.com/pizza-hut/

SOONER8693
10-31-2017, 03:18 PM
Pete,
Thanks for answering a long time question that I have had about Shakey's and the quality of their food as served today.

Shakey's Pizza in OKC was one of those stand out places from my youth, (Early 60's) and we attended the South Western location regularly. It was quite the event back then. The atmosphere was unique and exciting, and the pizza was, and still is in my mind the standard by which I measure all others. I was quite disappointed in the mid 80's when the profit absorbed owner decided he could do just as well without the Shakey's brand. Needless to say, for a number of reasons, the stores were doomed in short order. (The one in Del City became Round up Pizza and was even featured on a very negative television show!)

Even though there are some decent pizza's to be had, the whole going out for Pizza experience seems to have died about that time. I found a recent article on Retro Ramblings which documents much of the loss with Pizza Hut.

http://retroramblings.com/pizza-hut/
Could you tell me exactly where the Shakey's on South Western was located, please?

BlackmoreRulz
10-31-2017, 07:46 PM
About 56th or 57th, on the west side of Western

SOONER8693
10-31-2017, 07:56 PM
About 56th or 57th, on the west side of Western
Thank you.

Martin
10-31-2017, 08:18 PM
i was curious myself and looked it up... according to a 1978 ad in the oklahoman, that shakey's was at 5733 s. western where autozone is now.

Urbanized
11-01-2017, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the Pizza Hut link. I grew up in Wichita, where Pizza Hut was founded, and when I lived there the HQ was still located there. This was shortly after they sold to PepsiCo to form what was at the time Tricon (Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, KFC), and what is now I think called Yum (some brands like Long John Silvers and A&W have come and gone since).

Anyway in Wichita during my high school years (early-mid 80s) pretty much everyone I knew worked or had worked there at some point. I worked in the oldest store in existence in the world. It was far from being the original Pizza Hut, but it was part of the first wave of the type of stores pictured in that link, and looked pretty much EXACTLY like what is in those photos. Talk about a blast from the past. And that blog is right; it was definitely more of a restaurant experience, including servers rather than counter service. Also, at one point we even served wine.

Roger S
11-01-2017, 10:10 AM
^^^

Oh how many times my sister and I annoyed my mother singing "Putt putt too the Pizza Hut" over and over any time we were driving to Hutch.... Whether we were going to the Pizza Hut or not.... lol

Urbanized
11-01-2017, 10:12 AM
By the way, for those waxing nostalgic about Shakey’s (we had them in Wichita too and I also loved that place), there is a reproduction of a Shakey’s interior inside the banjo museum in Bricktown. The reason being is that the museum credits Shakey’s with a revival of the banjo that continued even after the chain’s demise and even to the present day. It’s cool, but somewhat cruel in that there is everything there but actual pizza.

ctchandler
11-01-2017, 10:22 PM
I preferred Pizza Planet over Pizza Hut. Of course my favorite was and still is Sussy's. I hope it does well in Bricktown. As for Shakey's we really enjoyed their Portugese linguica topping. I don't know if anybody has mentioned it, but Shakey's is still alive in California.
C. T.

RadicalModerate
11-03-2017, 02:31 PM
With the recent "frakkn'" earthquakes in mind . . . perhaps a redux of "Shakey's Pizza" here in OK is overdue? (Shakey's--at least the one up by May and The Expressway--wuz good. It wasn't The Wedge or Element (MN) good. It was just really good. And the burgers at The (real) Split-T were too. Coit's? Good root beer. Not as good as A&W . . . Still, good

SoonerDave
11-03-2017, 03:23 PM
With the recent "frakkn'" earthquakes in mind . . . perhaps a redux of "Shakey's Pizza" here in OK is overdue? (Shakey's--at least the one up by May and The Expressway--wuz good. It wasn't The Wedge or Element (MN) good. It was just really good. And the burgers at The (real) Split-T were too. Coit's? Good root beer. Not as good as A&W . . . Still, good

Shakey's was a kid favorite of mine, and we frequented the location near my grandmother over on S. Western around 56th. Even though I was a little kid at the time, I have a fairly vivid memory of them putting me on one of the tables and dancing to one of their player pianos, and they gave me one of their hats, just all kinds of fun. I distinctly remember their pepperoni pizza having a wonderful and distinctive flavor that I've *never* again encountered. I was always fascinated by their blue-and-red-keyed player pianos, the hardwood tables, and the jugs/pitchers of soft drink they'd bring to your table. And I loved the colored "bottle-glass" door on the front - something I think the nasty remaining holdout from those surviving old Shakey's buildings actually retained (RoundUp in MWC on 29th).

I remember Split-T being an event, although we didn't go there often. The hickory burgers were awesome. And we never made a trip near 50th and Portland without stopping for a rootbeer - and there was always something about Coit's root beer I liked better than A&W's. Can't tell you why, but I did, and I still miss treating myself to a Coit's chili cheese dog. Does their foodtruck serve those?

Sadly, my very last memories of Split-T were a bit sad - it had been closed for a time, then someone reopened it around 1999 with, I think, grand aspirations of fixing it up, getting it back to some measure of its former self, but I think soon in they realized they'd bitten off more than they could chew. I worked in an office building near there at that time, and we'd go over there for lunch once in a great while, but it was deserted; it seemed two guys ran the whole thing, and parts of it clearly weren't even used anymore. Parts of it were in really poor repair. I was always surprised to see it was still open and operating when we'd go by - and then, finally, it was gone.

Here's a curve ball for the ol' memory department....There was a really good BBQ place on SW 29th called "Han's BBQ", and I have fleeting memories of it being one of the first places I'd had (or at least remember having) a chopped BBQ sandwich...and it was really good. The sauce had a real zing to it; not really heavy or sweet, just really good.

But for me, the granddaddy of all "missed places" for eating will be Glen's HikRy Inn on NW 12th. We used to go to Sunday "SMOR*GAS*BORD" after church, but once in a while we'd go there for a fancy family dinner night on a Friday. I still remember the rich aroma of hickory-cooked steaks permeating the dining area, just fostering your anticipation for the arrival of your own. Blueberry muffins were the appetizer, and you'd always look on the little service board near the pit for your waitress' number to light up. I always thought it was be THE impressive place to take a young lady on a date when I got to that age, but by the time that era of my life rolled around, Glen's was, sadly already gone. Wonderful place.

Martin
11-03-2017, 03:36 PM
Here's a curve ball for the ol' memory department....There was a really good BBQ place on SW 29th called "Han's BBQ", and I have fleeting memories of it being one of the first places I'd had (or at least remember having) a chopped BBQ sandwich...and it was really good. The sauce had a real zing to it; not really heavy or sweet, just really good.


unless there was more than one han's, the only one i remember (in the mid to late 80's) was on nw 10th. i want to say they were on ne 23rd before moving there but that would've been way before my time.

RadicalModerate
11-03-2017, 04:56 PM
unless there was more than one han's, the only one i remember (in the mid to late 80's) was on nw 10th. i want to say they were on ne 23rd before moving there but that would've been way before my time.

I wasn't borned and raised here neither . . . yet I still remember how good the Han's BBQ on The 23 was (before it became a suburb of The Tower Theater District). =~) The one on the West Side was just as good . . . yet didn't celebrate diversity quite so much. =~)

ctchandler
11-03-2017, 10:07 PM
unless there was more than one han's, the only one i remember (in the mid to late 80's) was on nw 10th. i want to say they were on ne 23rd before moving there but that would've been way before my time.

Martin,
I only remember the one on 10th street and I'm 74 years old. That doesn't mean there wasn't other Han's but I don't know of any.
C. T.

SoonerDave
11-04-2017, 07:32 AM
I was totally skewed by a mile, folks. You guys are absolutely right about where Hans was...just got my streets confused. Many apologies.

Martin
11-04-2017, 08:03 AM
don't sweat it... i was just wondering if there was another han's that i'd never heard about.

RadicalModerate
11-04-2017, 08:21 AM
I just had an old place pop into my head: "Shipman's Cafe" I think the location we usually went to when visiting down here was on S. Robinson. They were famous for their chicken and their endless "biscuits" that were actually more like rolls. I was just a kid but I remember going there as a real treat. So maybe it WAS as good as I thought it was. Although the other, more modern location--on Reno?--that I visited perhaps a decade or two later wasn't quite the same.

Urbanized
11-04-2017, 08:52 AM
Seems like it has been mostly settled, but just to chime in, Han’s BBQ without question was located at NW 10th and Tulsa in a building which still exists, now home to a Mexican restaurant called Cocino Marin. Visited there many times with my dad as a kid. On one memorable visit we were seated next to Cecil Samara and his family. For a ten-ish year old OU fan in the seventies that was almost as cool as sitting next to Barry Switzer.

Urbanized
11-04-2017, 09:04 AM
About Hans: http://newsok.com/city-barbecue-landmark-closing/article/2335720

RadicalModerate
11-04-2017, 10:36 AM
^ Thanks for that, Urbanized. It's hard to believe that a guy from Norway could create BBQ that was Nationally Recognized. I'll just say this one more time: There was definitely a Han's BBQ location, still operating, on the south side of NE 23, perhaps in the vicinity of Eastern, sometime in the early '60s. It might have been one of the "various locations" mentioned in the article and it was the one that introduced me to an appreciation of good BBQ, c/o my Oklahoma born and raised grandparents, that continues to this very day. I guess it was just that good. (the place wasn't far from Swick Auto Supply and some Motor Rewinding Shop. granddad was an old school auto mechanic. who appreciated good BBQ).

RadicalModerate
11-04-2017, 10:52 AM
Here's a defunct place to consider: The old-style A&W just west of and in the shadow of Persimmon Hill next to the old highway. It's distinctive architecture, including proper placement of a simple structure, nestled under some native trees, with room for a couple of picnic tables was delightful. The root beer was excellent. The choices of Papa, Mama, Teen and Baby Burgers was amazing. It was good. Gratitude always leads to Happiness. Or so it is said. Persimmon Hill was so nice that they built a Cowboy Hall of Fame on it.

Urbanized
11-04-2017, 02:16 PM
^ Thanks for that, Urbanized. It's hard to believe that a guy from Norway could create BBQ that was Nationally Recognized. I'll just say this one more time: There was definitely a Han's BBQ location, still operating, on the south side of NE 23, perhaps in the vicinity of Eastern, sometime in the early '60s. It might have been one of the "various locations" mentioned in the article and it was the one that introduced me to an appreciation of good BBQ, c/o my Oklahoma born and raised grandparents, that continues to this very day. I guess it was just that good. (the place wasn't far from Swick Auto Supply and some Motor Rewinding Shop. granddad was an old school auto mechanic. who appreciated good BBQ).
Yes I won’t argue, as I read in several online stories about Hans that the 10th street location was not the first one. I just know from personal experience that in the 70s-80s and until closing in 1990 it was in that building at 10th and Tulsa.

Bits_Of_Real_Panther
11-04-2017, 05:38 PM
I remember going to Punch and Janie's about 20 years ago, is that place still around. Seems like it was a converted house with some people still living in part of the building.

Martin
11-04-2017, 08:10 PM
There was definitely a Han's BBQ location, still operating, on the south side of NE 23, perhaps in the vicinity of Eastern, sometime in the early '60s. It might have been one of the "various locations" mentioned in the article and it was the one that introduced me to an appreciation of good BBQ, c/o my Oklahoma born and raised grandparents, that continues to this very day.

absolutely true... talked to my mom about this today and it was on the southside of ne 23rd just west of eastern... i'm gonna guess ne 23rd & hood because she said it was across the street from a restaurant owned by a greek named pappas. mom graduated from northeast in '61 and remembers selling ads in the school newspaper to hans... she says could always count on him buying an ad and thought it was due to the fact that her dad was off-the-boat swedish to hans being from norway.

Urbanized
11-05-2017, 08:34 AM
^^^^^^^^^
Interesting...my maternal grandfather - before buying 80 acres at NW 150th and Santa Fe in the 30s - owned a home just north of 21st on Jordan, which is three blocks west of Hood. He had moved from Wisconsin and was half Swede and half Norwegian. Obviously that is now almost exclusively an African American neighborhood now, but these coincidences make me wonder if there was a Scandinavian community concentrated there at one point. Also makes my wonder if my grandfather knew Hans. It was my father (other side of my tree) who took me to the place on 10th for bbq.

ctchandler
11-12-2017, 10:21 PM
I was a doubter about Han's, but I searched the DOK archives and found the following. They were in the 1700 block of N. E. 23rd. It surprises me, I'm one of the older folks here and have eaten at Han's since the 60's, but didn't know about the one on 23rd.
C. T.

p.s. I said "found the following", but I can't seem to upload it. Oh well, what I said was correct.

bluedogok
11-13-2017, 12:37 AM
I worked at Han's in the late 70's, the NW 10th & Tulsa location we the only one. The 23rd street location was prior to the 10th location. She was ready to turn it over to a family member but some thing happened which caused her to not pass it on.

ctchandler
11-13-2017, 10:36 AM
I worked at Han's in the late 70's, the NW 10th & Tulsa location we the only one. The 23rd street location was prior to the 10th location. She was ready to turn it over to a family member but some thing happened which caused her to not pass it on.

That really makes sense. I worked near N. E. 23rd (between 40th and 45th and Lincoln Blvd) for about eleven years and when we wanted Han's barbecue, we drove to N. W. 10th street. If it had been open on 23rd, we wouldn't have driven all the way to 10th and Tulsa.
C. T.

hannahk
03-12-2019, 04:00 PM
charcoal oven?, shotgun sams, zieder zee?, the cafeteria that had the big fountain, johnnies hamburgers in el reno.....the family style chicken place. cant remember the name..i was a little kid in the 60's. the pizza wasnt as good as pizza from italy i have eaten as an adult. the fish at der dutchmen wasnt as good as fresh out of the pacific but we didnt know any better. any of the old cafeterias were better than eating at a fast food place today. in fact i dont remember eating at a mcdonalds in the 60's? there was a wendy's on 39th and meridian? there was a place on 39th that had 'curly fries'.

i think these old unique places were/are better than the homogenous plastic places today.

whorton
04-15-2020, 05:30 AM
I thought the original place at the top was the Chandel club. Vaguely remember going there once about '67 or '68, whenever it opened. Given my age at the time, (about 7 or 8) I remember nothing about the food . . . Only the rotating floor.

whorton
04-15-2020, 06:38 AM
i was curious myself and looked it up... according to a 1978 ad in the oklahoman, that shakey's was at 5733 s. western where autozone is now.

Yes, that is it. . . They had torn down the old Shakeys many years ago. . .

whorton
04-15-2020, 06:49 AM
Your comment:

"Shakey's was a kid favorite of mine, and we frequented the location near my grandmother over on S. Western around 56th. Even though I was a little kid at the time, I have a fairly vivid memory of them putting me on one of the tables and dancing to one of their player pianos, and they gave me one of their hats, just all kinds of fun. I distinctly remember their pepperoni pizza having a wonderful and distinctive flavor that I've *never* again encountered."

Hit home. . That is exactly what I remember. I found a guy recently (2020) who lives near an open Shakey's. He says it has not changed, but I have my doubts. . . The original Shakey's had a very unique taste .

Pete
04-15-2020, 07:31 AM
^

There are still Shakey's in California, but in all my time there I never went in. Were very different than what I remembered and focused heavily on buffets.

There was one on NW 39th west of Meridian and we'd often go there after Putnam City football games; the piano player would play our fight song.

They had those long tables and benches and the workers wore straw (really styrofoam) hats. They'd give kids the hats too; maybe for birthdays? Tons and tons of little league parties there.

It was one of the very first pizza franchises along with Pizza Hut which started a bit later. And in Oklahoma, Shotgun Sam's was the other big place to go.

Great memories.

mugofbeer
04-15-2020, 03:43 PM
Shotgun Sams

Holloways Hamburgers on 23rd St.

Split-T

Hollies Drive-In

A&W Root Beer 23rd and Meridian

Casa Bonita

I can't think of the name of the place just east of May Ave. on 10th, north side of the street.

Nicolosi's Italian on W 10th.

Delores Restaurant on 23rd east of Broadway.

Kips Big Boy on May Ave.

Other things;

Didn't like it but the smell of packing town with a south wind

Loved the sound of the stock car races at the fairgrounds

Hearing Charlie 89er (l think that was his name) blow his bugle at the games then shoot his shotgun. Shooting his shotgun for every run scored.

The old black guy who sold beer at the 89er games, "beah, getcha beah heah!" Him telling all the little kids, "you can't have no beer. We'll get you buttermilk!"

Smelling the dirt laid fresh on the baseball field in high school the first days of spring practice.

Smelling the burning brush from grassfires around during the spring.

Martin
04-15-2020, 04:06 PM
Hearing Charlie 89er (l think that was his name) blow his bugle at the games then shoot his shotgun. Shooting his shotgun for every run scored.

he was abner 89er!

rezman
04-15-2020, 05:11 PM
I can't think of the name of the place just east of May Ave. on 10th, north side of the street.

Glen’s Hick’ry Inn

Bill Robertson
04-15-2020, 06:04 PM
Of mugofbeer’s list I worked at Glen’s and Casa Bonita. I lived 4 blocks from Shotgun Sam’s and 6 blocks from Kip’s. I spent a lot of time in all 4 and thought they were all AMAZING. I really wonder if I’d think so now or if was just a 60s - 70s thing.

Jeepnokc
04-15-2020, 06:51 PM
Pagoda Chinese Food. Was on north side of 36th around shartel. I just remember it being the best chinese I have ever had at the time

mugofbeer
04-15-2020, 06:56 PM
he was abner 89er!

Abner 89er, that's right! We lived close enough to hear the booms.

ctchandler
04-15-2020, 09:15 PM
Add to the list, J. and R.'s Chicken Ranch on N. W. 10th about a mile West of Nicolosi's.
C. T.

Jami
12-13-2020, 06:11 PM
Food joints I miss, Norman/OKC:

Piggy’s BBQ (Down from Spaghetti Warehouse)
Pinocchio’s (Lindsey St., Norman)
Neptune’s Subs (Lindsey St, Norman)
Tony’s Burgers (Lindsey St, Norman)

Entertainment I miss, Norman:

Cinema East Theater (Alameda & East 12th, Norman)
Shooter’s Pool Hall (Main St, Norman)
Arcades (Sooner and Crossroads Mall)
Concerts at Lloyd Noble