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Mott
06-30-2019, 09:39 PM
Why not have the builder of OKC’s streetcars restore it for our system,
https://www.brookvillecorp.com/streetcar-restoration.asp

Mel
06-30-2019, 10:22 PM
Food Trolley.

Laramie
06-30-2019, 10:35 PM
Why not have the builder of OKC’s streetcars restore it for our system,
https://www.brookvillecorp.com/streetcar-restoration.asp

Do they still have parts around for what would be a classic trolley...

d-usa
06-30-2019, 10:40 PM
I’m sure it would be a giant pain to convert it to run on the new track (if even at all possible), but that would be a great sight.

mugofbeer
07-01-2019, 01:31 AM
All everything takes is money, but another option is the little train museum off NE 36th.

baralheia
07-01-2019, 02:40 PM
Do they still have parts around for what would be a classic trolley...

Very generally, parts for something like that would have to be machined for it. But it's far from impossible to restore something like that to working order... all it takes is money.

warreng88
08-28-2019, 08:21 AM
Pete, have you heard, what, if anything, is going to happen with this building due to Farmers Bank's current and ongoing issues?

Pete
08-28-2019, 08:38 AM
Pete, have you heard, what, if anything, is going to happen with this building due to Farmers Bank's current and ongoing issues?

The new owner moved his loan out of Farmers a while ago.

But as far as I know, absolutely nothing is happening here. I suspect the owner will ultimately flip the property.

PhiAlpha
08-28-2019, 09:55 AM
The new owner moved his loan out of Farmers a while ago.

But as far as I know, absolutely nothing is happening here. I suspect the owner will ultimately flip the property.

That's what I've heard they are looking to do.

LocoAko
10-24-2019, 10:02 AM
Sounds like there was a (presumably small?) fire there this morning. https://www.koco.com/article/crews-battle-fire-at-old-spaghetti-warehouse-building-in-downtown-okc/29575271?utm_campaign=KOCO&utm_content=5db1bc8534909c00018bd463&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29

Pete
10-24-2019, 10:03 AM
Cold and nasty weather. Bet it was homeless trying to stay warm and dry.

Look like there wasn't much damage.

Pete
05-04-2022, 08:22 AM
With Rodizio Grill coming to Bricktown and several other big renovations and openings, this building still sits conspicuously vacant right in the middle of the district.

Is going to look even worse when the new Marriott Renaissance opens right across the street.

With all the money being spent on many other surrounding properties, it's upsetting to see this place just sit there with high-visible and ugly boarded-up windows.

This property was purchased five years ago. The local owner needs to either find tenants or sell to someone more ambitious.

ManAboutTown
05-04-2022, 09:35 AM
With Rodizio Grill coming to Bricktown and several other big renovations and openings, this building still sits conspicuously vacant right in the middle of the district.

Is going to look even worse when the new Marriott Renaissance opens right across the street.

With all the money being spent on many other surrounding properties, it's upsetting to see this place just sit there with high-visible and ugly boarded-up windows.

This property was purchased five years ago. The local owner needs to either find tenants or sell to someone more ambitious.

I totally agree. It's hard to believe that this building sits undeveloped and unimproved almost 40 years after Bricktown became a vision for Oklahoma City. It's an eyesore and a travesty.

soonerguru
05-04-2022, 11:04 AM
With Rodizio Grill coming to Bricktown and several other big renovations and openings, this building still sits conspicuously vacant right in the middle of the district.

Is going to look even worse when the new Marriott Renaissance opens right across the street.

With all the money being spent on many other surrounding properties, it's upsetting to see this place just sit there with high-visible and ugly boarded-up windows.

This property was purchased five years ago. The local owner needs to either find tenants or sell to someone more ambitious.

Who is the owner?

Pete
05-04-2022, 11:22 AM
^

Sam Coury a/k/a Carol Hefner's father.

soonerguru
05-04-2022, 08:48 PM
Hmm. OK

Here, he is discussing his "plans" for the building. FOUR YEARS AGO. He also brags that he has the money to renovate it. So what's the hold up?

https://journalrecord.com/2018/08/09/coury-reveals-emerging-plan-for-spaghetti-warehouse-building/

Roger S
05-05-2022, 11:54 AM
Ate at a Rodizio Grill in Fort Collins a couple of years ago... It was good but Texas de Brazil is the better Churrascaria in my opinion...... And I still think Fogo de Chao is the best but doubt we ever get one here.

Pete
10-20-2022, 06:07 PM
"Finally! The neglected Spaghetti Warehouse building in the heart of Bricktown has been pried out of the evil hands of dastardly out-of-state owners. With local ownership, NOW we're going to see something!!"

That was five years ago with scores of big projects happening all around and that building still sits there, completely empty with boarded-up windows at street level right in the middle of Bricktown, with nothing at all in the works.

The city was all gung-ho to put the clamps to the owners before it sold, now there isn't even a peep about Sam Coury doing absolutely nothing other than replacing windows on the upper floors. The old Spaghetti Warehouse sign is still at the top of the upper east side although the only part that lights up says 'SPAGHE'.

Bowser214
10-20-2022, 06:50 PM
awful

ABryant
10-20-2022, 08:15 PM
I guess yo can be Batman for a day

ABryant
10-20-2022, 08:18 PM
I mean, why the heck did they dislike Dick Grayson?

soonerguru
10-20-2022, 08:26 PM
"Finally! The neglected Spaghetti Warehouse building in the heart of Bricktown has been pried out of the evil hands of dastardly out-of-state owners. With local ownership, NOW we're going to see something!!"

That was five years ago with scores of big projects happening all around and that building still sits there, completely empty with boarded-up windows at street level right in the middle of Bricktown, with nothing at all in the works.

The city was all gung-ho to put the clamps to the owners before it sold, now there isn't even a peep about Sam Coury doing absolutely nothing other than replacing windows on the upper floors. The old Spaghetti Warehouse sign is still at the top of the upper east side although the only part that lights up says 'SPAGHE'.

OKC is super weird in this way. I'm sure stuff like this happens everywhere but it seems almost like the norm here. Like I said, super weird. I would hope our city would have higher standards and expectations at this point.

I don't have the money to buy these buildings and renovate them, so, I'm sure my opinion is totally invalidated by the powers that be, but I wouldn't even buy this building unless I intended to do something with it.

People who buy these treasures and do nothing with them are a scourge to our city.

bombermwc
10-21-2022, 07:38 AM
Well if you didn't see things happen before, hold on to your horses, because with interest rates going up you really aren't going to see anything now. There's also no longer that push to live so close to downtown in a post-COVID world.

Rover
10-21-2022, 08:37 AM
"Finally! The neglected Spaghetti Warehouse building in the heart of Bricktown has been pried out of the evil hands of dastardly out-of-state owners. With local ownership, NOW we're going to see something!!"

That was five years ago with scores of big projects happening all around and that building still sits there, completely empty with boarded-up windows at street level right in the middle of Bricktown, with nothing at all in the works.

The city was all gung-ho to put the clamps to the owners before it sold, now there isn't even a peep about Sam Coury doing absolutely nothing other than replacing windows on the upper floors. The old Spaghetti Warehouse sign is still at the top of the upper east side although the only part that lights up says 'SPAGHE'.
This should have been a surprise to no one. It was an overreach and speculation all along. May be hard to get it to sell for a fair price.

Pete
10-21-2022, 08:49 AM
The Oklahoman is constantly portraying out-of-town owners as some sort of evil boogeymen while local owners and developers are all altruistic saints.

They kept playing this card with First National even though it had been under local ownership for a long time before it fell into ruin. And then ultimately, it was a developer and his money from out-of-state that bought and renovated the entire complex.

Now, they are taking the same approach, blaming out-of-staters for rising home and rental costs.

All this is beyond ironic since their own company is a part of a huge out-of-state conglomerate and even many of their 'local' stories are written by regional reporters not based in OKC.


It's lazy, inaccurate and unethical. Where is the criticism of the owner of this property or Rick Dowell for sitting on a completely empty building in the middle of downtown for more than 3 decades? Why do they fail to mention that any out-of-state purchase comes from locals selling and making big profits?

All that publication does is run 'stories' that are nothing more than press releases they print without any sort of research or questioning. They are a pawn used and easily manipulated by local brokerage firms and developers for their propaganda.

It should be obvious that money coming into Oklahoma from elsewhere is a generally a huge benefit to the state and its citizens.

Paseofreak
10-21-2022, 10:23 PM
Lackmeyer. No bueno. Although I don't envy his position. Relevance can be bought by saying the right thing for the powerful or speaking the powerful truth. One is easy and one is hard. Sadly, neither one pays very well.

bombermwc
10-24-2022, 08:56 AM
All of Bricktown has had a failure to create space much above ground level in a LOT of the buildings. But because we see activity at street level, we call it "ok". Think about how many upper floors in so many of these buildings are still vacant. Do you need a storage room for your building, the size of an entire floor plate? No. But they also didn't plan for access to those floors when they rehabed the things. Only a few actually did this properly. I'd say, we have a lot of owners that we really should have been pushing to "finish" out their purchases for decades. The Warehouse is just one of them.

Pete
10-24-2022, 09:03 AM
^

What you described is not nearly as common as it was just 5-10 years ago.

The Spaghetti Warehouse building is the largest example but it would be nice if they would at least have something at street level.

Pete
09-19-2023, 08:52 AM
I noticed this building has a new listing agent.

Still asking $8.5 million for a property they bought six years ago for $3.8 million.

Urbanized
09-19-2023, 08:58 AM
In fairness the project in which they un-bricked window openings and replaced with period-appropriate double-hung windows likely cost well over a million dollars, but yeah, it’s way over-priced. I know two VERY legitimate developers who made strong runs at it, and they couldn’t justify getting anywhere near his price floor.

warreng88
09-19-2023, 09:04 AM
What do you think it would cost to finish it out?

Urbanized
09-19-2023, 09:10 AM
You’d have to start with some major floor replacement/repairs, which I don’t believe have been done but can’t swear to it. I haven’t been inside in quite a while.

sroberts24
09-19-2023, 09:11 AM
Think this would be a great location for a boutique hotel like Graduate. Obviously Graduate hotels are near colleges but something like that. I’m not too familiar with some of the boutique brands out there. Also no clue if it could even be converted to a hotel.

Pete
09-19-2023, 09:16 AM
You’d have to start with some major floor replacement/repairs, which I don’t believe have been done but can’t swear to it. I haven’t been inside in quite a while.

I don't believe they have done anything to the inside and it's an absolute disaster.

Even the finished-out Spaghetti Warehouse space was so bad they just closed shop. The rest of the floors have been vacant for a very long time, there has been a lot of water damage and a huge mess left by pigeons (and probably rodents).

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/sw011018j.jpg

warreng88
09-19-2023, 09:16 AM
Pete beat me to it...

Pete
09-19-2023, 09:28 AM
Although the new windows look great, they've done nothing to replace the storefronts or doors at ground level and it looks pretty terrible.

Also, the windows on the highly visible west side ground floor are still bricked in.

To anyone walking by in Bricktown, that building is still an eyesore.

Urbanized
09-19-2023, 09:34 AM
Certainly wasn’t defending the stewardship of the building; only pointing out that there was a bit more tied up in it now than the one-dimensional sale price mentioned.

chssooner
09-19-2023, 09:47 AM
This and the Co-op site are proof that local ownership isn't always good. Now we are stuck with eyesores that the owners think are pots of gold, and priced as such.

onthestrip
09-19-2023, 10:23 AM
I noticed this building has a new listing agent.

Still asking $8.5 million for a property they bought six years ago for $3.8 million.

Prediction: A buyer comes and pays at or close to the asking price and the Alliance hands out a couple million dollar TIF to them, mostly all to benefit the speculator owner.

citywokchinesefood
09-19-2023, 01:24 PM
The Oklahoman is constantly portraying out-of-town owners as some sort of evil boogeymen while local owners and developers are all altruistic saints.

It's lazy, inaccurate and unethical.

This sounds a lot like Steve Lackmeyer to me.