"The light rail connection to the airport would follow a relatively simple path along Reno Avenue from downtown and then along Meridian Avenue to the airport. The exact termination spot at the airport will be determined later but will be targeted to go as close as possible to the terminal. "

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/06/27/okc-will-rogers-airport-light-rail-transit-may-be-on-2025-ballot/74209729007/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2tVLvZKRCGXkQ93DlpRjna Yxe8_WrCUPBC5eeOFSw5Ag74yf8nbs2h0fM_aem_LQM0t3oPzU c7t-oYPvOWJA

I posted this a couple of weeks ago and it shows the overall plan for both light rail and BRT:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/brt060324a.jpg

I just hope they can get some federal funding to help with this. It will be an expensive project, albeit a needed one.

I'm curious how the light rail will interact with Reno and Meridian. Are the tracks on the street? Are lanes reduced to allow space for light rail specific track? Is it similar speeds to the streetcar?

The article estimates $125 million/mile for light rail. With a 9 mile route, that's over a billion $$$ for just the airport line.

Personally, I see the value. But "pay $1 billion for a traing that takes an hour* to get from downtown to the airport" seems like a tough sell to taxpayers in Edmond/Norman.

(*I don't know the exact time estimates for this approach)

The city's about to make the exact same huge routing mistake they made with the (basically useless) streetcar. This route is more expensive and less functional than taking the railroad tracks up Newcastle Rd. and straight into downtown. If this gets built, the bad route will result in low ridership that will hamper future prospective mass rail transit just like the streetcar boondoggle has.

I wonder what their rationale is for this route. Perhaps there's some huge detail here that I'm missing (or maybe I'm just a curmudgeon).

The city's about to make the exact same huge routing mistake they made with the (basically useless) streetcar. This route is more expensive and less functional than taking the railroad tracks up Newcastle Rd. and straight into downtown. If this gets built, the bad route will result in low ridership that will hamper future prospective mass rail transit just like the streetcar boondoggle has.

I wonder what their rationale is for this route. Perhaps there's some huge detail here that I'm missing (or maybe I'm just a curmudgeon).

Likely trying to connect the stretch of hotels on Meridian to the airport. To me though, if you're staying in hotels in that block of the city you're likely going to need a car to do anything else.

The city's about to make the exact same huge routing mistake they made with the (basically useless) streetcar. This route is more expensive and less functional than taking the railroad tracks up Newcastle Rd. and straight into downtown. If this gets built, the bad route will result in low ridership that will hamper future prospective mass rail transit just like the streetcar boondoggle has.

I wonder what their rationale is for this route. Perhaps there's some huge detail here that I'm missing (or maybe I'm just a curmudgeon).

This!!

The city's about to make the exact same huge routing mistake they made with the (basically useless) streetcar. This route is more expensive and less functional than taking the railroad tracks up Newcastle Rd. and straight into downtown. If this gets built, the bad route will result in low ridership that will hamper future prospective mass rail transit just like the streetcar boondoggle has.

I wonder what their rationale is for this route. Perhaps there's some huge detail here that I'm missing (or maybe I'm just a curmudgeon).

It makes sense when you think about it. I have no inside scoop or anything, but here's my thoughts: Routing the Airport line this way takes advantage of two other activity centers that can help drive ridership on this line, as I imagine airport traffic alone will not be enough to justify the expense. Those two activity centers are the Meridian Ave Hospitality Corridor and the Fairgrounds. As long as the RTA is careful about keeping the number of intermediate stops low so that trip times to the airport are reasonable, this should help ensure there is sufficient ridership to maintain the line - and it gives both airport arrivals and visitors staying in the hotels on Meridian easy access to downtown and the rest of the transit network. It'd also help funnel traffic to and from the airport during big events like the State Fair, etc.

It makes sense when you think about it. I have no inside scoop or anything, but here's my thoughts: Routing the Airport line this way takes advantage of two other activity centers that can help drive ridership on this line, as I imagine airport traffic alone will not be enough to justify the expense. Those two activity centers are the Meridian Ave Hospitality Corridor and the Fairgrounds. As long as the RTA is careful about keeping the number of intermediate stops low so that trip times to the airport are reasonable, this should help ensure there is sufficient ridership to maintain the line - and it gives both airport arrivals and visitors staying in the hotels on Meridian easy access to downtown and the rest of the transit network. It'd also help funnel traffic to and from the airport during big events like the State Fair, etc.

routing it that way makes it not a reasonable time to go to the airport .. so very very few will use it to go there at all ..

... It'd also help funnel traffic to and from the airport during big events like the State Fair, etc.

People fly in for the State Fair? Really? We live at 36th/May and we won't even drive to it, we have so little interest in it.

It makes sense when you think about it. I have no inside scoop or anything, but here's my thoughts: Routing the Airport line this way takes advantage of two other activity centers that can help drive ridership on this line, as I imagine airport traffic alone will not be enough to justify the expense. Those two activity centers are the Meridian Ave Hospitality Corridor and the Fairgrounds. As long as the RTA is careful about keeping the number of intermediate stops low so that trip times to the airport are reasonable, this should help ensure there is sufficient ridership to maintain the line - and it gives both airport arrivals and visitors staying in the hotels on Meridian easy access to downtown and the rest of the transit network. It'd also help funnel traffic to and from the airport during big events like the State Fair, etc.

Stops at Santa Fe Hub, Fairgrounds, Meridian Hotels (maybe 2 stops), WRWA Rental Car and WRWA terminal would be the most reasonable.

Stops at Santa Fe Hub, Fairgrounds, Meridian Hotels (maybe 2 stops), WRWA Rental Car and WRWA terminal would be the most reasonable.

No stop for Mathis Bros.? :)

Stops at Santa Fe Hub, Fairgrounds, Meridian Hotels (maybe 2 stops), WRWA Rental Car and WRWA terminal would be the most reasonable.

that is 45 min to an hour from down town to the airport ..

uber is 16 min ...

that won't get used ..

45 minutes?? How slow do you think the train is going? 10 MPH?

10 miles of track with 11 stops on the Chicago ME line takes 25 minutes.

45 minutes?? How slow do you think the train is going? 10 MPH?

Looking forward to our horse drawn-trains.

that is 45 min to an hour from down town to the airport ..

uber is 16 min ...

that won't get used ..

I just flew last week and Uber was quoting me $45 for a ride from downtown to the airport, so even if it was 45 minutes (which is not accurate) I'd happily use that over a $90 roundtrip.

45 minutes?? How slow do you think the train is going? 10 MPH?

with no stops the light rail from sante fe station to the airport on the route is 30 min ... this thread is talking about 5 stops on the route .. 2-3 min a stop you are getting close to 45 with no traffic .. (and there will be traffic) ..

that is the point .. and why this choice over heavy rail is so so poor ..

I just flew last week and Uber was quoting me $45 for a ride from downtown to the airport, so even if it was 45 minutes (which is not accurate) I'd happily use that over a $90 roundtrip.

i took an uber to the airport the other day from North edmond and it was 37 dollars .. so I don't know where your price is from ..

I just flew last week and Uber was quoting me $45 for a ride from downtown to the airport, so even if it was 45 minutes (which is not accurate) I'd happily use that over a $90 roundtrip.

please explain how this will be less then 45 min ?

People fly in for the State Fair? Really? We live at 36th/May and we won't even drive to it, we have so little interest in it.
Yeah, they actually do a lot, but it's all like Ag, livestock convention stuff, like "American Association of ______ Breeders"

Also yeah I will absolutely a train to the airport, for real, and MAN what an awful place to be introduced to OKC, it's the literal worst part of town, in like so many ways, just miserable unshaded, not walkable, very run down, very broken and dated and terrible. It's really like the source of pretty much all mega bad opinions of our city from Visitors, I just can't even fathom being stuck somewhere like that on a trip.

..and MAN what an awful place to be introduced to OKC, it's the literal worst part of town, in like so many ways, just miserable unshaded, not walkable, very run down, very broken and dated and terrible. It's really like the source of pretty much all mega bad opinions of our city from Visitors, I just can't even fathom being stuck somewhere like that on a trip.

Having stayed at many of the hotels off Meridian for business travel, I agree that it desperately needs some sprucing up. It's a particularly ugly part of town.

..and MAN what an awful place to be introduced to OKC, it's the literal worst part of town, in like so many ways, just miserable unshaded, not walkable, very run down, very broken and dated and terrible. It's really like the source of pretty much all mega bad opinions of our city from Visitors, I just can't even fathom being stuck somewhere like that on a trip.

Having stayed at many of the hotels off Meridian for business, I agree that it desperately needs some sprucing up. It's a particularly ugly part of town. The vast majority of the city in general needs to really invest in making itself look a bit nicer.

i took an uber to the airport the other day from North edmond and it was 37 dollars .. so I don't know where your price is from ..

Doesn't Uber use dynamic pricing unlike a taxi that has set pricing based on mileage?

Yeah, they actually do a lot, but it's all like Ag, livestock convention stuff, like "American Association of ______ Breeders"
...

Makes sense, hadn't thought of that set of folks, thought it was mainly horse/livestock shows where they had to drive with a big trailer attached with their horses/livestock, and the regular fair. Didn't know there were convention-type things held there without animals...

No stop for Mathis Bros.? :)

Why a stop at the rental car facility? There is already a free bus from the airport and very few people traveling by rail to the airport are going to stop to rent a car.

Im kinda curious. Why don’t they choose a route that goes through the neighborhoods on the south side with a stop at OCCC then the airport. It would actually get heavy use instead of just a tourist light rail line. Maybe they could even have it go through down downtown and stop at the capitol and OU.

Im kinda curious. Why don’t they choose a route that goes through the neighborhoods on the south side with a stop at OCCC then the airport. It would actually get heavy use instead of just a tourist light rail line. Maybe they could even have it go through down downtown and stop at the capitol and OU.

This to me makes the most sense. In many other cities the rail to and from the airport is not some sort of an express route but more a part of the local transit system. If timing and speed is your number one priority in OKC a private car service is going to beat any public transit ever and will continue to do so for the next 50 years. For the vast majority of cities in the US that is the case. It is the nature of the beast, we have a huge amount of land area to cover and most of our cities were not built when walking was the primary method of transportation. The line that has been purposed should have 2 regular stops and a seasonal stop. The seasonal stop would be a the fairgrounds, and the regular stops would be at the meridian hotels and the airport itself.

People fly in for the State Fair? Really? We live at 36th/May and we won't even drive to it, we have so little interest in it.

A lot of people who travel in for events at the Fairgrounds tend to stay at those hotels, from my understanding - but I think very few fly in. Still tho, the idea is if someone wanted to stay at the Meridian Ave hotels (regardless of how they got there) then they'd have easy access to the Fairgrounds via transit.

Also I just re-read what you quoted and I'm an idiot, I mistyped the first time. Instead of saying "to and from the Airport", I meant "to and from the Fairgrounds". Apologies.

routing it that way makes it not a reasonable time to go to the airport .. so very very few will use it to go there at all ..

By car that exact route (from the Santa Fe Hub streetcar station to the Airport via Reno then Meridian, just under 10 miles) takes just about 20 minutes, per Google Maps. Add a few minutes per each intermediate stop, and that's still well within a reasonable timeframe for transit from downtown. Of course that will vary somewhat depending on which type of vehicle they select, but even so, that passes the sniff test for me. I really don't believe it will be a problem.


with no stops the light rail from sante fe station to the airport on the route is 30 min ... this thread is talking about 5 stops on the route .. 2-3 min a stop you are getting close to 45 with no traffic .. (and there will be traffic) ..

You're thinking about this all wrong. What I've proposed is 4 stops in total - the originating stop in downtown where you'd board this service, then one stop at the Fairgrounds, one stop at roughly SW 15th & Meridian, then the end of the line at the airport. Only the two intermediate stops affect overall travel time.

Though looking at the map, an argument could be made to add a stop near Reno & Klein to serve the Farmer's Market district - especially if trains only stopped at the Fairgrounds stop during special events.

By car that exact route (from the Santa Fe Hub streetcar station to the Airport via Reno then Meridian, just under 10 miles) takes just about 20 minutes, per Google Maps..

it is 27 min right now (941am) ....at 4:40 am it might be 20 ..... at 8 am that route is over 30 ... and again that is with NO stops ..

it is 27 min right now (941am) ....at 4:40 am it might be 20 ..... at 8 am that route is over 30 ... and again that is with NO stops ..

One factor in timing is if it will have a dedicated traffic lane or if it will need to be a part of current traffic flow like the downtown streetcar.

One factor in timing is if it will have a dedicated traffic lane or if it will need to be a part of current traffic flow like the downtown streetcar.

for sure a dedicated lane would change my thoughts completely ....

for sure a dedicated lane would change my thoughts completely ....

My assumption is it won't be a streetcar because in the stuff I've seen so far, they keep calling it a "light rail" line and not a streetcar. If my assumption ends up being correct, then that would have it's own dedicated right of way. But that said, I'm not certain that my assumption here is correct - and even as a streetcar I'd still advocate for the specific intermediate stops I've mentioned previously. The airport line doesn't need to be the absolute fastest way to the airport for it to still be worth the investment and also be useful to the community at large - as long as the travel time is still reasonable.

my thought is transit should beneft the local populous FIRST. light rail should be added where cost effective, to connect the city to its infrastructure/attractions, such as the airport. And it should run down newcastle, with a stop at Stockyards City and perhaps somehow integrate capital hill and the FAA. 3 stops, not 5,7,9,??

we can build separate infrastructure for the hotels and fairgrounds, or let the private sector do it. The new West BRT should be good enough, I'm not seeing why the need for a light rail route that way ALSO. ...

I just don't see a good argument for stopping anywhere other than the Fairgrounds. There is no way that the Meridian Hotels will provide the ridership necessary to justify, they would already have a combined shuttle line if it was really that valuable to those hotels. I do not think the city should be particularly concerned with connecting those hotels to downtown or even the fair grounds. I'd be okay with the city running a survey for patrons of the hotel and try and collect some info to try and divine ridership likelihood.

Otherwise, if the land/hotel owners are committed to re-framing the area and want to raise and invest about $300M worth of improvements for the area's walkability, general beauty, and baseline viability as a passable urban area, then we can talk. Until then, I'm very serious when I say it's not worth losing a single minute on the route schedule to stop there.

I just don't see a good argument for stopping anywhere other than the Fairgrounds. There is no way that the Meridian Hotels will provide the ridership necessary to justify, they would already have a combined shuttle line if it was really that valuable to those hotels. I do not think the city should be particularly concerned with connecting those hotels to downtown or even the fair grounds. I'd be okay with the city running a survey for patrons of the hotel and try and collect some info to try and divine ridership likelihood.

Otherwise, if the land/hotel owners are committed to re-framing the area and want to raise and invest about $300M worth of improvements for the area's walkability, general beauty, and baseline viability as a passable urban area, then we can talk. Until then, I'm very serious when I say it's not worth losing a single minute on the route schedule to stop there.

Fixed-guideway transit is important for moving people, but also to incentivize economic development. I'm firmly of the mind that a line to the airport does not make financial sense if it relies on airport riders alone - there will never be enough pax to support the line in that scenario. We already know the hotels on Meridian are quite busy. Adding a stop near the river at SW 15th and Meridian helps incentivize ridership on the system - both to the Fairgrounds and the wider city beyond - because there is already *some* walkable infrastructure there, and having a stop there would encourage more walkable development. It would also tie in with the river trails network too. An easy win. A stop at the Fairgrounds - even if it were only open for special events - would be another easy win, drawing riders both from the Meridian Ave hotels and from the rest of the city too, allowing car-free access to the Fair and other events. And additionally, a stop near the Farmer's Market district would help that district continue to grow and revitalize itself, as well as provide easier access during events; if you've ever attended a show or event at the Farmer's Market, you know how awful the parking situation is there. This would also provide incentive to grow housing in this area too due to it's proximity to the transit network. Another easy win.

Make the line to the airport as quick as possible while bringing the greatest possible value to the transit network overall through a few strategically located intermediate stops. That's how you ensure success of this proposed service IMO.

I'm curious how the light rail will interact with Reno and Meridian. Are the tracks on the street? Are lanes reduced to allow space for light rail specific track? Is it similar speeds to the streetcar?

The article estimates $125 million/mile for light rail. With a 9 mile route, that's over a billion $$$ for just the airport line.

Personally, I see the value. But "pay $1 billion for a traing that takes an hour* to get from downtown to the airport" seems like a tough sell to taxpayers in Edmond/Norman.

(*I don't know the exact time estimates for this approach)

I am 100% hard core pro mass transit, especially rail, but putting this rail line on the the street would be an incredible waste of money. We don't have enough transit dollars to spend them on projects people won't use. A train that runs as slow as a bus, should just be a bus. Somehow this country needs to learn how to build heavy rail again.

One factor in timing is if it will have a dedicated traffic lane or if it will need to be a part of current traffic flow like the downtown streetcar.

If it isn't seperated from traffic, it should just be a high frequency bus. There is no point in spending $1B laying track to create train route that has all of the downsides of a bus and none of the pros of a train.

Fixed-guideway transit is important for moving people, but also to incentivize economic development. I'm firmly of the mind that a line to the airport does not make financial sense if it relies on airport riders alone - there will never be enough pax to support the line in that scenario. We already know the hotels on Meridian are quite busy. Adding a stop near the river at SW 15th and Meridian helps incentivize ridership on the system - both to the Fairgrounds and the wider city beyond - because there is already *some* walkable infrastructure there, and having a stop there would encourage more walkable development. It would also tie in with the river trails network too. An easy win. A stop at the Fairgrounds - even if it were only open for special events - would be another easy win, drawing riders both from the Meridian Ave hotels and from the rest of the city too, allowing car-free access to the Fair and other events. And additionally, a stop near the Farmer's Market district would help that district continue to grow and revitalize itself, as well as provide easier access during events; if you've ever attended a show or event at the Farmer's Market, you know how awful the parking situation is there. This would also provide incentive to grow housing in this area too due to it's proximity to the transit network. Another easy win.

Make the line to the airport as quick as possible while bringing the greatest possible value to the transit network overall through a few strategically located intermediate stops. That's how you ensure success of this proposed service IMO.
This is all exactly right. Also, stops in the suggested locations would place a massive number of OKCs hotel rooms within just a few blocks of stops on this line, plus the airport, downtown and the fairgrounds, all major draws for visitors to this city. It makes a tremendous amount of sense for people utilizing any two of the destinations, and there is so much overlap that many will use multiple stops.

It also provides a connection between the fairgrounds and diwntown, plus Meridian hotels and downtown. Tons of economic development bang for the buck.

Plus, everything I am hearing is that the intention is that this line would have dedicated ROW. True light rail, NOT streetcar.

I just don't see a good argument for stopping anywhere other than the Fairgrounds. There is no way that the Meridian Hotels will provide the ridership necessary to justify, they would already have a combined shuttle line if it was really that valuable to those hotels. I do not think the city should be particularly concerned with connecting those hotels to downtown or even the fair grounds. I'd be okay with the city running a survey for patrons of the hotel and try and collect some info to try and divine ridership likelihood.

Otherwise, if the land/hotel owners are committed to re-framing the area and want to raise and invest about $300M worth of improvements for the area's walkability, general beauty, and baseline viability as a passable urban area, then we can talk. Until then, I'm very serious when I say it's not worth losing a single minute on the route schedule to stop there.

No way that a rail line with no local ridership would ever make sense. The blue line from ORD to downtown Chicago and the orange line from Midway to downtown Chicago both have numerous local stops, and the majority of the traffic on them is not to/from the airports. They are also grade separated heavy rail and have short stop times.

Plus, everything I am hearing is that the intention is that this line would have dedicated ROW. True light rail, NOT streetcar.

That's great to hear. Just having a hard time imagining what that looks like on that route, especially the downtown Reno and then the Meridian stretch.

I like the idea of the dedicated ROW for the line out to the airport, I just have to wonder how it fits in to the existing land around Reno and Meridian to and from the airport.

No way that a rail line with no local ridership would ever make sense. The blue line from ORD to downtown Chicago and the orange line from Midway to downtown Chicago both have numerous local stops, and the majority of the traffic on them is not to/from the airports. They are also grade separated heavy rail and have short stop times.

Actually, they're not heavy rail, they're part of the L system. Metra is the heavy rail there.

Actually, they're not heavy rail, they're part of the L system. Metra is the heavy rail there.

the L is a type of Heavy Rail

https://ggwash.org/view/71583/light-rail-heavy-rail-subway-rail-transit-modes-fall-on-a-continuum


Subways: Systems like the New York Subway and the Chicago L are a type of heavy rail. While these types of service are certainly regional in nature, they often serve only the central municipality and not surrounding jurisdictions. Stop spacing is fairly close and speeds are slower than more regional-type services. The defining characteristic of this subset of heavy rail is that ridership is based on walk-to riders rather than drive-to riders.

the L is a type of Heavy Rail

https://ggwash.org/view/71583/light-rail-heavy-rail-subway-rail-transit-modes-fall-on-a-continuum

Apparently there are tons of definitions/categories of rail, which I didn't realize, it's kind of insane. And the definitions can apparently differ by city or country, so yeah, the L is a kind of heavy rail, but I have to say that it's not usually what's thought of when you hear "heavy rail".

Generally, heavy rail has dedicated ROW and higher capacity, i.e. longer trains used over longer distances. Light rail can have dedicated ROW, but it typically is designed to easily integrate into at-grade, mixed traffic with tram-like vehicles, which means the trains are narrower and shorter but also able to stop more frequently, so can be useful for more local routes. Heavy rail is used for local routes as well in denser parts of cities but really it boils down to whether it’s designed to integrate into existing traffic networks or if it is designed to have its own dedicated route.

There’s more technical distinctions than what I described, but that’s basically how I’ve trained (no pun intended) my brain to think about it.

Apparently there are tons of definitions/categories of rail, which I didn't realize, it's kind of insane. And the definitions can apparently differ by city or country, so yeah, the L is a kind of heavy rail, but I have to say that it's not usually what's thought of when you hear "heavy rail".

Yeah, I didn't used to realize subways were considered heavy rail until I was reading a lot about Marta in ATL a few years back. When you compare them to true light rail, though, it makes sense.

https://x.com/davidfholt/status/1811761750326317131


Our Rapid line up Classen and Northwest Expressway has welcomed 250,000 riders in its first seven months! Clearly, this new service fills a need. Hopefully you’ve checked it out. If not, join your neighbors and give it a try.

250k riders so far on the BRT line, so an average of a bit more than a thousand riders a day? Seems pretty successful.

Im surprised it's that low actually. With our capacity, that's about 14 round trips per day.

I think it will take a bit of time for people to trust and actively rely on the service. I have had employees in the past that utilized the old regular bus system, and it was incredibly inconsistent for them. If they consistently do a good job with the service the ridership will grow, and more services will be developed around the system naturally.

I noticed that these slides from the 2023 June update hasn't been shared here. It has the proposed stations listed. I'm not sure how official these are or if they are only proposals.
North Edmond Station
Downtown Edmond Station
JKT Station
63rd St Station
North OKC Station
Santa Fe Depot
29st Station
Tecumseh Rd Station
Downtown Norman Station
OU Special Event Station
South Norman Station

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19223


See June 2023 Update presentation (https://www.rtaok.org/about-us/document-library/#presentations)

I'm not a transit planner but it seems very strange not to have a stop between 63rd and the JKT. Britton makes the most sense with the existing and hopefully future density there. I'm also amazed that there is no stop listed between South 29th and the city of Norman? That is really a very long distance. There should at least be a stop by I-240 and probably one in Moore also.

I'm not a transit planner but it seems very strange not to have a stop between 63rd and the JKT. Britton makes the most sense with the existing and hopefully future density there. I'm also amazed that there is no stop listed between South 29th and the city of Norman? That is really a very long distance. There should at least be a stop by I-240 and probably one in Moore also.

I agree. A stop at Crossroads could lead to some big time Oak style redevelopment in the future.

And Moore pulled out of the RTA so no stops there.

I agree. A stop at Crossroads could lead to some big time Oak style redevelopment in the future.

And Moore pulled out of the RTA so no stops there.

Crossroads has some of the worst demographics in the city, unfortunately. I don't think we will see any quality developments there for a long, long time. And it will take a ton of OKC and state subsidies.

But an RTA stop will be a great first step!

Pretty sure Moore backed out of the RTA and so won't get a stop

Areas with more challenging demographics should actually be prioritized for connections. This is public transit after all and should be accessible to people that need said transit. I would imagine there are more people without access to reliable personal transportation in the Crossroads area than in almost any other along that entire route. And come to think of it, the Britton area as well.

I agree. A stop at Crossroads could lead to some big time Oak style redevelopment in the future.

And Moore pulled out of the RTA so no stops there.
There is no way the area at Crossroads would support an Oaks level of development. Maybe a cheaper alternative with apartments and shops, but not the same quaity level.

There is no way the area at Crossroads would support an Oaks level of development. Maybe a cheaper alternative with apartments and shops, but not the same quaity level.

Thank you captain obvious and thank you for clarifying!!!! Oh geez, what could be with millions of dollars of public infrastructure and subsidies!!! We are better off subsidizing memorial and downtown. Sarcasam

Pretty sure Moore backed out of the RTA and so won't get a stop

Good memory Cinnamonjock!

City of Moore withdraws from Regional Transit Authority: Oklahoma City Free Press - https://freepressokc.com/city-of-moore-withdraws-from-regional-transportation-authority/