First look at proposed Marriott Renaissance hotel in Bricktown (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=363-First-look-at-proposed-Marriott-Renaissance-hotel-in-Bricktown)

Plans have been submitted for a 10-story Marriott Renaissance hotel at the southeast corner of Sheridan & Oklahoma in the heart of Bricktown.


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The hotel is proposed with 182 guest rooms and 120,714 square feet.

Tulsa hotelier Andy Patel bought the .4177 acres for $2 million in 2014 and originally proposed a Canopy hotel before the Hilton brand decided on a location in east Bricktown instead.

ADG is the architect and the Bricktown Urban Design Committee will review the design in their March meeting.


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Don Karchmer has also proposed a large parking structure (http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=41653&p=930118#post930118) directly to the west, which almost certainly would be required in order to accommodate hotel guests. You can see the proposed garage to the right in the renderings.


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Pete,
From what you're hearing, will this officially spearhead movement on the parking garage project? Kind of thought plans would've been submitted at or around the same time as the hotel since the added parking will be needed. Had also heard that the plans were going to be downsized somewhat (watered down), hope that's not the case. Either way, hotel looks solid!

Yes, I believe the garage will now start to move forward as well.

BTW, this will likely be a full-service hotel as opposed to all the others in Bricktown which are limited service.

And, I believe the existing Marriott Renaissance in the CBD is going to lose it's flag and/or be switched to something else.

Side question: Limited service vs Full Service?

Renderings look good.

I wonder if this means Karchmer will build his BT garage like originally planned with the 16000+ sq ft of retail, or if that will go to the wayside.

Generally speaking full service hotels have full restaurants and bars (not just breakfast buffets and snacks), often larger spas and/or work-out facilities, a concierge, etc.

Looks great! I especially like that it doesn't have the overplayed, unvaried strip of EIFS at the top.

Thank goodness for glass instead of EIFS.

Will the CBD Renaissance become a different brand?

I hope this design is the one that gets built. It would be a fantastic addition to that corner.

I believe the developer is ready to go and I'm sure the design will meet approval outside of small adjustments.

I like it.

Boy that looks fantastic, will completely change the overall feel of that part of Bricktown

Boy that looks fantastic, will completely change the overall feel of that part of Bricktown

That, plus the Karchmer garage on the large vacant lot to the west and everything that is happening in East Bricktown means that Sheridan will become a pretty dense corridor all through Bricktown.

Boy that looks fantastic, will completely change the overall feel of that part of Bricktown

Yep. If this is built along with the garage and if the cummins bldg ever gets built, plus Steelyard and AC Hotel, Sheridan Ave will be almost entirely filled in.

really adds the density needed desperately in that area. Love it!.. looks fantastic.

I love it! As KayneMo stated, it's so nice to see a proposal without the EIFS at the top. And the glass is a nice, different touch. Just fantastic and will really change the feel right there.

Beautiful! This is wonderful.

I hope this goes up as rendered, because it looks simply fantastic.

And speaking of the rendering, notice that streetcar in it. No way the route wasn't part of the calculus for this development.

Yes, I believe the garage will now start to move forwards as well.

BTW, this will likely be a full-service hotel as opposed to all the others in Bricktown which are limited service.

And, I believe the existing Marriott Renaissance in the CBD is going to lose it's flag and/or be switched to something else.
The owners are looking at an upscale Westin after a complete remodel in 2018-19.

I think this is a beautiful rendering and hope it doesn't have to be redone a bunch like the AC. The location is probably my favorite in Bricktown because it's just so damn close to the canal. Only bummer will be traffic on that corner is already bad on the weekend nights, this will probably make it crazier.

So would we have two Renaissance hotels within three blocks of each other? How does that work?

So would we have two Renaissance hotels within three blocks of each other? How does that work?

The older one will be re-branded.

Makes sense.

I love how the rendering shows the Streetcar in it.

I too hope this project gets built as shown here... That design is gorgeous while still fitting into the character of the district, imo. I hope that the BUDC doesn't give them a lot of hassle like they did for the AC Hotel.

I noticed on the rendering showing the garage it has what looks like the beginning text of "The M..." I can only assume this could be Melting Pot, therefore - maybe they have shown interest in moving to brand new space in the parking garage once built?

I noticed on the rendering showing the garage it has what looks like the beginning text of "The M..." I can only assume this could be Melting Pot, therefore - maybe they have shown interest in moving to brand new space in the parking garage once built?

I think it stands for "The Market"

You're right. The rendering for the garage back in the day had that name on the building.

Agree with everyone else; really nice design. Hope it doesn't get changed. And I love the density that it adds.

I'm sure Chelinos is thrilled about that parking garage...

Where can I find more info on this parking structure? Will there be street level retail?

I'm sure Chelinos is thrilled about that parking garage...

Haha this was actually discussed in the garage thread, and IIRC people were excited because it might force Chelino's to reorient their space to have the front entrance on the canal side.


Where can I find more info on this parking structure? Will there be street level retail?

Link to the thread: http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=41653

But yes! 16,000 sq ft facing Sheridan along the length of the garage.

Haha this was actually discussed in the garage thread, and IIRC people were excited because it might force Chelino's to reorient their space to have the front entrance on the canal side.



Link to the thread: http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=41653

But yes! 16,000 sq ft facing Sheridan along the length of the garage.

Awesome! Thanks. Hope this gets built.

I'm sure Chelinos is thrilled about that parking garage...

Maybe this development will cause Chelino's to enhance their canal presence...

Haha this was actually discussed in the garage thread, and IIRC people were excited because it might force Chelino's to reorient their space to have the front entrance on the canal side.


Maybe this development will cause Chelino's to enhance their canal presence...

Let's hope so!

Welcome to the streetcar era, OKC. This is going to be fun.

Absolutely gorgeous design.

Great development 'as is' if it meets the final design; it definitely reflects & complements BRICKTOWN!

Streetcar route's already paying dividends.

Very excited about this and the garage! Two questions for anyone who might know:

Has there been any movement on the Spaghetti Warehouse building? I'm sure another restaurant will go in at some point, but it would be amazing to see the top four floors renovated into apartments.

Also, is there any kind of plan to streetscape Sheridan between the railroad and Joe Carter Ave? That entire stretch could use new lane lines and possibly some reconfiguring to make it more pedestrian friendly. Honestly it could also stand to be re-paved as well, though I have no idea how that would work when we're actively putting streetcar rails into the current pavement.

Either way, this development is fantastic for the district and the city! Sheridan Ave is quickly becoming a fantastic Main Street for Bricktown.

Looks fantastic! This seems like a home run!

This has to be a first for OKC TALK. A new project design with only positive comments so far. :D

Well I wish it were higher! ;)

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-citys-bricktown-set-to-get-its-first-full-service-hotel/article/5537401

http://newsok.com/change-is-only-certainty-ahead-for-oklahoma-citys-downtown-renaissance-hotel/article/5537402

Noticed in the uncropped version of the hotel, it also shows Spaghetti Warehouse with windows that aren't bricked up.

Just some personal observations...

I'm concerned for the existing Renaissance. There is absolutely no comparison between a 25 floor hotel attached to a convention/arena space, and a small hotel like this in bricktown. It's great to have it here and all, but if i have a choice between the two, i think i'll take the existing tower. How often does a hotel change flags from the original one, and it end up being a good thing? My concern is that it would be the start of a downward spiral for the existing hotel. At only 17 years old, it's a baby. Not too many people realize that the meeting space in the Cox Center is coordinated with the hotel as well. So when my previous employer rented room space during a tradeshow, we did our business out of the hotel offices and that includes the food service coordination. Just because the new CC shows up, dont expect the Cox to just stop doing business. It will take a major hit though. But with this construction, the Renaissance will be further away from the "action".

UnfrSakn mentioned Spaghetti Warehouse. I wonder why someone wouldn't just look at that space to convert? The structure is sound (i mean i guess as far as i know). Being warehouse space, it would have had sufficient floor height and similar column spacing. I'm sure negotiations were all part of the deal here though. Given what's happening, it might not surprise me to see a different flag take that building.

Danrutka mentioned Chelinos. The back side of that stretch of canal buildings has been an eyesore from day one. I'm hoping the blockage of the view by a garage and a building will help force more focus on the canal side. Personally, i think Chelino's is nasty, but somehow that place has managed to stay in business through all the changes in Bricktown.

For Parking, this is probably one of the few times that i feel like adding a garage will be a good thing. It's going to HAVE to be open to the public as well as hotel guests though. It's an area with very little parking available and would take the biggest public lot in the area. It's used pretty frequently for the lunch crowd. It's going to make things difficult during construction, but would actually make things better in the long run. My fear here is if another hotel takes the Spaghetti space, maybe some deal gets made, and then it's no longer publicly available. The lot just west of here near the tracks has a lot of business employee parking in it so weekdays are full, but it's open for weekends. But it's at that far west end of Bricktown. And we all know Okies are some lazy farts when it comes to walking......

The good deal they had with the city to use the convention center and provide catering services is ending in 2020. This is what is driving them to move their flag to Bricktown.

This has to be a first for OKC TALK. A new project design with only positive comments so far. :D

No, there have been a few. They are initially described as "game changers," then, somewhere along the way, they lose their lustre (not tall enough; no 24-room service; why no outdoor pool), etc. :):wink:

Just some personal observations...

I'm concerned for the existing Renaissance. There is absolutely no comparison between a 25 floor hotel attached to a convention/arena space, and a small hotel like this in bricktown. It's great to have it here and all, but if i have a choice between the two, i think i'll take the existing tower. How often does a hotel change flags from the original one, and it end up being a good thing? My concern is that it would be the start of a downward spiral for the existing hotel. At only 17 years old, it's a baby. Not too many people realize that the meeting space in the Cox Center is coordinated with the hotel as well. So when my previous employer rented room space during a tradeshow, we did our business out of the hotel offices and that includes the food service coordination. Just because the new CC shows up, dont expect the Cox to just stop doing business. It will take a major hit though. But with this construction, the Renaissance will be further away from the "action".

UnfrSakn mentioned Spaghetti Warehouse. I wonder why someone wouldn't just look at that space to convert? The structure is sound (i mean i guess as far as i know). Being warehouse space, it would have had sufficient floor height and similar column spacing. I'm sure negotiations were all part of the deal here though. Given what's happening, it might not surprise me to see a different flag take that building.

Danrutka mentioned Chelinos. The back side of that stretch of canal buildings has been an eyesore from day one. I'm hoping the blockage of the view by a garage and a building will help force more focus on the canal side. Personally, i think Chelino's is nasty, but somehow that place has managed to stay in business through all the changes in Bricktown.

For Parking, this is probably one of the few times that i feel like adding a garage will be a good thing. It's going to HAVE to be open to the public as well as hotel guests though. It's an area with very little parking available and would take the biggest public lot in the area. It's used pretty frequently for the lunch crowd. It's going to make things difficult during construction, but would actually make things better in the long run. My fear here is if another hotel takes the Spaghetti space, maybe some deal gets made, and then it's no longer publicly available. The lot just west of here near the tracks has a lot of business employee parking in it so weekdays are full, but it's open for weekends. But it's at that far west end of Bricktown. And we all know Okies are some lazy farts when it comes to walking......

I've thought the same. Hard to imagine what flag it will end up with.

The existing Renaissance opened in 1999 when there was only one other hotel in all of downtown. Shocking when you think about it.

Since then, things have become much more competitive and they haven't done much to keep pace.

I fully expect them to do a major remodel and come back with a new flag. I know this is already being discussed.

In many ways, OKC will be the big winner.

Just some personal observations...

UnfrSakn mentioned Spaghetti Warehouse. I wonder why someone wouldn't just look at that space to convert? The structure is sound (i mean i guess as far as i know). Being warehouse space, it would have had sufficient floor height and similar column spacing. I'm sure negotiations were all part of the deal here though. Given what's happening, it might not surprise me to see a different flag take that building.
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I think Lackmeyer said in at least one of his chats that the Spaghetti Warehouse bldg would require extensive renovation (but don't quote me on that), at least of the ground floor (there are holes in it, and it's just in pretty crappy shape overall), not totally sure about the upper floors, but I think they've been vacant for years, if not decades, so they're probably in not great shape either.

Having said that, this design is pretty cool, be really nice if it goes in as projected.

Just some personal observations...

I'm concerned for the existing Renaissance. There is absolutely no comparison between a 25 floor hotel attached to a convention/arena space, and a small hotel like this in bricktown. It's great to have it here and all, but if i have a choice between the two, i think i'll take the existing tower. How often does a hotel change flags from the original one, and it end up being a good thing? My concern is that it would be the start of a downward spiral for the existing hotel. At only 17 years old, it's a baby. Not too many people realize that the meeting space in the Cox Center is coordinated with the hotel as well. So when my previous employer rented room space during a tradeshow, we did our business out of the hotel offices and that includes the food service coordination. Just because the new CC shows up, dont expect the Cox to just stop doing business. It will take a major hit though. But with this construction, the Renaissance will be further away from the "action".

UnfrSakn mentioned Spaghetti Warehouse. I wonder why someone wouldn't just look at that space to convert? The structure is sound (i mean i guess as far as i know). Being warehouse space, it would have had sufficient floor height and similar column spacing. I'm sure negotiations were all part of the deal here though. Given what's happening, it might not surprise me to see a different flag take that building.

Danrutka mentioned Chelinos. The back side of that stretch of canal buildings has been an eyesore from day one. I'm hoping the blockage of the view by a garage and a building will help force more focus on the canal side. Personally, i think Chelino's is nasty, but somehow that place has managed to stay in business through all the changes in Bricktown.

For Parking, this is probably one of the few times that i feel like adding a garage will be a good thing. It's going to HAVE to be open to the public as well as hotel guests though. It's an area with very little parking available and would take the biggest public lot in the area. It's used pretty frequently for the lunch crowd. It's going to make things difficult during construction, but would actually make things better in the long run. My fear here is if another hotel takes the Spaghetti space, maybe some deal gets made, and then it's no longer publicly available. The lot just west of here near the tracks has a lot of business employee parking in it so weekdays are full, but it's open for weekends. But it's at that far west end of Bricktown. And we all know Okies are some lazy farts when it comes to walking......

The Cox will be demolished and redeveloped into normal lots that fit with the streetscape. So yes, the Cox will "stop doing business". Great move for the city. The property will be prime location.

And there are plenty of developers who would redevelop the Spaghetti Warehouse building if the current owners would sell.

At some point, the City is going to have to get involved, which wouldn't be difficult since that building is now abandoned and out of compliance in several areas.

I think Lackmeyer said in at least one of his chats that the Spaghetti Warehouse bldg would require extensive renovation (but don't quote me on that), at least of the ground floor (there are holes in it, and it's just in pretty crappy shape overall), not totally sure about the upper floors, but I think they've been vacant for years, if not decades, so they're probably in not great shape either.

Having said that, this design is pretty cool, be really nice if it goes in as projected.
Spaghetti Warehouse looked into renovating the upper floors but could only use one of them. They told me about that just a few months before they shut down, so I'm not sure if they ever ended up doing anything to it, but they were looking at making it an event space. I think the building would need to be demolished, or have an incredibly expensive and heavy duty renovation in order for anyone to move in to that spot.

Spaghetti Warehouse looked into renovating the upper floors but could only use one of them. They told me about that just a few months before they shut down, so I'm not sure if they ever ended up doing anything to it, but they were looking at making it an event space. I think the building would need to be demolished, or have an incredibly expensive and heavy duty renovation in order for anyone to move in to that spot.

Haha, no it wouldn't need to be demolished and that wouldn't be allowed. It's no different than the PLOW or other warehouses that have been renovated down there and probably in much better shape than the Plow. It would have to be brought up to code by someone who isn't lazy with a good business plan and converted to offices or apartments. It's completely doable though.

Probably the issue was that they couldn't renovate one floor without completely gutting and rebuilding that structure from the inside out.

But there are developers ready to do that now if the existing owners would just cooperate.


You may remember I posted a bunch of photos of the SW right after it closed and that building was in pretty bad shape.

Yep, Lackmeyer said that the owners basically ignore everybody and everything trying to contact them (sounds like it's not that they've been contacted and have a high price or something like that, they basically won't even pick up the phone or return calls or emails), and they're out of state, I think, so it's just gonna sit deteriorating, sadly, for the time being.

Also, is there any kind of plan to streetscape Sheridan between the railroad and Joe Carter Ave? That entire stretch could use new lane lines and possibly some reconfiguring to make it more pedestrian friendly. Honestly it could also stand to be re-paved as well, though I have no idea how that would work when we're actively putting streetcar rails into the current pavement.

It would be kind of cool if they could make the area between the RR and Mickey Mantle Dr. a pedestrian only area (except for the streetcar). But that probably isn't feasible with the new hotel. If you're a hotel, you don't want out of town guest getting lost trying to find you because the street that goes right in front of your hotel is pedestrian only. If that were the case then hotel guest could only come up Oklahoma Ave to the hotel.

I'm pleased with the amount of streetail on the garage. I noticed the retail and restaurant spots on the hotel plans, will those be street facing as well?

The dining and bar area will front both Oklahoma and Sheridan avenues.

You can see on the renderings and plans there will be a curb cut-out and drop off point along Oklahoma.

I'm pleased with the amount of streetail on the garage. I noticed the retail and restaurant spots on the hotel plans, will those be street facing as well?

Streetail - fantastic term, thanks for adding to my vocabulary!

It would be kind of cool if they could make the area between the RR and Mickey Mantle Dr. a pedestrian only area (except for the streetcar). But that probably isn't feasible with the new hotel. If you're a hotel, you don't want out of town guest getting lost trying to find you because the street that goes right in front of your hotel is pedestrian only. If that were the case then hotel guest could only come up Oklahoma Ave to the hotel.

I would just love to see a streetscape to Sheridan that added bike lanes, a center median with trees, and reduced traffic to one-lane each way. That could really make the area feel more walkable. I don't know if there is room for all of that, but the street/sidewalks really could use a pedestrian friendly update. Of course, all of this is even more needed on Reno, which is terrible for pedestrians.

all of this is even more needed on Reno, which is terrible for pedestrians.

I'll second that emotion.