I personally would love a direct flight to LGA. There are a lot of NY transplants here. Between the FAA and Tinker, DCA would probably get a lot more commercial/business traffic. Also depends on how competitive the rates are.

Newark is far easier to access midtown Manhattan that LaGuadia. I consider LaGuardia to be one of the worst airports in the country and certainly the worst of the three in NY metro. LaGuardia is okay if you are heading to LI, but outside of that, no thanks.

Newark is far easier to access midtown Manhattan that LaGuadia. I consider LaGuardia to be one of the worst airports in the country and certainly the worst of the three in NY metro. LaGuardia is okay if you are heading to LI, but outside of that, no thanks.

I normally would agree with you, but LGA is undergoing a fairly extensive renovation. I was there a month ago and was amazed at how well traffic was regulated. What was normally a mad dash to shove your luggage in the trunk and jump into a moving vehicle has now been reduced to a very orderly load/unload process.

Newark is a curse word to most NYers I know, but I would totally take a direct flight to either of the 3.

Who is handling the ground for ViaAir? I know the airline is young but ViaAir could really be a good fit for markets that want "Southwest Airline" routes but don't have the capacity to fill a 737. An EMB 145 is the perfect plane for the route and could really do well as long as its managed well. I checked ViaAirs site but didnt see the ability to connect. Only direct.

Liberal,KS will have non-stop service on United Airlines starting Jan 1. A nice upgrade from the Great Lakes or PenAir service. Equipment type: CRJ200. Not bad service for NW Oklahoma or The Panhandle.

wow, Liberal-OKC? very nice.

I really hope for more of these regional hops to OKC, even if once a day (or even once a week) to get started then grow the traffic so OKC could serve as an alternative, much more pleasant mini-hub vs. those cities having to go through DFW or DEN.

I truly wish it well and hope they add cities: Imagine SWO-OKC, LAW-OKC, TOP-OKC, AMA-OKC, not to mention the return of TUL-OKC, LIT-OKC, MCI-OKC, OMA-OKC, and MEM-OKC. Those city pairs right there might justify solid service on the hub pairs OKC already has, perhaps even bumps to mainline for some hub hops (like OKC-SEA, OKC-SFO, OKC-LAX, OKC-IAD) and perhaps weekly OKC-MEX service once the new concourse and customs is finished. ...

As Russ would say, OKC - Why Not?

Im sorry. I meant Liberal to Denver on a CRJ. It's an EAS route. I did a horrible job with my post :)

oh shoot. I got my hopes up so high too.

Oh well, hope my point makes an impression - I think we 'could' see some regional action with success, doesn't need to be every day to every where (to start).

American will begin nonstop year round OKC-PHX on april 3 2018. Service will be on a CRJ-900.

Schedule:

PHX-OKC 0835-1230
OKC-PHX 1300-1300 (2 hour flight with 2 hour time change)


Flights are loaded and are for sale, however don't be alarmed at the prices. AA's revenue management system typically lags the schedule changes by a few days to a week. It sees the nonstop flight and doesn't know how to process it so it is very expensive right now.

oh NOW they bring non-stop service to PHX...after we move away. We used to live out there and still have friends back there but traveling back to see them from OKC was a pain

oh NOW they bring non-stop service to PHX...after we move away. We used to live out there and still have friends back there but traveling back to see them from OKC was a pain

Southwest has had a few nonstops to Phoenix for years, haven’t they?

Southwest has had a few nonstops to Phoenix for years, haven’t they?

Yes, 2 daily.

I wonder how this service to OKC will affect the LAX flight. Maybe PHL isn't as far off as we think :)

I wonder how this service to OKC will affect the LAX flight. Maybe PHL isn't as far off as we think :)

I believe LAX was an active part of this decision as they have moved the LAX flight to an evening departure (6pm instead of 230pm).

By moving LAX PM departure back a few hours and making PHX the mid-day departure, they spread their west coast coverage throughout the day. Low yield connections can go to PHX, freeing up higher yield O&D traffic to LAX.

It will be very interesting to see what AA can do with OKC-PHX that America West or US Airways was unable to do (due to no OKC brand awareness), I suspect AA will be able to leverage their FF base in OKC enough to make it work, just like they did with CLT.

I don't think this will be a mainline flight anytime soon, but I could see them very quickly bring this to 2x daily just like CLT.

Yes, 2 daily.

I never shop or fly SWA, my bad

I never shop or fly SWA, my bad

Why?

Ive shopped SWA a few times but noticed their flight prices weren't that much cheaper. Sometimes they were more expensive. But SWA has a good following so I get why they're so popular. SWA route structure isn't for everybody.

Josh Ryan - any chance OKC can land JetBlue to either Boston or NYC?

Ive shopped SWA a few times but noticed their flight prices weren't that much cheaper. Sometimes they were more expensive. But SWA has a good following so I get why they're so popular. SWA route structure isn't for everybody.

I prefer SW not just because of price though 2 free checked bags is a bonus but because of the planes. 737’s are just more comfortable to me than RJ’s which cycle through OKC and TUL unless it’s a random mainline flight. That and loyalty built into using their credit card keeps me flying SW.

I like SWA because if I cancel the flight at least a day out, then my money just goes into my account for any other flight within a year.

I prefer SW not just because of price though 2 free checked bags is a bonus but because of the planes. 737’s are just more comfortable to me than RJ’s which cycle through OKC and TUL unless it’s a random mainline flight. That and loyalty built into using their credit card keeps me flying SW.

+1

I prefer SW not just because of price though 2 free checked bags is a bonus but because of the planes. 737’s are just more comfortable to me than RJ’s which cycle through OKC and TUL unless it’s a random mainline flight. That and loyalty built into using their credit card keeps me flying SW.

Took all the words right out of my mouth! I second this.

Took all the words right out of my mouth! I second this.

I have no airline brand loyalty, and SWA doesn't tend to fly where I go...but god, I hate RJs. I have an upcoming trip that's 2 2.5 hour legs on a CRJ-900 and I'm dreading it.

Why?

I'm an ex CO OnePass guy and just kept that up over the years. I hardly find WN cheaper and have the UA MasterCard so that's just how I roll. Now that I'm in MSP though I'll likely switch to DL. No grudge against WN as they're a good airline and have built a great following (some for good reasons like the ones listed, others for blindly thinking they're always the cheapest).

I wonder how this service to OKC will affect the LAX flight. Maybe PHL isn't as far off as we think :)

I keep hoping for that PHL service. Surprised to see they went PHX first but I'd like to think PHL is on the way with it and MIA now being the only two AA hubs not served at OKC.

PHL is more likely than MIA. TUL had a Saturday-only MIA flight, not sure if that's still active. If you're referring to AA/Eagle hubs though, even after adding PHL, other than MIA we still won't have service to LGA, JFK or DCA which are all technically AA/Eagle hubs.

And Southwest has been flying between OKC and PHX for years now, since the '90's for sure.

I prefer SW not just because of price though 2 free checked bags is a bonus but because of the planes. 737’s are just more comfortable to me than RJ’s which cycle through OKC and TUL unless it’s a random mainline flight. That and loyalty built into using their credit card keeps me flying SW.

And the companion pass is awesome if you can get it.

I'm an ex CO OnePass guy and just kept that up over the years. I hardly find WN cheaper and have the UA MasterCard so that's just how I roll. Now that I'm in MSP though I'll likely switch to DL. No grudge against WN as they're a good airline and have built a great following (some for good reasons like the ones listed, others for blindly thinking they're always the cheapest).

Yeah, I find WN is cheapest if you can plan WAY out in advance--like 6 months+. If you can't, the legacy carriers tend to be cheaper on short notice I have found (except within, say, 5-7 days, then they are astronomical!)

PHL is more likely than MIA. TUL had a Saturday-only MIA flight, not sure if that's still active. If you're referring to AA/Eagle hubs though, even after adding PHL, other than MIA we still won't have service to LGA, JFK or DCA which are all technically AA/Eagle hubs.

And Southwest has been flying between OKC and PHX for years now, since the '90's for sure.

AA flies Sat-only TUL-MIA. Leaves TUL at 5:35 am and arrives in MIA at 9:30 am, and leaves MIA at 9:40 pm and arrives in TUL at 11:56 pm. Both on 737's.

TUL tends to get a wider variety of AA routes due to the AA maintenance base being there.

TUL tends to get a wider variety of AA routes due to the AA maintenance base being there.

Yet no LAX, PHX or PHL service..

Come to think of it US Airways Express had daily CRJs to PHX and LAS for some time before pulling out of the market entirely. Of course LAS got de-hubbed eventually and PHX was probably over-served at the time anyway. Looks like things have come full-circle.

Omaha continues to punch above its weight (like XNA) with international service to Toronto on Air Canada Express. I think outside of a Mexican beach resort destination like Cancun by Frontier or Allegiant that YYZ is probably OKC or TUL’s best bet for intl service. YYZ has a ton of intl connections and with TSA Preclearance it makes it really easy for a 1 stop to Europe or even Asia.

http://www.omaha.com/money/eppley-will-offer-daily-service-to-toronto-its-first-international/article_60f2c1dd-a061-5bb1-a9ff-20d49015f82d.html

Flew on the AA A319 to CLT this morning and it was a full ride.

I have no airline brand loyalty, and SWA doesn't tend to fly where I go...but god, I hate RJs. I have an upcoming trip that's 2 2.5 hour legs on a CRJ-900 and I'm dreading it.

Why? Economy class seat width on the CR7/9 is the same as a 737, plus no middle seat! All things considered I'd almost always pick a CR7/9 flight over a 737.

Why? Economy class seat width on the CR7/9 is the same as a 737, plus no middle seat! All things considered I'd almost always pick a CR7/9 flight over a 737.

Not only width but pitch (distance from one point on your seat to the same point on the seat in front of you) is usually equal or better than mainline.

Lavatories are my only real complaint with RJ's.

Not answering for NoOkie, but I share his/her sentiment regarding 737s vs regional jets. Even with the CRJs being 2/2 seating, the lesser diameter of the interior as a result is just cramped feeling. One plus about flying SW into/out of OKC is that if you're lucky then you'll be on a half empty 737 -- so much room! Or back when I flew weekly for work, I got lucky once on a 6:45AM OKC-LAS SW flight and there were about 10 of us total on the plane.

So even if the seats are all width/pitch comparable to one another (and why wouldn't they be when its a race to the bottom to squeeze as many people onto a single flight), the "breathing room" does affect some of us.

Just my opinion but try sitting in the middle seats for 8 or more hours in a widebody Airbus or Boeing (been there, done that). Then you really know what cramped feels like. Sorry, with catch22 and and no1cub on this one. RJs get a bad rap because of that smaller cabin but in reality, they're not that bad. You're pretty much guaranteed either an aisle or a window seat, or better yet, both if you choose the A seat in an older Embraer (135/140/145).

Now if you're really tall, then you're pretty much out of luck no matter what plane you fly in, especially these days... save for a few airlines like Lufthansa and ANA.

Appears UA is ending OKC-LAX next month. I no longer see it for sale.

Delta is adding 2 flights to LAX on Dec 30 from OKC. Both will be on a Boeing 737-900ER . Return flights are on Jan 2. There will be an 8am flight and a 430pm flight out and back

Just my opinion but try sitting in the middle seats for 8 or more hours in a widebody Airbus or Boeing (been there, done that). Then you really know what cramped feels like. Sorry, with catch22 and and no1cub on this one. RJs get a bad rap because of that smaller cabin but in reality, they're not that bad. You're pretty much guaranteed either an aisle or a window seat, or better yet, both if you choose the A seat in an older Embraer (135/140/145).

Now if you're really tall, then you're pretty much out of luck no matter what plane you fly in, especially these days... save for a few airlines like Lufthansa and ANA.

I'm 6'7". I can't stand upright in the aisle of some RJs, and sometimes can't sit in the window seat because of ceiling slope. (Haven't been on one that small in a while, admittedly). Also, quite a few of the Embraer's I've been on have strange seat leg arrangements that make it hard to move my feet around, especially the very small ones with the the single seat of the aisle.

Also, 737s/A320s tend to have configurations where you can upgrade to economy plus and get an extra 3-5 inches of leg room.

Delta is adding 2 flights to LAX on Dec 30 from OKC. Both will be on a Boeing 737-900ER . Return flights are on Jan 2. There will be an 8am flight and a 430pm flight out and back

How strange. Are there any large events happening in la that time?

How strange. Are there any large events happening in la that time?

Rose Bowl. Prices are about $800-900 RT though. :eek:

Rose Bowl. Prices are about $800-900 RT though. :eek:

Check again later, if they just added the flights it can take a couple days to sync the fares.

I wonder if UAL or AA will change the equipment type for this route too.

I wonder if UAL or AA will change the equipment type for this route too.

AA might. UA seems to never pick up on such things. And right now mainline capacity at UA is stretched. They do not have much slack to add extra capacity for special events. And given the fact the route is ending for UA, I highly doubt they'll devote the attention to adding extra capacity.

AA might. UA seems to never pick up on such things. And right now mainline capacity at UA is stretched. They do not have much slack to add extra capacity for special events. And given the fact the route is ending for UA, I highly doubt they'll devote the attention to adding extra capacity.

UA brought out the 747 for OKC-LAX for the Rose Bowl in 2003. Doubt we see that again though!

No 747 for this game. They retired that plane last month.

UA brought out the 747 for OKC-LAX for the Rose Bowl in 2003. Doubt we see that again though!

Those people who planned that are either canned or retired! Trust me, things run a bit different at United now :)

Although I feel for anyone flying at 6’7” and I’m sure it’s rough, agree that overall RJs get a bad rap. People who don’t fly much often confuse them with turboprops, which used to be really common for regional/connecting flights here and are excruciating. RJs are fast, quiet, can fly above most weather just like larger jets, and the leg room actually tends to be BETTER than larger equipment in my experience (not to mention not catching a middle seat). The only bummers are boarding/deplaning and sometimes carry-on hassle.

When it comes to regional jets, I much prefer (dare I say enjoy) the Embraer 170s/190s. I don't like the Bombardier CRJs. But nothing is as bad as the old Embraer ERJs 130s/140s.

The E170s/E190s are really pretty great. They don't have middle seats and they're pretty comfortable. If airlines would enforce the carry-on rules or if flyers would quit trying to break the rules about carry-ons, that'd make flying RJs a lot better.

When it comes to regional jets, I much prefer (dare I say enjoy) the Embraer 170s/190s. I don't like the Bombardier CRJs. But nothing is as bad as the old Embraer ERJs 130s/140s.

The E170s/E190s are really pretty great. They don't have middle seats and they're pretty comfortable. If airlines would enforce the carry-on rules or if flyers would quit trying to break the rules about carry-ons, that'd make flying RJs a lot better.

Somewhat contrary to what I said earlier in this thread, I do like the ERJ 145.. or similar planes with 1-2 seating. Having the solo seat on the left side is pretty nice!

Even in the E145's on the single side, the curvature of the fuselage leaves the room for your feet super cramped. I always choose the single seat side (because I love a window) but the aisle seat on the double side is probably a better bet.

I LOVE the increased usage of E175's though, great plans and at least with UA they all have WiFi.

Nothing is as bad as CRJ200's though. CRJ900's though are not bad.

AA might. UA seems to never pick up on such things. And right now mainline capacity at UA is stretched. They do not have much slack to add extra capacity for special events. And given the fact the route is ending for UA, I highly doubt they'll devote the attention to adding extra capacity.

UA likes to do charters for these types of events. Expecting 2, maybe 3 thru AAR.

Josh Ryan - any chance OKC can land JetBlue to either Boston or NYC?

They know of our interest. We meet with them annually at air service conferences. We would love to be on their radar as they get more aggressive in mid-size markets.

They know of our interest. We meet with them annually at air service conferences. We would love to be on their radar as they get more aggressive in mid-size markets.
So no chance right now, lol.

So no chance right now, lol.

It's rarely ever a clear cut yes or no when you are discussing air service with planners. They could call tomorrow and say "Hey, guess what...". It happens that way sometimes.

like the Austin service, perhaps. ...

like the Austin service, perhaps. ...

I really wish them luck but they are fighting an uphill battle. Competing with WN/UA/AA who have this route covered so well through several dozen connection opportunities via Dallas and Houston. Even if connections waste time, you have a lot more time options on the network carriers.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to see them give us a shot, but it will be a huge challenge for them.

I really wish them luck but they are fighting an uphill battle. Competing with WN/UA/AA who have this route covered so well through several dozen connection opportunities via Dallas and Houston. Even if connections waste time, you have a lot more time options on the network carriers.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to see them give us a shot, but it will be a huge challenge for them.

Reminds me of Express Jet. They did direct from OKC to multiple regional mid-tier cities, but they fizzled out. Great in theory, tough to execute.

Reminds me of Express Jet. They did direct from OKC to multiple regional mid-tier cities, but they fizzled out. Great in theory, tough to execute.

Also launched in 2007