Andrew4OU
04-01-2017, 03:43 PM
OKC-Reykjavik to begin this summer on WOW Air!! :cool:
Not funny! :mad:
Not funny! :mad:
View Full Version : 2017 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion Andrew4OU 04-01-2017, 03:43 PM OKC-Reykjavik to begin this summer on WOW Air!! :cool: Not funny! :mad: BG918 04-02-2017, 09:22 AM Not funny! :mad: Ha had to get a somewhat-believable but not really Aprils Fools joke on here. But WOW Air actually is starting service to Chicago this July which will offer a cheap alternative to many European cities if you can do 2 stops. Or just go to Iceland it's a great vacation destination on its own. catch22 04-02-2017, 01:17 PM AA returns to 4 daily to Chicago for the summer season, up from 3. damonsmuz 04-02-2017, 04:55 PM OK...nice try on the April Fools joke. You can delete it now :) tfvc.org 04-03-2017, 03:28 PM Wow. I totally believed this and even asked someone in the industry about Wow air. I actually go to Spain every couple years and Wow goes to the airport I fly into. I thought I would be able to go to ALC in 3 stops instead of 4. Now I have to go back and tell people who asked about it that it was just an April fools. :mad: catch22 04-03-2017, 04:17 PM While I don't see OKC being on any short-list of potential markets that Icelandair, Norweigan, or WOW Air would be looking at, I think the idea of it is not terribly far fetched. Icelandair has seen some tremendous success in (relatively) smaller Int'l markets such as Portland, Denver, and Pittsburgh. British Airways is also seeing good success on Austin-London, and just started New Orleans-London. While each of these markets are much larger than OKC, they are much smaller than the historical requirement for nonstop trans-atlantic travel. Their long term success in these markets makes the numbers much easier to forecast for any potential transatlantic link OKC may ever obtain. Icelandair would be a good candidate as a long term target, provided their success in secondary US markets continues to occur. no1cub17 04-03-2017, 05:44 PM Also, AA 737-800 ops outnumber the MD80 52-38. Really crazy - I remember when AA's OKC-DFW flights were all 7-8x/day on the S80. We have an S80 flight coming up this weekend. Going to try to soak it in - they are really truly on their way out! no1cub17 04-03-2017, 05:46 PM Wow. I totally believed this and even asked someone in the industry about Wow air. I actually go to Spain every couple years and Wow goes to the airport I fly into. I thought I would be able to go to ALC in 3 stops instead of 4. Now I have to go back and tell people who asked about it that it was just an April fools. :mad: You should be able to go to ALC in 2 stops, no? I.E. OKC-DFW-MAD-ALC? (Just as an example) tfvc.org 04-03-2017, 06:15 PM You should be able to go to ALC in 2 stops, no? I.E. OKC-DFW-MAD-ALC? (Just as an example) I count 4. OUman 04-04-2017, 09:13 AM ^Usually, a "stop" is considered to be the airport you transfer at between your origin and destination airport - so in this case, it would be two stops. s00nr1 04-12-2017, 01:20 PM Interesting news post-Alaska/Virgin merger. Will likely put an end to any wild speculation of Alaska significantly expanding in OKC (beyond an OKC-DAL to compete with WN perhaps). Alaska Air targets Dallas Love Field for big expansion https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/04/12/alaska-air-targets-dallas-love-field-big-expansion/100366626/ BG918 04-12-2017, 01:49 PM Interesting news post-Alaska/Virgin merger. Will likely put an end to any wild speculation of Alaska significantly expanding in OKC (beyond an OKC-DAL to compete with WN perhaps). https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/04/12/alaska-air-targets-dallas-love-field-big-expansion/100366626/ That will be interesting if it happens. Flying ALASKA Airlines from OKC to Dallas. :noldus: catch22 04-12-2017, 03:29 PM Good numbers for March, I will have some more numbers later. http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/March2017Enplanement.pdf catch22 04-12-2017, 05:20 PM March 2017 Detailed Info. OKC had an average load factor of 77.20%. 201,054 seats were offered for sale by the signatory airlines at WRWA between Mar 1 and Mar 31, of those 45,841 seats were empty at departure time. Below are some detailed statistics to the airlines and their presence in the OKC market for the month of March 2017. https://i.gyazo.com/c38fba1b17f8548fb5e0cd64444b8298.png https://i.gyazo.com/30494ebd93a02f5203aa2e27717b482a.png https://i.gyazo.com/41a6761e5501d355b2753981bf653c07.png https://i.gyazo.com/369c46f74e50351e7fe7041d1aad9508.png I have several other pages of data that is less sexy. Might work on a page to publish it online with a link here. I plan to do this each month. gopokes88 04-13-2017, 12:51 PM March 2017 Detailed Info. OKC had an average load factor of 77.20%. 201,054 seats were offered for sale by the signatory airlines at WRWA between Mar 1 and Mar 31, of those 45,841 seats were empty at departure time. Below are some detailed statistics to the airlines and their presence in the OKC market for the month of March 2017. https://i.gyazo.com/c38fba1b17f8548fb5e0cd64444b8298.png https://i.gyazo.com/30494ebd93a02f5203aa2e27717b482a.png https://i.gyazo.com/41a6761e5501d355b2753981bf653c07.png https://i.gyazo.com/369c46f74e50351e7fe7041d1aad9508.png I have several other pages of data that is less sexy. Might work on a page to publish it online with a link here. I plan to do this each month. That's awesome. Thank you no1cub17 04-17-2017, 03:04 PM That will be interesting if it happens. Flying ALASKA Airlines from OKC to Dallas. :noldus: Haha - that's not unusual at all. Most of AS's routes don't even touch Alaska - they have an extensive network within the lower 48 and to Mexico. BG918 04-17-2017, 03:46 PM Haha - that's not unusual at all. Most of AS's routes don't even touch Alaska - they have an extensive network within the lower 48 and to Mexico. I know. It's less odd when Alaska connects the West Coast to inland cities but inland cities to...other inland cities is just strange. But I welcome the competition and more options. Then again I flew Southwest from Portland, Maine to Baltimore a couple summers ago and that was about as far from the southwest as you can get in the Lower 48.. OUman 04-19-2017, 11:24 PM If you read the article, AS is going to start nonstops between Love Field and west coast destinations. I highly doubt Alaska will start DAL-OKC, WN has that covered pretty good. Besides, with 18 daily departures Virgin America/Alaska have both their gates at full capacity, and Southwest will not be giving up any more of its own gates. And I think the new terminal is restricted from adding any more under a clause. catch22 04-30-2017, 08:55 AM July and August AA will run a 3rd daily to CLT. 2x CRJ9 1x CRJ7 This has been extended Sept and Oct. likely permanent. gopokes88 04-30-2017, 06:17 PM This has been extended Sept and Oct. likely permanent. Sweet no1cub17 04-30-2017, 07:16 PM Wow - most DFW-OKC flights cancelled today. My wife and I rented a car - otherwise the next available seats were tomorrow night. What a mess! sbs 05-01-2017, 11:13 AM Southwest has officially began its 1x week nonstop to MCO on Sundays. If anyone has any info on load factors I would be interested. no1cub17 05-01-2017, 07:40 PM This has been extended Sept and Oct. likely permanent. Wow - didn't realize AA was doing this well to CLT. Would be nice to get another link to DC or NYC but this is better than nothing! BG918 05-02-2017, 01:52 PM Wow - didn't realize AA was doing this well to CLT. Would be nice to get another link to DC or NYC but this is better than nothing! I bet a good chunk of that traffic is going to DC, NYC or Boston. Otherwise you only have 1x Dulles and Newark on United and 1x Baltimore on Southwest. s00nr1 05-02-2017, 10:29 PM I bet a good chunk of that traffic is going to DC, NYC or Boston. Otherwise you only have 1x Dulles and Newark on United and 1x Baltimore on Southwest. Would be much happier seeing one of those flights to CLT going to PHL instead. Hopefully that happens sometime in the next year or two. catch22 05-09-2017, 05:03 PM August 27, 2017 Alaska will switch to Horizon Air for the E175 to Seattle. Same aircraft type and configuration, different operator. I'm building May 2017's departure and capacity tables right now, Alaska is already completely sold out on several flights several weeks out. Not sure when or if they will ever add capacity to OKC. Flight to SEA seems to have been selling very well ever since it started. But no capacity bump in 2 years of service. Meanwhile, OMA (which started a year before OKC) got upgauged to a 737-800 to SEA, got an E175 to PDX and SAN. Alaska already did several huge rounds of expansions with the Virgin America merger and OKC got nothing -- they must not be too impressed with the OKC market, or are just content having a token presence. BG918 05-09-2017, 06:03 PM Would be much happier seeing one of those flights to CLT going to PHL instead. Hopefully that happens sometime in the next year or two. Yeah a 1x PHL in place of the 3rd CLT non-stop would be nice for NE and International connections on AA. Even better would be a 1x LGA or JFK but that's more of a long shot. I wonder if AA would ever try a 1x or 2x OKC-PHX? Southwest owns that market but AA offers a good amount of West Coast connections and it's a decent O&D market. catch22 05-12-2017, 07:25 PM Here is April, up slightly. http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/April2017Enplanement.pdf Detailed April 2017 OKC Market Data: https://i.gyazo.com/df6bf94a76a7fee20b2ef088903cd6f6.png https://i.gyazo.com/494b8244b5750effb2111ff24fa28e30.png Load factors: https://i.gyazo.com/4fb35885379f0315710152cc1aa5835e.png BG918 05-20-2017, 04:01 PM Southwest Top 20 markets (by departures) - OKC has non-stops to the ones in bold So the only Top 10 holes: - LAX (doubtful as they would compete with AA, United and Allegiant, TUL-LAX more likely) - ATL (Southwest already tried this after the AirTran merger and ended it, would be great to see competition with Delta on this key route) - OAK (how is United doing with OKC-SFO? This could be a nice alternate option for the SF Bay Area) I bet we would see MCI, BNA and AUS served if Southwest had smaller planes but the 737 is too big for these regional routes, at least right now. FLL would be a great add to connect to the growing number of international/Caribbean destinations being served out of there, and provide OKC with a link to S Florida. 1. MDW - 242 2. BWI - 223 3. LAS - 216 4. DEN - 200 5. PHX - 181 6. DAL - 180 7. HOU - 157 8. LAX - 130 9. ATL - 125 10. OAK - 121 11. MCO - 117 **not daily 12. STL - 104 13. SAN - 102 14. BNA - 95 15. TPA - 82 16. SJC - 76 17. MCI - 76 18. SMF - 70 19. AUS - 65 20. FLL - 63 gopokes88 06-13-2017, 09:33 PM http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/May2017Enplanement.pdf Pretty good month. Sounds like we're through the worst and will return to growth. catch22 06-23-2017, 12:46 PM Southwest is discontinuing OKC-MDW in January. s00nr1 06-23-2017, 01:13 PM Southwest is discontinuing OKC-MDW in January. Ouch! I had a chance to take the OKC-MCO nonstop this past Sunday and spoke with the gate agent for a bit about it. She said rumor is this route will be discontinued soon and won't be returning due to poor performance (there were approximately 50 empty seats on my flight). Really unfortunate as that is a much better option to get to Orlando for conferences. catch22 06-23-2017, 01:31 PM Ouch! I had a chance to take the OKC-MCO nonstop this past Sunday and spoke with the gate agent for a bit about it. She said rumor is this route will be discontinued soon and won't be returning due to poor performance (there were approximately 50 empty seats on my flight). Really unfortunate as that is a much better option to get to Orlando for conferences. No surprise. Southwest didn't seem very committed to it to begin with. They never announced it and never really made a big effort of getting awareness for it. LakeEffect 06-23-2017, 01:38 PM Southwest is discontinuing OKC-MDW in January. Just for winter, or entirely? catch22 06-23-2017, 01:51 PM They say it is a seasonal discontinuation, but there is no reinstatement date like some other routes. In airline lingo, seasonal discontinuation is the "it's not you, it's me" of route drops. OUman 06-23-2017, 08:53 PM What a shocker. Orlando has never been successful for OKC, even DL Connection tried and failed. If memory serves correctly I believe only Champion Air flew somewhat successful service to/from MCO (charters). Orlando's supposedly one of our "Top 15" destinations but go figure. BWI started out as Sat-only but has become a daily, even saw some -800s scheduled for the summer season on that route. HangryHippo 06-23-2017, 09:52 PM Just an aside as I flew on a CRJ700 today - would it be so terrible for airlines to provide slightly wider seats? My god. OUman 06-23-2017, 10:19 PM Just an aside as I flew on a CRJ700 today - would it be so terrible for airlines to provide slightly wider seats? My god. I've found the Canadairs have had slightly narrower seats than the Embraers. Of course it also depends on what regional carrier you're flying also. Then again, the trend over the last decade has been toward narrower seats and less seat pitch, even in widebodies. The airlines are squeezing in one extra seat in both, the 787s and 777s (across), so you end up with 9-across in the 787 Y-class, and 10-across in the 777 Y-class. And now Airbus is considering 11-across in the new 380 "Plus". I guess the "Plus" stands for that additional seat in a layout that would be 3-5-3 LOL. BG918 06-25-2017, 02:42 PM Ouch! I had a chance to take the OKC-MCO nonstop this past Sunday and spoke with the gate agent for a bit about it. She said rumor is this route will be discontinued soon and won't be returning due to poor performance (there were approximately 50 empty seats on my flight). Really unfortunate as that is a much better option to get to Orlando for conferences. I wonder if SW would rather send traffic through STL adding a 3rd daily nonstop? I had heard that is what they planned to do on the TUL-STL route. TUL-MDW was also recently cancelled. Surprising in that Midway is Southwest's largest hub and offers a ton of connections especially to the Midwest and Northeast but it's also growth-restricted while STL has plenty of room to grow with a good number of connections. Regarding Orlando there is still daily nonstop service to nearby SFB on Allegiant. For the price sensitive family/Disney crowd that is probably a better option. Oklahoma-Florida has been tried many times and for whatever reason isn't successful. shawnw 06-26-2017, 10:07 AM I don't trust allegiant. 4 hrs before a flight to vegas they cancelled the flight with no explanation. I couldn't find any indication of weather that would have caused a cancellation vs a delay. This was on a Thursday. Next outbound flight was Sunday, so weekend Vegas trip ruined. catch22 06-26-2017, 10:28 AM I wonder if SW would rather send traffic through STL adding a 3rd daily nonstop? I had heard that is what they planned to do on the TUL-STL route. TUL-MDW was also recently cancelled. Surprising in that Midway is Southwest's largest hub and offers a ton of connections especially to the Midwest and Northeast but it's also growth-restricted while STL has plenty of room to grow with a good number of connections. Regarding Orlando there is still daily nonstop service to nearby SFB on Allegiant. For the price sensitive family/Disney crowd that is probably a better option. Oklahoma-Florida has been tried many times and for whatever reason isn't successful. Twice weekly, not daily. Downwind17 06-26-2017, 11:08 AM Just to clarify...Southwest is dropping MCO or MDW? Jeepnokc 06-27-2017, 08:28 AM I don't trust allegiant. 4 hrs before a flight to vegas they cancelled the flight with no explanation. I couldn't find any indication of weather that would have caused a cancellation vs a delay. This was on a Thursday. Next outbound flight was Sunday, so weekend Vegas trip ruined. My wife flew them for the last time last month. Early Thursday afternoon flight delayed for several hours. Last delay was told flight would leave at 6 pm. At 4 pm, they cancel the flight. Wife, kids, and mother-in-law head home. My wife is at home literally in the process of booking Friday morning flights on Delta when we get a recorded call at 515pm saying they cancelled the flight by mistake and it will be departing at 6 pm. Fortunately we live literally catty corner to the airport so they made the flight. I told her never again. Spend the extra money to fly on Delta. BG918 06-27-2017, 11:33 AM Just to clarify...Southwest is dropping MCO or MDW? MDW is being cancelled. The rumor is Saturday only MCO will end soon leaving no non-stop options to Orlando (Allegiant flies to nearby Sanford). I think MDW could be the result of two things: 1) slot restrictions at the closed-in airport where other routes that perform better are added and lower performing routes like OKC and TUL are dropped and/or 2) Southwest is retiring a lot of its older aircraft and dropping routes or frequency ahead of their new aircraft orders which arrive later this year into 2018, and once that happens these routes and frequency may come back. Let's hope it's #2 as MDW is an important route and alternative to ORD. s00nr1 06-27-2017, 04:57 PM Several DFW and DAL-bound a/c diverting to OKC this afternoon due to weather in DFW. No heavies yet though. Maybe we could get out there and throw a welcome party to Virgin to get them (Alaska) to add CA service :) So far I have found: AA608 PHL-DFW // A320 AA1141 LGA-DFW // A321S AA2335 ORD-DFW // MD82 AA2607 BOS-DFW // A321S AA3621 TVC-DFW // E175 AA5757 EVV-DFW // CR9 AA5919 MEM-DFW // CR9 NK857 BOS-DFW // A320 VX790 LAS-DAL // A319 VX874 LAX-DAL // A319 WN487 AMA-DAL // 733 WN3905 BNA-DAL // 737 13946 OUman 07-06-2017, 11:00 AM Just something for anyone interested, Austin Bergstrom bagged its 6th overall international carrier, Norwegian. Norwegian starting thrice weekly Gatwick nonstops (http://www.austintexas.gov/news/norwegian-announces-nonstop-service-austin-london-gatwick-airport) Yes, it's only thrice a week but unlike Condor's summer-only twice-weekly to FRA, this will be year-round (at least there's no mention of this being seasonal in the press). So unless BA is affected by this service, it will give AUS a total of 10 weekly nonstops to London. And Condor is expected to continue its expanded service to/from FRA next summer also. AUS May passenger traffic was up over 12% from last May, and overall year-to-date traffic is up by 8.5%. Must be nice to have a growing airport! It can't get that east concourse expansion soon enough. HangryHippo 07-06-2017, 11:07 AM Just something for anyone interested, Austin Bergstrom bagged its 6th overall international carrier, Norwegian. Norwegian starting thrice weekly Gatwick nonstops (http://www.austintexas.gov/news/norwegian-announces-nonstop-service-austin-london-gatwick-airport) Yes, it's only thrice a week but unlike Condor's summer-only twice-weekly to FRA, this will be year-round (at least there's no mention of this being seasonal in the press). So unless BA is affected by this service, it will give AUS a total of 10 weekly nonstops to London. And Condor is expected to continue its expanded service to/from FRA next summer also. AUS May passenger traffic was up over 12% from last May, and overall year-to-date traffic is up by 8.5%. Must be nice to have a growing airport! It can't get that east concourse expansion soon enough. Very jealous of their growth. Would be nice to see some new stops here in OKC. Richard at Remax 07-06-2017, 11:30 AM DIdn't realize there was that much demand coming out of Austin. Pretty impressive BG918 07-06-2017, 12:54 PM Very jealous of their growth. Would be nice to see some new stops here in OKC. Maybe Southwest will eventually try a 1x daily nonstop to AUS. ExpressJet briefly flew this route in the mid-2000's using smaller aircraft, I would think there would be enough demand to fill a daily 737 down there especially if tied to an ongoing flight to San Antonio. There is a decent amount of oil & gas traffic between OKC and South Texas as well concentrated south of San Antonio. catch22 07-06-2017, 04:43 PM As much as I'd like to see AUS, it would be a significant change in network for OKC. I'm not sure if OKC is ready (in the eyes of the airlines) for Point-2-Point. Even Southwest, the King of P2P is rapidly backing away from point-to-point and entrenching into large market hub/spoke. With Southwest's change in business model and the network carrier view of OKC (and comparable markets) I just can't see it happening anytime soon. BG918 07-07-2017, 10:04 AM As much as I'd like to see AUS, it would be a significant change in network for OKC. I'm not sure if OKC is ready (in the eyes of the airlines) for Point-2-Point. Even Southwest, the King of P2P is rapidly backing away from point-to-point and entrenching into large market hub/spoke. With Southwest's change in business model and the network carrier view of OKC (and comparable markets) I just can't see it happening anytime soon. Until the past year or so I would consider OKC-STL as somewhat of a P2P with about the same number of Southwest departures as Austin. Now they are a mid-sized hub with around 100 daily departures, and obviously are in a better geographic location for connecting flights. OKC-STL is also a legacy route that has been served for decades going back to TWA, then American, and now Southwest. Like I've said before if Southwest had a smaller plane than the 737 I would imagine OKC would have service to larger regional cities like AUS, SAT, MCI, BNA and MSY. Richard at Remax 07-07-2017, 10:48 AM As someone who is flying to STL in December, the SWA direct flight out of OKC is not the most ideal time. 5:50am is too early lol. catch22 07-07-2017, 01:18 PM Until the past year or so I would consider OKC-STL as somewhat of a P2P with about the same number of Southwest departures as Austin. Now they are a mid-sized hub with around 100 daily departures, and obviously are in a better geographic location for connecting flights. OKC-STL is also a legacy route that has been served for decades going back to TWA, then American, and now Southwest. Like I've said before if Southwest had a smaller plane than the 737 I would imagine OKC would have service to larger regional cities like AUS, SAT, MCI, BNA and MSY. MCI and STL were always kind of the outliers in that they existed primarily for connections, but neither were very large hubs. With WN's business model change, MCI has taken a back seat (even more than it was) and STL has actually had a good bit of "spillover "growth as MDW is literally maxed out. If WN had about 15 more gates and 2 full length runways at MDW, STL would be shrinking. Southwest's labor costs and waning of fuel hedging programs has resulted in them being forced to adopt the legacy hub and spoke network. When Southwest's costs were low they could make the numbers work on small market to medium market point to point. Now they have to consolidate their flights into their largest stations and create connection banks to create some economies of scale to overcome their costs. I feel about 10 years ago would have been our best shot for AUS, BNA, and MSY on WN. It fit perfect in their previous business model, but OKC didn't have the passenger numbers at the time. Richard at Remax 07-07-2017, 01:42 PM Since MSY has been brought up a few times, any chance we get there via Allegiant? Even though looking at their route map they have zero direct flights west of the Mississippi (I thought Tulsa had one but might have been mistaken) catch22 07-07-2017, 01:45 PM Since MSY has been brought up a few times, any chance we get there via Allegiant? Even though looking at their route map they have zero direct flights west of the Mississippi (I thought Tulsa had one but might have been mistaken) Allegiant could be a possibility. But it would be less than daily. They have shown some mild interest in OKC lately. whatitis 07-07-2017, 07:56 PM Since MSY has been brought up a few times, any chance we get there via Allegiant? Even though looking at their route map they have zero direct flights west of the Mississippi (I thought Tulsa had one but might have been mistaken) I don't work in the airline industry but I know for a fact allegiant at one point did have a Tulsa to new Orleans route. My brother in law was thinking of booking it for a vacation but they didn't have the dates he wanted. Not sure if it's seasonal or if it got dropped altogether damonsmuz 07-07-2017, 10:29 PM Love seeing UAL EWR-OKC seeing an upgauge in the equipment from the EMB-145 to EMB-175. How is it that EWR is seasonal but IAD is yearly? Is it basically a "one of the routes has to be seasonal and EWR is it" sort of thing or does IAD do that much better than EWR? BG918 07-08-2017, 04:36 AM I don't work in the airline industry but I know for a fact allegiant at one point did have a Tulsa to new Orleans route. My brother in law was thinking of booking it for a vacation but they didn't have the dates he wanted. Not sure if it's seasonal or if it got dropped altogether I believe TUL-MSY lasted about a year before Allegiant dropped it. There is an airline called Glo that has started a small regional network out of New Orleans, maybe they would consider expanding west? https://inairlinenews.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/glo_map.jpg?w=240&h=261 Downwind17 07-16-2017, 08:04 AM News9 reported that a new carrier to OKC will be announced on Tuesday. Anyone know of any details? gopokes88 07-16-2017, 06:13 PM Very very good month of June. http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/June2017Enplanement.pdf |