Heard it either was sold or being sold and the plan is to develop new homes on the current course. This was done to Traditions golf course a while ago. I haven't seen any sales docs though. Is there a way to to verify this sale?

I had heard something similar. They put those new greens in a few years back and they didn't work at all, and it's killed the course.

If I owned a house on that course I would be beyond upset.

Just goes to show you never can tell what will happen with surrounding property.

I had heard something similar. They put those new greens in a few years back and they didn't work at all, and it's killed the course.

That was a bad deal. For a while there, you could go and pay just about whatever you wanted to offer to play a round. And then it got to the point, where it didn't matter if you could play for free...it just wasn't worth it. I would be pretty upset as a homeowner if my house backed up to the existing golf course.

I think the chances of that actually happening are very slim

Apartments, commercial, and housing being planned for the property...

Same thing happened at Traditions. It is important to look at who owns the golf course and what the restrictions are if you are going to buy on a private/corporate owned golf course based on being on the course. Most people don't think to ask or check it out when they are buying.

wow. if i was a homeowner whose house backed up to the golf course i would be upset.

Those apartments on Covell are small potatoes now, I'd say

I am a bit surprised as many golf courses in the North OKC/Edmond area are able to maintain operation as have

Yes, and nationally millennial are ditching golf as too boring.

I'll eat my words. I can't find any literature on it but that seems to be the case about Coffee Creek. Unreal.

I think the problem we have is a lack of exclusive clubs/destination resort courses in the metro. And to add to that the quality of courses. Oak Tree National is as good as it gets course wise. While Gaillardia and OKC Golf & CC are great Country Clubs with pretty solid courses. Oak Tree CC isn't far behind. But that's about it.

OKC GCC is starting to have membership problems of their own though. He could have been fibbing but I played a tournament there not too long ago and a guy in the pro shop said the average age of the membership is in the 60s. They never used to have problems getting members but now I know they are calling around soliciting. The Greens and Quail Creek are doing this as well to get younger.

Rose Creek could have been cool but with a Meh design and trying to cram as many houses on the course, it lost it's appeal. Nice new clubhouse though. There's a reason they can't stay private. Winter Creek was supposed to be the Oak Tree of the way south side but it got unlucky being built during the wrong time in a crap economy and hasn't recovered. I'm surprised it's still open. Fun course. I can see Golf Club of Edmond picking up some steam in the next few years. They have put a lot of money in the course, and with Edmond growing that way I think they could see a boost. The could use a new clubhouse though.

I will say our public courses are better than a lot of other cities. The problem is they cram too many people on. So now a typical Saturday or Sunday round is a good 4 to 5 hours. People just don't seem to want to do that any more. Which is probably why Top Golf is such a hit.

I know Aubrey had a pipe dream about building a really exclusive club out near Arcadia. Also, that old casino resort development on I35 and Hefner (I think) was supposed to have nice course too.

OKC municipal courses are top notch compared to other cities' public courses. The problem is, I've never lived anywhere else that allows fivesomes on courses. It kills the round length at places like Hefner, which is sad because all of my out of town buddies I've taken to play there absolutely love the course.

Rose Creek could have been cool but with a Meh design and trying to cram as many houses on the course, it lost it's appeal. Nice new clubhouse though. There's a reason they can't stay private. I will say our public courses are better than a lot of other cities.


Rose Creek is my home course, (as posted in my avatar) and there are so many issues, (non golf related) within the semi-new ownership group, that they have lost quite a few members. I'm not saying that they have run it into the ground...but they haven't done themselves any favors. The culture within, has changed so much, and they have literally "banned" or "run off" some of the best golfers around. And with the golfing community a pretty tight fraternity.....members are leaving in droves. Mid year, they voided all Master memberships ($30,000/year) and most of those guys were so pissed...that they split off between Gallardia and Oak Tree.

I agree in your assessment, that I believe golf Club of Edmond, stands to benefit the most in the near future with coffee creek closing, and the growth of NE Edmond.

Apartments, commercial, and housing being planned for the property...

Good luck getting Edmond citizens and neighborhood associations to go for apartments. Apartments in Edmond are a non-starter to many.


Rose Creek is my home course, (as posted in my avatar) and there are so many issues, (non golf related) within the semi-new ownership group, that they have lost quite a few members. I'm not saying that they have run it into the ground...but they haven't done themselves any favors. The culture within, has changed so much, and they have literally "banned" or "run off" some of the best golfers around. And with the golfing community a pretty tight fraternity.....members are leaving in droves. Mid year, they voided all Master memberships ($30,000/year) and most of those guys were so pissed...that they split off between Gallardia and Oak Tree.

I agree in your assessment, that I believe golf Club of Edmond, stands to benefit the most in the near future with coffee creek closing, and the growth of NE Edmond.

Ran off and banned members? How so?

And what is a master membership and what did that get you?

Ran off and banned members? How so?

Hard to summarize in great detail, but one of the things that made that clubhouse great, was the fact that its membership base was fairly young. (Mid to late 30s/early 40s) However, that brought with it, and great deal of drunken debauchery, and otherwise questionable activities. (Basically a frat house, with a golf course.) This new ownership group has cleaned house, trying to "change the image"
and in some individual incidents have asked a few "key members and member guests" to leave. Letting it be known, that they would not be allowed back on the property. Within this group of people, it is very cliquish....so, as a few heavy hitters left...so, did the minions. Sheep following the herd really.
There is a lot of drama/conflict right now, between members and management. But this isn't really the forum to air out anyone's dirty laundry.



What is a master membership and what did that get you?

I would assume, full access to the Pool/Facilities as well as full meal plans. I wouldn't know all the details, as I'm not Big Time Timmy Jimmy. (I'm just a guy who likes to play golf)

Hard to summarize in great detail, but one of the things that made that clubhouse great, was the fact that its membership base was fairly young. (Mid to late 30s/early 40s) However, that brought with it, and great deal of drunken debauchery, and otherwise questionable activities. (Basically a frat house, with a golf course.) This new ownership group has cleaned house, trying to "change the image"
and in some individual incidents have asked a few "key members and member guests" to leave. Letting it be known, that they would not be allowed back on the property. Within this group of people, it is very cliquish....so, as a few heavy hitters left...so, did the minions. Sheep following the herd really.
There is a lot of drama/conflict right now, between members and management. But this isn't really the forum to air out anyone's dirty laundry.
What is the problem with weeding out the douchebags?

What is the problem with weeding out the douchebags?

In theory...nothing at all.

Sale finalized last week.

Sale finalized last week.

That's a shame, Coffee Creek had a nice layout. The same people also own River Oaks. I hope they don't do the same thing there.

Just got this email

Dear Richard,

On January 12, 2017, Coffee Creek Golf Course was purchased by a new investment group. The new ownership has decided to close the golf course immediatley.

After 26 years of service to the golf community of Central Oklahoma, I want to say THANK YOU to all of our great customers that have enjoyed playing at Coffee Creek throughout that time. It has been a pleasure providing to you a top notch golf expereince since 1991. Wether a daily player, an event client, or just an occasional player on the weekends, my life has been enriched by knowing all of you. As I always teach the staff - "It is all about the people". I hope you remember all the good times at Coffee Creek, playing with your friends and family. That is what golf is all about.

After 26 years of operating Coffee Creek, I will miss it, as I am sure you will too.

A few technical issues to pass along.

If you have a gift card, we will be honoring those at River Oaks Golf Club. If you have a donation round we will also honor those at River Oaks Golf Club, although the restrictions might be slightly different. Please call us at River Oaks (405-771-5800) if you have any questions regarding either.

See ya at the course,

Andy

http://www.edmondsun.com/news/coffee-creek-golf-course-selling-hoa-plans-meeting/article_2bf52ae6-d448-11e6-80b6-efe626705b8b.html

Sounds like apartments could be a part of the new development. I expect things to get real ugly

I was looking at aeril maps of the development. Problem I see in redevelopment is most of the course in situated along creeks. How do you put a road and homes in a flood plane? The only real land that I can see that can be developed is around the club house. In the case of adding appartments then I would say that area would be the area that would go to apartment development. Maybe they can put in a few homes at the end of the culisakes with end into the golf course. I just don't get it. I don't get how they could develop the course. I thought some of that area was required green belt and storm water retention for the currant development. There is also two large ponds on the course. Only time I was on the property was at the auction of the previous horse farm.

http://www.edmondsun.com/news/coffee-creek-golf-course-selling-hoa-plans-meeting/article_2bf52ae6-d448-11e6-80b6-efe626705b8b.html

Sounds like apartments could be a part of the new development. I expect things to get real ugly

If luxury apartments over quality retail gets push back, then you know apartments right in the middle of existing housing will get all kinds of nay sayers.

If luxury apartments over quality retail gets push back, then you know apartments right in the middle of existing housing will get all kinds of nay sayers.

I think it depends. It we're talking more condo-ish, ownership type high end luxury apartments, it would do well there, and be welcome. But generic crappy apartments don't seem to be sustainable and almost always tend to fall into disrepair.

I also think it's understandable. This is a very different situation than someone buying a high end house next to an undeveloped lot. They purchased these homes while next to a golf course. It's reasonable to assume it'd remain.

This is such sad news. As a golfer who played many of rounds there, I will miss it. A different kind of track that had its own atmosphere. Yeah, they had issues with their greens every now and then, but at least it was a different setup and very enjoyable. Now Fairfax and Silverhorn will be packed. And you might as well forget playing at Kickingbird on decent days. Maybe River Oaks goes public??

I would guess the more enterprising real estate agents will be going door-to-door, seeking out listings. Seems like a lot of nice homes could be on the market in short order.

River Oaks Country Club - $4,350,000.00 E-mail
shRiver Oaks Country Club is a very nice 18 Hole Private golf course property. River Oaks has a one story 9,758 square foot clubhouse with a great restaurant that seats 50 with a separate area for formal functions that seats 150. They have an outside patio that will seat approximately 100 also. They have a full Bar Service and the restaurant is open daily for lunch but only opened two nights a week for members. The other nights the Restaurant and Bar are open for private bookings. The restaurant is served by a full size kitchen. There is an approximate 1,200 square foot pro shop in the clubhouse that offers a nice inventory of golf balls, tees, hats and golf apparel. There are also several executive offices for the management in the clubhouse. There is a barn type 4,800 metal golf cart storage facility that houses 80 electric golf carts. There is a separate 6,000 square foot steel maintenance building that houses all of the maintenance equipment which is all owned by the country club.
The golf course has a lot of character to it and it is both challenging and fun to play. The golf course has Bermuda Grass fairways and Penn G-2 Bent Grass greens. The golf course has 6.5 to 7.0 foot concrete cart paths that are in good shape. There are two practice putting greens and a practice driving range that will serve approximately 40 people at a time. River Oaks has an excellent water source with 5 working water wells with a capacity of 290,000,000 Gallons Annually. The wells were installed in 2011 and the pumps have a capacity of 1,250 gallons per minute. River Oaks has Zero water costs for buying water. River Oaks has the cash flow and management inclination to keep the property and the golf course in great shape.

Makes you just want to give a big F U middle finger to River Oaks. Or at least it does me.

Is that a real estate listing for River Oaks?

Makes you just want to give a big F U middle finger to River Oaks. Or at least it does me.

??

Same owners who just sold coffee creek. F them.

I think it depends. It we're talking more condo-ish, ownership type high end luxury apartments, it would do well there, and be welcome. But generic crappy apartments don't seem to be sustainable and almost always tend to fall into disrepair.

I also think it's understandable. This is a very different situation than someone buying a high end house next to an undeveloped lot. They purchased these homes while next to a golf course. It's reasonable to assume it'd remain.

I seriously doubt any multifamily zoning or housing change will happen at this location without a massive fight. I don't care how nice a condo complex is, if you are used to overlooking a golf course, you aren't going to like looking at any condo complex.

Considering when the people bought their houses adjacent to that land it was zoned for a golf course, I think residents should have a pretty good leg to stand on fighting a zoning change. Completely different than buying next to an empty lot.

Same owners who just sold coffee creek. F them.

Maybe, that's what I misunderstood. I read, that as someone posting the description/amenities of the golf course. But yes...if that course is also, now up for sale...that some crapola.

This is relevant and somewhat interesting: http://www.construction-today.com/sections/columns/1124-fore-how-to-convert-golf-courses

It makes you wonder how Coffee Creek is presently zoned. And I hadn't even considered the idea of environmental remediation--not that I'm saying Coffee Creek has any issues on that front.

This is relevant and somewhat interesting: http://www.construction-today.com/sections/columns/1124-fore-how-to-convert-golf-courses

It makes you wonder how Coffee Creek is presently zoned. And I hadn't even considered the idea of environmental remediation--not that I'm saying Coffee Creek has any issues on that front.

The Edmond zoning map (http://edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/2964) makes it appear that the golf course is zoned single family. Oak Tree, is zoned general agriculture.

Anyone have any news on this?

Has it ever been determined what exactly is going to happen here? I noticed this week that they're dismantling the big equipment barn that you can see from Kelly.

http://newsok.com/article/5556504

Looks like the first round of houses have been drawn up.


http://www.edmondsun.com/news/preliminary-plat-filed-for-coffee-creek-phase-iii/article_fd5e8cc6-6bf6-11e7-96c6-db747f0a66c9.html

The preliminary plat for Coffee Creek Phase III has been filed with the City of Edmond.
This item is tentatively set for hearing before the Planning Commission on Sept. 19, said Steve Murdock, city attorney.
The plat includes 191 lots and 181.91 acres of single family acres. Notes on the plat state the maintenance of the common area and the islands/medians in public rights-of-way shall be the responsibility of the property owners association.

A sidewalk plat must be approved by the city prior to its construction. Listed as the project owner and developer is SACC Investments, LLC of Edmond, according to the preliminary plat document.
The Coffee Creek Homeowners Association has been mobilizing to counter the development of what remains of a closed down golf course. The site plan will be filed at a later date and all matters must be approved by the Edmond City Council.
Several items have been mentioned as possible development opportunities for the project. The attorney for the Coffee Creek Homeowners Association, J. Kelley Work, told The Edmond Sun in June he could not confirm the number of apartment units, the size of commercial development, or whether there is proposed for the site a convenience store, or a nursing home. The Edmond Sun attempted to contact Work this week but learned he is out of the office until July 24.
The land is zoned for single family, attorney Randel Shadid, said on Tuesday. The only thing in writing is that he has filed for the developer the preliminary plat for single family platted lots on the land, he said.
“There’s no other uses right now being requested,” said Shadid, representing the developer and owner. “If we come back in the future on some of the other undeveloped property then they’ll have to file an application to rezone it.

“Right now there are no buyers and there are no uses proposed for anything else.”
Land is available that could come before the Edmond City Council to be considered for purposes other than single family, but that depends an market conditions, Shadid said.
“It’s all speculative right now,” Shadid said. “The only thing for certain right now is we’re asking for single family homes in the area we’re requesting to be platted.”

That's pretty terrible. All the houses on the south side will be right under those power lines. Will have a hard time selling.

That's pretty terrible. All the houses on the south side will be right under those power lines. Will have a hard time selling.

Agreed. It looks like they are preserving most of the frontage on Kelley and Coffee Creek for future commercial uses. And I'm guessing the common area in the middle has some wet lands or flood plain issues that would make development infeasible.

http://www.okctalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14005&stc=1


http://www.okctalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14004&stc=1

The plan is to attract a large gas station on the corner, the developer Kyle Copeland hopens someone like on cue or 7-11 would be interested

The plan is to attract a large gas station on the corner, the developer Kyle Copeland hopens someone like on cue or 7-11 would be interested

Seems like the traffic counts could be a bit low for an On Cue. Much lower than the other Edmond locations.

33rd and Kelly: 40,882
Broadway, Between 15th and 2nd: 32,674
Coffee Creek and Kelly: 12,369

Source: http://edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/2805

Agreed. It looks like they are preserving most of the frontage on Kelley and Coffee Creek for future commercial uses. And I'm guessing the common area in the middle has some wet lands or flood plain issues that would make development infeasible.

That is absolutely terrible. On those tiny lots you are going to be getting 1,000-1,500 square foot houses, and probably 50% of them will be rentals. It will completely destroy property values in Coffee Creek. I really hope the city blocks this, it is complete BS that one company can come in and completely, knowingly screw over hundreds of people.

Although, I've learned that I never want to buy a house in a golf neighborhood. Which is another problem if this goes through, it will hurt property values on ever golf course in the city.

That is absolutely terrible. On those tiny lots you are going to be getting 1,000-1,500 square foot houses, and probably 50% of them will be rentals. It will completely destroy property values in Coffee Creek. I really hope the city blocks this, it is complete BS that one company can come in and completely, knowingly screw over hundreds of people.

Although, I've learned that I never want to buy a house in a golf neighborhood. Which is another problem if this goes through, it will hurt property values on ever golf course in the city.

I seriously doubt this will negatively affect property values at, say, Oak Tree, or even Rose Creek, etc. I also seriously doubt someone is going to buy lots, build homes and then start renting them. Highly unlikely that will happen in the near term. I get people are upset but sometimes things happen you dont like. Whats the zoning of this? If its already residential Im not sure there a whole lot that can be done about it.

I seriously doubt this will negatively affect property values at, say, Oak Tree, or even Rose Creek, etc. I also seriously doubt someone is going to buy lots, build homes and then start renting them. Highly unlikely that will happen in the near term. I get people are upset but sometimes things happen you dont like. Whats the zoning of this? If its already residential Im not sure there a whole lot that can be done about it.

The developer claims that most of the land purchased from Coffee Creek is already zoned single-family residential. I think the hard corner at Kelley and Coffee Creek would likely need to be rezoned for an OnCue or a similar development. Although, then again, it may not because the Club House was arguably a commercial use.

I seriously doubt this will negatively affect property values at, say, Oak Tree, or even Rose Creek, etc. I also seriously doubt someone is going to buy lots, build homes and then start renting them. Highly unlikely that will happen in the near term. I get people are upset but sometimes things happen you dont like. Whats the zoning of this? If its already residential Im not sure there a whole lot that can be done about it.

Many cheap neighborhoods start out 30+% rental and just get worse. The only way it won't affect property values at other golf courses is if people are just ignorant of it. But why would anyone pay a huge premium for a golf view knowing in a few years it could become a bunch of cheap rental houses.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5584877/developer-homeowners-at-odds-with-plans-for-former-edmond-golf-course

They’ve now put up the large rezoning signs all over the propert. Expect this to start getting very heated.

They’ve now put up the large rezoning signs all over the propert. Expect this to start getting very heated.

Did you happen to notice if there was a particular zoning they're attempting to attain? Multi-family? Offices? Retail? Any indication?

They’ve now put up the large rezoning signs all over the propert. Expect this to start getting very heated.

https://newsok.com/article/5602958/proposed-edmond-development-met-with-neighbors-concerns

From your keyboard to their ears...

I know they don't like it but looking at the new plan I think this is best case scenario. THey are keeping a ton of green space, plus they aren't putting those tiny homes on the southern strip. The bigger lot are around the bigger homes, while most of the smaller lots are around those patio homes to the NE.

I don't know if it was an oversight, or they knew all along, but they should have rezoned this to Agriculture years ago in order to solve this problem.

What are the neighbors wanting? If its keeping the golf course, then they should have or should offer the money to buy it and then operate it. You cant demand someone to do something that isnt viable, unless you want to do it yourself. Always lots of opinions in Edmond on development that arent usually grounded in reality.

What are the neighbors wanting? If its keeping the golf course, then they should have or should offer the money to buy it and then operate it. You cant demand someone to do something that isnt viable, unless you want to do it yourself. Always lots of opinions in Edmond on development that arent usually grounded in reality.

I'm sure the neighbors could pay far more than what the developer paid to purchase the golf course (a couple million, I believe). The problem, of course, goes to the question of highest and best use. If things fall into place with commercial, new residential, and even mixed-use, the developer is sitting on an absolutely enormous amount of potential profit, and the neighbors are probably unwilling to compensate the developer for that potential.

I'm sure the neighbors could pay far more than what the developer paid to purchase the golf course (a couple million, I believe). The problem, of course, goes to the question of highest and best use. If things fall into place with commercial, new residential, and even mixed-use, the developer is sitting on an absolutely enormous amount of potential profit, and the neighbors are probably unwilling to compensate the developer for that potential.

Dont forget that the neighborhood, if they had bought it, would have found out real quick that its not fun pumping in money to a money losing enterprise (Coffee Creek Golf Course). As a golfer, Im no fan of seeing courses close. But the reality is that golf rounds are down and there are many courses north of 122nd.

I think this plan is about as good as a reuse of the property you can find.

Past the planning commission and getting rushed to the council.

https://newsok.com/article/5611976/edmond-panel-approves-rezoning

Looked over the plans and it seems like it will be a nice improvement for the city. I can understand the frustrations of the existing homeowners, but these things happen sometimes. Looks like it is going through. The shopping center at the NW corner of the development should be convenient. I also like the proposed improvements to Coffee Creek RD with the added capacity and bike lanes.

Masterplan
https://i.imgur.com/NJ1hnih.png

Access Plan
https://i.imgur.com/IZbrEyw.png

Street plans
https://i.imgur.com/9qXwULl.png

https://i.imgur.com/AD02Y1G.png

https://i.imgur.com/0mL1S3X.png

https://i.imgur.com/7BtWziw.png

This seems like a good thing for the city. I can understand why people are upset this, but things happen. I bet in the end the property values are increased. Coffee Creek gets bike lanes but only on the southside, or so it looks like. Hopefully this all happens fast so the there isn't long lasting, disrupting construction.

http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=10&get_year=2018&dsp=agm&seq=11423&rev=0&ag=5851&ln=61812&nseq=&nrev=&pseq=11428&prev=0#ReturnTo61812

I recently learned that a neighborhood near where I work used to be one of these golf course neighborhoods back in the 40s-50s and the course was shut down many years ago and more (smaller) houses were built in the former course land. So this kind of thing has been happening for a long time. Something to consider for anyone thinking of buying a house with a golf course in the future.