It’s just that Edmond has shot down so many developments of great potential the one that makes the angriest is 15th and Bryant shopping mall. That would’ve been an amazing development and extremely successful.

Wasn't that another one which morphed into multifamily housing?

Wasn't that another one which morphed into multifamily housing?
Well, yes, they had condos or upscale apartments proposed. But they also had a huge shopping center with underground parking plan, as well as a large landscaping barrier between that and Hayford Park, which I believe would’ve had connections. The people nearby just said no. didn’t want to talk or negotiate. I talked to the developer he was out of Atlanta. I never got direct confirmation of what exact retailers were going to go there, but there were some pretty exciting prospects.

Well, yes, they had condos or upscale apartments proposed. But they also had a huge shopping center with underground parking plan, as well as a large landscaping barrier between that and Hayford Park, which I believe would’ve had connections. The people nearby just said no. didn’t want to talk or negotiate. I talked to the developer he was out of Atlanta. I never got direct confirmation of what exact retailers were going to go there, but there were some pretty exciting prospects.

If memory serves, the iteration of that product which motivated the final initiative petition came after the retail project fell though and it was basically 'upscale' multifamily housing. And that's what often happens in Edmond, or in Oklahoma in general. Developers come in with one proposal and that proposal often keeps scaling back until you can't even recognize it anymore.

If memory serves, the iteration of that product which motivated the final initiative petition came after the retail project fell though and it was basically 'upscale' multifamily housing. And that's what often happens in Edmond, or in Oklahoma in general. Developers come in with one proposal and that proposal often keeps scaling back until you can't even recognize it anymore.

I thought the citizens were so against the retail/mixed-use party, that the developers removed that part to just have housing, like they were recommended, then the city still voted against it.

I thought the citizens were so against the retail/mixed-use party, that the developers removed that part to just have housing, like they were recommended, then the city still voted against it.

If it had been $500K+ homes on 1/3 acre lots, it would have sailed through the approval process. That's what's in the area now.

It'll be interesting to see how the Holiday Farm property, which is mostly in OKC Limits on Bryant between Memorial and 33rd.

This would be an opportunity for delelopers to do something without City of Edmond oversight, but still be within an area most consider Edmond proper. They could erase the stigma developers have in this town, and from what I've seen, that's what they're attempting to do. No 24 hour businesses, no outdoor music, no outdoor lighting. They're expanding the Wellington Park neighborhood. I hope it goes well.

If it had been $500K+ homes on 1/3 acre lots, it would have sailed through the approval process. That's what's in the area now.

It'll be interesting to see how the Holiday Farm property, which is mostly in OKC Limits on Bryant between Memorial and 33rd.

This would be an opportunity for delelopers to do something without City of Edmond oversight, but still be within an area most consider Edmond proper. They could erase the stigma developers have in this town, and from what I've seen, that's what they're attempting to do. No 24 hour businesses, no outdoor music, no outdoor lighting. They're expanding the Wellington Park neighborhood. I hope it goes well.

But those homes aren't good in a retail development. Think OAK. That is what is needed all over Edmond, and was proposed at 15th and Bryant, apartments over retail.

.33 acre lots are not conducive to a mixed-use environment.

And Samurai Jack.

Drawn Together was one of my favorites too

If memory serves, the iteration of that product which motivated the final initiative petition came after the retail project fell though and it was basically 'upscale' multifamily housing. And that's what often happens in Edmond, or in Oklahoma in general. Developers come in with one proposal and that proposal often keeps scaling back until you can't even recognize it anymore.
I could be wrong, but I think that one came after the original proposal to expand the existing shopping center.

This sounds perfect for the Southeast corner at 15th / I-35. It's heavily treed... but clear it but leave a tree buffer next to both neighborhoods for Parks & walking trail!

If memory serves, the iteration of that product which motivated the final initiative petition came after the retail project fell though and it was basically 'upscale' multifamily housing. And that's what often happens in Edmond, or in Oklahoma in general. Developers come in with one proposal and that proposal often keeps scaling back until you can't even recognize it anymore.

No, the big lifestyle center project fell through BECAUSE of the citizen petition to overturn the zoning or site plan, one or the other. Thats when the developer walked away. Then, after that there were multifamily housing only projects proposed that didnt happen because of NIMBY pushback as well. The retail project had opponents doing the "paved paradise to put up a parking lot" thing.

When NIMBYs push back on an ambitious project and get it withdrawn, they usually end up with fast food joints and cheap strip centers instead.

No, the big lifestyle center project fell through BECAUSE of the citizen petition to overturn the zoning or site plan, one or the other. Thats when the developer walked away. Then, after that there were multifamily housing only projects proposed that didnt happen because of NIMBY pushback as well. The retail project had opponents doing the "paved paradise to put up a parking lot" thing.

When NIMBYs push back on an ambitious project and get it withdrawn, they usually end up with fast food joints and cheap strip centers instead.

If it's on the old golf course...it should be single family housing that's consistent with what is already there...that should pass. If it didn't initially it was probably because residents were holding out hope that the golf course could be saved. Doing some huge lifestyle center with multi family developments there is just dumb and doesn't fit. If I had purchased a house on the golf course, I would already be pissed about the situation and the hit that my home value took. The prospect of my former golf course view turning into a bunch of apartments or a commercial development would be even more infuriating. When people in Mesta Park protested commercial or multi-family developments in Midtown or on 23rd...I thought that was comical and completely out of touch as those have been commercial areas for 70-80 years. I think it's equally dumb to propose commercial or mutlifamily developments that are completely out of character with their surroundings in the middle of a suburban neighborhood that's been around for 30+ years

If it had been $500K+ homes on 1/3 acre lots, it would have sailed through the approval process. That's what's in the area now.

It'll be interesting to see how the Holiday Farm property, which is mostly in OKC Limits on Bryant between Memorial and 33rd.

This would be an opportunity for delelopers to do something without City of Edmond oversight, but still be within an area most consider Edmond proper. They could erase the stigma developers have in this town, and from what I've seen, that's what they're attempting to do. No 24 hour businesses, no outdoor music, no outdoor lighting. They're expanding the Wellington Park neighborhood. I hope it goes well.

Hallmark Farms?

I grew up in Wellington Park across from the neighborhood park that backs up to that property. Hate that it's likely getting developed because it is a really cool piece of land but I supposed that was inevitable at some point.

Hallmark Farms?

I grew up in Wellington Park across from the neighborhood park that backs up to that property. Hate that it's likely getting developed because it is a really cool piece of land but I supposed that was inevitable at some point.

Yeah, I live in a (funny enough) unplatted lot in the middle of a bunch of HOAs adjacent to Wellington. We pay the money and use the pool and trails. Feeding the horses and donkeys was always something the kid loved to do, but Dick Sias couldn't live forever. Talking to some of the old timers in the neighborhood, he apparently ensured that the property would be expensive to develop as he didn't allow any utility easements across the property, even when it wouldn't have cost him much if anything to do it. The residence is for sale for $3.4 million, but if the zoning is approved, I'm guessing it's worth about 3x that.

But hopefully there are cool stores and restaurants the kid can ride her bike to. Whoever is holding on to the property right now needs to mow it soon though or someone might be tempted to report tall weeds/grass.

If it's on the old golf course...it should be single family housing that's consistent with what is already there...that should pass. If it didn't initially it was probably because residents were holding out hope that the golf course could be saved. Doing some huge lifestyle center with multi family developments there is just dumb and doesn't fit. If I had purchased a house on the golf course, I would already be pissed about the situation and the hit that my home value took. The prospect of my former golf course view turning into a bunch of apartments or a commercial development would be even more infuriating. When people in Mesta Park protested commercial or multi-family developments in Midtown or on 23rd...I thought that was comical and completely out of touch as those have been commercial areas for 70-80 years. I think it's equally dumb to propose commercial or mutlifamily developments that are completely out of character with their surroundings in the middle of a suburban neighborhood that's been around for 30+ years

I was responding to comments about Spring Creek/Hafer Park area proposals, not coffee creek.

If it's on the old golf course...it should be single family housing that's consistent with what is already there...that should pass. If it didn't initially it was probably because residents were holding out hope that the golf course could be saved. Doing some huge lifestyle center with multi family developments there is just dumb and doesn't fit. If I had purchased a house on the golf course, I would already be pissed about the situation and the hit that my home value took. The prospect of my former golf course view turning into a bunch of apartments or a commercial development would be even more infuriating. When people in Mesta Park protested commercial or multi-family developments in Midtown or on 23rd...I thought that was comical and completely out of touch as those have been commercial areas for 70-80 years. I think it's equally dumb to propose commercial or mutlifamily developments that are completely out of character with their surroundings in the middle of a suburban neighborhood that's been around for 30+ years
IIRC, and I’ll look this up later tonight if can find it, what was proposed was to keep the golf course but reduce the number of holes. Smaller homes would have been built on the part of the golf course they would close and a greenway would have been constructed in between the homes to connect with a small “town square” type development at Coffee Creek and Kelly. The buildings would have been 2-3 stories max with retail/restaurant at the bottom and either office space or apartments/condos on top. I don’t ever remember seeing they were set on apartments.

They(the residents) didn’t care about any of it they just said no. Typical Edmond fashion.

Now regarding the other poster claiming it’s due to racism and whatever that’s ridiculous. I’m sure there is some of that is present but I’d chalk this up to just NIMBYism which I don’t agree with those types but to say they’re just a bunch of racists is a bit much. Some of them just live in a little bubble and want it to stay that way. This is something new and they don’t understand it so they don’t like it.

Also there was another strip mall type development on the opposite corner and that was shot down. These people are just NIMBYs. They got theirs and don’t want anything else built that could/will make the area busier. Understandable? Sure. Unreasonable? Sure. It’s totally up for debate and my opinion these people are the reason Edmond is going to fall behind if we can’t start to build anything better than cookie cutter strip malls and tract lots. If OKC ever experiences an Austin style boom and a large scale master planned community somewhere pops up somewhere it’ll make Edmond look like Del City in an instant when people see how real, actually high end suburbs really look like and the types of developments that come with them.

Also there was another strip mall type development on the opposite corner and that was shot down. These people are just NIMBYs. They got theirs and don’t want anything else built that could/will make the area busier. Understandable? Sure. Unreasonable? Sure. It’s totally up for debate and my opinion these people are the reason Edmond is going to fall behind if we can’t start to build anything better than cookie cutter strip malls and tract lots. If OKC ever experiences an Austin style boom and a large scale master planned community somewhere pops up somewhere it’ll make Edmond look like Del City in an instant when people see how real, actually high end suburbs really look like and the types of developments that come with them.

That is a great point. I also think a lot of people who live in these areas and oppose new development don't realize a lot of people coming up behind them do want that type of development and will pay a premium to live close to them. I think a lot of people who are concerned about property values are actually hurting their property values by opposing good plans that are close to them.

a new, well executed development that is easy to access is a huge asset for any existing residential property.

IIRC, and I’ll look this up later tonight if can find it, what was proposed was to keep the golf course but reduce the number of holes. Smaller homes would have been built on the part of the golf course they would close and a greenway would have been constructed in between the homes to connect with a small “town square” type development at Coffee Creek and Kelly. The buildings would have been 2-3 stories max with retail/restaurant at the bottom and either office space or apartments/condos on top. I don’t ever remember seeing they were set on apartments.

They(the residents) didn’t care about any of it they just said no. Typical Edmond fashion.

Now regarding the other poster claiming it’s due to racism and whatever that’s ridiculous. I’m sure there is some of that is present but I’d chalk this up to just NIMBYism which I don’t agree with those types but to say they’re just a bunch of racists is a bit much. Some of them just live in a little bubble and want it to stay that way. This is something new and they don’t understand it so they don’t like it.

Exactly. What a dumb argument lol.

Exactly. What a dumb argument lol.
Yeah that was bizarre. I know some on here may think I just want Edmond to become some major big time city and anyone who opposes any mixed use development must be a NIMBY but I understand reasons for people wanting single family neighborhoods to stay low density single family areas. It’s just irritating that EVERY single development in Edmond and there’s been very nice ones that have been proposed that aren’t the typical type get opposed especially anything with apartments.

That is a great point. I also think a lot of people who live in these areas and oppose new development don't realize a lot of people coming up behind them do want that type of development and will pay a premium to live close to them. I think a lot of people who are concerned about property values are actually hurting their property values by opposing good plans that are close to them.

a new, well executed development that is easy to access is a huge asset for any existing residential property.

Very true. There's a vocal minority that laments all the redevelopments and investments being made in downtown, as if its harming the entire town. They dont realize that its 1)downtown and this is the first place you might see some density, 2) that theres demand for this stuff, and 3) like you mention, they think this is hurting nearby property values but in fact are doing a good job at increasing values.

https://www.theclub-edmond.org/
https://golfoklahoma.org/new-edmond-golf-academy-culmination-of-dream-for-graves-brothers/

Awesome new concept coming.

https://www.theclub-edmond.org/
https://golfoklahoma.org/new-edmond-golf-academy-culmination-of-dream-for-graves-brothers/

Awesome new concept coming.

Now that seems like a good win/win for everyone that keeps the course alive (at least some of it)!!! What a cool deal for Edmond!