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Martin
03-06-2017, 08:59 AM
Heard this morning on NPR that you will get the licenses from a central hub instead of a tag agency. Basically you have to prove who you are again then they mail you the new ID.

I forsee some long lines in the future.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b4/41/1e/b4411ea6a7feb36b10b078d39d90aafd.jpg

FighttheGoodFight
03-06-2017, 09:10 AM
Shawn Ashley: Well the federal REAL ID Act was passed back in 2005, but in 2007 the Oklahoma legislature decided that Oklahoma was not going to comply with it and passed a law prohibiting compliance. Much of the reasoning behind that law had to do with privacy concerns, that the information collected for our drivers licenses would be shared with other states, with the federal government and, ultimately, perhaps even foreign countries. Those concerns remained and even were a part of the discussions regarding House Bill 1845, which the governor did sign. Now that that bill has been signed, Oklahomans will not immediately get a REAL ID compliant license. Instead, what will happen is, sometime over the next several months, the Department of Public Safety will contract with a provider to do that work. What’s going to happen is our licenses are going to be centrally issued. Rather than getting them at your Department of Motor Vehicles, where you go to renew your tag and do things like that, it will be mailed to you from a central secure location. Additionally, as Senator Ralph Shortey, for one, warned on the Senate floor, for example, there will probably be some lines in that process. Like we have to do when we get our first driver's license now when we’re 16 years old, you’re going to have prove all over again who you are. So this process will take a little longer and then you will receive your license in the mail. Probably the process will begin in 2018.

Source:http://kgou.org/post/week-capitol-real-id-passes-finish-line-sp-downgrades-state-credit-rating

Martin
03-06-2017, 09:31 AM
yeah... the last time i went to the dmv was when i first got my license. that experience was enough for one lifetime. in fact, waiting in that forsaken line felt like a lifetime. i really, REALLY hope it does not turn out this way.

jerrywall
03-06-2017, 10:18 AM
yeah... the last time i went to the dmv was when i first got my license. that experience was enough for one lifetime. in fact, waiting in that forsaken line felt like a lifetime. i really, REALLY hope it does not turn out this way.

The relevant section of the bill -


a.Application for an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
shall be made to the Department of Public Safety.

b. Department of Public Safety employees shall perform
all document recognition and other requirements needed
for approval of an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
application.

c. Upon approval of an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
application, the applicant may take the approved
application document to a motor license agent to
receive a temporary driver license or identification
card.

d. The motor license agent shall process the approved
REAL ID Compliant or REAL ID Noncompliant Driver
License or Identification Card application and upon
payment shall provide the applicant a temporary driver
license or identification card. A temporary driver
license or identification card shall afford the holder
the privileges otherwise granted by the specific class
of driver license or identification card for the
period of time listed on the temporary driver license
or identification card or the period of time prior to
the applicant receiving a REAL ID Compliant or REAL ID
Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card,
whichever time period is shorter.

It's annoying, but no more so than getting a passport. The most annoying thing is having to go two places.

d-usa
03-06-2017, 10:39 AM
I've had to go through more hoops to get my daughter enrolled in Pre-K at Deer Creek.

jerrywall
03-06-2017, 11:37 AM
It should be noted that the DPS now lets you schedule appointments online, in advance. It does cost $3.75, but it makes the process so much nicer. We've used it for both of my sons' written exams and the eldest's driving test. You can book an appointment for just about any of their services.

bombermwc
10-19-2017, 07:56 AM
So we're still not actually making progress on this....and 8 other states aren't really either.
https://www.ok.gov/dps/Real_ID_Enforcement.html

I dont really understand what's so difficult about making the changes here. We've been through the whole discussion about whether or not we agree with it. We've discussed WHY we disagree (although i would argue that once i pointed out what the law ACTUALLY said, there seemed to be a drastic silence in conversation. It's amazing what people decide when they actually READ the law instead of go by hear-say). But the point still stands that the federal law isn't going to change, and the list of states that are noncompliant keeps getting shorter. Which also means that the likelihood of continuing to get an extension gets smaller and smaller.

Hey, i've already got a passport, so this won't bother me at all. And i'll say again, if you are against the law, you better go get your passport now because you're going to have to have it in 6 months unless something big happens on Lincoln Blvd (and when does anything happen on Lincoln Blvd). And remember all those things you hated about the realid law (or at least you thought were part of it), well you're going to give that up plus a heck of a lot more when you get that passport. Congrats.

I know this seems like a rant, and it really is. If you disagree, im really not harping on you. My frustration is really with the legislature of Oklahoma that continues to be butt-backwards about so many things. Even when energy was skyrocketing, we still had a deficit. We're going on how many years of not doing anything but cutting hundreds of millions on budgets because we can't remove tax breaks on the companies that lobby to get people in office. Sounds a lot like the fed legislature right now too.

jn1780
10-19-2017, 09:28 AM
Did you miss the news a few months ago about the compliance law being passed? It takes time to put those procedures into effect. The federal government will keep passing extensions now that there is actual progress being made on this. They keep granting extensions to states that give its residents the option to pick which type of license they want so its a safe bet they grant at least two more years worth of extensions.

Jersey Boss
10-19-2017, 10:07 AM
It does not take over a decade to put these procedures into effect. You are being intellectually dishonest as the legislature is. Had the leadership in the state worked with the Federal government as the 32 states not needing this extension, there would be no problem. Don't take it for granted that the Federal government will keep giving the state government more and more extensions, especially when they are doing nothing to move forward on this mandate. A passport would be a good bet with the leadership representing the state.

jn1780
10-19-2017, 10:19 AM
Am I missing something here?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/oklahoma-now-has-real-id-law-but-don-t-get/article_efb510c8-3816-58f5-a895-30c151a2ba25.html


The Department of Public Safety said the measure will be implemented within 24 months to 30 months of the state signing a contract with a vendor.

Oklahoma actually does something positive. No one reports on it. Go figure.....

And its intellectually dishonest to say no progress has been made on this. Its in the hands of the DPS now.

Jersey Boss
10-19-2017, 10:25 AM
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-receives-another-real-id-extension.-heres-why-its-likely-not-enough/article/5568611
The fact is the mandate was implemented 10 years ago. What is so unique about Oklahoma that they are still out of compliance 10 years later? Oh yeah, wasting time and resources on unconstitutional social issues.

TheTravellers
10-19-2017, 10:37 AM
So we're still not actually making progress on this....and 8 other states aren't really either.
https://www.ok.gov/dps/Real_ID_Enforcement.html

I dont really understand what's so difficult about making the changes here. ...

Wife converted from a contract employee for the Tourism Dept. to a temporary state employee, had to fill out multiple forms for OMES for direct deposit, had to take one to the bank to get *them* to fill out parts of it, needed to be faxed or mailed to the State Treasurer's office (she works from home, not at a state building, for this assignment). Then they do a test deposit of $0.01, *then* she finally gets paid. Every single company I've worked for across the country has had *one* form to fill out by me (no bank involved), just the basic info of name, address, account info, and boom, you're done. That's emblematic of what's so difficult about OK complying with REAL ID.

stile99
10-19-2017, 10:55 AM
Am I missing something here?

Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

jn1780
10-19-2017, 11:45 AM
Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

This quote from the DPS commissioner suggest otherwise.

“There have been many questions recently about Oklahoma’s status regarding REAL ID. DPS is actively working towards making Oklahoma REAL ID compliant and will use this time to gain compliance with the requirement. We strongly appreciate Governor Fallin’s leadership in signing REAL ID into law,” DPS Commissioner Michael C. Thompson said.

If you want to say Fallin is holding things back, I'll buy that argument. She is ultimately responsible for the enforcement of the law and the agencies. Legislatively, the DPS has everything they need to make this happen. The DPS would be signing the contract, that's how bureaucracy works. They may have already hired a consulting agency to help them implement this for all we know. The daily operations of a government agency is pretty boring to the average person and not likely to be reported on.

Bunty
10-19-2017, 01:21 PM
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-receives-another-real-id-extension.-heres-why-its-likely-not-enough/article/5568611
The fact is the mandate was implemented 10 years ago. What is so unique about Oklahoma that they are still out of compliance 10 years later? Oh yeah, wasting time and resources on unconstitutional social issues.

http://kfor.com/2017/10/19/oklahoma-granted-real-id-extension-until-oct-2018/

jompster
10-19-2017, 02:00 PM
At least we're good at kicking the can down the road indefinitely.

KayneMo
10-19-2017, 02:03 PM
For any fellow Choctaw Nation members, the tribe will start issuing a new CDIB/Membership/Photo ID card in January 2018 that will be REAL ID compliant.

bombermwc
10-23-2017, 04:26 PM
Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

That's my problem...yeah they say they are finally moving on it at the capital, but only in words. No actions show that they actually are DOING anything. In order to sign with a vendor, first you have to have defined the requirements and started an active search. 10 years after the federal law was past, and we still dont have that. Sort of like the Republicans in Congress voting down the ACA for 7 years but not actually spending any of that time coming up with an alternative.

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 08:26 AM
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/766112076/planning-to-fly-a-year-from-now-better-double-check-your-drivers-license?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR1e4OnoCjOmD-l0HfMO0fBr-hGKY0FTaWo3oZHOG5vvYc_nGzp8xPoSrWI
Interesting article from NPR. Does anyone know what the status is with REAL ID for Oklahoma? Last I saw, it was still a work in progress.

Jeepnokc
10-02-2019, 09:20 AM
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/766112076/planning-to-fly-a-year-from-now-better-double-check-your-drivers-license?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR1e4OnoCjOmD-l0HfMO0fBr-hGKY0FTaWo3oZHOG5vvYc_nGzp8xPoSrWI
Interesting article from NPR. Does anyone know what the status is with REAL ID for Oklahoma? Last I saw, it was still a work in progress.

From last night's news

https://kfor.com/2019/10/01/oklahomans-may-not-be-able-to-fly-in-9-days-due-to-real-id-non-compliance/

jedicurt
10-02-2019, 09:32 AM
this reminds me... i need to get my passport renewed...

LakeEffect
10-02-2019, 10:02 AM
"Beginning October 1, 2020, every air traveler 18 years of age and older will need a REAL ID-compliant driver’s license or another acceptable form of ID to fly within the United States."

https://www.tsa.gov/real-id

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 10:26 AM
Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 10:30 AM
"For people who don't have a passport and are waiting to fly domestically, we know this is nail biting for them. We don't like it either, but we're hopeful we'll get that extension, and we're hopeful we'll hear about it any day now," Stewart said."
From above KFOR report. Fun times at the airport if extension not granted in time.

CloudDeckMedia
10-02-2019, 10:41 AM
David Ostrowe - Gov. Stitt's Sec'y of Digital Transformation & Administration - is actively working on making the Oklahoma DL RealID-compliant, according to this August 2019 piece. https://kfor.com/2019/08/06/another-real-id-extension-what-it-means-for-oklahomans/

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 10:59 AM
David Ostrowe - Gov. Stitt's Sec'y of Digital Transformation & Administration - is actively working on making the Oklahoma DL RealID-compliant, according to this August 2019 piece. https://kfor.com/2019/08/06/another-real-id-extension-what-it-means-for-oklahomans/

That piece also mentioned that Homeland security says they have not gotten the extension, even though Stitt's office says they were told that the extension is granted.
We are one of the last states to get this done. Why?
Now this poor guy Ostrowe wants to beta test Mobile ID, go live in April 2020 and then get entire state enrolled by October 2020? Fun.

Rover
10-02-2019, 11:10 AM
That piece also mentioned that Homeland security says they have not gotten the extension, even though Stitt's office says they were told that the extension is granted.
We are one of the last states to get this done. Why?
Now this poor guy Ostrowe wants to beta test Mobile ID, go live in April 2020 and then get entire state enrolled by October 2020? Fun.

I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

Teo9969
10-02-2019, 11:26 AM
Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

Oct 10 2019 is when our current extension runs out. Were we to get another extension it's essentially "last-call". There will be no more extensions granted beyond 10/1/2020

gopokes88
10-02-2019, 11:38 AM
Thank god ive got a global entry card

jerrywall
10-02-2019, 11:42 AM
I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

I'm impressed the Tea Party developed a time machine to grab Fallon and fly back to 2007 and force the innocent Democrats and Brad Henry to pass a bill blocking the implementation of the real ID (a Bush/Patriot Act initiative). Yes, that's a more logical answer than the fact that there were privacy concerns with many people across party lines, and if you look at other states and their adoption fights and timelines (even the blue states) you'll see similar.

It did take us longer than it should have to repeal that law. But let's not make some tea party boogyman be the villain here, as much as some folks like to inject their political points.

Rover
10-02-2019, 11:47 AM
I'm impressed the Tea Party developed a time machine to grab Fallon and fly back to 2007 and force the innocent Democrats and Brad Henry to pass a bill blocking the implementation of the real ID (a Bush/Patriot Act initiative). Yes, that's a more logical answer than the fact that there were privacy concerns with many people across party lines, and if you look at other states and their adoption fights and timelines (even the blue states) you'll see similar.

It did take us longer than it should have to repeal that law. But let's not make some tea party boogyman be the villain here, as much as some folks like to inject their political points.

You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

gopokes88
10-02-2019, 11:56 AM
You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

You do understand the tea party wasn't a thing till 2009 right? That's his entire point. Blaming this on the "tea party" is absurd, it didn't exist.

jerrywall
10-02-2019, 12:02 PM
You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who needs their history lesson. Unless you're claiming Connie Johnson is a member of the tea party (she wrote the bill blocking the DHS implementation, and causing us to miss out on the federal grants to cover the costs, which delayed our implementation even longer). Now, the support for blocking the implementation was bipartisan (IIRC there was zero opposition, and no nay votes on the bill), and it was signed in by Henry. So again, please, tell me how the organization that started in 2009 pushed through this block in 2007? I'll be over here waiting.

And I guess this is why California and New York fought so hard against it too; those reddest of red states (I mean hey, California implemented it last year, although they messed it up, and did it wrong, so even this year there was lots of confusion, but at least they did something I guess?)

When the Real ID was introduced in 2005, the Patriot act had lost lots of it's support across the country. By 2007 the Iraq was war unpopular, and pretty much all states had active opposition to the implementation of the Real ID compliance. They've pretty much all had to be dragged kicking and screaming into implementation. Our bill made it worse, at it prohibited taking lots of actions which would have laid the groundwork for compliance. There were multiple attempts over the years to get the 2007 law repealed, but it was only recently that they finally got it passed (so shame on the legislature for taking so long there). But to minimize this down to R vs D is silly, and unneeded. I don't share the privacy concern folks have, but I don't dismiss it as simple partisan politics either. There's a lot of resistance to a national ID, and they didn't do a very good job explaining what the Real ID act was.

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 12:57 PM
Putting aside the political to-and-fro, I do find it interesting that both global entry card and PIV card can be used as alternate, but TSA Pre check cannot. I had PIV card, and it seemed like TSA pre check was much harder to obtain.

BoulderSooner
10-02-2019, 01:37 PM
Putting aside the political to-and-fro, I do find it interesting that both global entry card and PIV card can be used as alternate, but TSA Pre check cannot. I had PIV card, and it seemed like TSA pre check was much harder to obtain.

there is no tsa precheck card is there?

LakeEffect
10-02-2019, 02:45 PM
Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

The extension for Oklahoma runs out October 10, 2019.

For ALL Americans, the TSA is allowing travel through October 1, 2020 for anyone without an ID that is compliant with Real ID.

My understanding is that, after October 10, 2019, however, if you need to entire a federal facility that requires Real ID, you WILL need it. That's the hairy part that isn't seemingly answered by the news stories, but maybe I've missed it.

CloudDeckMedia
10-02-2019, 02:51 PM
The extension for Oklahoma runs out October 10, 2019.

For ALL Americans, the TSA is allowing travel through October 1, 2020 for anyone without an ID that is compliant with Real ID.

My understanding is that, after October 10, 2019, however, if you need to entire a federal facility that requires Real ID, you WILL need it. That's the hairy part that isn't seemingly answered by the news stories, but maybe I've missed it.

So an Oklahoma DL is OK for air travel, but not a federal courthouse?

Edmond Hausfrau
10-02-2019, 10:01 PM
there is no tsa precheck card is there?

Well, it's not actually a card, but no. TSA pre check doesn't count as REAL ID. Which is a bummer.

d-usa
10-03-2019, 05:44 AM
Well, it's not actually a card, but no. TSA pre check doesn't count as REAL ID. Which is a bummer.

Considering that Real ID pretty much focused on, well, an ID card, it seems to make sense that programs that don’t have an ID card have problems counting as a valid ID card.

jonny d
10-03-2019, 05:58 AM
I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/real-id-compliant-states/

A lot of very blue states on the list of states not Real-ID compliant.

EDit: article is outdated. Only Oregon, Oklahoma, and New Jersey are non-compliant now.

Rivalyn
10-03-2019, 09:49 AM
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-receives-real-id-extension-through-sept-18-2020-officials-say/29351163

jerrywall
10-03-2019, 10:36 AM
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-receives-real-id-extension-through-sept-18-2020-officials-say/29351163


I had expected this. With us in the process of implementation, and with some of the roll out issues going on still in some states I'd be shocked if they wouldn't have granted the extension.

FighttheGoodFight
10-03-2019, 12:59 PM
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-receives-real-id-extension-through-sept-18-2020-officials-say/29351163

Also Gov. Stitt said this is the last extension needed and they roll out next year. Seems like a good resolution to the whole situation.

Laramie
10-29-2019, 06:22 PM
OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – As state leaders get ready for the REAL ID Act to go into effect next year, they are releasing what the state’s compliant driver’s licenses will look like in the future.



https://localtvkfor.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/drivers-license.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=740&h=408&crop=1

According to the latest timeline given to the Department of Public Safety by the vendor, the project maintains its progression toward the estimated target date of April 2020 for initial rollout. Additionally, full statewide implementation will be completed by September 2020,” the state’s latest extension request read.

gopokes88
10-29-2019, 06:40 PM
That’s a pretty cool design tbh

SoonersFan12
10-29-2019, 07:29 PM
That’s a pretty cool design tbh

I agree! It is much better than our boring blue background right now

bombermwc
10-30-2019, 08:30 AM
I like the new one.

Remember, a lot of the RealID was the back end too. Information sharing was one of the big things (R's esepcially) complained about because it shared data with Mexico and Canada. The actual physical changes to the OK ID were minimal. It was really more on the IT infrastructure side that was going to change. People weren't comfortable with sharing the info. Except the alternative was a Passport, in which case you gave up a WHOLE LOT MORE information and it was shared too. So you could gripe about it and share it, or sign the act and share it. The fight at the captial (and in a lot of state capitals) was just pandering to the constituents because this was Federal and it was going to happen whether we like it or not. And you were going to have your information shared, whether you liked it or not.

If you look waaaaaay back on this thread, we had a lot of peeing contest about opinions. I have a post that lined out the actuals from the law itself.

OkiePoke
10-31-2019, 09:16 AM
Is there an app to have a digital ID?

LakeEffect
10-31-2019, 11:32 AM
Is there an app to have a digital ID?

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/oklahomans-can-download-mobile-id-app-this-week/article_af06e9d7-3f0c-5471-b100-472076189aec.html

Coming today or tomorrow...

Plutonic Panda
01-09-2020, 06:54 PM
Looks like OK Real IDs will be available April 30th and mandatory to fly by October.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/oklahoma-to-issue-real-ids-april-mandatory-to-fly-next/article_ae5d3a34-70d4-58d8-8239-40169908d75e.html

Bunty
01-09-2020, 11:05 PM
So everybody is going to have to find their birth certificate and social security card and more stuff?

shawnw
01-09-2020, 11:15 PM
yep. might be easier to just get a passport. still need birth cert, but not SSC and other stuffs.

Bagelhammer
01-10-2020, 09:51 AM
I’ve been doing my best to kind of demystify the process for friends and family:
There’s a checklist on the OK Department of Public Safety website, but in essence you need 4 distinct forms of identification that prove lawful presence in the USA, social security number, and two that prove your current address respectively. Some TLDR options are:

1. Lawful Presence: US Passport, Birth Certificate, or one of the various legal Residency documents
2. Social Security: Social Security card, Current W-2 or 1099 tax form, Pay Stub with SSN
3. (x2) Address: Vehicle Title or Registration, Utility Bill, W-2 or 1099 from the previous year, various proofs of insurance for Automobile, Life, Homeowner/Renter.

A lot of people I’ve interacted with have voiced concern over proving their SSN, but there are reasonable alternatives for it. Assuming someone has left the country within the last several years, paid taxes, and has a car they have all the documentation necessary.

That being said, I see no cons to just using a passport or passport card for the convenience.

jn1780
01-10-2020, 07:16 PM
This is totally pointless when you think about how much of your information is already out there. Is so the Federal government can pretend like they dont already know everything about you while reminding you who is in control?

Talk about Security Theater.

mugofbeer
01-10-2020, 08:14 PM
I’ve been doing my best to kind of demystify the process for friends and family:
There’s a checklist on the OK Department of Public Safety website, but in essence you need 4 distinct forms of identification that prove lawful presence in the USA, social security number, and two that prove your current address respectively. Some TLDR options are:

1. Lawful Presence: US Passport, Birth Certificate, or one of the various legal Residency documents
2. Social Security: Social Security card, Current W-2 or 1099 tax form, Pay Stub with SSN
3. (x2) Address: Vehicle Title or Registration, Utility Bill, W-2 or 1099 from the previous year, various proofs of insurance for Automobile, Life, Homeowner/Renter.

A lot of people I’ve interacted with have voiced concern over proving their SSN, but there are reasonable alternatives for it. Assuming someone has left the country within the last several years, paid taxes, and has a car they have all the documentation necessary.

That being said, I see no cons to just using a passport or passport card for the convenience.

But.... but.... but.....isn't it racist and discriminatory to have to obtain lDs?

mkjeeves
01-11-2020, 05:22 PM
My passport renewal with ID card came in the mail today. I’ll be getting a new OK real ID when it’s convenient for me.

Teo9969
01-12-2020, 01:55 PM
my license expires 3/31/2020. Anyone know what it costs to get a new ID?

I can't remember how long a license can be expired before you have to take the driving exam again, is it immediately?

Laramie
01-12-2020, 08:07 PM
my license expires 3/31/2020. Anyone know what it costs to get a new ID?

I can't remember how long a license can be expired before you have to take the driving exam again, is it immediately?

My son's license expired some years ago; he had to take & pass the written test again. Wasn't allowed to operate a vehicle until he passed the test & renewed with fees paid (temporary license isued); they mailed his official license within 30 days.

Below is a link with the fees listed by the Department of Public Safety for Oklahoma drivers' license and personal identification:

https://www.ok.gov/dps/Renew_an_Oklahoma_Driver_License_ID_Card/Fees.html

Included in the link above is information/documents needed for your REAL ID (see Click here for more information after opening the link).

ctchandler
01-12-2020, 08:31 PM
Would it be rude to mention that my license renewal is free? Of course, I'm old and no longer drive so I think I would be more than happy to pay if I wasn't so danged old.
C. T.

mkjeeves
01-12-2020, 08:39 PM
It's a shame the state website is so poor you can't get an answer to those simple questions. I looked.

This site says 60 days before you have to pay a late renewal fee. 2 years before you have to retest. https://www.etags.com/blog/drivers-license/oklahoma/

i would talk to a tag agent.