Bunty,
This is not a place for political comments. The subject can be discussed without getting into politics. You can start the same thread name in the political section, your political comments don't belong here! Your comments are welcome otherwise. Not trying to be argumentative, just my opinion.
C. T.
ps. Sorry, I just noticed Jerrywall's comment that pretty much says what I said.
Then I quite strongly gather you and jerrywall don't appreciate my political remarks, because you are both Republicans, who are looking forward to voting your incumbent state Republican legislators back in office. What a damned shame, if true.

It's not easy to escape the politics of Real ID ban since it came from the State Capitol.

And here I thought they didn't appreciate your off-topic political comments because this isn't the politics forum. How silly of me.

Then I quite strongly gather you and jerrywall don't appreciate my political remarks, because you are both Republicans, who are looking forward to voting your incumbent state Republican legislators back in office. What a damned shame, if true.

It's not easy to escape the politics of Real ID ban since it came from the State Capitol.

Bunty,
Actually, I just don't enjoy a good conversation if politics have to take center stage. That's why after I visited the political area when I first enjoyed this group, I have never gone to it again. Life's too short. There is a place for everything and that's why somebody started the "Politics" forum. I'm a moderator of a Yahoo group where anything is allowed, but the rule is, provide enough information in the "Subject" line to allow members to avoid things they don't enjoy. Our subject line works like the forum names on the OKCTalk and allow us (me) to participate in things that are interesting to me, and avoid those that are not. A few of our OKCTalk members have made this thread that I am interested in not "enjoyable" for me, so my option is to quit viewing it or suggest to those folk to reserve political comments for the proper forum. It is obvious that they are not willing to do that, so I will bow out and just avoid this particular thread.
C. T.

I started this thread thinking that this should not be a political issue. No Oklahoman wants a driver's license that doesn't allow them to fly on commercial aircraft or be denied access to federal government property. Any legislator still talking about having about having an optional Oklahoma driver's license that is not Real ID compliant is just ignoring common sense and national security. This is a "get 'er done" issue, the faster the better. That's why I feel my proposed a 3 day special session of the legislature to solve our problem is warranted. If we start issuing Real ID compliant driver's licenses by January 1st and make all driver's licenses expire in 2017, we solve Oklahoma's problem by the end of 2017.

An opinion piece from Reason (libertarian-leaning) on the national REAL-ID. Rather short and slightly mocking in nature as it makes the point that people are already amping up the fake IDs and are still passing them even with some of these new standards:

http://reason.com/archives/2017/01/10/now-more-than-ever-we-need-fake-id

IMO, the REAL-ID has always been about a NATIONAL ID (or really international) with a single database as the core for easier monitoring of us (criminals and non-criminals alike) by these "entities." It's more than just about being able to fly (as Reason points out above, they're scaring us into compliance with their own propaganda). It's about having a debate about what little sovereignty we have left as independent individuals in this country. By applying a national ID stamp on each of us, we lose value as individuals and are all syphoned into a big server where we are, make no mistake, tracked and monitored. What do you all think a Fusion Center is? There's one in Norman (or was).

*Removes tinfoil hat*

Not going to argue with anyone, just posting for additional perspective.

I agree with you. We already have a national ID. It's called a social security number, and there is a reason we do not have them on our state-issued licenses now. The whole thing is a huge crock of crap.

From what I understand, there's no "national" part of this act. It's about minimum standards in the production and granting of state ID's. The information is still retained at the state level.

From what I understand, there's no "national" part of this act. It's about minimum standards in the production and granting of state ID's. The information is still retained at the state level.

You may technically be correct, but there are national uniform standards that are needing to be met.
Every ID, while they may still have our own states and details on them, will be the same under the hood.

The more people learn about the actual technical details on this, the more people realize it's not the big brother end of the world that uber-libertarians are trying to make it out to be. I'm a democratic moderate (although registered republican), so just to put that out there. I guess some would call be liberal though based on how i view a lot of things....depends on what audience you're talking to.

In the beginning, about half of the states were against this. But dont believe all the bullcrap you read on why. A lof of those issues were simply funding issues. It was not as though the whole country was fighting the "guberment" on this thing. Slowly, but surely, we could see more states getting this resolved until in the last year, the list of "non-compliant" states was down to what you can count on one hand. Oklahoma being one of them. And at this point, any discussion of what we THINK is the problem here, the law isn't going to change. So you have two options as an Oklahoman....regardless how much you piss and moan, these are your options:

1 - Continue fighting a battle until OK is the only state left and no one outside of OK gives a flipping crap about it anymore. This means, go ahead and start your paperwork for a passport since you wont be able to use your driver's license at any airport (including those in OK). Hey, I've already got one, what do i care....and they're good for a lot longer than a driver's license. The information you're SOOOO concerned about, is all given up to the federal database when you get that passport too. So either way, you're going to give up the info. And now it's going to be in the federal database, not just the state's.

2 - Get over our misguided views on how this whole thing works and get the state legislature to get off their stupid butts and get our state in line with the rest of the country. At the end of the day, unless you just decide to never get on an airplane again (or enter any federal building), then you're going to have to do this. And no amount of pissing and moaning is going to change it.

Just a correction - The number of compliant states is 25 plus DC.

https://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories

I don't have the number of fingers on one hand to count the non compliance and extension states.

There are 17 extension states not in compliance, 6 limited extension states not in compliance (or which Oklahoma is one), and 7 non compliance states with no extension. So still the majority. And the reason I think we'll keep seeing extensions.

I guess it depends on which government agency you look at the map for, because there are others out there that paint a VERY different picture. Not that it matters, because it's still not going to change no matter how much pissing and moaning people do.

I guess it depends on which government agency you look at the map for, because there are others out there that paint a VERY different picture.

I'd assume the DHS is the authority. Since it's their area.

Meanwhile, Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter have been tracking everything everybody does for 10+ years. It is our reality. Nothing is private. Get over it.

Meanwhile, Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter have been tracking everything everybody does for 10+ years. It is our reality. Nothing is private. Get over it.

everything on the internet*

Meanwhile, Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter have been tracking everything everybody does for 10+ years. It is our reality. Nothing is private. Get over it.

I don't participate in social media (yea, I'm one of those so called "weirdos"), so stuff like this matters to people like me.

And this is why I won't get into an argument regarding this subject (please don't confuse my opinions below as "fighting words").
Based upon this response and bombers, there's this idea of "oh well, you need to get over it and succumb to it regardless of what you believe or what is true. Everyone else is doing it."
You can say I'm wrong, that's fine. I'm only saying that this is, more or less, a form of national ID. This information is fed into something called "fusion centers" (they are real- there's one in Norman- and they funnel biometrics, etc. back, analyze, and then funnel further upstream as required to government entities). Because this the new America - we're all suspects to an extent. And I already responded to the notion that we'll all still have our own state IDs; they'll all have the same engine under the hood. So the paint job won't matter.

Call me an "uber-libertarian," or bring up the black helicopters (or mock like has already been done), whatever. I only want open discussions with this subject and want the real guise of why we "need" this. I can only imagine a number of the people who are pushing this were probably vehemently against the PATRIOT Act years ago (and this is a big reason why I can't take left-leaning people seriously anymore - they don't even fight or care for individual privacy like in the past). The worst things are sold to us under the premise of security.

An honest conversation is all we need, not condescension and mocking. As long as people are made aware, that's all I can do and say.

But my point is, if you look at the alternative, you're just as bad off. If we don't get in compliance, you'll have to go with the passport and you'll have to direct offer up the exact same type of information to the federal government in order to get your passport in order to fly/etc. That's my main reason for seeing this whole thing is complete pointless at this point. We've spent YEARS arguing the case, but it hasn't changed anything.

Really, i think i'd rather have a federal ID myself and not have so many different rules between states. Things like what age you can legally have a learner's permit, points/etc. In some cases, standardization of laws just makes more sense so they aren't sporadic. Some people view it as a state's rights issue. That's fine and i can respect that. I just feel like there's a time at which it's time to let the case go and move on to fighting for something more important. Let's talk education and infrastructure funding. Lets talk term limits. Lets talk racial and gender issues. And that's being said based on what i said at the top. One way or another, you're going to be giving up this information, so why not just get in compliance and move on?

As Mitchell said, your digital life has far more broad and detailed information than the government could ever hope to collect on you. Last time i checked, the government didn't spend effort collecting your browsing data. If you're a "big brother" kind of person, think about all that digital data. It could be used for so much more than just throwing the right advertisement your way. GPS data for where you drive, who you call, email, etc. The list goes on and on. And if it's been collected, that means it's been replicated, backed-up, shared with another party, replicated again, backed-up again, etc. That little picture you took with your phone made its way around the world in about 10 minutes folks.

I don't participate in social media (yea, I'm one of those so called "weirdos"), so stuff like this matters to people like me.

Posting on a message board like this one is basically the precursor to modern social media, and makes you more trackable than you might think.

Meanwhile, Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter have been tracking everything everybody does for 10+ years. It is our reality. Nothing is private. Get over it.

Not if you know what you're doing.

Not if you know what you're doing.

About the only way you stay *completely* 'off the grid' is...pay cash for everything, and I mean everything, and when you get your cash, never use an ATM, use a direct bank teller, and when you get paid, don't use direct deposit (unless your employer doesn't give you a choice and won't issue you a physical check anymore). And even *then* the IRS knows almost all it needs about you - then again, they did a long time ago - waaaaaaay before Apple became more than just a fruit in a pie.

Not if you know what you're doing.

Actually, what you think you're doing to "protect" your data.....not really doing anything. If you have an internet service (either at home or on your phone), guess what, logs track everything. Every cell provider, ISP, etc tracks and stores data for some period of time. Remember that tidbit about it being replicated too? As someone else said, unless you live in the 1960's and dont use any plastic for anything at all (or a bank), then you're being tracked. Ever cashed that paycheck, well i guess you got tracked by the bank or the check casher.

The illusion of privacy is just that. Which is probably partly why the younger generation wasn't freaked out by the cell phone "scandal". The reaction was more, "well duh".

Actually, what you think you're doing to "protect" your data.....not really doing anything. If you have an internet service (either at home or on your phone), guess what, logs track everything. Every cell provider, ISP, etc tracks and stores data for some period of time. Remember that tidbit about it being replicated too? As someone else said, unless you live in the 1960's and dont use any plastic for anything at all (or a bank), then you're being tracked. Ever cashed that paycheck, well i guess you got tracked by the bank or the check casher.

The illusion of privacy is just that. Which is probably partly why the younger generation wasn't freaked out by the cell phone "scandal". The reaction was more, "well duh".

If you go through a proxy you limit the amount of data out there about you. If you do Dave Ramsey's course then you use cash for most things anyway. No, I don't think you can be totally off the grid, but you can certainly mitigate it. But your philosophy is that if someone knows a little about you then you might as well give it all up.

I can just see you if you had been in Germany in 1938. "Hey guys, might as well get in line and goose step. No use fighting it, you're gonna have to do it anyway."

Just to be clear yet again, the Real ID is NOT a federal ID. There is no federal ID database, and information is still kept at the state level like it is now. It's a series of requirement and standards for STATES to follow when issuing and creating IDs.

Oklahoma has had plenty of time to get into compliance. It's 2016, now we're scrambling to get our ducks in a row.

Oklahoma put more energy into non compliance than they did compliance; evident by the passage of a law in 2007 that said our state wouldn’t comply with the Real ID Act.

In the meantime, if you haven't done so, go ahead, get your passport.

Wow I never realized so many people went to extreme ends to be unidentifiable" I have nothing to hide, and I'm certainly not going to make my everyday life more difficult because some data corp or whoever might find my address.

Wow I never realized so many people went to extreme ends to be unidentifiable" I have nothing to hide, and I'm certainly not going to make my everyday life more difficult because some data corp or whoever might find my address.

I don't think I go to extreme ends. Not partaking in social media is just a choice I made long ago for various reasons. I ultimately have no need for it. And it's a bigger scale than just "not having anything to hide," which is the de facto argument many people go to in discussions like these.

And methods like using cash have other benefits than just minimizing a footprint. I see some reference to Dave Ramsay - that being one of the things. It can help you budget weekly and make you think twice before you purchase items when you have to hand over physical cash and you realize you'll have less of it. And, it's virtually impossible in this country to be completely off-grid. But, people should have the right to try and minimize themselves if they so wish without being criticized and mocked.

But, back on this subject, I have a passport. Which yes already has that info, but at least I don't have to worry about compliance for now.

Not if you know what you're doing.

Being 'off the grid' in this context is mostly a myth IMO. Sure, you can use cash..... But, do you own a home? Do you have utilities in your name? Do you own a car? Do you own a cell phone? If 'yes' - then, sorry friend, you're on the grid.

In a few clicks I can find a lot about most people utilizing those accounts and one's similar. And.... the resources grow by the day. A very useful database I utilize on a growing basis is tag reader scanners. I have tracked down many people for clients simply by knowing their vehicle tag and then searching it in databases all over the country. The history of those tag scans also often gives you a pretty decent look at their routine, where they live, who they visit and where they work. It's spotty at this point, but growing at a very rapid pace.

As for cash. I'm a Dave Ramsey fan and have mentioned him in posts before for his common sense approach to finances. That said. I'm not a fan of his eagerness to use mostly cash. I find I start the week with $200 and by Friday its gone and I have no idea where it went. I found I needed to keep an electronic registry just so I'd know where the money went. Well, if I'm doing that, then I'm creating a digital footprint of my spending, so I might as well be using my card - which is my preferred method of payment.

If you go through a proxy you limit the amount of data out there about you. If you do Dave Ramsey's course then you use cash for most things anyway. No, I don't think you can be totally off the grid, but you can certainly mitigate it. But your philosophy is that if someone knows a little about you then you might as well give it all up.

I can just see you if you had been in Germany in 1938. "Hey guys, might as well get in line and goose step. No use fighting it, you're gonna have to do it anyway."

That's some first rate bull. And a big screw you for making a comparison to Hitler. Because a topic about a driver's license (and again, i would bet about 10000% that you dont actually know the facts on what is involved in this and are acting on what you read others say and not for you reading (and understanding) the law itself) is totally the same thing as a dictator that tried to commit genocide, is personally responsible for so many deaths, and is in history as one of the worst examples of what mankind can do.

yeah, totally the same thing....ass.

That's some first rate bull. And a big screw you for making a comparison to Hitler. Because a topic about a driver's license (and again, i would bet about 10000% that you dont actually know the facts on what is involved in this and are acting on what you read others say and not for you reading (and understanding) the law itself) is totally the same thing as a dictator that tried to commit genocide, is personally responsible for so many deaths, and is in history as one of the worst examples of what mankind can do.

yeah, totally the same thing....ass.whether the poster's comparison was fair or not, you need to tone it down. certainly you can make your point without resorting to "screw you's" and assorted name calling.

If you go through a proxy you limit the amount of data out there about you. If you do Dave Ramsey's course then you use cash for most things anyway. No, I don't think you can be totally off the grid, but you can certainly mitigate it. But your philosophy is that if someone knows a little about you then you might as well give it all up.

I can just see you if you had been in Germany in 1938. "Hey guys, might as well get in line and goose step. No use fighting it, you're gonna have to do it anyway."

Glad to see Godwin's Law go into full effect on this thread!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Glad to see Godwin's Law go into full effect on this thread!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Yeah, now we just need a 'wake up, sheeple' and the Ben Franklin misquote about liberty and security for the trifecta.

Glad to see Godwin's Law go into full effect on this thread!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Oh lighten up, Francis. It was a loose reference to Seinfeld. I don't recall the exact thing Jerry said but he made some comment to George about if they'd been in Nazi Germany he would see George goose stepping by in line with the others who would just go with the flow to get by.

whether the poster's comparison was fair or not, you need to tone it down. certainly you can make your point without resorting to "screw you's" and assorted name calling.

I will not accept being compared to Hitler, period.

I will not accept being compared to Hitler, period.

the post didn't compare you to hitler.

the post seemed (to me, at least) as a reductio ad absurdum of "nothing you do is private, so get over it" with the scenario "nazis are entrenched in 1930's german government, so get over it"

i'm not taking a stance as to whether or not that's a fair or valid comparison to make, but it certainly didn't seem to warrant you flipping your lid over.

the post didn't compare you to hitler.

It did compare him to a Nazi collaborator.

Thank you jerrywall.

ANYWAY, with that nonsense put aside, lets get back to discussing the actual topic.

So my whole point in this thing is that if you educate yourself on what the law is saying and dont just rely on second-hand information or opinion posts here, then i think your perspective on the issue would change quite a bit, being very much less against it. And if you consider what your alternatives are, you're going to be happier with the new law than the alternatives.....but again you have to process all of the details on what each means and not just jump to a conclusion against "big brother". I dont like taxes, but i understand their need and pay them anyway (whether i want to or not).

Here's a high level detail rundown, since it's been a while since anyone discussed the main points.
Data Requirements - nothing crazy here
Full legal name
Signature
DoB
Gender
Unique ID number
Residence address
Front facing photo
security features

Documentation to get the ID - this information will be scanned into the STATE DMV database. But of course, the state already has this information. It's about keeping a second copy in a single place rather than it being spread out. It's really more duplication of data than obtaining it....you've already given it all up.
Photo ID, or non photo ID with full legal name and DOB....ie Birth Certificate
documentation of DOB, See above
documentation of legal status, ie SSN
Documentation with legal residence

Document Verification
Most of this is left to the discretion of the state. Even your SSN verification can be done via tax forms. Things like your I-9, mortgage, etc work for some of this

Linking of Databases
Each state agrees to share data with other states. Note that's STATES, not Federal. The crazy part of this wasn't even signed into law, and this portion isn't even being considered a factor for "certification".

Foreign Sharing
Canada and Mexico are allows to join the states in compliance with the NADLA. I'm not a fan of this, but this law came in 1994 so it predated me even having a driver's license by a few years. There is oversight on this though through that law. For more information, research NADLA.

That's a 10k foot level view. PLEASE read more on your own. There are many sources of LEGIT information out there. I would suggest you read the official sources rather than information on wikipedia or special interest websites. Like any research project, the validity of the source makes a BIG difference. I do not see the big brother aspect in this other than the states that are anti-fed (and often those being Repiblican....not saying that in a partisan way, its just a statistic) wanting to keep feds out of their basket.

So what happens if we do not comply? Your ONLY option is to go out and get a passport.
Give them your state ID....say what? Am i going to have that now?...shock
Birth Certificate, guess what, the data is captured from it for certification and processing. You dont just get handed a passport 5 minutes after you walk into an office. It's a drawn-out process to say the least. Anyone that's done this knows it can take at LEAST a month.
2x2 photo...walgreens will do these, but you do have to pay for it.
Fees, it's almost $200 right now for a new application. Renewals are almost as bad.
And all of that information is processed a million times over in several federal databases and shared across agencies before it's approved. Your application just made its way around every federal agency faster than you can say "i feel violated".

So again, read the actual law and then let's come back and talk. I think you'll find there to be a very different story than our ass-backwards legislature has led you to believe. These are the same people that still are trying to say fracking doesn't cause earthquakes. #facepalm

So again, read the actual law and then let's come back and talk. I think you'll find there to be a very different story than our ass-backwards legislature has led you to believe. These are the same people that still are trying to say fracking doesn't cause earthquakes. #facepalm

Agreed. I just don't see the problem with this.

This story from KFOR actually predates this last tirade on the conversation, but it looks like the state is already on-board with getting compliant this legislative session.

http://kfor.com/2017/01/03/oklahoma-receives-real-id-extension-through-june-2017/

There isn't much in there, nor in the letter the state wrote back to the feds. Only says that the governor, house, and senate are all in agreement to resolve the issues this session. So i guess our entire discussion on this ended up being a waste of time because we're going to become compliant within the next few months anyway.

Progress - http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/senate-house-panels-pass-bill-to-implement-real-id/article_7f8e5ca0-5727-555d-8faa-a064acd65258.html

I wish one of the articles would elaborate on what the proposed changes at the state level are that bring us into compliance. I'd like to see it spelled out as to where we were lacking (beyond the rhetoric of big brother b.s.).

I wish one of the articles would elaborate on what the proposed changes at the state level are that bring us into compliance. I'd like to see it spelled out as to where we were lacking (beyond the rhetoric of big brother b.s.).
Why do you have such a hardon for this? You have whined and cried about anyone disagreeing with you this whole thread. Your basic argument is, "It's gonna happen anyway so you might as well get over it." That's never a good reason to be okay with something. Do you have some vested interest in this or something? Other than being afraid that Oklahoma is going to look backwards to the rest of the counrty. That's too often a motivator around here and it's a bad one.

Here's a scenario that I recently found out.

Friend of mine travels for work, he works at the corporate HQ of a large local company with stores all over the US and flies to stores all over the country to do his job. (I'm sure you can guess what company)

He does not have a passport and he cannot get one because he owes a certain amount of child support, I think he said over 5 or 6k. I know he said his child support payments now come directly out of his check but he still has a balance.

He will probably lose his job if he can't fly to his job sites anymore and because of this ordeal, his child support debt will keep adding up and that child won't be getting that money each month. Very much a lose/lose situation because Oklahoma isn't compliant with RealID.

It's worth finding out what exactly it was that made Oklahoma's legislature so paranoid.

Well, the bill that is going to be heard on the floor next week would give Oklahoman's a choice on choosing the real ID or not, so if someone is that paranoid and chooses not to be able to fly or enter a federal facility or military base, they can do so.

I wish one of the articles would elaborate on what the proposed changes at the state level are that bring us into compliance. I'd like to see it spelled out as to where we were lacking (beyond the rhetoric of big brother b.s.).

I know of a couple... the state will have to ensure a certain level of security at any place an ID is issued, and there is special training that anyone who issues an ID will have to undergo in order to recognize fraudulent documents. I have no problems with either of these, but I expect we'll have to raise license fees (again) to offset the increased costs.

Otherwise, we actually comply with most of the ID requirements and record keeping rules already.

Why do you have such a hardon for this? You have whined and cried about anyone disagreeing with you this whole thread. Your basic argument is, "It's gonna happen anyway so you might as well get over it." That's never a good reason to be okay with something. Do you have some vested interest in this or something? Other than being afraid that Oklahoma is going to look backwards to the rest of the counrty. That's too often a motivator around here and it's a bad one.

Why the hostility? Seems more than a bit gratuitous. Aren't we all here to discuss matters that concern Oklahoma City in specific and Oklahoma in general? I wouldn't think wondering about the details of this decision, whether you agree with it or not, would be invalid discussion material. In fact I would go so far as to suggest that's the entire reason, lock stock and barrel, for this forum to even exist. Some of the early reports had no information at all other than "they've agreed to resolve the issues". How is the question "How?" NOT relevant? Some later reports seemed to indicate what Jerry posted...there will be multiple forms of driver's license or state ID, and if you really think the REAL ID is the worst violation of privacy to ever happen, you'll be free to opt out, with all the pros and cons that come with that.

I would like more details myself. I would REALLY like more details on this various different kinds of driver's license idea, if that's the way it is going to turn out. I would REALLY like to know what the proposed cost of each tier would be. Will you be able to carry both types simultaneously? Or are the people who just renewed going to be expected to pay again already?

Looks like there are a lot of questions that need answering, and we probably don;t even have all the questions yet. It's a nice day, go outside and take a walk around the block and settle down a little.

Why do you have such a hardon for this? You have whined and cried about anyone disagreeing with you this whole thread. Your basic argument is, "It's gonna happen anyway so you might as well get over it." That's never a good reason to be okay with something. Do you have some vested interest in this or something? Other than being afraid that Oklahoma is going to look backwards to the rest of the counrty. That's too often a motivator around here and it's a bad one.

It doesn't matter at this point. Oklahoma will always be backwards. We are pretty much on the Mount Rushmore of obesity, stupidity, religion overkill, guns, trucks, red dirt, ....

It doesn't matter at this point. Oklahoma will always be backwards. We are pretty much on the Mount Rushmore of obesity, stupidity, religion overkill, guns, trucks, red dirt, ....couldnt agree more.

It doesn't matter at this point. Oklahoma will always be backwards. We are pretty much on the Mount Rushmore of obesity, stupidity, religion overkill, guns, trucks, red dirt, ....

Then why even be here? No one's forcing you to live here. If you feel that negatively about Oklahomans, then find a place that fits more with your world view. I was born and raised here and guns, trucks, red dirt, religion are all part of Oklahoma. Too many on here are motivated by how we look to those in other states. Worrying about how uncool you believe other people are going to think you are is something an 8th grader worries about.

It doesn't matter at this point. Oklahoma will always be backwards. We are pretty much on the Mount Rushmore of obesity, stupidity, religion overkill, guns, trucks, red dirt, ....

This is just BS. We have a great business environment. Portland was just a couple weeks ago bragging about their first openly transgendered police officer. Welcome to OKC 20 years ago. Yeah, plenty of religion, but I'm not religious and it doesn't get in my face. Red dirt? Oh no! One of the best IT sectors in the country (part of the IT triangle). I'm not the leave it or love it type but honestly if somebody wants to spew this stuff, then why even come here?

OK at first i thought i was nuts, but both posts i made to this forum yesterday seem to have disappeared. One here and one about another topic. Was there something going on yesterday morning?

OK at first i thought i was nuts, but both posts i made to this forum yesterday seem to have disappeared. One here and one about another topic. Was there something going on yesterday morning?

The site was down for a bit yesterday, and when it came back, it seemed like posts from yesterday morning were lost...

When the site was down, there was an error about database problems. The database that stores all of the forum posts probably had to be rolled back to an earlier snapshot to restore service.

The Real ID law had previously passed both houses and Governor Fallin signed it into law this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/GovMaryFallin/status/837399759425961984


I just signed into law the first bill of the 2017 Legislative Session! #RealID #HB1845 #OKLeg

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Here is the law on the OK Legislature site if anyone is curious to go digging into it: http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=HB1845

Does anyone know how this will work with people who have a driver's license that doesn't expire for a while? Mine is good until 2019 and I'm assuming that by next year I won't be able to use it for flying.

Does anyone know how this will work with people who have a driver's license that doesn't expire for a while? Mine is good until 2019 and I'm assuming that by next year I won't be able to use it for flying.

That's been my question, and it hasn't been firmly answered but all signs point to "pony up the new full amount for a renewal or carry your passport".

Does anyone know how this will work with people who have a driver's license that doesn't expire for a while? Mine is good until 2019 and I'm assuming that by next year I won't be able to use it for flying.

It will take a couple of years to put all the measures into place, but now that Oklahoma is making an effort to get into compliance, the federal government is more likely to give another extension. So you may be fine with your license.

That's been my question, and it hasn't been firmly answered but all signs point to "pony up the new full amount for a renewal or carry your passport".

That's not a problem for me, LOL. I'm the free license age bracket.

i believe you are able to go get a new one taken (have to pay for it) once the new system is all in place, but that the expiration date would just be what it was still. So just like if it's stolen/lost, you keep the same date, you just pay for a new piece of plastic. Far cheaper and less of a pain than getting a passport. I'd call your tag office to make sure on that once the rules have a chance to get settled in. Mine's up in July, so we'll see where they stand then.

Heard this morning on NPR that you will get the licenses from a central hub instead of a tag agency. Basically you have to prove who you are again then they mail you the new ID.

I forsee some long lines in the future.