Why? Gundy is the best coach in OSU history by a pretty wide margin. He's done a fantastic job.

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Who's the kid here?

We've never even TRIED to see what Boone's money is worth. Gundy is a good CEO, but he just doesn't have what it takes to win. He just skates by each season, frequently wresting defeat from the jaws of victory, and the local media does its best to convince fans that OSU shouldn't ever will a championship and this is as good as it gets. It's not dissimilar from how the media was out of the loop with the nation's electoral leanings. Almost all of the alums I know are pretty much done with Gundy at this point.

There are a lot of good coaches that would reasonably take the job and be a good fit in Stillwater. I don't want the best coach out there, for instance PJ Fleck would come but wouldn't be a good fit IMO. However Mike Leach would fit like a glove. Even bringing Les back to see what he could with the advantages that now exist in Stillwater (thanks to Boone, not Gundy). A lot of other good former Cowboys assistants who are having success... Doug Meecham, Todd Monken, Dana Holgorsen, Larry Fedora, etc.

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OSU literally has 1 conference championship 40 years. It's not unreasonable to expect one a little more frequently nowadays. If Gundy lacks what it takes, which clearly he does, we owe it to Boone to find someone who can bring home some hardware.

I was surprised at the ineffectiveness of OSU's passing game.

You have to try to pass. Getting stuffed at the LOS or a lateral pass for no gain is much easier, and the best way to stick it to a fanbase that half of which wants him gone, and that was before the annual Gundy Sweepstakes 4 Raise.

We only attempted a single pass longer than 20 yards, which was by far our strength all season. James Washington's avg catch was 21 yards before that "game", so no wonder he was hardly involved. Gundy literally said he was afraid of passing. Too bad Stoops isn't afraid of Gundy.

There were two moments this season that probably sealed the deal on his remaining-unsigned contract. The first had to be the CMU game. Then when Barry Sanders Jr. got us almost within FG range with time for 3-4 plays and 1 TO, and we just ran the clock out for halftime. Not even attempting to compete.

Are you kidding me?

Okay. Good luck with the post-Gundy era. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Absolutely. People need to stop singling out the darkest days in OSU history (the 90s) as the bar that Gundy consistently meets or exceeds. OSU spent $280 million at just BPS, and more at the Athletic Village and GIA. The basketball program fired Ford lured in the top coach available last off-season, and the results in his rebuilding year have been near very encouraging. Underwood is going to be a winner, but not expecting a tourney run in his first season cleaning up the disaster left by Ford.

Gundy is just a whinier more expensive Travis Ford. To be fair, Ford was better than 2-10 against OU, posted winning (technically) records, and he still had to be let go.

Other football programs have gotten a lot more bang out of a lot less buck: Louisville, Oregon, Baylor (even if they had done things the right way), A&M, Washington, Stanford, Michigan* (the lone school that spent more than OSU), Houston, etc. Houston and Louisville keep bringing in a string of hot new coaches bc of their recruiting turf.

When's the last time a coach besides Les Miles (who again didn't have facilities) really left Stillwater? People act like anybody but Gundy would flee within a year. It's amazing how the town's population keeps growing despite all these constantly fleeing coaches from our championship programs (well, except football).

Gundy is just a more expensive Ford.

Annnnnddddd... you've lost credibility on the topic.

A lot of inaccuracies in your sports posts (e.g., Patrino is not a "new" coach). Also, I don't think Gundy's salary is even in the top 20 of coaching salaries and is lower than a number of schools coaching salaries you listed (like David Shaw). Heck, Michigan is paying Harbaugh almost three times what OSU is paying Gundy. You're getting a bargain. Anyway, whatever. Fire Gundy and we'll see what happens.

Source: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/college-football-coaching-salaries-highest-paid-contract-nick-saban-urban-meyer-jim-harbaugh-102616

Annnnnddddd... you've lost credibility on the topic.

A lot of inaccuracies in your sports posts (e.g., Patrino is not a "new" coach). Also, I don't think Gundy's salary is even in the top 20 of coaching salaries and is lower than a number of schools coaching salaries you listed (like David Shaw). Heck, Michigan is paying Harbaugh almost three times what OSU is paying Gundy. You're getting a bargain. Anyway, whatever. Fire Gundy and we'll see what happens.

Source: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/college-football-coaching-salaries-highest-paid-contract-nick-saban-urban-meyer-jim-harbaugh-102616

OSU pays Gundy what he's worth. He is about the 22nd (or whatever his salary rank is) most competitive coach. The issue isn't that OSU is unable to pay more.

Bobby Petrino or however you spell it is Louisville's Les Miles, or Rutgers' Greg Schiano. However, Louisville has consistently replaced departing coaches with another very good coach.

I honestly wish we had a coach that was worth more than $3.6 million. What we get for $3.6 million is a football brand that isn't even exciting enough to fill the stadium in the last three seasons.

P.S. Gundy's contract actually gives him the potential for up to $4.7 million, which is in the Top 10. Of course, that ranking depends on him winning trophies that prevent another coach from getting such a bonus.

OSU has traditionally been a very mediocre football program. There were only three times in history they won 10 games in a season prior to Gundy. Under Gundy, they have won 10 games or more in four of the last six seasons. He is without a doubt the best coach they've ever had. Jimmy Johnson couldn't do it and jumped for a better job. Les Miles couldn't do it and he jumped for a better job. One of the big reasons Gundy got the job to begin with was OSU was sick of being treated as a steppingstone job and wanted a coach that would be loyal and see it as a career job. Gundy has not let them down.

Jim Traber said on the sports animal today that any OSU fan that didn't value Gundy was an idiot. He said he had impeccable sources that Gundy just turned down an offer from Baylor for 60 million over 10 years...

The speculation was that he didn't accept it because he's in serious discussions with Oregon. He's apparently sick of Boone Pickens negative comments and feeling unappreciated...

Any hot young coach that OSU may get, if successful, will only see it as a steppingstone job to a really good job... be careful what you wish for...

And it's fair to argue that OSU's program is in its best position ever with great facilities, but lots of programs have upgraded their facilities in recent years too. Lack of history and location provide natural challenges. OSU fans should expect success, but don't take for granted that OSU is beating the Texas' and TCU's of the world with regularity because those are good programs with good facilities (Texas is actually on another level as a top 5 overall program). Gundy is a great, great coach. Don't take him for granted because before you know it you'll have the "up and coming" Larry Fedora going 6-6.

Just a little perspective. http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/mike-gundy-whats-accomplished-nationally-impressive-last-10-years/

As an outsider and a fully-admitted Sooner fan, my opinion may be considered tainted, but FWIW...

I've always thought Mike Gundy was one of those special coaches that was a rare custom fit for a program that needed exactly that kind of fit - just like Kirk Ferentz at Iowa. I think Gundy *wants* to stay at OSU indefinitely, but also knows the outsiders of the world don't get just how hard it is to build a consistent winner anywhere, let alone in a very rural area in a state dominated by a traditional power like Oklahoma. Yet that's exactly what Gundy's managed to do. And I think he's insisted on doing it his way, meaning that some of the sketchier types Les Miles brought in where going to be given their walking papers. He stuck to his guns on that, too.

I've heard from a couple of places that, yes, some OSU boosters are tired - very tired - of Gundy's constant flirtations with other schools and more specifically his less-than-consistent attendance at some of the so-called "flesh-pressing" events that college football demands. Fair enough. But those at OSU who are willing to throw away that baby with the bathwater had better be prepared to deliver a candidate that can give them both the willingness to stay and the ability to recruit that Gundy has demonstrated. It just isn't as easy as it might seem, and a bunch of 10-win seasons can soften the idea of just how hard that is to accomplish.

As an outsider and a fully-admitted Sooner fan, my opinion may be considered tainted, but FWIW...

I've always thought Mike Gundy was one of those special coaches that was a rare custom fit for a program that needed exactly that kind of fit - just like Kirk Ferentz at Iowa. I think Gundy *wants* to stay at OSU indefinitely, but also knows the outsiders of the world don't get just how hard it is to build a consistent winner anywhere, let alone in a very rural area in a state dominated by a traditional power like Oklahoma. Yet that's exactly what Gundy's managed to do. And I think he's insisted on doing it his way, meaning that some of the sketchier types Les Miles brought in where going to be given their walking papers. He stuck to his guns on that, too.

I've heard from a couple of places that, yes, some OSU boosters are tired - very tired - of Gundy's constant flirtations with other schools and more specifically his less-than-consistent attendance at some of the so-called "flesh-pressing" events that college football demands. Fair enough. But those at OSU who are willing to throw away that baby with the bathwater had better be prepared to deliver a candidate that can give them both the willingness to stay and the ability to recruit that Gundy has demonstrated. It just isn't as easy as it might seem, and a bunch of 10-win seasons can soften the idea of just how hard that is to accomplish.

100% agree.

I fully respect that OU fans need Gundy to stay put so that OSU never tries to take that next step.

Lucky for you guys, it looks like he won't be able to get hired on anywhere else after today's Oregon announcement, and we know OSU is going to conservatively just let him serve out his existing contract.

It looked like he'd stoop to Baylor to get away from us, but would he go as low as Group of 5 (Houston)? Houston might not offer to him bc they see themselves as a program that beats OU.

I fully respect that OU fans need Gundy to stay put so that OSU never tries to take that next step.

Just to be clear, as an OU fan, I fully expect OSU to take a step back without Gundy. So, feel free to hire someone to take "that next step," but I am far more scared of OSU with Gundy than without him. And, by the way, Gundy isn't the first successful coach to struggle with a rival. Heck, a lot of Nebraska fans wanted Tom Osborne fired because he couldn't beat Barry Switzer. But they stuck with him and won three titles in the 90s. It's easy to think hiring an up and coming coach will result in better results, but it actually usually doesn't work out that way...

I fully respect that OU fans need Gundy to stay put so that OSU never tries to take that next step.

Lucky for you guys, it looks like he won't be able to get hired on anywhere else after today's Oregon announcement, and we know OSU is going to conservatively just let him serve out his existing contract.

It looked like he'd stoop to Baylor to get away from us, but would he go as low as Group of 5 (Houston)? Houston might not offer to him bc they see themselves as a program that beats OU.

C'mon, Spartan, I was not saying "Gundy needs to stay so OU can keep beating him." I was trying to offer some semblance of an objective opinion about Gundy. As that annoying OU fan, I remember the dark OSU days of Jim Stanley and even Jimmy Johnson where 50-60 point wins were routine. I remember a Sunday Oklahoman article from about 1977 or thereabouts after OU had beaten them, and the headline read over a photo of Johnson leading them onto the field, "Sour end to sour year." Gundy's done a great deal to erase that legacy.

If you want to argue that Gundy has taken OSU as far as he can take them, I might begin to buy into that, but I'm not sure how many coaches are going to come into their very own Jerry Jones/George Steinbrenner situation where they're always looking over their shoulder to see if the guy who writes the checks is hacked off about something. And I suspect the behind-the-scenes dustups between TBP and Gundy are probably a great deal more telling than any of us realize.

This isn't about keeping OSU down. It's about realizing what Gundy's accomplished in a *very* difficult situation, and the risks attendant in saying "Ok, thanks, but that's not good enough." You can take the risk, but it's a seriously dangerous double-edged sword, and if that change happens without the expected next-level success just before the Big 12 goes the way of the dodo in 2025 (or whenever), one might find OSU in a particularly untenable situation. It isn't just as simple as "Please plug in the next Big Time Winning Coach!" Just look at Texas.

They could always replace Gundy with Charlie Weis.... worked out so well for my Jayhawks.

I fully respect that OU fans need Gundy to stay put so that OSU never tries to take that next step.

Lucky for you guys, it looks like he won't be able to get hired on anywhere else after today's Oregon announcement, and we know OSU is going to conservatively just let him serve out his existing contract.

It looked like he'd stoop to Baylor to get away from us, but would he go as low as Group of 5 (Houston)? Houston might not offer to him bc they see themselves as a program that beats OU.

I think there are plenty of schools out there that would take Gundy if he were interested. The jobs this year are filling up, but there will be more. Last year it was USC, Miami, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Missouri, Maryland, Illinois, Syracuse. 29 D1 jobs I believe. This year was Texas, Baylor, Oregon, Tennessee, LSU, Purdue. Next year will be some more high profile surely. UCLA, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Arizona State. Arkansas.

He's here cause he wants to be. He has been the most prolific coach the university has ever seen. He seems to be a pretty good judge of coaching talent as his hires keep landing D1 coaching gigs and having fair amounts of success. Much more success on the whole than the assistants departing Norman have had in recent years.

Does he have the balls to take them to the next level. I don't know. He was a sniff away from a National Title game in '11. By no means are we Alabama or OU for that matter. It only took them how long to become perennial powers. OSU has only really had consistent success in the last decade and that's it. I'm not saying Gundy is the answer, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering all that he has done.

Just a little perspective. http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/mike-gundy-whats-accomplished-nationally-impressive-last-10-years/

I so did not realize OSU only had 3 less wins over the last eight years than OU. OSU's success has been marginalized by not winning the big one's. It's amazing for me to think, as a life long OSU fan, that we would consider firing a coach for basically finishing second in the conference year in and year out. I never would have thought the program could be taken to such a level.

And one other thing for the day. Something that rarely gets talked about, but I'm sure one of the main reasons Baylor was interested. Gundy appears (I never assume) to be running an incredibly clean program. When problems arise (which they will at any program) they are dealt with appropriately. I'm sure Baylor noticed and would have loved to have that kind of "problem" that OSU is having.

They could always replace Gundy with Charlie Weis.... worked out so well for my Jayhawks.

Osu has copied Kansas before, with the waving wheat hand gesture thing

And one other thing for the day. Something that rarely gets talked about, but I'm sure one of the main reasons Baylor was interested. Gundy appears (I never assume) to be running an incredibly clean program. When problems arise (which they will at any program) they are dealt with appropriately. I'm sure Baylor noticed and would have loved to have that kind of "problem" that OSU is having.

maybe google Chris Collins....

maybe google Chris Collins....

Yeah, I was gonna say. The Chris Collins thing was indefensible.

Every program has problems, but how coaches prevent and deal with those problems is what matters. Gundy failed in the Collins situation. You can argue (and I would) that Stoops failed in the Mixon situation. On the extreme end, Art Briles should never be allowed to work with young people again. He clearly cares more about winning than being a role model or protecting young people.

I loved Gregg Popovich's recent quote when asked by a student about winning another title:


Win the championship? I don’t know, but it’s not a priority in my life. I’d be much happier if I knew that my players were going to make society better, who had good families and who took care of the people around them. I’d get more satisfaction out of that than a title. I would love to win another championship and we’ll work our butts off to try and do that. But we have to want more than success in our jobs. That’s why we’re here. We’re here so you’ll understand that you can overcome obstacles by being prepared and if you educate the hell out of yourself. If you become respectful, disciplined people in this world, you can fight anything. If you join with each other and you believe in yourself and each other, that’s what matters. That’s what we want to relay to you all: that we believe that about you or we wouldn’t be here.

I so did not realize OSU only had 3 less wins over the last eight years than OU. OSU's success has been marginalized by not winning the big one's. It's amazing for me to think, as a life long OSU fan, that we would consider firing a coach for basically finishing second in the conference year in and year out. I never would have thought the program could be taken to such a level.

So I've been a Gundy hater since Monken left; that said, I can not deny that Gundy does things the right way. I want to believe every bad thing about him but it's just the gospel truth that he runs a clean program, just as it's the gospel truth that he's lost his competitive edge and the fire is out.

Also those who think OSU would rather take a chance on an up and comer... why would we do that? OSU has a great coaching tree out there that's pretty equal to OU. Les Miles, Larry Fedora, or Mike Leach (all of whom supposedly Boone likes) are available if we want em. I think JW Walsh even has a bright assistant coaching future. (Note, I'm not seriously suggesting we hire him, but he's getting great exp at TCU w a bunch of other former Cowboys).

There's no way that after a rebuilding season, Les or Leach don't accomplish more in Stillwater over the next 5 years. The real goal has to be satisfying Boone, who is angry enough right now that I'd be shocked if OSU is still in his will. Gundy could end up costing the school hundreds of millions.

I'd rather be 6-6 next season with Les or Leach than 9-4 for the next five seasons w Gundy. That said, I'd rather put up with Gundy than some idiot who's only here bc he had two great years at Directional Michigan/Florida/etc. What would that person know about football in Stillwater and the Big 12? Look at Yurcich, a total fish out of water in Stillwater.

You don't have to have an OSU alum but you need someone who fits the culture, brings aggression and guts that hasn't been seen since Les, and also knows the lay of the land.

Yeah, I was gonna say. The Chris Collins thing was indefensible.

Just a quick little refresher on that whole deal for those that might not remember. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/12/21/chris-collins

I so did not realize OSU only had 3 less wins over the last eight years than OU. OSU's success has been marginalized by not winning the big one's. It's amazing for me to think, as a life long OSU fan, that we would consider firing a coach for basically finishing second in the conference year in and year out. I never would have thought the program could be taken to such a level

This is the exact problem that OSU has. Very low standards. We benchmark to our incomparable past selves and not other 2nd tier (almost blue blood?) peer institutions like Oregon, Clemson, or Michigan State.

Just a quick little refresher on that whole deal for those that might not remember. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/12/21/chris-collins

I'll be honest, I had never read most of these details of Collins' case. It's certainly more complicated than I'd understood.

On a side note from that story, that convicted parties have to pay for our detector tests is crazy, right?

Not sure how you really throw this at Gundy's feet. It sounds to me the case was pretty conflicted, with most of the jurors saying they wouldn't have even convicted him. It sounds more like a case of not having the most accurate information at the time they recruited him. Yes, maybe they should have passed on him. But both parties are likely at fault here. Collins wanted to play football, and OSU wanted some help on defense. Once convicted, it sounded like OSU didn't really even have the option to keep a registered sex offender on the team? Prior to his trial OSU could have. And even I would be inclined to give this guy a second chance (if I knew the real facts of the case at the time). I have a hard time blemishing Gundy's reputation on this one series of events. It in no way compares to what is going on currently with Mixon.

I so did not realize OSU only had 3 less wins over the last eight years than OU. OSU's success has been marginalized by not winning the big one's.

I think you just painted the perfect picture, in regards to the disparity between the two University's football programs.

I see similar comments from the OSU side, not only here...but in general sports discussions in several places. In regards to the "success" of OSU, and Mike Gundy, and how you were somewhat "in awe" of the fact that OSU only has 3 less wins than OU, over the past 8 years.

It's interesting that you picked the last "8 years" as your time frame, as a lot of OU fans also use that same time frame to say that the OU football program has been pretty much garbage over the past 8 years. 3 of Bob Stoops worse teams/seasons of all time have come in that same 8 year time span. (2009,2011,2014)

Mike Gundy/OSU has improved their winning percentage year over year, no doubt...but look at the landscape in which they have done it. Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri are no longer in the conference. Those teams are not World beaters by any stretch...but historically those are all teams, that OSU had atleast at some point struggled against, or in any given season...it was a coin flip to see who would win. Texas has been horrible in that same 8 year time frame as well. So, yes...OSU has improved their winning percentage year over year...but it has just as much to do with the watered down conference, and avoiding a competitive non conference schedule than Mike Gundy building a big time power. I mean, look no further than OU. I'm sure you realize most OU fans have been disgruntled in how bad their teams have been since 2008. OU isn't any good, and hasn't been, in a long time....yet they won the conference last year, and went undefeated this season in the conference. Its because the Big 12 conference is trash.

Not sure how you really throw this at Gundy's feet. It sounds to me the case was pretty conflicted, with most of the jurors saying they wouldn't have even convicted him. It sounds more like a case of not having the most accurate information at the time they recruited him. Yes, maybe they should have passed on him. But both parties are likely at fault here. Collins wanted to play football, and OSU wanted some help on defense. Once convicted, it sounded like OSU didn't really even have the option to keep a registered sex offender on the team? Prior to his trial OSU could have. And even I would be inclined to give this guy a second chance (if I knew the real facts of the case at the time). I have a hard time blemishing Gundy's reputation on this one series of events. It in no way compares to what is going on currently with Mixon.

That is sort of my thought. I think a more experienced Gundy would have passed on Collins after Texas pulled his scholarship, but first year coach Gundy? He needed a player. Was it a mistake? Sure. But does it reflect on the entirety of Gundy's program? Not really.

Filthy, I get that other teams are down, but do you never credit that to other teams success. They lost to someone. I don't think you can lay all that credit to the fact that other teams are down. That said, the big 12 is much weaker than it use to be, but OSU is still by far much better than it use to be.

The problem is that even this season, Gundy has only looked good against teams that also lost to Iowa, Stanford, Arkansas, California, Arizona State, Ohio, and Memphis.

We also lost to DIRECTIONAL MICHIGAN.


I think you just painted the perfect picture, in regards to the disparity between the two University's football programs.

I see similar comments from the OSU side, not only here...but in general sports discussions in several places. In regards to the "success" of OSU, and Mike Gundy, and how you were somewhat "in awe" of the fact that OSU only has 3 less wins than OU, over the past 8 years.

It's interesting that you picked the last "8 years" as your time frame, as a lot of OU fans also use that same time frame to say that the OU football program has been pretty much garbage over the past 8 years. 3 of Bob Stoops worse teams/seasons of all time have come in that same 8 year time span. (2009,2011,2014)

Mike Gundy/OSU has improved their winning percentage year over year, no doubt...but look at the landscape in which they have done it. Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri are no longer in the conference. Those teams are not World beaters by any stretch...but historically those are all teams, that OSU had atleast at some point struggled against, or in any given season...it was a coin flip to see who would win. Texas has been horrible in that same 8 year time frame as well. So, yes...OSU has improved their winning percentage year over year...but it has just as much to do with the watered down conference, and avoiding a competitive non conference schedule than Mike Gundy building a big time power. I mean, look no further than OU. I'm sure you realize most OU fans have been disgruntled in how bad their teams have been since 2008. OU isn't any good, and hasn't been, in a long time....yet they won the conference last year, and went undefeated this season in the conference. Its because the Big 12 conference is trash.

This. OU has been mediocre, and who compares 8 year periods? We are a fan base that has to cherry pick the good years, but then even more arbitrarily act as if that's attributed to Gundy and not the facilities.

Secondly, it's a farce that he's improving every year. He's had some very disappointing teams since 2011, when he also stopped improving.

Not only did Texas pull its offer, so did many other schools, the only one who didnt was OSU. Gundy knew what he was getting and rolled the dice.

Give Gundy credit he is the 1st OSU coach to get a NCAA Football championship for OSU while he was the current coach

This. OU has been mediocre, and who compares 8 year periods? .

We're number 15 in win percentage if you look at the last 10 years instead of 8.

The 5 seasons since 2011, when you say we haven't been good, we've had 2 10 win seasons. If we win our bowl game, it will be 3. 3 out of 5 years with 10 win seasons.

Please use facts Nick. You're better than that.

Why keep bashing OU? They have been the most consistent team in football since the turn of the century. Last year went to final 4. May well finish in top 5 this year. Guess that is "mediocre" to some. OU loses some big games because the will PLAY big games, as opposed to others. People love to pick segments of data that accentuates their biased points...this 8 year time, or that 5 year time. OSU has won 2 of last 5 from OU. Oh - 2 of 11 against Bob Stoops' OU. Oh, OU splattered OSU last two years. Let's be real... OSU is not OU. OU still has national appeal even if B12 doesn't. The OU brand is strong.

Who's bashing OU? If anything, they're trying to point out that OSU's record isn't as good as it presents. As well as trashing the strength of the big 12 in general. Not sure I agree with either statements. OSU under Gundy has been consistently competitive. But I don't see much OU bashing going on.

Who's bashing OU? If anything, they're trying to point out that OSU's record isn't as good as it presents. As well as trashing the strength of the big 12 in general. Not sure I agree with either statements. OSU under Gundy has been consistently competitive. But I don't see much OU bashing going on.

Don't ruin the narrative, Jerry.

Video of Joe Mixon breaking a girls face has been released...

http://newsok.com/article/5531208?utm_source=NewsOK.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NIC-Twitter

He should've been kicked off the team when Stoops, Castiglione, and Boren saw the video in 2014.

Video of Joe Mixon breaking a girls face has been released...

http://newsok.com/article/5531208?utm_source=NewsOK.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NIC-Twitter

He should've been kicked off the team when Stoops, Castiglione, and Boren saw the video in 2014.

Agreed.

Wow. That was a brutal hit. The fact that Stoops and Boren both saw the video pre-punishment is not going to go over well.

She clearly attacked him first, but there is also a concept of reacting proportionately - which Joe certainly did not.

That being said... People should stop being violent to each other. Especially over words. The man has his entire life ahead of him that is likely rolling around in millions of dollars and traveling the world in private jets whenever he wants. As the saying goes "you had one job..."

I've said since the day this happened, he should have been of been kicked off the team. It's embarrassing as an alumnus. Playing football is a privilege and he should have lost it. Watching the video makes me sick.

I don't know why the video is a shock to anyone. It has previously been described very well. It was exactly what I expected to see.

Reading something and seeing something often makes people act differently.

Reminder: This is the same university that kicked kids off campus for using racial slurs (they should have been removed).

Even though she attacked first, society will not "accept" the video in favor of the university.

How that wasn't obvious to smart professionals like Stoops and Boren is absolutely absurd. The public will forever tarnish the school with "putting football above safety/morals". This was a huge mistake for the organization and really all of college football.

Even though she attacked first, society will not "accept" the video in favor of the university.

How that wasn't obvious to smart professionals like Stoops and Boren is absolutely absurd. The public will forever tarnish the school with "putting football above safety/morals". This was a huge mistake for the organization and really all of college football.

I agree. I've never understood why OU took that risk from a PR perspective. I've said since the beginning, the right thing to do was to kick Mixon off the team, but not out of the university. Football is a privilege. Of course, Mixon would have likely left to play elsewhere and that's fine. Stoops legacy is going to be tarnished by this Mixon case along with the Justin Chaisson and DGB cases. There is no way to justify either of those latter two cases in particular. I'm embarrassed as an alumnus that this is something OU will be known for. The only thing they can do now is dedicate time and energy to being an exemplar program in fighting against sexual and physical violence against women.

Boren asked for an investigation of Baylor last summer. The same guy that happily welcomed Westbrook, Mixon, Shannon, and DGB with open arms.

To be fair, they supposedly didn't know that Westbrook is a horrible person.

I guess a bunch of new recruits were tweeting out #SoonerStrong with fist emojis. Not a good look. I'm sure they meant the fist as a solidarity thing but still..... think people. First they don't really need to be aligning themselves with this situation. Second the fist... just no.

Boren asked for an investigation of Baylor last summer. The same guy that happily welcomed Westbrook, Mixon, Shannon, and DGB with open arms.

To be fair, they supposedly didn't know that Westbrook is a horrible person.

Not sure you should include the Shannon case in that group. Didn't Borden go to the Oklahoma Supreme Court to uphold Shannon's suspension?

Not sure you should include the Shannon case in that group. Didn't Borden go to the Oklahoma Supreme Court to uphold Shannon's suspension?

Pretty sure there was zero evidence Shannon did anything. From what i heard the girl wanted him to bang her and he didnt want to and left, so she made up the story out of spite.

Pretty sure there was zero evidence Shannon did anything. From what i heard the girl wanted him to bang her and he didnt want to and left, so she made up the story out of spite.

Well, that's certainly one story. That is not the girl's story. And, many cases like Shannon's are hard to prosecute because evidence is hard to come by. It becomes a he said/she said that often results in victims either not pursuing charges or losing in court. There is a lot of evidence that many rape victims do not come forward for this reason so I'd be wary of just spreading the guy's side of the story.

But, my point was, if I remember right, Boren fought hard in court for Shannon's suspension to be upheld.

We're number 15 in win percentage if you look at the last 10 years instead of 8.

The 5 seasons since 2011, when you say we haven't been good, we've had 2 10 win seasons. If we win our bowl game, it will be 3. 3 out of 5 years with 10 win seasons.

Please use facts Nick. You're better than that.

Sorry for not seeing this, but I'm just responding to acknowledge that you have a valid, albeit alternative, viewpoint.

The win-loss looks good bc we beat up on a weak conference and take care of low-level business except for when it matters for once (Iowa State). The reality of this glorious 5-year span is we got badly embarrassed in bowls against Mizzou and Ole Miss...Mizzou we really should have beat. Not acceptable. Then the next season we went through a 4-game losing streak where we went like 7 quarters of football without a single offensive touchdown while Lunt left, Garman fizzled out, and we had to burn Rudolph's redshirt. What the hell was Gundy doing that season, was any coaching at all happening?

The more you dig at Gundy's actual accomplishments the more suspect they become. But at least he does things the right way, albeit lame things. Mixon, Westbrook, DGB, Shannon, Jarboe. Wow.

OU is very lucky that they have one of the largest-tangled scandals in recent NCAA history in a way that won't draw direct violations, and at the same time as Baylor, who will soak up the media spotlight.

The more you dig at Gundy's actual accomplishments the more suspect they become. But at least he does things the right way, albeit lame things. Mixon, Westbrook, DGB, Shannon, Jarboe. Wow.

What do you think OU did incorrectly in the Shannon and Jarboe cases? In the Shannon case, OU took the case all the way to the Oklahoma Supreme Court to uphold his suspension. In the Jarboe case, Stoops kicked off the team for rapping about guns.

It's important to get the facts correct on what OU has done correctly (Shannon, Jarboe) and incorrectly (Chaisson, Westbrook, DBG, Mixon) as a means to (a) not lose credibility and (b) make change.

What do you think OU did incorrectly in the Shannon and Jarboe cases? In the Shannon case, OU took the case all the way to the Oklahoma Supreme Court to uphold his suspension. In the Jarboe case, Stoops kicked off the team for rapping about guns.

It's important to get the facts correct on what OU has done correctly (Shannon, Jarboe) and incorrectly (Chaisson, Westbrook, DBG, Mixon) as a means to (a) not lose credibility and (b) make change.

Jarboe had been charged with two gun crimes in ATL before Stoops offered. For once a rapper who's the real deal, get him a scholly.

The reality is that if you're an OU person, you're probably not going to see me as all that credible anyway considering I left OU to go to better schools for architecture and urban planning. And I just offer up the full array of characters in the last two seasons for FULL context, not saying any single one is the smoking gun, but collectively they do tell a story.

Jarboe had been charged with two gun crimes in ATL before Stoops offered. For once a rapper who's the real deal, get him a scholly.

The reality is that if you're an OU person, you're probably not going to see me as all that credible anyway considering I left OU to go to better schools for architecture and urban planning. And I just offer up the full array of characters in the last two seasons for FULL context, not saying any single one is the smoking gun, but collectively they do tell a story.

Jarboe got one misdemeanor for having a gun (which he claimed was not even his) in a high school parking lot. There is no evidence he was doing anything with that gun. This charge was made after he was commited to OU already. I have no problem with Stoops allowing him to attend OU based on that single offense. It seems they also did so under strict conditions because he was then kicked off the team for mentioning guns in a 1-minute freestyle. You can read about his story here and I'm not sure how you can criticize Stoops. If anything, Stoops was too hard on Jarboe: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/sports/football/josh-jarboe-looks-to-continue-his-revival-in-the-nfl.html

I'm not sure where you got two charges, but you often throw information out without checking it as is evident in numerous claims you've made on this thread.

And, I don't find you credible at times when you lack credibility. If anything, I've posted on this message board, there's no way you can conclude that I am unable to critique OU. That's all I've been doing.

He plead guilty to two felony charges. OU source: https://oklahoma.rivals.com/news/jarboe-dismissed-from-ou-football-team

I don't really care how credible you think I am, at least I'm not posting The NY Times as a college football source. I'm fast and loose w the facts bc I care more about the big picture than granular details, I don't have any motive other than my own POV on things. I'm not here to do damage control for OSU or developers/politicians I like, etc., like many posters here are.

As it relates to OU, yeah it's not about Mixon. It's about Mixon et al, emphasis on the et al. Discounting any one of these most recent episodes, leaving just Mixon, is basically missing the forest for the trees. It doesn't matter that you can discount one case, that one case is still relevant bc the big picture matters more than one punk kid who got off easy.

Anyone who really cares this much about one punk kid is just whistling in the dark when it comes to college ball these days.

If you actually read your own source, he ended up with a misdemeanor. Anyway, did you justify posting inaccurate information because you have an eye on the big picture? Alrighty then.

If you actually read your own source, he ended up with a misdemeanor. Anyway, did you justify posting inaccurate information because you have an eye on the big picture? Alrighty then.

Haha, touche. But the misdemeanor only became such bc of the Georgia First Offender law.

I'm concerned about a culture, not a case.

I'll say this - and sorry for the over-zealous double post, but I just want to end the unpleasantries - Samaje Perine is an absolute class act. A guy like that is what college athletics should be about. OU always has a few great Big 12 academic All-Americans who actually contribute on the field.

When he slid down short of the final touchdown, that really was the deepest cut they could have given OSU in Bedlam. Our last remaining vision of Bedlam 2016 was envy that you guys have him.

So did I miss something or did Tulsa just beat the same Central Michigan team that knocked off OSU at home 55-10. Ouch. That's not good optics any way you look at it.

So did I miss something or did Tulsa just beat the same Central Michigan team that knocked off OSU at home 55-10. Ouch. That's not good optics any way you look at it.

And that gives the fans something to look forward to since OSU hosts Tulsa next year.

So did I miss something or did Tulsa just beat the same Central Michigan team that knocked off OSU at home 55-10. Ouch. That's not good optics any way you look at it.

Big 12 refs?

What's not to love about playing Tulsa? I have especially fond memories of the "road game" trip that year with the tornado at kickoff.