I feel like the best shot for OU/OSU to stay together in another conference is through the rumored move to a PAC-16 along with UT/Tech (I'd prefer TCU over Tech personally).

I feel like the best shot for OU/OSU to stay together in another conference is through the rumored move to a PAC-16 along with UT/Tech (I'd prefer TCU over Tech personally).

SEC is best fit for OU. But they would have to leave OSU for that to happen. It would be big game week after week in the sec. Yes it would be harder to get to the NC game but it would sure be fun trying to get there. Move Bama east and Mizzou west and they could find one more big state school and your all set.

SEC is best fit for OU. But they would have to leave OSU for that to happen. It would be big game week after week in the sec. Yes it would be harder to get to the NC game but it would sure be fun trying to get there. Move Bama east and Mizzou west and they could find one more big state school and your all set.

Texas and OU make the most sense for any expansion of the SEC. They won't take any others except maybe Florida State.

OSU remains in the Big 12 with the current teams and adds either Cincinnati, Colorado State and/or Houston. If any school bolts after OU and Texas it would be Kansas to the Big Ten.

Texas and OU make the most sense for any expansion of the SEC. They won't take any others except maybe Florida State.

OSU remains in the Big 12 with the current teams and adds either Cincinnati, Colorado State and/or Houston. If any school bolts after OU and Texas it would be Kansas to the Big Ten.

Texas is not going to the SEC; they would have to give up the Longhorn network.

I don't know why everyone thinks that OU will go to the SEC. Everything I've read or listened to says that only the fans want that. The administration is not in favor of it.

I don't know why everyone thinks that OU will go to the SEC. Everything I've read or listened to says that only the fans want that. The administration is not in favor of it.

Seems like fans get that if you want to be the best, you got to beat the best.

While the Big10 (14) is a good alternative, I just don't think it has the wow factor for people that the SEC does. And when it comes down to it, the SEC might be willing to let OSU come, if OU presents it as a package deal and a deal breaker if they don't. From what I've read, OU is the SEC's top prospect, or at least on the very very short list.

I don't know why everyone thinks that OU will go to the SEC. Everything I've read or listened to says that only the fans want that. The administration is not in favor of it.

The Big 10 where OU could reunite with Nebraska would be the next best option for OU if the administration is not in favor of the SEC.

The formation of a PAC 16 as Danrutka mentioned would be the best for getting OU-OSU paired. The only potential drawback is the timezone in which majority of PAC 16 schools are two hours behind the Central Time Zone.

Texas only has its own interests at heart. They don't care about OU until there's the possibility that the OU-TU game could be in jeopardy.

Texas is the reason behind this whole debacle in which we lost Texas A & M, Nebraska, Missouri & Colorado.

The Big 10 where OU could reunite with Nebraska would be the next best option for OU if the administration is not in favor of the SEC.

The formation of a PAC 16 as Danrutka mentioned would be the best for getting OU-OSU paired. The only potential drawback is the timezone in which majority of PAC 16 schools are two hours behind the Central Time Zone.

Right! We complain about 11AM (Rooster) kickoffs....well how about 11PM kickoffs on Fox Sports SW?

Right! We complain about 11AM (Rooster) kickoffs....well how about 11PM kickoffs on Fox Sports SW?

Good point, a real flip of the script; pick your poison--11 AM (Rooster) kickoffs or 11 PM (Vampire) kickoffs. Not so sure I'd want to be tailgating in Norman or anywhere after 9 p.m.

It's also important to consider that if OU and/or OSU joined one of these superconferences then they would hopefully be in a division that would be more geographically close than the rest of the conference.

With the PAC16, an East division could include: OU, OSU, UT, Tech, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State

With the SEC, a West division could include: OU, UT, A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State

In either case, those divisions wouldn't be that far geographically or by time zone. I do not think there is as good of a possible geographic division with the Big 10.

But, again, any of these scenarios would hurt OKC as a city. The base of the conferences would be in places like Los Angeles or Atlanta, not Oklahoma City and Dallas. So, OKC would likely lose basketball and baseball tourneys they now are regularly in the running to host. Fans would have travel farther to see their schools play. I think it would be a huge loss for this part of the country to no longer have a conference centered here, which is something rarely discussed.

Texas and OU make the most sense for any expansion of the SEC. They won't take any others except maybe Florida State.

OSU remains in the Big 12 with the current teams and adds either Cincinnati, Colorado State and/or Houston. If any school bolts after OU and Texas it would be Kansas to the Big Ten.
If OU and TU were to bolt what makes you think anyone would join the remaining teams? What kind of TV agreement could the Big 12 land with C-State, Houston and Cin replacing two of college football's historically best teams?

It's also important to consider that if OU and/or OSU joined one of these superconferences then they would hopefully be in a division that would be more geographically close than the rest of the conference.

With the PAC16, an East division could include: OU, OSU, UT, Tech, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State

With the SEC, a West division could include: OU, UT, A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State

In either case, those divisions wouldn't be that far geographically or by time zone. I do not think there is as good of a possible geographic division with the Big 10.

But, again, any of these scenarios would hurt OKC as a city. The base of the conferences would be in places like Los Angeles or Atlanta, not Oklahoma City and Dallas. So, OKC would likely lose basketball and baseball tourneys they now are regularly in the running to host. Fans would have travel farther to see their schools play. I think it would be a huge loss for this part of the country to no longer have a conference centered here, which is something rarely discussed.


So true,

Kansas City & Dallas will be the biggest losers with Big Twelve basketball & football. The baseball would indeed hurt OKC who has only hosted the basketball once.

Again, you have Texas to blame; OU stood by like a battered husband while his wife pushed their children (Nebraska, Texas A & M, Missouri & Colorado) from the nest.

2 months later and what looked like dismal seasons for both teams.. Could once again come down to bedlam deciding the champ (and potential playoff spot?)

OU has a tough game this weekend @ night in Morgantown, primetime game on ABC.

TCU has opened up as slight favorites against OSU.

2 months later and what looked like dismal seasons for both teams.. Could once again come down to bedlam deciding the champ (and potential playoff spot?)

OU has a tough game this weekend @ night in Morgantown, primetime game on ABC.

TCU has opened up as slight favorites against OSU.

How many years now has the Big 12 champ come down to the Bedlam game. So happy that this game means something year in and year out. Even seasons where I think OSU is down, they somehow go along, win the games they should so that this game means something.

If TCU beats OSU down in Fort Worth, and OU beats West Virginia, OU wins the Big 12 outright automatically. They'll have a full two-game lead on the field with only one to play.

I just don't see the CFP scenarios. They're interesting to talk about, but I don't see the committee actually putting a B12 team in at this point.

1. Houston beats Louisvillle
2. Washington State beats Washington
3. Michigan wins Big 10

If they say conference championships matter then I think that gets OU in if they win out. Committee could still go with Ohio State though so maybe OU needs a Michigan route of OHIO state...

All very unlikely, of course. Heck, OU losing their last two is more likely.

1. Houston beats Louisvillle
2. Washington State beats Washington
3. Michigan wins Big 10

If they say conference championships matter then I think that gets OU in if they win out. Committee could still go with Ohio State though so maybe OU needs a Michigan route of OHIO state...

All very unlikely, of course. Heck, OU losing their last two is more likely.

Yeah I cannot with a straight-face consider a scenario in which a one-loss Ohio State *doesn't* get in, but a two-loss OU that got groin-kicked at home on national television by that same Ohio State team *does*. Heck, even a two-loss tOSU team should get in ahead of OU. While a conference title is a perfectly decent goal for the Sooners for this year, as far as the CFP goes, being a champ of the Big 12 is like trying to pass off ammonia as perfume.

Just to clarify, if Michigan wins the Big 10 that means they would have handed Ohio State that second loss. OU should hope it's a blowout and that OU wins impressively.

Whelp, TCU was a great addition to the big 12.

OMG, Kansas beat Texas. Is the end of the world near? :)

OMG, Kansas beat Texas. Is the end of the world near? :)
Very possible!

Looks like Bedlam is going to be for the Big 12 championship. At least I have two weeks to grow out nails to bite off!

I didn't remember Mangino losing to UT every year he was at Kansas but the university FB page is saying it's first KU win since 1938.

Looks like Bedlam is going to be for the Big 12 championship. At least I have two weeks to grow out nails to bite off!

I'd be worried too if I were you. ;)

what would be really stupid if this was 2017 and OU beat osu, OU's conference record would be 9-0, and OSU's 7-2. but they would play the next week for the championship? so if osu would win the rematch, Osu's record in big12 play would be 8-2 and OU's 9-1 with both teams betting each other once but osu would be the champion. explain that one to me?

my guess is as long as OU and osu are in the top 4 teams or so, they won't be playing the last game of the year or even in november. Look for ou/osu in stillwater next year to be late october or 1st week of november

what would be really stupid if this was 2017 and OU beat osu, OU's conference record would be 9-0, and OSU's 7-2. but they would play the next week for the championship? so if osu would win the rematch, Osu's record in big12 play would be 8-2 and OU's 9-1 with both teams betting each other once but osu would be the champion. explain that one to me?

my guess is as long as OU and osu are in the top 4 teams or so, they won't be playing the last game of the year or even in november. Look for ou/osu in stillwater next year to be late october or 1st week of novemberI hope the Big 12 takes expected records into consideration. If they don't they're idiots.

Hopefully they will keep the quasi Big XII (10) Championship the last game of the season. I have been amazed at how many seasons this game has ended up having championship implications, even seasons where I was certain OSU was going to have a down season. That's the biggest thing Gundy has done at OSU. They win the games they should (by and large that is).

Hopefully they will keep the quasi Big XII (10) Championship the last game of the season. I have been amazed at how many seasons this game has ended up having championship implications, even seasons where I was certain OSU was going to have a down season. That's the biggest thing Gundy has done at OSU. They win the games they should (by and large that is).Starting next season there will be a real, championship game after the regular season.

Many sport leagues with a playoff/championship format have the potential to end up with a team that wins the championship by winning the championship game, even though they lost to the same team during the regular season. It's the downfall of having a championship game for the sake of having a championship game.

Many sport leagues with a playoff/championship format have the potential to end up with a team that wins the championship by winning the championship game, even though they lost to the same team during the regular season. It's the downfall of having a championship game for the sake of having a championship game.True. And why I hate the idea of having a championship game when there are only 10 teams.

Starting next season there will be a real, championship game after the regular season.

Did I miss that announcement, or are you "in the know"?

I didn't remember Mangino losing to UT every year he was at Kansas but the university FB page is saying it's first KU win since 1938.

I was thinking the only year that they would have been good enough to beat them was 2007 and that may have been the off year for them.

Right, KU and Texas were in separate divisions and wouldn't have necessarily played every year.

Starting next season there will be a fake, manufactured, and incredibly stupid championship game after the regular season.

FIFY

I can't think of anything so stupid as a "championship game" for a conference with a round-robin schedule. It's like the Big 12 has to do something manifestly stupid every year just to *remind* the rest of the CFB world just how *stupid* it is.

Case-in-point: If this year unfolded the same way next, year, the upcoming OU-OSU game would be *meaningless*, because no matter what, they're going to finish 1-2, and would play each other again.

Just how stupid can you get?

For those who like OU-OSU at the end of the year, it's a double-whammy of stupid, because it all-but guarantees this game gets moved earlier in the year from here on out to prevent the illusion of having to replay an already-determined outcome.

If we had divisions (and the requisite number of teams necessary for it), that would be one thing. But a round robin, forced 1-2 rematch is just brain-dead.

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Bedlam just got sweeter!
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Hope it's just as much fun as it was last year up in Stilly...if you know what I mean :)

Prefer a re-make of the last visit to Norman if you ask me. ;)

Did I miss that announcement, or are you "in the know"?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18080015/big-12-championship-game-held-att-stadium-arlington-texas

FIFY

I can't think of anything so stupid as a "championship game" for a conference with a round-robin schedule. It's like the Big 12 has to do something manifestly stupid every year just to *remind* the rest of the CFB world just how *stupid* it is.

Case-in-point: If this year unfolded the same way next, year, the upcoming OU-OSU game would be *meaningless*, because no matter what, they're going to finish 1-2, and would play each other again.

Just how stupid can you get?

For those who like OU-OSU at the end of the year, it's a double-whammy of stupid, because it all-but guarantees this game gets moved earlier in the year from here on out to prevent the illusion of having to replay an already-determined outcome.

If we had divisions (and the requisite number of teams necessary for it), that would be one thing. But a round robin, forced 1-2 rematch is just brain-dead.

I had the same thought, picturing OU/OSU two games in a row.... No matter who is in the game, one of them will have already lost to the other team. If the previous winner prevails, great, which makes the game meaningless. If the loser of the first matchup prevails, it will me the championship seem contested. It's also guaranteeing a loss to one of the top two teams in the Big 12, so will weaken our stance nationally. I don't see the upside. This will basically benefit one team (whomever gets the championship) at the expense of the other 9 each year.

11:30 am kickoff time for Bedlam.

Speaks volumes as to what the perception of the conference is with this time.

11:30 am kickoff time for Bedlam.

Speaks volumes as to what the perception of the conference is with this time.

Not really. The biggest game of the season -- Ohio State - Michigan -- kicks off at 11am this week.

Guess you're right. Just wish the de facto conference championship game would at least be in the aftenoon.

Bodes well for the Pokes who always do well in early games on the road

I think the scoreless Bedlam (07?) may have been the last time I saw OSU get flat-out beaten on the road during the day.

Night games on the other hand...

It was a great win today for the Sooners to continue Stoop's domination of the Big 12. After a slow offensive start, they ended up with 629 total yards. It was also a complete show of class when Perine could have easily scored another closing touchdown and took a knee instead. Not many players or teams would do that, especially when playing a bitter instate rival.

It was a very effective and clinical dismantling of a team, and OU clearly deserved this win. Darn it.

It was a great win today for the Sooners to continue Stoop's domination of the Big 12. After a slow offensive start, they ended up with 629 total yards. It was also a complete show of class when Perine could have easily scored another closing touchdown and took a knee instead. Not many players or teams would do that, especially when playing a bitter instate rival.

Although it is clearly in OU's best interest to save Gundy's job.

That was still a pretty thorough smack-down for the ages.

Poooooooor aggies.

Pistols were firing yesterday.

Several rounds were blanks, but they were firing.

Hope everyone heals up fine,

Although it is clearly in OU's best interest to save Gundy's job.

Why? Gundy is the best coach in OSU history by a pretty wide margin. He's done a fantastic job.

Why? Gundy is the best coach in OSU history by a pretty wide margin. He's done a fantastic job.

Except he gets way to conservative when playing OU. Yes, Mayfield had a great game. Yes, Rudolph had a bad game. But the OSU play calling was horrid.

Of course we all know the real reason for a Big 12 Championship game. But the official reason is that it helps get a Big 12 team in the playoffs. So today we have a Big 10 team in the playoffs that not only didn't qualify for their conference championship game but lost in the season to the team that won the Big 10 championship game. Is the Twilight Zone really out there?

I have never seen a more conservative offense in bedlam before. Not even trying with like 10 seconds until halftime when you are at the 50 yard line was the entire OSU playcalling in a nutshell.

OU smacked them down with tons of relevant players hurt during the game. Rudolph must have eaten some butter lovers popcorn before the game because he couldn't do squat with those hands.

Rudolph is inconsistent, in some games he can look like one of the best QB's and in other games he looks completely lost.

I have never seen a more conservative offense in bedlam before. Not even trying with like 10 seconds until halftime when you are at the 50 yard line was the entire OSU playcalling in a nutshell.

Gundy has done this all year. Wasn't a surprise to any OSU fans. Extremely infuriating.

Poooooooor aggies.

Thank you for the thoughtful discussion.

Gundy has done this all year. Wasn't a surprise to any OSU fans. Extremely infuriating.

Whatever it is that he was or wasn't doing got them to with in 30 minutes of winning a Big 12 title. With a team that I don't really think is overly talented. Can't knock the coaching that much.

That being said, OU earned it Saturday. Well deserved. Let's just not make it into something it wasn't. It was a good game where one team was able to capitalize on the mistakes of another. Pretty much like every other game. I've seen far more epic "beatings" in this series alone (in the last ten years) to know that this was not on that order. It my estimation it was two fairly even matched teams, where one was hitting and the other wasn't (for a variety of reasons).

A physically dominant second half was the unquestioned recipe for OU against OSU's curious 3-3-5 alignment, which basically begs to be run on. Most of OU's first-half run issues almost certainly arose from how their normal or game-planned blocking schemes weren't designed for that alignment - and Mayfield in the postgame said as much when he alluded to how they figured out what OSU's defense was doing and how the OL adjusted its blocking accordingly.

OU also changed how they approached running the ball in the 2nd half. Rather than gash between the tackles in a smash mouth mode, they took advantage of the natural lanes that occur against a 3-3-5 by stretching the tackles out and creating gaps and angles the linebackers can't fill. OU's first play of the 2nd half, a play that set the tone for the entire balance of the game, was a prime example - a deep handoff where Perine needed to simply attack the lane, and then let his speed take over at the second level. OSU never adjusted for that, and OU ran variations of it the rest of the day.

OSU still had a decent chance early in the 4th, where OU was driving with about 12 minutes left and seemed destined to score and go up 38-20, but Orlando Brown's really stupid personal foul pushed OU back to the 20, and Perine was hurt and fumbled on I think the next play. It was reminiscent of 2014 where Perine, on the opposite side of the same area of the field, fumbled and was hurt with OU seemingly in control. OU's defense bent, but didn't break, and among the many bizarre coaching decisions Gundy made Saturday, I didn't have so much of a problem with kicking the field goal. If you get the game to 8 points with 10 minutes to play, it's a single-possession game. So the logic isn't entirely without merit. But when Grogan whiffed on that kick, and Mixon went 79 on the next play, the dagger was unmistakable and the emotional swing palpable in the stadium - which just erupted. Even still, another long kickoff return gave OSU a shot at a short field and a quick score with a little over 9 minutes to play, but OU's OL has to be given credit for getting to Rudolph and holding on 4th down.

The most telling drive of all, arguably, was that OU took over possession with 9:35 to play, and never gave the ball back. Guys, that's not easy to do against air. Geno Lewis became a gold mine, sure-handed possession receiver who I think converted at least two if not three short third-down catches for first downs to keep that drive going. And Perine's taking a knee on what would have been a walk-in touchdown with about 1:41 to play was breathtaking. It was a much bigger "in your face" than another TD would have been.

All manner of credit has to go to Stoops staff both offensively and defensively for solving everything OSU tried to do. The second half was just a dominating performance for the Sooners - Perine ran for some 200 yards in that half alone. Mayfield was brilliant and astonishingly accurate, and in all honesty should have had at least one more TD pass but for Mixon's drop of an easy TD catch in the 2nd quarter.

Also, for all the (deserved) heat Mike Stoops has gotten this year, that OU defense held OSU to 3 points in the second half and pressured Rudolph into an 11-25 performance. Lost in the shuffle was OU's ability with a variety of 4 and 5-man fronts to really stress OSU's offensive line, creating at least some of the pressure that gave Rudolph trouble - and let's face it, in general, Rudolph obviously didn't have a great day, and Gundy opted not to give Rudolph many chances to throw deep - which is really an odd call in my book. OU also adjusted to help get better LB fits against the run, making sure their second-level people stopped overpursuing in the gaps as they did often this season and again in the first half.

Gundy's scheme in the first quarter seemed smart, attacking OU physically and gaining confidence with each play. But turning that first quarter advantage into only 3 points was just a killer. And Gundy's inexplicable conservatism the rest of the day - highlighted by the decision not even to try to score with the ball at midfield with 18 seconds in the half and a timeout available - was arguably the biggest shocker of the day. And I think he'll deserve the criticism I expect he'll get as a result.

Great win for the Sooners and on to the Sugar Bowl!

That being said, OU earned it Saturday. Well deserved. Let's just not make it into something it wasn't. It was a good game where one team was able to capitalize on the mistakes of another. Pretty much like every other game. I've seen far more epic "beatings" in this series alone (in the last ten years) to know that this was not on that order. It my estimation it was two fairly even matched teams, where one was hitting and the other wasn't (for a variety of reasons).

I was surprised at the ineffectiveness of OSU's passing game.

A physically dominant second half was the unquestioned recipe for OU against OSU's curious 3-3-5 alignment, which basically begs to be run on. Most of OU's first-half run issues almost certainly arose from how their normal or game-planned blocking schemes weren't designed for that alignment - and Mayfield in the postgame said as much when he alluded to how they figured out what OSU's defense was doing and how the OL adjusted its blocking accordingly.

OU also changed how they approached running the ball in the 2nd half. Rather than gash between the tackles in a smash mouth mode, they took advantage of the natural lanes that occur against a 3-3-5 by stretching the tackles out and creating gaps and angles the linebackers can't fill. OU's first play of the 2nd half, a play that set the tone for the entire balance of the game, was a prime example - a deep handoff where Perine needed to simply attack the lane, and then let his speed take over at the second level. OSU never adjusted for that, and OU ran variations of it the rest of the day.

OSU still had a decent chance early in the 4th, where OU was driving with about 12 minutes left and seemed destined to score and go up 38-20, but Orlando Brown's really stupid personal foul pushed OU back to the 20, and Perine was hurt and fumbled on I think the next play. It was reminiscent of 2014 where Perine, on the opposite side of the same area of the field, fumbled and was hurt with OU seemingly in control. OU's defense bent, but didn't break, and among the many bizarre coaching decisions Gundy made Saturday, I didn't have so much of a problem with kicking the field goal. If you get the game to 8 points with 10 minutes to play, it's a single-possession game. So the logic isn't entirely without merit. But when Grogan whiffed on that kick, and Mixon went 79 on the next play, the dagger was unmistakable and the emotional swing palpable in the stadium - which just erupted. Even still, another long kickoff return gave OSU a shot at a short field and a quick score with a little over 9 minutes to play, but OU's OL has to be given credit for getting to Rudolph and holding on 4th down.

The most telling drive of all, arguably, was that OU took over possession with 9:35 to play, and never gave the ball back. Guys, that's not easy to do against air. Geno Lewis became a gold mine, sure-handed possession receiver who I think converted at least two if not three short third-down catches for first downs to keep that drive going. And Perine's taking a knee on what would have been a walk-in touchdown with about 1:41 to play was breathtaking. It was a much bigger "in your face" than another TD would have been.

All manner of credit has to go to Stoops staff both offensively and defensively for solving everything OSU tried to do. The second half was just a dominating performance for the Sooners - Perine ran for some 200 yards in that half alone. Mayfield was brilliant and astonishingly accurate, and in all honesty should have had at least one more TD pass but for Mixon's drop of an easy TD catch in the 2nd quarter.

Also, for all the (deserved) heat Mike Stoops has gotten this year, that OU defense held OSU to 3 points in the second half and pressured Rudolph into an 11-25 performance. Lost in the shuffle was OU's ability with a variety of 4 and 5-man fronts to really stress OSU's offensive line, creating at least some of the pressure that gave Rudolph trouble - and let's face it, in general, Rudolph obviously didn't have a great day, and Gundy opted not to give Rudolph many chances to throw deep - which is really an odd call in my book. OU also adjusted to help get better LB fits against the run, making sure their second-level people stopped overpursuing in the gaps as they did often this season and again in the first half.

Gundy's scheme in the first quarter seemed smart, attacking OU physically and gaining confidence with each play. But turning that first quarter advantage into only 3 points was just a killer. And Gundy's inexplicable conservatism the rest of the day - highlighted by the decision not even to try to score with the ball at midfield with 18 seconds in the half and a timeout available - was arguably the biggest shocker of the day. And I think he'll deserve the criticism I expect he'll get as a result.

Great win for the Sooners and on to the Sugar Bowl!
Dead on accurate with everything you said. Pooooooooooooooor aggies.