you've got to play the ENTIRE game folks. When you dont do that, the other team will capitalize on it and you're shock becomes a loss.

Well, technically, OSU did play the entire game and win by the rules. The refs wrongly extended the game. ;)

Well, technically, OSU did play the entire game and win by the rules. The refs wrongly extended the game. ;)

While that is 100% true, playing the last 4 downs a bit differently and there wouldn't have been a problem either. One or two extra secs ticked off each down and we don't have a 4th down with 4 seconds.

I wonder how long it will be before teams start hiring "QA" specialists whose job it is to study and virtually memorize the NCAA rulebook each year.

There are so many ways to burn up four seconds. Sure seems to me you just send a punter out there and have him kick, or if you're worried about a block, just have him run toward the sideline. Heck, have your QB do the same thing - just line up in the "V" formation and drop back for four seconds.

Such a ditzy, screwed up way to lose a game. Wow. Still not believing that result - not just the improper play extension but the hailateral mary...

Hearing that ALL the officials that worked the OSU game have been suspended for 2 weeks.

Yeah the MAC suspended the crew that worked the game for two games, and the Big 12 suspended the replay crew for not correcting the error themselves.

Wow. So. Much. Consolidated. Ignorance.

I wonder how long it will be before teams start hiring "QA" specialists whose job it is to study and virtually memorize the NCAA rulebook each year.

There are so many ways to burn up four seconds. Sure seems to me you just send a punter out there and have him kick, or if you're worried about a block, just have him run toward the sideline. Heck, have your QB do the same thing - just line up in the "V" formation and drop back for four seconds.

Such a ditzy, screwed up way to lose a game. Wow. Still not believing that result - not just the improper play extension but the hailateral mary...

Maybe, although this was a specific play and ending they practiced (weekly, every Thursday evidently) within the confines of what they understood were the rules (and it turns out they were right). So do we really blame someone for following the rules now? It's getting a little close to blaming the victim for dressing sexy.

Maybe, although this was a specific play and ending they practiced (weekly, every Thursday evidently) within the confines of what they understood were the rules (and it turns out they were right). So do we really blame someone for following the rules now? It's getting a little close to blaming the victim for dressing sexy.

Exactly. What OSU did was safer than the suggestions above. It's just that the rules were not followed. Dropping back and throwing the ball way of bounds is about the lowest-risk way to burn those last four seconds. Should OSU have allowed Central Michigan to be in the game? No. DId OSU win the game by the rules? Yes. Did their last play effectively run the last four seconds off the clock? Yes. Did the refs change the outcome of the game? Yes. This is pretty simple.

Bu hey, it's all good. For potentially ruining an entire season of a team, the officials are suspended for 2 games. So evens up, right?

There have been similar endings in other games:


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The game ended. We know there are circumstances in which a game cannot end on a penalty. The head referee of the officiating crew should know that rule--NO EXCUSE!

Are any of the officials (on field or in the booth reviewing) allowed to talk to the head official?

Looks like among all the game officials; someone should have known the rule; called for a huddle among officials--looked at the rule and ruled that the game was over.

NCAA needs to address this in the off season.

Even though I don't have the rules memorized, I've heard it repeated often "a game cannot end on a defensive penalty." Now, that statement, and the fact that it declares "defensive" inherently implies that the case is differenct for offensive penalties. So as an official it would have at the least given me pause.

Of course, there's no chance that MAC officials would have any interest in furthering a Cinderella story for a MAC team, right?

Too bad the OSU Cowboys couldn't give those 4 seconds to the Dallas Cowboys.

It's OVER. Move on people.

The Big 12 hasn't looked great, but the SEC has one team ranked in the top 14. Their next two teams ranked (Georgia, Tennessee) almost lost to Nicholls State and Appalachian State at home. Who else besides Alabama do you expect to be so good from the SEC? This SEC probably looks weaker this year than they have in years.

The thing about the SEC is they have so many players drafted every year that many of the teams reload with young talent. It takes them a few games to get rolling but by mid-end of season you see all those teams in the rankings.

It's OVER. Move on people.

It's been a decade and I still see the OU/Oregon thing brought up. It's been two days.

It's been a decade and I still see the OU/Oregon thing brought up. It's been two days.
Thanks, it had been a month or so since I had thought about OU/Oregon. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's OVER. Move on people.

What's the point of this post? If you don't want to discuss it then don't post in this thread.

It's not just the on field officials who missed the call, but also the booth officials. Of course, OSU's coaches could have also brought it up. But, ultimately, it's the job of officials to know the rules.

It's not just the on field officials who missed the call, but also the booth officials. Of course, OSU's coaches could have also brought it up. But, ultimately, it's the job of officials to know the rules.And that, to me, is the confusing part. Since it was MAC officials on the field there were BIG 12 officials in the booth to review whatever might need reviewed. They all missed it? Someone should have known the rule and the exception and acted. The electrical code is large and complex but we as electricians have to know a lot of it and at least have a pretty good feel for everything we might not use often in order to look it up. College level officials can't get a pass because "there's lots of rules ".

And that, to me, is the confusing part. Since it was MAC officials on the field there were BIG 12 officials in the booth to review whatever might need reviewed. They all missed it? Someone should have known the rule and the exception and acted. The electrical code is large and complex but we as electricians have to know a lot of it and at least have a pretty good feel for everything we might not use often in order to look it up. College level officials can't get a pass because "there's lots of rules ".

Agree completely with the sentiment, but let's face it - mishandling of college football rules *probably* won't get you electrocuted...

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And that, to me, is the confusing part. Since it was MAC officials on the field there were BIG 12 officials in the booth to review whatever might need reviewed. They all missed it? Someone should have known the rule and the exception and acted. The electrical code is large and complex but we as electricians have to know a lot of it and at least have a pretty good feel for everything we might not use often in order to look it up. College level officials can't get a pass because "there's lots of rules ".

At the very least, can we not hire some high school kid and plop them in front of a computer with internet access? Google is pretty amazing I hear.

What's the point of this post? If you don't want to discuss it then don't post in this thread.

The point was to troll OSU fans. Listen, I get plenty irritated by OSU and their fans, but they have a legitimate beef here, and lord knows I STILL bitch about Oregon (and Tech) pretty much any chance I get. Those types of losses sting way worse than straight-up getting your butts whipped.

That said, it happens to everyone at some point. I've come to grudgingly accept that. The sympathy vote will work to their favor all year, and if they ended up in contention - which I doubt anyway - that L shouldn't be the end of the world for them.

One reason I'd like this to still be discussed is for the NEXT time this happens. Regardless if it's to OU, OSU, Texas, or whatever. The Big 12 crew screwed up as every bit as much as the MAC crew. Hopefully they learn from this and improve the process and pay a little more attention so this doesn't happen again.

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It's unfortunate poll voters punished OSU as if they legitimately lost. They could have somewhat made things right by not moving OSU down... but then again, a lot of voters don't watch games closely... if at all.

It's unfortunate poll voters punished OSU as if they legitimately lost. They could have somewhat made things right by not moving OSU down... but then again, a lot of voters don't watch games closely... if at all.

Well, I mean, even if OSU had won, playing how they did, they probably still deserved to drop out of the top 25. I love my pokes but it was U G L Y. Hopefully they can change that image this weekend.

It's unfortunate poll voters punished OSU as if they legitimately lost. They could have somewhat made things right by not moving OSU down... but then again, a lot of voters don't watch games closely... if at all.

OSU sure didn't look like a top 25 team regardless. Think they were over rated to start the season. That MAC team put it to them pretty good regardless of the final score.

OSU sure didn't look like a top 25 team regardless. Think they were over rated to start the season. That MAC team put it to them pretty good regardless of the final score.

Sure, I agree... but that's not really how the polls work. If OSU has won, they wouldn't have dropped out of the polls. Voters don't watch the games close enough to drop a winning team from #22 to unranked.

Sure, I agree... but that's not really how the polls work. If OSU has won, they wouldn't have dropped out of the polls. Voters don't watch the games close enough to drop a winning team from #22 to unranked.

Dan that is the way the polls work. Georgia barely winning against sub standard competition dropped 4 places in the poll this week. BTW, Georgia is undefeated. Also the Vols dropped 4 places the first week after beating APP. State. Ok St. would have probably dropped to #26 had they won, or in other words, out of the poll.

Just going off what I assume, the talent gap is much further between Georgia/Nicholls and Tennessee/Appalachian State than it is between Oklahoma State/Central Michigan, so I highly doubt OSU drops out of the Top 25 if the last play doesn't happen.

Dan that is the way the polls work. Georgia barely winning against sub standard competition dropped 4 places in the poll this week. BTW, Georgia is undefeated. Also the Vols dropped 4 places the first week after beating APP. State. Ok St. would have probably dropped to #26 had they won, or in other words, out of the poll.

Those teams were ranked higher, in more visible games, and playing against worst competition. There are plenty more examples of team's with unimpressive wins staying put or moving up. Anyway, it's not that important, but I would have treated OSU as if they won by three.

Sure, I agree... but that's not really how the polls work. If OSU has won, they wouldn't have dropped out of the polls. Voters don't watch the games close enough to drop a winning team from #22 to unranked.

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Kelly Ogle said it best in his 2 Cents bit last night. The Big XII commissioner needs to talk to the MAC commissioner and say if you don't reverse the outcome of this game, no one from your conference will ever play another team from the Big XII again. That's A LOT of lost revenue for those smaller schools!

I had the same though but let's be honest. Unless you're Texas or OU filling those 3 non conference games can be a challenge. Even OU settled for playing a directional school last Saturday.

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Kelly Ogle said it best in his 2 Cents bit last night. The Big XII commissioner needs to talk to the MAC commissioner and say if you don't reverse the outcome of this game, no one from your conference will ever play another team from the Big XII again. That's A LOT of lost revenue for those smaller schools!

The legal sports books would have gone insane. The illegal ones would be looking for retribution. Additionally I highly doubt the MAC commish even has the authority to do it.

What's the point of this post? If you don't want to discuss it then don't post in this thread.

Thanks Dan for telling when I should and should not post. I certainly appreciate your help.

Thanks Dan for telling when I should and should not post. I certainly appreciate your help.

Since you started it by trying to control what people post, you don't have much ground here...

Well, tonight we're finding out how good, or bad, OU's secondary is. It's going to be a long season. But I love them anyway!

Oklahoma schools out of the top25. Dark CFB times for B12.

Oklahoma schools out of the top25. Dark CFB times for B12.

This is *the* worst the Big 12 has been. OU has to start thinking about where it wants to go. To get a shot at a playoff, OU has to win a horrendous Big 12, but winning a horrendous Big 12 forces you to be a kind of team that can't compete with the *other* teams that might *make* that CFP. What a horrific toilet to be circling.

The uber-cynic in me almost wonders if Boren almost *likes* this setup...win the Big 12, claim championships, and don't get too worried about titles. If they happen, they happen.

I doubt the BMD's like that scenario, however...

Personally, this is the most perfect thing that could happen to the Big 12. It's a doomed conference, period. The quicker it all goes to hell, the quicker OU and OSU can jump ship to much greener pastures. I'm holding out for the Big 10, but would take PAC 12. Anything but the SEC. I don't want anymore "southern" influence in this state. Midwest or west or bust.

^I don;t think the Big 10 will let OU or OSU in for academic reasons alone. Neither are AAU.

^I don;t think the Big 10 will let OU or OSU in for academic reasons alone. Neither are AAU.

Is it a matter of the Oklahoma schools are not AAU accredited or that they can't become AAU accredited? Some other institutions that are AAU are Iowa State, Kansas, Texas, A&M & Missouri. Surely OU at the very least would qualify.

Somehow I have a feeling money will be the ultimate determinant in any decision.

You're not wrong. I just feel like OU is one of a few schools you just don't say no too. To me, the real question is if OU would have enough sway to bring OSU with them.

^I don;t think the Big 10 will let OU or OSU in for academic reasons alone. Neither are AAU.

AAU isn't mandatory for the B10 anymore. Nebraska was a member when they entered, but lost it after joining. I suspect UT and OU have long-term B10 plans.

Personally, this is the most perfect thing that could happen to the Big 12. It's a doomed conference, period. The quicker it all goes to hell, the quicker OU and OSU can jump ship to much greener pastures. I'm holding out for the Big 10, but would take PAC 12. Anything but the SEC. I don't want anymore "southern" influence in this state. Midwest or west or bust.

Yes!

^I don;t think the Big 10 will let OU or OSU in for academic reasons alone. Neither are AAU.

But I will say that while there was at one point sentiment for OU and OSU to be tethered, I no longer think that's the case. I think there's a real chance OU could go one way and OSU another if the B12 dies. And I believe it has been telegraphed behind closed doors that neither the SEC nor B10 are interested in OkSt. Not trying to fan any flames or make anyone mad, I think that's just reality at this point. If OU and UT have B10 aspirations, and I think Boren certainly does, OkSt will be in a precarious position either as a holdover in what's left of the B12 or looking for a new home elsewhere.

Is it a matter of the Oklahoma schools are not AAU accredited or that they can't become AAU accredited? Some other institutions that are AAU are Iowa State, Kansas, Texas, A&M & Missouri. Surely OU at the very least would qualify.

Somehow I have a feeling money will be the ultimate determinant in any decision.

It's a BigX requirement that any school added must be AAU accredited. Neb was when they were added but lost their accreditation the next year. It has something to do with the huge grant money the Big X receives. This was the case when all the realignment was going on. If they have dropped this requirement I haven't heard about it.

It's a BigX requirement that any school added must be AAU accredited. Neb was when they were added but lost their accreditation the next year. It has something to do with the huge grant money the Big X receives. This was the case when all the realignment was going on. If they have dropped this requirement I haven't heard about it.

No longer true. Nebraska lost their accreditation. See above. And I personally believe B10 has communicated through back-channels to OU that this would not be an impediment.

Well with the decision (or lack of decision) for the Big 12(-2) to not expand, I fully support OU looking for a place to land. Ideally I think OU needs to look towards the SEC, but IMO the Big10 or Pac-12 would also be fine. Regardless they should be looking elsewhere because the Big12(-2) will not survive and after this, I wonder if that day is sooner rather than later.

Yep, the Big 12 certainly took a step towards breaking up today. Expansion could have provided a bit of stability. I think it's a sad day. Moving to another conference sounds great, but it's a bad deal for the fans and this part of the country. From an OU perspective, conference championships will now be in LA or Atlanta, not Oklahoma City. Road games will be in Minnesota or Mississippi, not Kansas and Texas. Most of the blame for all this falls on Texas, but it's sad that it has got to this point.

This also has to be a scary time for a lot of Big 12 teams. I think OU and Texas will have options in other conferences, but nothing is assured for the rest of the schools in the conference who could end up on the outside looking in.

Yep, the Big 12 certainly took a step towards breaking up today. Expansion could have provided a bit of stability. I think it's a sad day. Moving to another conference sounds great, but it's a bad deal for the fans and this part of the country. From an OU perspective, conference championships will now be in LA or Atlanta, not Oklahoma City. Road games will be in Minnesota or Mississippi, not Kansas and Texas. Most of the blame for all this falls on Texas, but it's sad that it has got to this point.

This also has to be a scary time for a lot of Big 12 teams. I think OU and Texas will have options in other conferences, but nothing is assured for the rest of the schools in the conference who could end up on the outside looking in.

Agreed. Honestly as a complete homer, I'd like to see OU and OSU end up in the SEC, and just laugh all the way to the bank at Texas and every other Texas school.

Agreed. Honestly as a complete homer, I'd like to see OU and OSU end up in the SEC, and just laugh all the way to the bank at Texas and every other Texas school.
OU has to take care of OU and forget about OSU. OU can't keep bringing little brother to the dance.

OU has to take care of OU and forget about OSU. OU can't keep bringing little brother to the dance.

Unfortunately for you, this isn't how these state universities work. When one does well, the other does too.

OU has to take care of OU and forget about OSU. OU can't keep bringing little brother to the dance.Agree. The ONLY thing OU should consider in future decisions is how the decision effects OU.

Agreed. Honestly as a complete homer, I'd like to see OU and OSU end up in the SEC, and just laugh all the way to the bank at Texas and every other Texas school.

That would be nice but the sec will not take two teams from the same state. That is one of their expansion rules. I am sure they could vote to change it but doubt they would for Oklahoma. Not enough eyeballs in state to make it feasible. They don't want another Miss-Miss. St or Tenn and Vandy situation. They want the big state schools.

Unfortunately for you, this isn't how these state universities work. When one does well, the other does too.

It always amazes how much hate osu fans have against OU fans well until they realize they won't get an invite to the big boy table with out the help of OU.
osu fans have hate for Boren until they realize he is the only reason keeping them from going to the AAC.

If an OSU deal can be worked where you pair both universities (OU-OSU) to a conference; this would be in our best interest. It helps a conference with the schedule matrix when a conference has an even number of members (present, 14 in SEC) to expand in pairs.

The SEC could add (expand) Oklahoma & Oklahoma State to the West; move Alabama & Auburn to the East; shift Missouri to the West to set up a 16-team conference with two 8-team divisions.


SEC 16-team Super Conference:


West Division

1. Arkansas
2. Louisiana State
3. Mississippi
4. Mississippi State
5. Missouri (moved from East)
6. Oklahoma (Expansion)
7. Oklahoma State (Expansion)
8. Texas A & M


East Division

1. Alabama (moved from West)
2. Auburn (moved from West)
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. Kentucky
6. South Carolina
7. Tennessee
8. Vanderbilt

Good rivalry potential: OSU vs. Arkansas - OU vs. Texas A & M

As an OU alumnus, I'm pretty consistently embarrassed by how condescending a lot of OU fans are towards OSU fans and alumni. Numerous unprompted comments in this thread take shots at OSU for no reason. Even if OU should potentially look at conference options separate from OSU, there are plenty of ways to make that point with out insulting OSU as an institution. Anyway, I like OKCTalk because the discussions generally tend to be a bit more mature.

If an OSU deal can be worked where you pair both universities (OU-OSU) to a conference; this would be in our best interest. It helps a conference with the schedule matrix when a conference has an even number of members (present, 14 in SEC) to expand in pairs.

The SEC could add (expand) Oklahoma & Oklahoma State to the West; move Alabama & Auburn to the East; shift Missouri to the West to set up a 16-team conference with two 8-team divisions.


SEC 16-team Super Conference:


West Division

1. Arkansas
2. Louisiana State
3. Mississippi
4. Mississippi State
5. Missouri (moved from East)
6. Oklahoma (Expansion)
7. Oklahoma State (Expansion)
8. Texas A & M


East Division

1. Alabama (moved from West)
2. Auburn (moved from West)
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. Kentucky
6. South Carolina
7. Tennessee
8. Vanderbilt

Good rivalry potential: OSU vs. Arkansas - OU vs. Texas A & M

Keep in mind this scenario - OU and OSU to the SEC - was floated and turned down by the SEC. Absolutely no condescension intended here at all - but the SEC won't expand with two in-state schools, and OSU brings nothing in terms of market to the table. That's just a reality. I believe Boren's personal wish is to get OU into the Big 10 (12), and since their AAU requirement is no longer a proverbial line in the sand, I wouldn't rule it out.

The one thing amid all this talk is I just can't/won't believe this is all going to sit unchanged until the GOR expires in 9 years. Something - who knows what - will change before then .

RIght now, OU is stuck in a really bad conference. And there's no clear way out. It stinks.

Personally I would envy a move to the Big 10 more than the SEC. Much higher stature in my book. I say this an OSU fan who has no real confidence the pokes have a shot at either of those. I do think that the last decade has done a lot for the university in terms of stature. They are easily one of the most well run financially in the country. Not sure how much that counts for. They have several prominent sports, wrestling most of which I would dream to see in the Big 10.

Again, I know it's incredibly unlikely, but that is my dream for OSU should the Big 12 fall apart.

Unfortunately for you, this isn't how these state universities work. When one does well, the other does too.

I understand where you're coming from completely, but in terms of the engine that's driving this train, football is the 800 lb gorilla. This has rapidly evolved into a hardcore business, and while I think Boren advocated a position that tried to make OU and OSU a tandem in a new conference some years ago, I think the business realities are that Boren has to govern OU, and Hargis has to govern OSU. If Boren or the legislature in some way try to force both schools into the same conference should another realignment occur, OU will be hurt, because it will limit their options.

Again, I realize it sounds like I'm being cruddy to OSU and I don't mean to be, but again this CFB monster is a business, and any other conference is going to look at how its revenue changes versus how its distributed - and *any* smaller state school with a limited audience base (regardless of its location, be it Oklahoma, Kansas, or Idaho) is going to be a tough, tough sell. And, more and more, I think Boren and Hargis and all the other B12 presidents are starting to realize this. Schools like ISU should be *really* concerned now, because there's almost zero practical chance the B12 survives after 2025 - assuming things don't go through still another upheaval long before then (which I think is all but certain, even if the mechanism isn't clear or even known).

As I said before, I simply don't believe we're going to be having these discussions for the next 9 years. Something, some entity or set of facts perhaps totally unknown to us at this point, is going to drive a change that will make that GOR issue irrelevant. Perhaps it will be that final push to a 64-team "superdivision" with four 16-team regions/conferences, or some other structure, but the status quo just isn't going to cut it over the long haul.