http://www.lostlakesamp.com/

https://www.facebook.com/LostLakesOKC/?fref=ts

3501 N.E. 10TH
Oklahoma City, OK 73117

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13232902_1707370196202015_7948686589991165426_n.jp g?oh=699b1e188f9247478247b0a3cda97da3&oe=57DD0E5B

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13230168_1707370202868681_2767065813772269015_n.jp g?oh=8532c91ad27fdf0dda7b76178f41aa98&oe=57D6442E

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13244811_1707370236202011_5213429607670480695_n.jp g?oh=0b7b34c2abd8b80beca8e76fbd083191&oe=57D26B79

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13221068_1707370266202008_8580964673891926538_n.jp g?oh=dc23e66f846c206427fc6888253a2283&oe=57CFDE98

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13263822_1707370282868673_4270454175899392588_n.jp g?oh=f91d434a7160f152889d0fe2da450c9d&oe=57D7A12C

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13245278_1707370309535337_6185425307940985126_n.jp g?oh=8e4e8fcbf8ea103466d1b824bebac8ef&oe=57D45C83

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13267899_1707370336202001_529500239205962479_n.jpg ?oh=e0889fd6b4fad77cd0811bc966e8557b&oe=57D6AA4F

I saw this proposed about a month ago and should have posted about it.

It's an existing business... Have a small amphitheater and wake board course.

But, they recently leased a bunch more land that is adjacent and owned by the city; obviously to expand and improve.

Looks pretty cool. It's a pretty interesting and unique setting.

I'm going to the Galantis & Snails show in August.

I saw this proposed about a month ago and should have posted about it.

It's an existing business... Have a small amphitheater and wake board course.

But, they recently leased a bunch more land that is adjacent and owned by the city; obviously to expand and improve.

Looks pretty cool. It's a pretty interesting and unique setting.

You wouldn't happen to know if its the same company who runs the Backwoods Music festival in Stroud?

I'm going to the Galantis & Snails show in August.

Ditto!

This is a pretty big deal. Trails, food trucks, camping music festivals?!?

http://www.koco.com/news/oklahoma-city-recreational-complex-will-offer-outdoor-activities-music-venues/39759000?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_campaign=KOCO%205%20News&Content%20Type=Story


OKLAHOMA CITY —A deal has been reached for the development of an outdoor recreational complex that will be the largest of its kind in Oklahoma City.

The Oklahoma City River Trust signed a deal for Lost Lakes Waterpark and Entertainment Complex, which will be located on almost 1,000 acres two miles east of downtown Oklahoma City, at 3501 NE 10th St.

The complex will offer hiking trails, biking trails, extreme water slides, wakeboarding, horseback riding, paddleboarding, fishing, camping and a food truck court that will be open seven days a week.

Officials said Lost Lakes will also be developing festival grounds, which will feature two live music venues. One venue will hold up to 4,500 people and the other will have a capacity of 30,000 people, giving the city the ability to have music festivals with camping grounds.

For more information, visit www.lostlakesamp.com.

Right? I just read that. That new amphitheater is suppose to hold over 30,000 people?! This is AWESOME. And it looks like it has a beach and all kinds of awesome outdoors stuff AND it's only 2 miles east of downtown. This is PHENOMENAL.

You guys should read the comments on the KOCO fb post. Absolutely incredible.

You guys should read the comments on the KOCO fb post. Absolutely incredible.
I am at work and actually had to try not to laugh out loud reading those.

You guys should read the comments on the KOCO fb post. Absolutely incredible.

Crazy.

For anyone that can't get FB at work, most of the comments are complaining about the OK State budget. Why aren't we paying teachers with this money, etc. It's a private development, that's why. Then they argue why aren't the private investors giving the money to schools/teachers/healthcare/etc.... Amazing.

I was talking to my coworker about this and he started telling me this is a fairly rough area. He went to school at Douglass said that area was known for gangs and shootings. I know times change and I honestly don't think there will be much of an issue for this venue.

Any thoughts or comments?

I, for one, am quite glad that the average Derplahoman commenting on news stories like that is outraged at the budget situation - even if the anger is misdirected at the wrong target. Let's just hope that anger carries through to November.

Now, that said - I'm super excited about the ampitheatres! It will be amazing to be able to host a huge music festival like that here in town. To my knowledge, the next nearest facility that could host an outdoor music festival like that is the place near Pryor where Rocklahoma is held - but I'm far from certain on this. But being able to host a huge thing like that, in town, is freaking amazing! :D

I was talking to my coworker about this and he started telling me this is a fairly rough area. He went to school at Douglass said that area was known for gangs and shootings. I know times change and I honestly don't think there will be much of an issue for this venue.

Any thoughts or comments?

The zoo is in a rough area and it does fine. The venue looks like it will be isolated from the neighborhoods and everything around it that would be, so I'm sure it will be ok. They'll probably have security as well to help

It boggles my mind that some people assume that everything built is funded by the government. If anything, this will help schools and the budget by bringing in a large amount of revenue. Especially if they can really turn it into a tourist attraction. All of the MAPS projects were funded by government. How much tax revenue for the city have they generated. MILLIONS!

I was talking to my coworker about this and he started telling me this is a fairly rough area. He went to school at Douglass said that area was known for gangs and shootings. I know times change and I honestly don't think there will be much of an issue for this venue.

Any thoughts or comments?

I was there for a race last month. It's pretty isolated, but I never felt in any danger.

Ditto!

Same!

I'm so happy to see this happening. I was on the property last month for Rugged Maniac, which had a camp center area. They had a small stage set up with a wooded area that had largely been cleared out. It looked great! Excited to see if they can get an annual festival going.

Any update on the progress here? I'd love to see some pics if they are actively building!

This facility is looking to greatly expand and is seeking the necessary rezoning.

From planning docs:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lostlakes022117.jpg

The PUD proposes a number of recreational and entertainment uses to allow a venue for festivals, concerts, camping, horse trails, outdoor watersports within a constructed lake, and a BMX and motocross track. Tracts 1, 2, and 5 are within the areas designated as Open Space by the comprehensive plan, and are City owned property.


Tract 1 is largely kept in a natural state and would allow 5k run events in the west 500 feet of the Tract.
Tract 2 allows primitive camping, general recreation, horse stables, souvenir shops, and a streetcar/train.
Tract 5 allows campgrounds, general recreation, office, horse stables, concession stands, RV parking, BMX bike and motocross racing, festivals, concerts, souvenir shops, streetcar/train, and parking lot.
Tract 4 allows only a parking lot use, and is City owned property south of NE 10th Street.
Tract 3 is property not owned by the City and allows many similar uses to Tracts 2 and 5 and adds wakeboarding/waterslides, two sound stages, eating establishments with alcohol, and limited non-accessory signs associated with stages. PUD-1424 covers a large amount Tract 3 which currently allows wakeboarding and associated water sports.

Is it easy to get communication started with the group behind this project? I have some thoughts or suggestions on how to increase land usage but I don't know where to begin. Thanks Pete!

Is it easy to get communication started with the group behind this project? I have some thoughts or suggestions on how to increase land usage but I don't know where to begin. Thanks Pete!

Try their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/LostLakesOKC/

I had hoped the City would add another damn further down and encourage more growth down the river. At least add some more water in that river. The cross-over section of 35, 40, etc. looks atrocious from above.
Some of these tracts seem like a waste of space. Where will the City develop in 25 years? I think we should encourage more down the river. We know the railroad tracks and Magellin oil segment south of the river aren't going anywhere. Once the Indian Cultural area is developed there's not much land left.

This land is actually owned by the city and leased to the Lost Lake operators.

Perhaps if this takes off another dam would make sense.

I would be supportive of a dam at NE23 as a future MAPS effort

http://kfor.com/2017/05/19/city-council-proposing-to-limit-concert-venues-to-three-concerts-a-year/

http://kfor.com/2017/05/19/city-council-proposing-to-limit-concert-venues-to-three-concerts-a-year/

Wtf...

I've been to like 3 shows here, and they've all been on weekends and ended @ like midnight or a little after... give me a break.

Don't shows at the Zoo have a cut off time like 11pm or so?

"Pettis also says the types of acts coming to Lost Lakes aren't family friendly."

This is the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Since we last had the discussion of the obsession with "family friendly" crap in Oklahoma I've seen multiple articles that have all made sure to reiterate that 'x' festival is family friendly or whatever.

I saw an article from the Oklahoman that, for the first time, made sure to include that something won't only be for kids. It was in regards to HeyDay.

But a councilman using the family friendly sh!t to try and shoot something down, this is exactly what I'm referring to. Ugh

"Pettis also says the types of acts coming to Lost Lakes aren't family friendly."

This is the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Since we last had the discussion of the obsession with "family friendly" crap in Oklahoma I've seen multiple articles that have all made sure to reiterate that 'x' festival is family friendly or whatever.

I saw an article from the Oklahoman that, for the first time, made sure to include that something won't only be for kids. It was in regards to HeyDay.



But a councilman using the family friendly sh!t to try and shoot something down, this is exactly what I'm referring to. Ugh

Maybe they can reunite the Brady Bunch for the next festival and they can do its a sunshine day for an encore.

"Pettis also says the types of acts coming to Lost Lakes aren't family friendly."

This is the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Since we last had the discussion of the obsession with "family friendly" crap in Oklahoma I've seen multiple articles that have all made sure to reiterate that 'x' festival is family friendly or whatever.

I saw an article from the Oklahoman that, for the first time, made sure to include that something won't only be for kids. It was in regards to HeyDay.

But a councilman using the family friendly sh!t to try and shoot something down, this is exactly what I'm referring to. Ugh

Dude. It's one councilman. Chill. You'll be able to go party with ICP at the Gathering just fine. This won't pass. Don't forget your Faygo.

I like Pettis but this is bunk.

"Pettis also says the types of acts coming to Lost Lakes aren't family friendly."

This is the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Since we last had the discussion of the obsession with "family friendly" crap in Oklahoma I've seen multiple articles that have all made sure to reiterate that 'x' festival is family friendly or whatever.

I saw an article from the Oklahoman that, for the first time, made sure to include that something won't only be for kids. It was in regards to HeyDay.

But a councilman using the family friendly sh!t to try and shoot something down, this is exactly what I'm referring to. Ugh

I agree Panda, the obsession with making everything "family friendly" shouldn't be the responsibility of city/state/federal government. If parents want family friendly things, keep your kids at church.

Dude. It's one councilman. Chill. You'll be able to go party with ICP at the Gathering just fine. This won't pass. Don't forget your Faygo.
I get more than upset than I should at this but damn man, why is almost everything so family focused in that state. . . and I really like Pettis as a councilman and what he's done for the East Side.

"Pettis also says the types of acts coming to Lost Lakes aren't family friendly."

This is the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Since we last had the discussion of the obsession with "family friendly" crap in Oklahoma I've seen multiple articles that have all made sure to reiterate that 'x' festival is family friendly or whatever.

I saw an article from the Oklahoman that, for the first time, made sure to include that something won't only be for kids. It was in regards to HeyDay.

But a councilman using the family friendly sh!t to try and shoot something down, this is exactly what I'm referring to. Ugh


Pettis has received campaign contributions from the Chickasaws who run the Zoo amphitheater and is likely carrying water for them (or worse) as the the Lost Lakes amphitheater will compete and take business away from the Zoo. Anyone who has been to concerts at the Zoo will immediately recognize the double standard as the music from the Zoo amphitheater can be heard by the surrounding neighborhoods (not to mention the animals). Pettis is walking the City into a lawsuit. Pettis knows full well that the band he calls "not family friendly" has played multiple times in OKC (Diamond Ballroom) and in cities throughout the U.S. without incident. City attorneys are smart enough to know what Pettis is doing and will probably recommend against Pettis who only got the council to send the three concert limit idea to the planning commission.

Family friendly should not even be in discussion here. This is crazy talk. If the concert is not for kids then DON'T take KIDS. Let the grownups have their time also. Everything does not revolve around kids.

Pettis has received campaign contributions from the Chickasaws who run the Zoo amphitheater and is likely carrying water for them (or worse) as the the Lost Lakes amphitheater will compete and take business away from the Zoo. Anyone who has been to concerts at the Zoo will immediately recognize the double standard as the music from the Zoo amphitheater can be heard by the surrounding neighborhoods (not to mention the animals). Pettis is walking the City into a lawsuit. Pettis knows full well that the band he calls "not family friendly" has played multiple times in OKC (Diamond Ballroom) and in cities throughout the U.S. without incident. City attorneys are smart enough to know what Pettis is doing and will probably recommend against Pettis who only got the council to send the three concert limit idea to the planning commission.
That's sad. I thought Pettis was a good councilman and he seems to be in a lot of ways, but reading this makes me second guess.

Either the Animal or the Franchise were talking one morning last week about the number of concert noise complaints from residents near Lost Lakes. Residents that lived there before the venue was built. I don't know if the report of complaints is accurate but if it's true that there have been a lot of complaints a councilman would only be doing his job in trying to remedy the situation.

^^^^^^^
Lots of speculation here - including smearing a councilman who I have nothing but respect for up to this point - but until this post nobody has mentioned the part that it think is most relevant; the Zoo Ampitheater has been operating for generations while this place has been doing shows for maybe a year. There is a completely different standard here. People who move into the neighborhood across Eastern/MLK from ZA should expect loud music. People who have lived in a quiet rural area may have a more legitimate gripe when a new venture shows up and starts blasting concert-level music.

The contempt for fellow citizens and ostensibly well-meaning public officials that emanates from this site is really off-putting at times.

Urbanized, it isn't just this site, the internet is that way. A lot of the things are off putting but no one is going to give opinions that everyone will like. The obsession for walkaility on this site is off putting for me at times on here. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I even said I like Pettis.

Dude. It's one councilman. Chill. You'll be able to go party with ICP at the Gathering just fine. This won't pass. Don't forget your Faygo.

Whoop Whooooop!!!

Limiting it to 3 concerts is strange. I could see calling for no noise past 11-12 for concerts.

^^^^^^^
Lots of speculation here - including smearing a councilman who I have nothing but respect for up to this point - but until this post nobody has mentioned the part that it think is most relevant; the Zoo Ampitheater has been operating for generations while this place has been doing shows for maybe a year. There is a completely different standard here. People who move into the neighborhood across Eastern/MLK from ZA should expect loud music. People who have lived in a quiet rural area may have a more legitimate gripe when a new venture shows up and starts blasting concert-level music.

The contempt for fellow citizens and ostensibly well-meaning public officials that emanates from this site is really off-putting at times.

This is a good point. A new venue should not be compared to one that has been in operation for a long time.

It reminds me of the people who move next to an airport and then complain about noise - not a valid complaint. But if you live somewhere and they decide to build an airport from scratch and your property now has a bunch of noise - that's a valid complaint. I think the neighborhood Pettis is representing has a valid complaint.

I do agree that limiting the number of shows is strange, and a curfew time would be more appropriate. Can the city instruct a business how many times per year it can operate? I don't think so, but it can limit the hours of the day if it disturbs the peace.

^Serious question for those who know the law. Not rhetorical.

I do agree that limiting the number of shows is strange, and a curfew time would be more appropriate. Can the city instruct a business how many times per year it can operate? I don't think so, but it can limit the hours of the day if it disturbs the peace.

^Serious question for those who know the law. Not rhetorical.

Isnt the city leasing the park/amphitheater to the operator? If they are, then they can tell them to jump, and they better say "how high?". If not, then they probably couldn't.

Isnt the city leasing the park/amphitheater to the operator? If they are, then they can tell them to jump, and they better say "how high?". If not, then they probably couldn't.

Thanks. I wasn't aware they were leasing it from the city. I had assumed this was private property.

Isnt the city leasing the park/amphitheater to the operator? If they are, then they can tell them to jump, and they better say "how high?". If not, then they probably couldn't.

From today in the city paper.
Most of the park is situated on property leased from the Oklahoma City Riverfront Redevelopment Authority.

Pettis has proposed limiting concerts on a section of the park owned by Lost Lakes Development LLC to three per year, and only on Fridays, Saturdays or legal holidays
(http://newsok.com/limits-to-concerts-at-lost-lake-venue-to-be-reviewed-by-oklahoma-city-planning-commission/article/5550046)

So I am looking @ aerial of the location of the stage and then the nearest residences.

The neighborhood I am pretty sure the complaints are from is surrounded by the following:

Recycling plant
Concrete Mixing Plant
Oil/Natural Gas pumpsite with tank batteries
Lost Lakes grounds


I would guess they aren't exactly used to tranquil sounds of nature. I am genuinely curious about the number of complaints and who/where they are coming from.

There's a pretty dense residential neighborhood 1/4 mile west of the amphitheater, somewhat further and less dense to the north and northeast. I'd be calling my councilman every day if someone put an amphitheater that close to my house.


https://s16.postimg.org/951k97i79/lostlakes_2.jpg

like mkjeeves, if i lived that close, id probably be pretty annoyed and ask for some sort of limits on the "goings-on" there too.

Someone mentioned the Diamond Ballroom...that's great, but it's indoors so noise isn't really a factor....and no one lives near the Diamond. The closest neighbor is almost 1/2 mile as the bird flies.

Being an amphitheater makes a difference, at least for me. What type of concert goes on there, i dont care. It doesn't have to be "family friendly". Kind of like Deadpool. It's rated R but some idiot parents still took their kids. As if an R film was ever ok for a 10 year old. But if i lived near this place, i would ask that some ordinance was in place to keep the noise down by some point so i could actually sleep.

From today in the city paper.
Most of the park is situated on property leased from the Oklahoma City Riverfront Redevelopment Authority.

Pettis has proposed limiting concerts on a section of the park owned by Lost Lakes Development LLC to three per year, and only on Fridays, Saturdays or legal holidays
(http://newsok.com/limits-to-concerts-at-lost-lake-venue-to-be-reviewed-by-oklahoma-city-planning-commission/article/5550046)

This discussion seems to be missing the central point. The zoning for a Lost Lakes amphitheater was approved by the planning commission and city council and afterwards millions of dollars were invested based on that approval. For the city council to say "just kidding" at this point is going to result in a brutal slapping of OKC in the courts. Taxpayers get ready, this is going to leave a mark.

As well, I predict a vigorous challenge in the courts if Council follows Pettus' lead.

Good article by Free Press OKC:

https://freepressokc.com/lost-lakes-proposal-financial-harm/

Pettis comes across as a frustrated child throwing a temper tantrum in that article. Tract 5 is nowhere near developed. You can't just suddenly expect an operation to move their entire venue to another piece of land.

Makes a lot more sense.


But Pettis insists that he is not trying to shut down concerts at the Lost Lakes Amphitheater in east Oklahoma City on the Oklahoma River.

Instead, the Oklahoma City Ward 7 Councilman only wants to limit how close to a nearby neighborhood concerts are being held.

“I just want to give the neighborhood some relief,” Pettis told Free Press Tuesday morning in city hall.

“If they [the Skeens] would just read they could tell that they can have as many concerts as they want in tract 5,” said Pettis.

That page links to another article that expands on the history. They were having concerts they were not zoned for, and complaints from neighbors about noise, before the recent change in zoning.

https://freepressokc.com/will-lost-lakes-loose-new-proposal/

As usual, issues like this tend to be nuanced and multi-faceted. Just because someone is quicker to media coverage of their side of things doesn't mean that you're getting the entire story.

Pettis reverses course:

https://freepressokc.com/councilman-reverses-course-lost-lakes-proposal/

Pettis was about to get the City in a lawsuit they couldn't win. Good move to stand down.

From the linked story:

The latest resolution Pettis added to the agenda Friday afternoon calls for the usual procedure of measuring noise for code violations and then addressing those violations if they occur.

“That’s the way they ought to do it,” said Eric Groves, attorney for Lost Lakes Development, LLC. “It’s the right approach to addressing that kind of a problem.”

From the ordinance:


Prohibited...

Radios, television equipment, electronic audio equipment, musical instruments and similar devices. Operating or permitting the use or operation of any device designed for sound production, amplification, or reproduction, including but not limited to any radio, musical instrument, phonograph, television set, tape recorder, loud speaker, or other similar device:

a. if plainly audible within any dwelling unit which is not the source of the sound;

Seems reasonable.