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OKCDrummer77 07-07-2017, 10:02 AM I want to see this area become dense. The renderings look nice. I just don't know how much confidence I have in this getting done. I'm afraid it won't be Strawberry Fields forever. It'll be Strawberry Fields until they run out of money.
Also, the name sucks. But I guess we're just lucky they didn't name it Why Don't We Do It In The Road.
I want to move there and live in Apartment Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
bchris02 07-07-2017, 10:33 AM I can already see this being something to get excited about. In a year or so, expect a Walmart Super Center to be the first anchor with a lot of surface parking. I'm not seeing that in the renderings but I am for the site plan.
I also don't see this to be that good of urban planning for the core. Lots of parking, no alleys just parking in the middle of fairly large blocks. Anyone car to take a guess at how much it would take to develop this?
I should make this clear, I'm not hating on this development. Playing devils advocate here. Many here know my support for sprawl and cars. I'd certainly settle for a Walmart Supercenter to see this built. I just don't want to see one proposed and gets built while these renderings get lost like the Lower Bricktown and Tuscana ones. I can't even find the rendering for Lower Bricktown anymore online.
Hopefully the city has learned its lesson and knows better than to allow something like this. When Lower Bricktown was being developed, there was this mindset that any development is better than none at all so that is why anything Hogan proposed was rubber-stamped without question. I think today standards are higher and there will be more voices promoting quality, urban development in this area. Developers are less likely to get away with doing the bare minimum just because they are developing something. Downtown isn't in the dire straits it was still in at the time Lower Bricktown was being developed.
Plutonic Panda 07-07-2017, 01:25 PM Hopefully the city has learned its lesson and knows better than to allow something like this. When Lower Bricktown was being developed, there was this mindset that any development is better than none at all so that is why anything Hogan proposed was rubber-stamped without question. I think today standards are higher and there will be more voices promoting quality, urban development in this area. Developers are less likely to get away with doing the bare minimum just because they are developing something. Downtown isn't in the dire straits it was still in at the time Lower Bricktown was being developed.
I'm sure you remember the rumors of Walmart scouting around downtown. Oklahoma City has a history of developers proposing great things and the final product not being what was shown or scaled back. A lot of it canceled. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see this whole thing being a ploy for a downtown Walmart and other big box retail.
The big box retail is shown on the site plan but not in the renderings which is weird as well. Something just seems sketchy as f.ck to me here about this.
I don't think anything is sketchy about this, just think the reporting on this story didn't answer many questions and begged a bunch more.
This is actually very similar to the 'Triangle' that was first proposed by Anthony McDermid and others for what is now Deep Deuce. They acquired a bunch of key properties, but together similar master plans and went from there.
And that district has turned out pretty great and is getting close to being fully built out. That original group did some small original development then spun off other properties which were in turn developed and then other investors / developers started filling in the surround properties.
And like here, there were a bunch of properties not owned by the group that did all the conceptualization.
One difference is that the city has specific guidelines (such as minimum heights) for any development in this area that hopes to receive incentives / TIF.
I really think this will develop very similarly to Deep Deuce and that is not a bad model to follow.
bchris02 07-07-2017, 01:33 PM I'm sure you remember the rumors of Walmart scouting around downtown. Oklahoma City has a history of developers proposing great things and the final product not being what was shown or scaled back. A lot of it canceled. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see this whole thing being a ploy for a downtown Walmart and other big box retail.
The big box retail is shown on the site plan but not in the renderings which is weird as well. Something just seems sketchy as f.ck to me here about this.
Last I heard, the Walmart will likely be associated with the 4th and EK Gaylord development and will be a Neighborhood Market. I think an urban Walmart downtown could be very beneficial and the company has shown in recent years they are willing to tailor their concept for urban environments. I would prefer a Crest or Uptown Market, but downtown OKC desperately needs a grocery store and if Walmart is willing to adhere to urban standards, I'm for it.
I don't think anything is sketchy about this, just think the reporting on this story didn't answer many questions and begged a bunch more.
This is actually very similar to the 'Triangle' that was first proposed by Anthony McDermid and others for what is now Deep Deuce. They acquired a bunch of key properties, but together similar master plans and went from there.
And that district has turned out pretty great and is getting close to being fully built out. That original group did some small original development then spun off other properties which were in turn developed and then other investors / developers started filling in the surround properties.
And like here, there were a bunch of properties not owned by the group that did all the conceptualization.
One difference is that the city has specific guidelines (such as minimum heights) for any development in this area that hopes to receive incentives / TIF.
I really think this will develop very similarly to Deep Deuce and that is not a bad model to follow.
I would agree with this completely. I think Deep Deuce is a better comparison than Lower Bricktown.
catch22 07-07-2017, 01:34 PM I hope this doesn't get built too fast. Letting the district mature as you build allows mistakes in planning to be corrected and allows some properties to be built with different styles and themes and prevents the "Disney" feel.
Anonymous. 07-07-2017, 01:40 PM It doesn't matter where the downtown grocery store is, as long as it is close to a streetcar stop. In which, 4th and EKG, is very close to stops #9 and #10 of the route.
UnFrSaKn 07-07-2017, 10:14 PM OKC Central Chat
Steve Lackmeyer replied:
Pat Salame, who is still acquiring property for Strawberry Fields, does not have a completed master plan for the project. Renderings were posted online by GSB that have since been removed and Salame told me they were at best a big dream vision for what was possible for the area that were shown to retailers at the most recent International Shopping Center conference. Strawberry Fields will likely be a phased development and yes, the plan is still a work in progress.
Plutonic Panda 07-08-2017, 12:09 AM I don't think anything is sketchy about this, just think the reporting on this story didn't answer many questions and begged a bunch more.
This is actually very similar to the 'Triangle' that was first proposed by Anthony McDermid and others for what is now Deep Deuce. They acquired a bunch of key properties, but together similar master plans and went from there.
And that district has turned out pretty great and is getting close to being fully built out. That original group did some small original development then spun off other properties which were in turn developed and then other investors / developers started filling in the surround properties.
And like here, there were a bunch of properties not owned by the group that did all the conceptualization.
One difference is that the city has specific guidelines (such as minimum heights) for any development in this area that hopes to receive incentives / TIF.
I really think this will develop very similarly to Deep Deuce and that is not a bad model to follow.
Good news then! Have you heard anything further on the Walmart?
It's Walmart Neighborhood Market that has been looking around downtown, not a full Walmart Store.
traxx 07-10-2017, 09:10 AM Something like this
http://i.imgur.com/lLT4fUq.jpg
or this
http://i.imgur.com/BBbB2V2.jpg
isn't so bad. But I'd rather have an Uptown Grocery in the area. I just think it would fit better. Plus, it's local.
HangryHippo 07-10-2017, 09:11 AM But I'd rather have an Uptown Grocery in the area. I just think it would fit better. Plus, it's local.
I'd rather have an Uptown Grocery in Midtown or along Automobile Alley, but a Walmart Neighborhood Market would be a great addition to downtown.
On thing about WMHM is they care a wide assortment of household items other than food, and have a full-blown pharmacy.
Shipt also delivers exclusively from Walmart and is a pretty good service
I actually think it would be a good fit downtown for those reasons and I've heard they have been looking around west downtown (but absolutely not in Strawberry Fields).
HangryHippo 07-10-2017, 09:18 AM On thing about WMHM is they care a wide assortment of household items other than food, and have a full-blown pharmacy.
Shipt also delivers exclusively from Walmart and is a pretty good service
I actually think it would be a good fit downtown for those reasons and I've heard they have been looking around west downtown (but absolutely not in Strawberry Fields).
West downtown is kind of surprising to me. Are grocery stores big enough drivers of traffic (i.e. beneficial for a mixed-use development in Midtown)?
Any decent-sized grocery store needs space for the building and parking.
A typical Neighborhood Market is 38,000 SF, which is almost an acre just for the footprint.
There are very few places in/near downtown where that type of land is available, especially at a reasonable price.
Urbanized 07-10-2017, 09:25 AM Having been in the urban WMNM in Bentonville, I can say without a doubt I'd love it and so would most everyone else, and this is coming from someone who avoids shopping at regular Wal-Marts like the plague. It was closer to a Whole Foods (or maybe Uptown Market) than it was to the WMNM we are familiar with here. Incredible selection, tons of organics, etc. That said, it's in Bentonville. I doubt the commitment would be the same to other cities.
ChrisHayes 07-10-2017, 09:28 AM How about 4th and Shartel for the grocery, or is it too far from the core?
shawnw 07-10-2017, 09:33 AM 4th and Shartel is owned by OCURA I think? Not sure they could put a grocery there if they wanted? Well, I guess if they put out an RFP and the only thing that comes back is a grocery that would work? Not sure about the use rules for OCURA land...
2Lanez 07-10-2017, 09:39 AM I'd have to think as soon as one grocery went in downtown, a second would jump in on the other side to compete. Right? If Wal-Mart were to invest, it proves feasibility.
KayneMo 07-10-2017, 09:41 AM Wasn't the lot at 4th and Gaylord/Broadway drawing interest for a grocery?
Wasn't the lot at 4th and Gaylord/Broadway drawing interest for a grocery?
That's not happening any time soon (the entire development).
traxx 07-10-2017, 11:32 AM That's not happening any time soon (the entire development).
Are you saying the Times Square thing isn't going to happen?
Are you saying the Times Square thing isn't going to happen?
No, saying it is not going to happen any time soon.
traxx 07-10-2017, 12:10 PM No, saying it is not going to happen any time soon.
Ah. I see.
UnFrSaKn 07-24-2017, 03:23 PM Is WestPark District another "Bricktown Tower"?
Plutonic Panda 07-29-2017, 04:12 PM So I was just banned for posting on their Facebook page because I posted an opinion that I had of them laying to claim an opinion. I'll post more about this later and the screenshots they asked me not take of our conversation on Facebook(which means nothing) on this website they referred to as a 'rumor mill.'
Here is a response I wrote to post only to find they banned me before I could post it it.
"My criticism of your professionalism, or lack thereof, is based from my "wisdom" preparing to go into to civil engineering and city planning while as a current arts student, I monitor and chat with a lot of developers and I have not yet ever seen one talk the way you talk with people over social media or use words like the way you described certain areas of the suburbs of a big box wasteland. That's a first. On rumor mill sites, sure, but not from someone touting they supposedly have billions of dollars worth of investment going into a development.
Unless of course you are referring to what the city is investing then sure. Anyone could make a Facebook page, come up with a cool name(I do like the name you chose), and with a few years practice even as a hobby come up with beautiful renderings of a fictitious development.
Once again, I'm not against you and believe me, I'd even consider buying a condo or an apartment here when this is built. But you don't seem to be able to take criticism well and that's another one of my worries.
That coupled with the fact you haven't included the big box retail in the renderings except for the site plan, which if I recall right, you filed with the city(again folks, don't excited;it doesn't take anyone special to file a site plan with the city). Those were my initial concerns about the Walmart possibility. I know for a fact Walmart has been interested before and still is looking to build another super center someone around the core. I hate Walmart with a passion.
That all being said, I believe in the free market and their right to build as long as it meets city code and unfortunately Oklahoma City is a less than sophisticated city. A lot of their zoning codes, laws, ways of doing, design review ordinances, etc. are more akin to a backwards society than a forward thinking one like the cities you always hear about(Austin, Portland, Denver, Seattle, etc.).
That is not their fault however and if they meet the zoning requirements, then they should be able to build. My concern and point behind all of this is that developers should care for the community and go above and beyond what is expected of them by the city(Lord knows they used to). So let me find out you "phase one" consists of building the big box retail first.
I should also clarify, I'm not against big box retail. I am pro-sprawl and pro-automobile. But I'm the core, things should be dense. That's my personal taste and belief for a healthy city. Big box can function in their but not with the amount of surface parking you have proposed. Any jackass can go to Dallas and see developments with big box that are stacked with structured parking.
Needless to say, again I'll be watching this closely, and I really hope your development site plans are extremely preliminary."
I also had more posted that I will go back on and provide more context to but this is ridiculous and I am going to go out of my way to express my distrust for these people at every opportunity possible. Unfortunately for me that includes only commenting on articles at this as I'm 1,200 miles away. I will also write the city about this development.
BTW, they claim to be about walkabilty. Fine. I support that in the core. If they were so concerned about it and were experts, they wouldn't have superblocks in their renderings with parking in the middle surrounded by apartment mega developments. They would have similar blocks, pedestrian only streets throughout, smaller individual developments, etc.
I don't trust these people one bit. Night and day difference between this and Wheeler District.
UnFrSaKn 07-29-2017, 07:21 PM They acted weird to me as well, writing them on Facebook. I'm just leaving it all alone. Sort of feel like I'm being trolled.
Plutonic Panda 07-29-2017, 08:28 PM Yeah I also kind of feel like they're a troll but I don't want to discount them as no threat to the core. If they build the big box with surface parking could take the core in a bad direction.
Which Facebook page are you referencing here?
Strawberry Fields or Westpark District?
That Westpark page is not the Strawberry Fields people.
Plutonic Panda 07-30-2017, 03:58 AM Westpark District.
OKC_on_mines 07-30-2017, 05:17 PM Closest historic angle I could find:
1932
https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-a5da94dbbb07d86308bfd8d4891447cd.jpg
Is it just me or did it look a bit more developed in 1932 than it does now?
OKC_on_mines 07-30-2017, 05:30 PM Wow. I like it.
With all the residential in deep deuce and that which is coming online in bricktown, I would love to see an urban Walmart like this across the street from nonnas painted door on Sheridan and mickey mantle. Next to the plow or even in front of the usual building. All these spots would be right on the bricktown loop streetcar route so if lived in bricktown or deep deuce you wouldn't have to take the whole loop around before you got back to your stop. In getting all giddy about an urban grocery store downtown.
OKC_on_mines 07-30-2017, 05:32 PM Midtown would be another great spot for an urban grocery store. On the lot across from fassler hall would be ideal to me. Right on the street car route.
bchris02 07-31-2017, 11:15 AM Midtown would be another great spot for an urban grocery store. On the lot across from fassler hall would be ideal to me. Right on the street car route.
Yeah having it on the streetcar route would be ideal. The Mercedes-Benz dealership location (since the dealership is soon relocating to Edmond) would also be ideal.
Given the explosion of downtown over the past few years it really surprises me there still isn't a decent downtown grocer. You have the 18th and Classen Homeland which is pretty awful and then the next nearest thing is all the way up on NW Expressway. I wonder how many more rooftops are needed in downtown OKC for a grocer to be viable? SQ 792 should help out as well once it goes into effect. A grocer that opens up downtown can have a heavy beer/wine focus to help increase its profit margin.
T. Jamison 07-31-2017, 05:39 PM I believe Mickey Clagg intends on having another development similar to Fassler Hall on the vacant tract of land south of Fassler. To my understanding, Bleu Garten and the surrounding area is the site he intends to attract a grocery store to. He wants to develop everything he owns around that site until it is the only vacant tract that is left.
OKCRT 07-31-2017, 07:58 PM Is it just me or did it look a bit more developed in 1932 than it does now?
Pei and his cult like followers pretty much killed downtown OKC IMO.
BTW-There use to be a grocery store downtown I believe named Burger Brothers. Think it was just south of Reno a couple blocks maybe on Walker or Harvey.
Questor 08-06-2017, 09:05 AM Is it just me or did it look a bit more developed in 1932 than it does now?
The hardest lesson we never learned: Don't go demolishing your culturally irreplaceable buildings for the promise of building something new and shinny until you are pretty darn sure that new and shinny thing really is going to get built.
Something something Stage Center....
OKC2017 08-06-2017, 10:52 PM funk jr. should really consider reaching out to the strawberry fields people and bring them on board as partner/investors in his energy stadium quest.
since the producer's coop site is now ruled out, the next best site for energy stadium is across the park from the new convention center.
i think the two groups can form a symbiotic relationship since they both need to gain traction and momentum for their respective development projects.
merging their synergies and hop onto the current trend of downtown development just about seems as the most logical strategy. just saying.
Sooner.Arch 08-07-2017, 07:40 AM I believe they're actually trying to have the soccer stadium in the wheeler district. I think having it at the wheeler district will help for the improvement of the south side and make way for even more developments in that area in the future
Urbanized 08-07-2017, 07:44 AM ^^^^^^
I don't believe they are looking at Wheeler DISTRICT, but are instead considering Wheeler PARK, which is north of the river. I think there is some public confusion about this.
Sooner.Arch 08-07-2017, 07:54 AM ^^^^^^
I don't believe they are looking at Wheeler DISTRICT, but are instead considering Wheeler PARK, which is north of the river. I think there is some public confusion about this.
Oh yeah! Thanks for clearing it up!
kevin lee 08-07-2017, 09:39 AM IMO I dont think Funk jr. and the strawberry fields team would have the pockets to pull off something that big anyways. They would probably need a third party and they would have to have deep pockets.
Urbanized 08-07-2017, 10:31 AM ^^^^^
Uh, Bob has more access to capital than all but a handful of people in this state. Like, maybe you could count them on a single hand.
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:22 PM Yeah having it on the streetcar route would be ideal. The Mercedes-Benz dealership location (since the dealership is soon relocating to Edmond) would also be ideal.
Given the explosion of downtown over the past few years it really surprises me there still isn't a decent downtown grocer. You have the 18th and Classen Homeland which is pretty awful and then the next nearest thing is all the way up on NW Expressway. I wonder how many more rooftops are needed in downtown OKC for a grocer to be viable? SQ 792 should help out as well once it goes into effect. A grocer that opens up downtown can have a heavy beer/wine focus to help increase its profit margin.
I so agree with this.....I have to say I'm more than surprised.....I'm a hit shocked honestly. I mean, the law school, acm/uco, civic center lofts, deep deuce, metropolitan/maywood, et cetera ; I'm not abreast of the particulars but I know we just voted/approved looser laws on alcohol so I thought with all the rumors over the last year (or maybe two) from journalists and a host of OKC forums, I surely thought we'd have one in construction by now.
HOWEVER, like I've mentioned time and again. I strongly believe that while we, at one point, were decades behind cities in the same tier/competitive market as us, it is paramount that whilst on this tidal wave/explosion of business and growth and the effort put in by both city officials and communities to foster walkable and mixed use developments with an outdoor room concept that we capitalize on the mistakes of other cities and make this place work for us.
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:26 PM I believe Mickey Clagg intends on having another development similar to Fassler Hall on the vacant tract of land south of Fassler. To my understanding, Bleu Garten and the surrounding area is the site he intends to attract a grocery store to. He wants to develop everything he owns around that site until it is the only vacant tract that is left.
Listen, I'm not one to negatively critique....I'm just loving this growth my city is experiencing. ....but I have to wonder though, why wait? I get it....patience is a virtue. But sometimes I think we can forget how all of the maps 3 projects and all the current city wide developments are literally each a game changer in their own rights.....with that said, with a streetcar purposely designed to service the midtown community, why are we waiting? Lets go big or go home right?!?!?!
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:28 PM Pei and his cult like followers pretty much killed downtown OKC IMO.
BTW-There use to be a grocery store downtown I believe named Burger Brothers. Think it was just south of Reno a couple blocks maybe on Walker or Harvey.
Yeah....I read the article Steve lackmeyer did on that guy lol.....some of the comments had me dying from laughter
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:33 PM The hardest lesson we never learned: Don't go demolishing your culturally irreplaceable buildings for the promise of building something new and shinny until you are pretty darn sure that new and shinny thing really is going to get built.
Something something Stage Center....
This one still urks me to the core.....I worked at a credit union and since that company has a close/knit relationship with them from time to time the 'young' lady running things at OG&E would come into our branch on northwest expressway. If I knew then what I perceive now I would have pleaded with her to not tear that place down until things are set in stone and money is at hand. Especially since now a structure like that would probably face all kinds of ridicule from those with the role of voting on it.
The fact that news channels here covered/recorded interviews with locals who showed Hp to see jet demolished showed the public's acknowledgement and appreciation of that structure and the memories involved.
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:35 PM ^^^^^^
I don't believe they are looking at Wheeler DISTRICT, but are instead considering Wheeler PARK, which is north of the river. I think there is some public confusion about this.
See this what has me confused.....I thought he was teaming up with Blair Humphreys with the wheeler district. Which in my opinion would be a 500ft home run after the 7th inning stretch. Making the concept of a streetcar to the capitol hill south east 29th street district much more feasible and productive.
OKC_on_mines 08-07-2017, 11:43 PM ^^^^^
Uh, Bob has more access to capital than all but a handful of people in this state. Like, maybe you could count them on a single hand.
Hey urbanized,
You seem pretty knowledgeable and "in the know".....so riddle me this
We have billionaires here in OKLAHOMA. Its not like Texas or Utah or other states have all the people with money....yet in some cases the folks with money in other states shell out money for monumental projects in their cities/states.....there was even a billionaire courtside at a thunder game heckling lebron James that got a lil pub from national media outlets. I guess what I am asking is, yes hobby lobby, paycom, Devon, loves, and a host of others have done a lot here and no one could take that away from them....but we are lacking in some key areas (public/mass transit , innovation link, etc)......is it me or are OUr fellow okies just sitting and waiting for the right moment to come in and take us from a tier 2 to a tier 1 city? Am I being too "what have you done for me lately" and forgetting what they have already done?
soonerguru 08-08-2017, 02:23 AM Hey urbanized,
You seem pretty knowledgeable and "in the know".....so riddle me this
We have billionaires here in OKLAHOMA. Its not like Texas or Utah or other states have all the people with money....yet in some cases the folks with money in other states shell out money for monumental projects in their cities/states.....there was even a billionaire courtside at a thunder game heckling lebron James that got a lil pub from national media outlets. I guess what I am asking is, yes hobby lobby, paycom, Devon, loves, and a host of others have done a lot here and no one could take that away from them....but we are lacking in some key areas (public/mass transit , innovation link, etc)......is it me or are OUr fellow okies just sitting and waiting for the right moment to come in and take us from a tier 2 to a tier 1 city? Am I being too "what have you done for me lately" and forgetting what they have already done?
You are dead on with this commentary. Our billionaires are not quite as benevolent as Tulsa's, namely George Kaiser, who is literally matching the taxpayers of that city for the development of their fabulous urban park. He also funds dozens of life-changing non-profits. Then Tulsa has folks like the Schusterman's, etc. Our rich guys in OKC give money to right-wing politicians and oil-industry-related lobbying causes and build bible museums in other cities. Big difference.
OKC_on_mines 08-08-2017, 03:01 AM Soonerguru
I was concerned and felt maybe I should delete that comment because maybe I was ignorant of the facts and not "in the know" ass to why OUr billionaires are waiting.....and what are they waiting for.
But alas, it seems in not the only one who ponders this. Again, I must attest, hobby lobby, Devon, sonic, (the list goes on and on) have all shown loyalty and a desire to commit and foster growth here in OKC. But a cousin of mines showed me the photos of the BILLION dollar investment in salt lake city I believe.....I mean, just a guy with money to spend saying, "hey, we need a first class train station and mall in our downtown....yeah, I've got the funds lets do it." and then walla its done.....residential towers in OKC? come on.....where are the movers and shakers? People act like Houston and Dallas were mega metropolis cities in the late 90's early 2000's. I remember, Houston wasnt the Houston it is now.....nor was Dallas. They weren't tiny but I'm saying it just didn't happen, it took work and dedication but it also took pride and enthusiasm from locals who had the fund to just go out and do it.
Ok, ill shut up now and open the floor for those "in the know" to bring me up to speed.
LakeEffect 08-08-2017, 07:48 AM Soonerguru
I was concerned and felt maybe I should delete that comment because maybe I was ignorant of the facts and not "in the know" ass to why OUr billionaires are waiting.....and what are they waiting for.
But alas, it seems in not the only one who ponders this.
Yep. I wrote this little blog post in 2013: https://urbanlakeeffect.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/funding-downtown-improvements/
I've long had this thought...
OKC_on_mines 08-08-2017, 01:02 PM Yep. I wrote this little blog post in 2013: https://urbanlakeeffect.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/funding-downtown-improvements/
I've long had this thought...
Right on dude.....I like the picture. Where is that?
Sidenote- I think the producers Co-up plan should include widening the canal through their property to allow for two-way river boat traffic AND for people to use their personal boats just like in your picture on that blog.
Thanks for sharing by the way
Mississippi Blues 08-08-2017, 01:27 PM Right on dude.....I like the picture. Where is that?
99.9% sure it's Amsterdam.
LakeEffect 08-08-2017, 04:47 PM 99.9% sure it's Amsterdam.
That it is. :)
Pryor Tiger 09-30-2017, 07:59 PM 14148
I really want to see this type of building in Strawberry Fields. This borders the Sculpture garden park in Minneapolis, just a gorgeous building.
Any updates on when things will start moving in this area?
Why do my pics post sideways?
warreng88 12-05-2017, 07:03 PM Strawberry Fields west, but not wild
By: Brian Brus The Journal Record December 1, 2017
OKLAHOMA CITY – Patricia Salame laughed when asked if the Core to Shore area between downtown and the Oklahoma River is at risk of growing into the Wild West of development.
Salame had just spoken with other business partners and advisers about plans for what Salame Real Estate Investments is calling the Strawberry Fields residential mixed-use project, directly west of the MAPS 3 Scissortail Park on Walker Avenue. The specific details of those plans will be released within a few weeks, she said, and will include targets for retail, office space and multifamily, block by block.
In preparation for the big revelation, Salame recently spoke with all the other property owners in the area to confirm as much agreement of intent as possible, she said.
“We are hoping to control parkside over to Shartel (Avenue). … We’ve got close to 80 percent of the total area, but there are still a few patches left,” she said, of unacquired parcels in Strawberry Fields. “I was just at GSB’s office (a local architectural firm) with a site plan that we’ve been working on for three months.”
“I hope it’s not a Wild West development. I put a lot of time, money and effort into it,” Salame said.
Cathy O’Connor, director of the Urban Renewal Authority, said she’s interested in Salame’s plans, but not particularly worried about developers in the area running amok. City leaders have sturdy outlines in place. The area is under downtown design guidelines and Scenic River Overlay Design District rules that include six sub-districts along the Oklahoma River corridor between S. Meridian Avenue and S. Eastern Avenue.
“As part of the process to create the Core to Shore tax increment financing districts, City Council adopted a policy document outlining the criteria for handling TIF projects,” she said. “And that document requires a higher level of density and design considerations than what is in the basic downtown framework.
“We think we’ve got some pretty good rules in place, although the city will be working to refine those over the next few years,” O’Connor said.
On the other side of the coin, city planners and elected officials have also left room for flexibility in creative design and construction materials, she said.
Construction is now underway on the 40-acre section of the Scissortail Park on the north side of Interstate 40 with scheduled completion in spring 2019. The 30-acre south section is scheduled for completion in 2021. When finished, it will be the city’s largest park, easily dwarfing the Myriad Botanical Gardens just a few blocks away at one-tenth the size.
The park is one of several projects planned and funded by the $777 million temporary sales tax plan referred to as MAPS 3.
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/strawberry012818.jpg
CloudDeckMedia 01-30-2018, 10:01 AM And a good shot of the streetcar maintenance barn, too!
T. Jamison 02-16-2018, 05:30 PM A work colleague stumbled on this fun fact, and I figured I would share it.
A portion of Strawberry Fields in being foreclosed on (Case No. CJ-2017-6730). Strawberry Fields purchased Blumenthal's in March of 2017 for $3,667,000. They borrowed $3,600,000 from Accord Interests (http://www.accordinterests.com/), L.L.C. which is a commercial real estate development firm in Austin, TX (Accord owns Isola Bella on N.W. 63rd between MacArthur and Rockwell, but the rest of their investments appear to be in California and Texas). According to the petition, Strawberry Fields, L.L.C. defaulted in October 2017. The court hasn't awarded a judgement, but this may be interesting if it goes to the Sheriff's Sale. I recommend reading the Petition and First Amended Petition if you're interested in that kind of stuff.
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