I personally prefer "Strawberry Fields; Forever (Undeveloped)" but this will do. It's sad that a few wealthy oligarchs can hinder the progress of an entire city, much less one single development.

Patience is a virtue.......

Patience is a virtue.......

I can see the slim margin of optimism you're seeing. Problem is that we shouldn't have to wait until the family inherits the land along with the playbook a certain parking lot pariah in order to see matters through to the end.

The free market always works its magic.

Debatable. And it’s certainly not a “free” market, but a highly manipulated one.

So we do like or we don't like tifs and government incentives? I get confused. We do like zoning, or we don't? We do like influential architects to hold sway over other architects’’ designs, or we don’t? We like eminent domain, or we don’t? We like planned communities, or we don’t? We like government spending, or we don’t? We like central planning, or we don’t?

Depends on what day of the week it is.

Depends on what day of the week it is.

Not the day of the week. Depends on the situation presented. The world is infinitely more nuanced than it is black and white.

Not the day of the week. Depends on the situation presented. The world is infinitely more nuanced than it is black and white.

In reality it is very nuanced. However, on this and most opinion boards it becomes a matter of whether one likes what is happening or who is doing it rather than the methods or ideologies. Investors and developers generally deal with pragmatism, not idealism. Most investors don't support risk they cannot afford.

Not the day of the week. Depends on the situation presented. The world is infinitely more nuanced than it is black and white.

It’s also the Reddit effect where different people say different things depending on their view of the situation and the distinct nuances that come with each individual person expressing those opinions. So not only is each situation unique but each person’s view can be unique and they can express those views at different times.

It’s also the Reddit effect where different people say different things depending on their view of the situation and the distinct nuances that come with each individual person expressing those opinions. So not only is each situation unique but each person’s view can be unique and they can express those views at different times.

I hate to tell you, but people holding different points of view precedes Reddit by a few thousand years. ;)

I hate to tell you, but people holding different points of view precedes Reddit by a few thousand years. ;)

No, I’m pretty sure disagreements were invented when I joined Twitter, I mean X. Jk

I know you jest but to clarify, I’m referring to the perception that the same people change their minds on the same topic when in actuality it’s different people stating their opinion. It happens across social media but Reddit is notorious for it in larger subreddits where multiple threads with the same topic can have vastly different takes. That’s influenced even more by the upvote/downvote system which can lead to the top comments sounding the same and when you bring multiple threads into it, sometimes those top comments can contradict one another, leading to difficulty in deciphering what is actually true, especially if you’re someone that struggles to separate truth from popular opinion when a distinction exists.

That’s probably more explanation than needed but just wanted to add that clarification.

While nothing is being built in this entire strawberry field, the city should go and burry all of the utility lines. It would be very easy and disrupt basically nothing.

While nothing is being built in this entire strawberry field, the city should go and burry all of the utility lines. It would be very easy and disrupt basically nothing.

SF was in line to get a big TIF grant for utilities but they couldn't get their act together and the City revoked it.

Are these new renderings? Feel free to delete if already shared but just happened to glance at their website today. Still see no movement from them but.

https://www.strawberryfieldsok.com/

While nothing is being built in this entire strawberry field, the city should go and burry all of the utility lines. It would be very easy and disrupt basically nothing.

It costs a lot of money to bury utilities, literally hundreds of thousands if not over a couple million dollars per mile depending on the area. That is hardly nothing.

Those appear to be new. And as grandiose as it looks, it's amounts to as much as a wet paper fan trying to blow away a tornado in El Rino. What good does the image serve other than spark imagination to that of a rotting corpse? It would mean something if that lawsuit gets settled out and things start moving, but right now this is just a bunch of developer fanservice to appease investors. At least to me that's what it feels like.

Realistically speaking, how long have they been putting this stuff out? Now compare that to how long these lots sat empty. That's a 20 year plan that takes 10 years to sketch out, and you're basically 9 years deep with nothing to show for it.

That was my first though as well. Didn't we get this grand vision of this place over a decade ago? They haven't even been able to restore a single building. I hope they pull it off but damn. Those are nice renderings though. Looks like they added some height to that tower on the NE part of the development.

The renderings are gorgeous and exactly what the area needs.

These renderings are definitely new and they are from a new architecture firm.

However, the legal problems are still on-going.

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Sorry but..........OMG!!!! WOW!! I can get excited if I wanna!!

How much does it cost to produce renderings like that?

These renderings are definitely new and they are from a new architecture firm.

However, the legal problems are still on-going.

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I can't help but to wonder if that 23-story highrise also happens to be that one building that was leaked for announcement but quickly rescinded within a few hours.

I can't help but to wonder if that 23-story highrise also happens to be that one building that was leaked for announcement but quickly rescinded within a few hours.

I talked to both the architect and the Strawberry Fields attorney (very weird they just didn't reach out to me directly) and both parties said that was a non-commissioned conceptual plan the architects prepared in the hopes of landing the full project.

In other words, pretty much like everything else associated with Strawberry Fields: grandiose renderings and mood boards with no basis in reality.

The most frustrating thing about Strawberry Fields is that they're sitting on land made incredibly valuable from public taxpayer funds that built an amazing park. This is the perfect spot for a very ambitious project because the park offers such an incredible amenity to have across from your residence or business. But instead (and unfortunately similar to the Ford Dealership lot), it just seems like OKC will have their beautiful public park abutted by abandoned fields for years or decades.

The most frustrating thing about Strawberry Fields is that they're sitting on land made incredibly valuable from public taxpayer funds that built an amazing park. This is the perfect spot for a very ambitious project because the park offers such an incredible amenity to have across from your residence or business. But instead (and unfortunately similar to the Ford Dealership lot), it just seems like OKC will have their beautiful public park abutted by abandoned fields for years or decades.

AND the very best property (the old Goodwill site) was conveyed to them by the City, with a legally-binding timeline for submitting plans, starting work, and finishing, and they've blown through all those dates without any fine or, as far as I can determine, any action whatsoever.

Also, the City tried to give them millions in free money and they couldn't get their act together enough -- after the better part of a decade -- to be in a position to accept it.

Very nice! Reminds me of the Union Station neighborhood in Denver.

Well, this reminds me… I need to post my new house on Facebook. All my friends are gonna really be impressed. It’s going to be great living in that 5000 SF beauty. Here’s what it looks like… oh, yeah, well… yes… it’s a conceptual rendering from the architects. But isn’t it gorgeous? Have I hired builders? No. Have I got this thing financed? No again. I’ve only paid for the rendering. Still, I can’t wait!

The renderings are probably the 5th rendition of a visionary concept I have seen for this dying development. Reminds me of all the excitement around these https://web.archive.org/web/20220825163254/https://www.stratascissortail.com/the-building released a couple years ago. Turned out to be nothing.

What's more likely? Anything happening at the U-Haul site within the next 5 years or anything happening with Strawberry Fields within the next five years?

Obviously, I don't have much hope of this turning into anything, but there is what I believe to be a new financing sign on the lot just south of Social Capital. I could have just never noticed it before.

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What's more likely to be built as proposed: Strawberry Fields, American Heartland in Vinita or the Legends Tower?

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Something will have to happen at Strawberry Fields eventually. The other two, not so much.

Are these new renderings? Feel free to delete if already shared but just happened to glance at their website today. Still see no movement from them but.

https://www.strawberryfieldsok.com/

I look forward to my great grandchildren enjoying this version of Strawberry Fields.

I think OKC needs about another 5 million residents (only a little exaggeration) to fill up all these new housing developments... Strawberry Fields, Wheeler, OAK, Legends Tower (with the 3 buildings), etc.

These developments can attract more people to live downtown, helping to curb urban sprawl and slow the spread of tract housing neighborhoods

I think OKC needs about another 5 million residents (only a little exaggeration) to fill up all these new housing developments... Strawberry Fields, Wheeler, OAK, Legends Tower (with the 3 buildings), etc.

No.