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Pete
09-29-2020, 07:12 AM
This building looks much better in person:

HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/broadwaypark092720a.jpg

Oski
09-29-2020, 08:17 AM
If they sticked with the original design, the balconies would look more elegant, less bulky.

Rover
09-29-2020, 08:29 AM
I think it is important to have architectural diversity reflecting the local style and the aspirations of its citizens, as well as the building owner. This one seems to be a heavy dark hulking mass with a variety of attachments that don’t seem to work together .... heavy feeling balconies that look like an afterthought .... blades of color that look added just to keep the building from being invisible. All in all it looks more like a 1940s styled Russian building like I’ve seen in Shanghai, Cairo and other places. I like lots of styles, but this one just emits depression.

Sorry, this is just my opinion. Glad to have the infill, but sorry this serves as an entryway to AA and downtown on this important artery. Unfortunately with the park on its Northside, it can’t be covered up with another building.

Anonymous.
09-29-2020, 08:48 AM
It does look better in person, but still not good. And it makes me sad to see how much $ went into this and it is just tons of SPACE AVAILABLE signage, depressing reminder of what 2020 is.

The blue doors and window encasements is what is throwing off the vibe for me. But the original design was leagues better, ruined by DDR.

LakeEffect
09-29-2020, 09:47 AM
It does look better in person, but still not good. And it makes me sad to see how much $ went into this and it is just tons of SPACE AVAILABLE signage, depressing reminder of what 2020 is.

The blue doors and window encasements is what is throwing off the vibe for me. But the original design was leagues better, ruined by...

Rand Elliott.

//There, fixed it.

Rover
09-29-2020, 10:12 AM
Rand Elliott.

//There, fixed it.

Ah, this site's favorite whipping dog. LOL. Every bad decision or execution made in Oklahoma is either Rand Elliot or Mike Stoop's responsibility.

shawnw
09-29-2020, 10:23 AM
I _LIKE_ Rand's projects, I just wish he believed in interacting with the street/built environment more/better. And I wish he would give the same consideration to other peoples projects as he wants for his. That's all.

dankrutka
09-29-2020, 11:59 AM
Ah, this site's favorite whipping dog. LOL. Every bad decision or execution made in Oklahoma is either Rand Elliot or Mike Stoop's responsibility.

Well, he very specifically intervened in a good project and made it worse. It's not like it's some grand anti-Rand conspiracy.

LakeEffect
09-29-2020, 03:16 PM
Rand's interior spaces are often fantastic to look at... but his interface with the urban realm always leaves a lot to be desired.

But in this particular instance, it's not about his design, it's about his interference with someone else's design. And as others said, he took a good project and forced it to be worse. I'm guessing he wanted the building killed, but a secondary benefit to him is that his museum across the street looks even grander next to this.

Rover
09-29-2020, 04:12 PM
Well, he very specifically intervened in a good project and made it worse. It's not like it's some grand anti-Rand conspiracy.

I disagree that it was good to begin with, but I do agree it is worse now.

Rover
09-29-2020, 04:18 PM
Rand's interior spaces are often fantastic to look at... but his interface with the urban realm always leaves a lot to be desired.

But in this particular instance, it's not about his design, it's about his interference with someone else's design. And as others said, he took a good project and forced it to be worse. I'm guessing he wanted the building killed, but a secondary benefit to him is that his museum across the street looks even grander next to this.

I believe he was part of a review process and wasn't acting alone. Rand doesn't sabotage or need to sabotage other people's works... that's where I call BS. If you believe that he shouldn't be on a review board, so be it. And if you don't like the style of his works, great. To each their own. But an accusation of blatant and petty subterfuge is just crazy or paranoid.

5alive
09-29-2020, 05:27 PM
I had to look back at the original proposal...only slightly better imho
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SEMIweather
09-29-2020, 05:45 PM
Yeah I was gonna say...there really aren't too many differences between the initial renderings and the final product unless I'm missing something.

BoulderSooner
09-30-2020, 08:25 AM
I believe he was part of a review process and wasn't acting alone. Rand doesn't sabotage or need to sabotage other people's works... that's where I call BS. If you believe that he shouldn't be on a review board, so be it. And if you don't like the style of his works, great. To each their own. But an accusation of blatant and petty subterfuge is just crazy or paranoid.

he wasn't on any part of any official review of this project .... he said he was on the AA review board which had/has no authority whatsoever ...

so yes he very much was responsible for the changes to this project

Rover
09-30-2020, 09:07 AM
he wasn't on any part of any official review of this project .... he said he was on the AA review board which had/has no authority whatsoever ...

so yes he very much was responsible for the changes to this project
This went through the DDRC. Know you hate Rand, but take your issues to them. If they took input from someone you have a beef with, you should argue your case in front of them when you can. Show your credentials and state your case. The hate for Rand is palpable on this site and mostly seems personal. I assume it’s because he hasn’t designed 100 yr old looking buildings and because of his 40 years of doing significant projects in this city has given him a network of supporters and credibility.

Pete
09-30-2020, 09:13 AM
The hate for Rand is palpable on this site and mostly seems personal.

Do NOT twist the opinions of a few to characterize a site with thousands of posters and tens of thousands of readers.

Make your own points without invoking a ridiculous strawman.

BoulderSooner
09-30-2020, 09:41 AM
This went through the DDRC. Know you hate Rand, but take your issues to them. If they took input from someone you have a beef with, you should argue your case in front of them when you can. Show your credentials and state your case. The hate for Rand is palpable on this site and mostly seems personal. I assume it’s because he hasn’t designed 100 yr old looking buildings and because of his 40 years of doing significant projects in this city has given him a network of supporters and credibility.

"i hate rand" i love almost all of his projects .... i have only met him a few times so i don't know him but he seems fine .... he was just very much on the wrong side of this project ... (as well as the okc community foundtion expantion"

David
09-30-2020, 09:56 AM
All this back and forth, is there anyone else thinks the end result looks nice? I like the design we got.

dankrutka
09-30-2020, 10:15 AM
The hate for Rand is palpable on this site and mostly seems personal.

If you find very specific critiques of specific projects as "palpable" and "personal" then I suspect you're projecting your own emotions here. I, for one, have no ill feelings toward Rand and don't know him. I disagree with his role in demanding changes to this project and also disagree with his anti-urban designs that ignore people (see the lack of trees or sidewalks at the boathouses). I appreciate his bold and modern designs. Insinuating this site has it out for Rand is silly. Almost everyone here applauded and wanted to see his Full Moon project succeed. The Heartland HQ is widely praised. Rand gets praise and critique across the site.

LakeEffect
09-30-2020, 10:16 AM
Do NOT twist the opinions of a few to characterize a site with thousands of posters and tens of thousands of readers.

Make your own points without invoking a ridiculous strawman.

Ha, yeah. I certainly don't hate Rand, I just dislike the way he typically treats the urban realm, pedestrian interactions, and projects that aren't his. His Heartland HQ is fantastic.

Anonymous.
07-14-2021, 10:51 AM
Does this building have tenants yet? They should honestly just do a remodel to make this into high-end condos. I know they built out kitchens in one of the ground floor spaces, but you can utilize for commercial-style kitchen. Maybe leave the top floor as restaurant space as it is definitely setup for that. Or make it a penthouse and charge something insane.

With a unit on each floor, you could probably fetch close to a million each.

Pete
07-14-2021, 12:10 PM
Still completely empty.

shawnw
07-17-2021, 12:54 AM
16973

Walked by Friday morning. Seems completely done.

HOT ROD
07-20-2021, 01:22 PM
why put (or market) office space on the ground floor? Why not have it as retail, restaurant space?

chssooner
07-20-2021, 01:59 PM
why put (or market) office space on the ground floor? Why not have it as retail, restaurant space?

It could be that the leasing sign is just on the first floor. Maybe it doesn't go super in-depth, and the office space is actually above the first floor. Could be wrong, though.

HOT ROD
07-21-2021, 05:43 PM
hope so chs

Anonymous.
11-08-2022, 02:21 PM
Still nothing here. Just turn these into some condos, IMO. Although I am sure putting more money into this place is the last thing you feel like doing.

https://www.priceedwards.com/sites/default/files/for-lease/Broadway_Park_For_Lease_1.pdf

Oski
11-08-2022, 02:56 PM
Still nothing here. Just turn these into some condos, IMO. Although I am sure putting more money into this place is the last thing you feel like doing.

https://www.priceedwards.com/sites/default/files/for-lease/Broadway_Park_For_Lease_1.pdf

Putting a brighter coat of paint on it may help a bit, making it look less bulky and easier to the eyes. The whole thing is a disaster.

Teo9969
11-08-2022, 08:00 PM
Are their prices in line with everything else? There is a retail/restaurant space on the 1st floor.

Oski
11-08-2022, 08:20 PM
Are their prices in line with everything else? There is a retail/restaurant space on the 1st floor.

Slightly below market price, but seems like not a lot of interests.

David
11-09-2022, 08:37 AM
Did it get painted when constructed? If not then no thanks to the painting idea, leaving it the natural brick is a far better plan.

Oski
11-09-2022, 10:58 AM
Did it get painted when constructed? If not then no thanks to the painting idea, leaving it the natural brick is a far better plan.

I'm actively looking for a space to open an upscale restaurant, this is a great option price and location wise, but that black, blue, and red combination really turns me off, it doesn't work for my concept, it looks cheap.

David
11-09-2022, 11:01 AM
I'm actively looking for a space to open an upscale restaurant, this is a great option price and location wise, but that black, blue, and red combination really turns me off, it doesn't work for my concept, it looks cheap.

That's not an argument for creating a permanent maintenance requirement by painting unpainted brick.

chssooner
11-09-2022, 11:25 AM
I'm actively looking for a space to open an upscale restaurant, this is a great option price and location wise, but that black, blue, and red combination really turns me off, it doesn't work for my concept, it looks cheap.

From an accounting standpoint, unless you think the color will scare away more customers than the cost of painting and upkeep of said paint of the brick, I think location and price would rule out.

rconnc
03-02-2023, 07:45 AM
Anybody know what is up with the Broadway Park - Marland Oils Building on Broadway and Park?
Seems like the building has been completed for a while but no tenants. Also seems like a perfect mixed use spot for apartments.

Pete
03-02-2023, 07:49 AM
Anybody know what is up with the Broadway Park - Marland Oils Building on Broadway and Park?
Seems like the building has been completed for a while but no tenants. Also seems like a perfect mixed use spot for apartments.

Welcome to the site!

They have been trying to lease it for some time.

I did see plans for a bar on the ground floor but not sure of the operator.

Anonymous.
03-02-2023, 11:20 AM
I think they should just turn the 'offices' into apartments for AirBNBs or long term rentals. Basically do what they did with the Left Frame Lofts in Film Row.

EDIT: Oh yea, I already mentioned this on this same page actually, lol.


Still nothing here. Just turn these into some condos, IMO. Although I am sure putting more money into this place is the last thing you feel like doing.

https://www.priceedwards.com/sites/default/files/for-lease/Broadway_Park_For_Lease_1.pdf

Timshel
03-02-2023, 12:45 PM
Does anyone have any insight as to why it's not being rented out? I realize the design is......polarizing....but is commercial demand just that bad right now? Or are they asking way too much for rent and not willing to budge? Looks like Allison Barta Bailey is the listing agent, who obviously knows what she is doing, but the whole thing is just interesting. Would think there would be at least someone wanting brand new office space if the price were right.

Pete
03-02-2023, 12:46 PM
^

It's interesting since the Benz building right across the street has had no trouble landing some big office tenants plus a nice restaurant and a bank.

Harbinger
08-11-2023, 08:57 AM
I've noticed that as of at a couple of weeks ago, if not longer, there is now signage for an upcoming business called Shots On Rocks. Glad to see something going in on the ground level. Anyone know anything about this?

Pete
08-11-2023, 09:04 AM
I've noticed that as of at a couple of weeks ago, if not longer, there is now signage for an upcoming business called Shots On Rocks. Glad to see something going in on the ground level. Anyone know anything about this?

It's a small bar with no social media presence.

I've been by several times and they progress has been incredibly slow -- not sure if they are still moving forward.

Pete
02-28-2024, 01:37 PM
Looks like this building finally has a tenant.

NextEra Energy is taking the entire 5th floor along with that great outdoor patio.

What a strange setup... Only 14 desks and 75% of the space is for "colab space" or conference rooms. I bet they plan to rent out the bar area/colab space/outdoor patio for events.

https://www.nexteraenergy.com/

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BoulderSooner
02-28-2024, 02:22 PM
it looks like they would have the ability to seal off the back office space .. during an event ..

ManAboutTown
02-28-2024, 02:28 PM
Such an...unfortunate design to that building.

Swake
02-28-2024, 02:30 PM
Looks like this building finally has a tenant.

NextEra Energy is taking the entire 5th floor along with that great outdoor patio.

What a strange setup... Only 14 desks and 75% of the space is for "colab space" or conference rooms. I bet they plan to rent out the bar area/colab space/outdoor patio for events.

https://www.nexteraenergy.com/

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Not strange at all, this is how offices that have employees that are mostly remote are set up anymore.

Pete
02-28-2024, 02:35 PM
Not strange at all, this is how offices that have employees that are mostly remote are set up anymore.

I understand the shift in workforce but I've never seen a floorplan that was 80% common areas with almost no place to even put a laptop. I'm sure the config is related to trying to make money off private events.