You also need to consider that this is one of the weakest demand periods of the year. Leisure flying is essentially non-existent as it is close enough to the holidays that people rather spend their travel dollars a few weeks later to go on Thanksgiving. The people who aren't traveling to see family over the holidays are working or in school and are not taking leisure vacations. Those were taken over the summer or will happen In the first quarter of next year to Florida / Southern Hemisphere / tropical locations.
Those airplanes still have to be flown as lease payments need to be paid. Getting half of the seats filled is better than parking the fleet to reduce for weak demand. In a few weeks the traffic will definitely ramp back up.

all accurate and great points as usual catch

Looks like Alaska is moving the SEA flight to a 7:35pm departure beginning in April. It arrives at 9:40pm essentially missing any connection opportunities, it also is very terrible timing for O&D traffic based out of OKC.

Looks like Alaska is moving the SEA flight to a 7:35pm departure beginning in April. It arrives at 9:40pm essentially missing any connection opportunities, it also is very terrible timing for O&D traffic based out of OKC.

Catch, is this the flight from SEA to OKC? Why would they do this?

Catch, is this the flight from SEA to OKC? Why would they do this?

Approx 1:30pm - 6:49pm SEA-OKC
7:35pm-9:40pm OKC-SEA

Likely to shift flying out of the peak congestion times as well as increase aircraft utilization.

Approx 1:30pm - 6:49pm SEA-OKC
7:35pm-9:40pm OKC-SEA

Likely to shift flying out of the peak congestion times as well as increase aircraft utilization.

Nice schedule if you want a weekend trip to Seattle I guess

Catch, is this the flight from SEA to OKC? Why would they do this?

I was booked on the SEA-OKC flight on Saturday and was looking forward to flying on Alaska Airlines as I have heard great things about them. Unfortunately, the plane in Hong Kong had mechanical issues and crew timed out resulting in being rerouted through Seoul-DTW-OKC. Very disappointed that my 18 hour two leg trip became 45 hours and 3 legs. The bright side was I got to ride in the upper deck of a 747 which I had been wanting to do. If you are in SEA though, check out the new SkyClub that just opened. Very nice club serving local beechler's mac and cheese and clam chowder.

October

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/October2016Enplanement.pdf

Yikes.

I'm wondering where the most seats lost on United came from. Was it OKC-IAH or OKC-DEN?

Either or..those numbers are bad. On the flip side... good news for Alaska

Yikes.

I'm wondering where the most seats lost on United came from. Was it OKC-IAH or OKC-DEN?

Either or..those numbers are bad. On the flip side... good news for Alaska

Weak business demand to Texas/oil markets. American and United share the brunt of that.

Looking at numbers month to month isn't always a good thing it's pretty violatile. We're essentially flat YOY from '15 and Alaska and Allegiant have shown great growth.

FYI - there seems to be a price war between AA and Delta for flights to Europe, with some incredibly cheap R/T fares from now through late spring out of OKC ($420 to Rome for example). Check here for availability:

https://www.google.com/flights/explore/#explore;f=OKC;t=r-Europe-0x46ed8886cfadda85%253A0x72ef99e6b3fcf079;li=0;lx= 14;d=2016-11-28

FYI - there seems to be a price war between AA and Delta for flights to Europe, with some incredibly cheap R/T fares from now through late spring out of OKC ($420 to Rome for example). Check here for availability:

https://www.google.com/flights/explore/#explore;f=OKC;t=r-Europe-0x46ed8886cfadda85%253A0x72ef99e6b3fcf079;li=0;lx= 14;d=2016-11-28

Isn't that less than our average round trip ticket domestically a year or two ago.

That's awesome and is very tempting to book something.

Isn't that less than our average round trip ticket domestically a year or two ago.

Haha yup -- I paid $480 yesterday for a R/T to Houston for a conference next week.

Already back up to 800-1000

With AA sending the 737 here more these days, UAL sending the 737/320-19 and DL sending the MD-88/90... is this the most mainline seats the airport has seen in the last decade?

Edit: Nevermind...I see AA is only sending 4 mainline aircraft a day vs the 8 mainline they used to send before.

November:

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/November2016Enplanement.pdf

Good thing I flew home last month, United would have not had the exact same number of enplanements. I wonder if it was a typo.

Weird that enplanements have been up and down but deplanements have been consistently down all year.

I double-checked that with accounting. It was just a coincidence. All the United co-chairs reported different numbers from November 2015. They just all happened to add up the same for 2016.

I double-checked that with accounting. It was just a coincidence. All the United co-chairs reported different numbers from November 2015. They just all happened to add up the same for 2016.

Thanks. Do you happen to know the source or metrics used by the airport? I ask because the internal data at United is different than the data reported by the airport. For example, United's internal data is broken down into several types of passengers (revenue, company business positive space, non revenue space available, etc.) and over all of the months I have personally compiled United's internal numbers, I can never get an exact match to what is reported by the airport authority. I won't disclose any numbers but they do differ by a significant margin.

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/deals/flights.aspx?o=OKC&utm_campaign=BT_ADR_EV_FB_FDSale_EVO&OLA=BT_ADR_Evo_FB_FDSale_EVO&utm_medium=OLA&utm_source=EVO

$125 each way okc-sea

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Anyone know why AA is flying this route this evening? We've talked in the past about eventually getting PHL but I'm not getting my hopes up.

9900 series are generally non-revenue re-positioning flights.

Perhaps an aircraft went out of service in OKC and the best available spare was in PHL. Or a monthly schedule change left a loose end departure out of OKC that didn't have a scheduled inbound the night before (unlikely).

Just curious, what is the destination with the greatest amount of daily passengers out of OKC not currently served by a non-stop? AUS? SAT? BOS? MCO? PDX? MSY?...what?

9900 series are generally non-revenue re-positioning flights.

Perhaps an aircraft went out of service in OKC and the best available spare was in PHL. Or a monthly schedule change left a loose end departure out of OKC that didn't have a scheduled inbound the night before (unlikely).

Thanks catch.....maybe one day we will get that PHL non-stop. I really have enjoyed the CLT route as a means of avoiding DFW for east coast trips on AA.

Just curious, what is the destination with the greatest amount of daily passengers out of OKC not currently served by a non-stop? AUS? SAT? BOS? MCO? PDX? MSY?...what?

Excellent question - I am also very curious about this.

I lost my file where I had these detailed outfit several years. But off the top of my head:

AUS: 100 people per day round trip.
SAT: around the same as AUS
PHL and PDX: 80 people per day round trip
BOS: 65 people per day round trip
MCO: 150 people per day round trip
MSY: 45 people per day round trip.

It's been a while since I have looked but I used to keep track of this information religiously and had a multi-year spreadsheet demonstrating the growth and waning of all of OKC's markets. Unfortunately that file seems to be lost. But those are the rough numbers I can remember.

So it seems MCO is our winner! Welp, been tried a few times with little success, so I am guessing the others behind MCO aren't going to see n/s service anytime soon. Would love to see AS upgauge the SEA flight to mainline and add a Skywest E jet flight to PDX...same set up as STL has going right now. Although they have about a million more in area population to support it, so probably not something we'll see soon. I had heard SEA was the leader and that is why AS came in with the Skywest n/s service...and from what I understand it does well. So with SEA knocked off the connection list, I just was wondering what the largest untapped n/s market was from Will. Thanks.

So it seems MCO is our winner! Welp, been tried a few times with little success, so I am guessing the others behind MCO aren't going to see n/s service anytime soon. Would love to see AS upgauge the SEA flight to mainline and add a Skywest E jet flight to PDX...same set up as STL has going right now. Although they have about a million more in area population to support it, so probably not something we'll see soon. I had heard SEA was the leader and that is why AS came in with the Skywest n/s service...and from what I understand it does well. So with SEA knocked off the connection list, I just was wondering what the largest untapped n/s market was from Will. Thanks.

OMA has a mainline 737-800 to Sea and E175 to PDX. It seems to have been their growth strategy to Mid-Continent cities: open service on the E175 to SEA to establish market and grow brand in that locale. Upgauge to a 737-800 while moving the RJ to PDX. Connection opportunities can be had from both cities while capturing local demand to both cities. It would not surprise me in the least if this happened for OKC. The merger with virgin america may create some additional opportunities.

OMA has a mainline 737-800 to Sea and E175 to PDX. It seems to have been their growth strategy to Mid-Continent cities: open service on the E175 to SEA to establish market and grow brand in that locale. Upgauge to a 737-800 while moving the RJ to PDX. Connection opportunities can be had from both cities while capturing local demand to both cities. It would not surprise me in the least if this happened for OKC. The merger with virgin america may create some additional opportunities.

I am happy to hear your optimism. OMA's air service always surprises me with its quality given the market size. Their business travel base must be much stronger than OKC's. Must be the Oracle's doing.

It's a pretty strong financial services market

also OMA doesn't have the regional competition that OKC does. OMA only has Des Moines, Lincoln, and Kansas City within 200ish miles. OKC has ICT, TUL, DAL, DFW and Kansas City is not too far from that. ..

OKC has a much larger base than OMA but OMA has a much larger catchment area and with the financial services and several corp hq - it adds together for somewhat stronger commercial market than OKC which has so much competition within 2.5 hours drive.

I am happy to hear your optimism. OMA's air service always surprises me with its quality given the market size. Their business travel base must be much stronger than OKC's. Must be the Oracle's doing.

What's interesting is that Omaha has the most dated airport I regularly fly in and out of. The main "terminal" is just kind of a big room with gates on all four exterior sides. On the flip side, WRWA is one of the nicest airports I regularly see, and always reminds me of a smaller version of MSP, yet it's served by so few airlines.

What's interesting is that Omaha has the most dated airport I regularly fly in and out of. The main "terminal" is just kind of a big room with gates on all four exterior sides. On the flip side, WRWA is one of the nicest airports I regularly see, and always reminds me of a smaller version of MSP, yet it's served by so few airlines.

The only U.S. Airlines that do not serve OKC are Frontier, JetBlue, and Spirit?

OKC has nonstop service to every major city in the United States except Miami. Secondary large cities without nonstop air service from OKC are also very few (Portland, Philadelphia, San Diego, Orlando, Austin, San Antoni, and Tampa). OKC only lacks in volume and frequency. OKC does very well in variety of destinations served. OKC's air service is very wide, but is just very thin.

Some tightening up of the east coast (Florida) and some additional frequencies to certain destinations (NYC and SFO) would create a very robust air service schedule.

SWA doesn't fly nonstop from here to SAT? Balls, that throws a wrench in a plan I had for this summer.

OKC has nonstop service to every major city in the United States except Miami.

BOS seems like a big hole to me, too.

I'm still shocked we don't have a nonstop to Austin

I'd love to see flights to 1) New Orleans 2) Philly 3) Boston and 4) at least one of San Antonio/Austin.

Thanks. Do you happen to know the source or metrics used by the airport? I ask because the internal data at United is different than the data reported by the airport. For example, United's internal data is broken down into several types of passengers (revenue, company business positive space, non revenue space available, etc.) and over all of the months I have personally compiled United's internal numbers, I can never get an exact match to what is reported by the airport authority. I won't disclose any numbers but they do differ by a significant margin.

Sorry for not catching this question before, didn't receive a notification about it. Stations usually report that info and it includes revenue and non-revenue passengers. Would be curious to know if United's internal data, for those two categories, matches our reports.

So it seems MCO is our winner! Welp, been tried a few times with little success, so I am guessing the others behind MCO aren't going to see n/s service anytime soon. Would love to see AS upgauge the SEA flight to mainline and add a Skywest E jet flight to PDX...same set up as STL has going right now. Although they have about a million more in area population to support it, so probably not something we'll see soon. I had heard SEA was the leader and that is why AS came in with the Skywest n/s service...and from what I understand it does well. So with SEA knocked off the connection list, I just was wondering what the largest untapped n/s market was from Will. Thanks.

Yes, MCO was the winner as of 1Q 2016 with 109.8 PDEW. But it looks like SWA is testing out a nonstop to MCO as of 4-3-2017.13418