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from the people i've talked to, that's exactly what the long term goal is. the primary purpose of this route is to help alleviate capacity issues on existing interstates by providing a bypass for interstate traffic passing through oklahoma city. -M

There is only like four hours max out of weekdays it is anything but running above posted speeds, less on Monday & Friday. The rest of the time it will be faster, shorter and cheaper to take 35 or 235

There is only like four hours max out of weekdays it is anything but running above posted speeds, less on Monday & Friday. The rest of the time it will be faster, shorter and cheaper to take 35 or 235

it's my impression that ota isn't just reactively trying to solve an existing capacity issue but is planning to handle anticipated demand based on current trends... i think they're looking 10-20 years ahead. assuming their projections are correct, it's far cheaper to build this now than to wait till we absolutely need it. not saying they're right or wrong, just trying to explain the rationale as i understand it. -M

Unfortunately they are not looking at how much transportation is going to change in the next 10-20 years. Regional desire for public transportation options, living closer to work, one-car households, ridesharing, biking, walking, etc. Plus driverless cars.

Unfortunately they are not looking at how much transportation is going to change in the next 10-20 years. Regional desire for public transportation options, living closer to work, one-car households, ridesharing, biking, walking, etc. Plus driverless cars.

They're building in the real world, not the fantasy land you describe. Other than the driverless cars (and even that is going to take more than a generation, there are still PLENTY of cars from the 80s and even earlier still on the road today), everything you list is what you WANT to happen, but won't.

They're building in the real world, not the fantasy land you describe. Other than the driverless cars (and even that is going to take more than a generation, there are still PLENTY of cars from the 80s and even earlier still on the road today), everything you list is what you WANT to happen, but won't.

I'm not saying this will be a fantasy land where no one drives. Even if only 10% of people change their transportation behavior in 20 years, that's a huge difference for our roads and highways.

Planning and building to incentivize that 10% change is a viable congestion management alternative to 'expand highway until you're totally gridlocked.' Dallas and Houston already previewed that strategy for us, and now they have been playing catchup to provide alternatives to long and stressful commutes.

my understanding is that there will be access every two miles. i don't think that the interchange proposed for ne 23rd is going to be the only access point between i-44 and i-40. -M

My wife was at the meeting, and the engineers and others that spoke there specifically said that 23rd was the only planned exit/entrance.

I would hope that that is incorrect, but that's what they've said on more than one occasion. This will pass 1/2 mile from me, and while I'm not happy about it, if they put a couple of more exits in, it will be fairly convenient to me in a couple of ways.

I think the owner of Old Germany has said about the same thing...But man oh man is he taking a beating on Facebook about his (perfectly logical) position. As angry as people are, and you're going to speak out in a non-NO TURNPIKE!!!!-manner? You sir, are a glutton for punishment. :D

I'm not going to say anything to him other than "thanks for having Chimay at Turek's", that is...Convenient :D

My wife was at the meeting, and the engineers and others that spoke there specifically said that 23rd was the only planned exit/entrance.

The English language can be tricky sometimes. Did they say it is the only planned exit/entrance as in "Once we know where the road is going, we'll determine where additional exit/entrances should go", as many believe, or did they say it is the only planned exit/entrance as in they plan for it to be the only exit/entrance with no intention of building any others? Since, again, they are still in the very preliminary stages, I'm inclined to believe it is the former, and people believing the latter are just grasping at straws to oppose the road.

This was at the meeting where they announced the route. My wife is not grasping at straws and she understands the nuances in sentence structure perfectly fine, but thanks for implying that she's prone to hysterics and hyperbole when reacting to something that doesn't have a lot of impact on her. They've said this several times, in several venues.

Like I said...I hope that there will be more, and more would make sense...But they stated explicitly that there's only one planned.

The English language can be tricky...Are you serious with that crap?

That's the kind of a$$hole stuff that keeps me from coming here much any more.

Can someone help me out here? Are people seriously unable to see a difference between "we have only one planned" and "we plan to build only one", to the point where this person's random rudeness is justified? I don't know another way to explain it, and I personally see a WORLD of difference between the two statements. I just don't know another way to explain it, and this person seems to have taken offense where it is very clear to me none was intended. Is there another way it can be worded?

My wife was at the meeting, and the engineers and others that spoke there specifically said that 23rd was the only planned exit/entrance.

hmmm... interesting. the person i talked to should have firsthand knowledge of the route and the particulars, so i'm fairly confident in the accuracy of the information. what i understood from the conversation was that 23rd will have an interchange and that there will be 'access' roughly every 2 miles. i took 'access' to mean entrance/exit ramps but it may mean something different to the person i was talking to. also there's always some possibility that my source could be in error or had outdated information... so who knows. -M

...and since i have to put on the mod hat here, i have to say that this issue isn't worth getting worked up over. so let's cool it with questioning people's ability to comprehend the english language and any subsequent retaliation. ok? -M

[QUOTE=Martin;945734so let's cool it with questioning people's ability to comprehend the english language[/QUOTE]

See, this is exactly what I mean. Is there another way to phrase it? English can be tricky, this is a fact. Anyone will tell you this, English teachers themselves are proud of stating the fact. One phrase, even one word, can have multiple meanings, some entirely contradictory. This does not mean I question anyone's ability to comprehend it, and yet I'm being accused of it and called an "a$$hole", entirely in my opinion unprovoked.

The. statement. is. ambiguous. I just can't be plainer, if someone else can, please help me out. Seriously.

without inflection, what was possibly intended as an observation on your part as to the ease of misunderstanding the english language might have come across as an insult to somebody else's capacity to understand the language. doesn't matter. let's just get this thread back to topic. -M

Given the oposition to the proposed route with the one interchange at 23rd, I can imagine the backlash by folks in the area if the maps showed other proposed or planned interchanges along the route. The planners know where they want them. They're just not going to show them on a map yet because they knew this project would cause a riff to begin with. Interchanges require more room and more impact on the area.

The greater OKC area will continue to grow and as it does we will need more highway capacity.

I would like to see this turnpike extended southward to the eastern sides of Norman, but west of Lake Thunderbird and continue southward to a point where it intersected I-35 somewhere north of Purcell.

Where appropriate and during the daylight hours I would still like to see an 85 MPH speed limit on Oklahoma’s turnpikes, interstates and even a few 2 lane roads in remote areas.

The greater OKC area will continue to grow and as it does we will need more highway capacity.

I would like to see this turnpike extended southward to the eastern sides of Norman, but west of Lake Thunderbird and continue southward to a point where it intersected I-35 somewhere north of Purcell.

Where appropriate and during the daylight hours I would still like to see an 85 MPH speed limit on Oklahoma’s turnpikes, interstates and even a few 2 lane roads in remote areas.

Completely agree.

The Southwest Kilpatrick Extension Preliminary Alignment meeting will be Tuesday 29 March from 6-8pm at Mustang Town Center.

I find it interesting this meeting is considered a come and go to talk to engineers and right of way. There will be no public presentation. Is OTA weary of the feedback with a group question and answer session? My opinion is OTA is dodging.

Plans for second Oklahoma City-area turnpike to be discussed | News OK (http://newsok.com/plans-for-second-oklahoma-city-area-turnpike-to-be-discussed/article/5486769)

The Southwest Kilpatrick Extension Preliminary Alignment meeting will be Tuesday 29 March from 6-8pm at Mustang Town Center.

I find it interesting this meeting is considered a come and go to talk to engineers and right of way. There will be no public presentation. Is OTA weary of the feedback with a group question and answer session? My opinion is OTA is dodging.

Mustang already had the public presentation.

Mustang turnpike extension meeting draws calm crowd | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/5480859)

This is different I believe. They will present a some preliminary routes, one of which, will be the official route.

Mustang turnpike extension meeting draws calm crowd | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/5480859)

I can't believe they allowed this area to build up when they KNEW they were going to want to have the right of way eventually. Even if they didn't have the money to purchase it then, they sure as hell should have been blocking development on the eventual path.

I can't believe they allowed this area to build up when they KNEW they were going to want to have the right of way eventually. Even if they didn't have the money to purchase it then, they sure as hell should have been blocking development on the eventual path.

And how do they do that without getting the crap sued out of them?

And how do they do that without getting the crap sued out of them?

Are there no legal means available that would have let them control development around the intended route?

Outside of gobbling up all the land in a possible ROW alignments (extremely expensive), not much.

IIRC it bears noting that OTA had largely abandoned extending JKT south of 40 last decade...same with the Eastern Loop. There was no reason for OKC to curtail any sort of development that would now be in the ROW. The sudden revival of this road is totally OTA's call...zero coordination with the cities of either Mustang or OKC.

Mustang already had the public presentation.

Mustang turnpike extension meeting draws calm crowd | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/5480859)

The February meeting was to introduce the area where the turnpike may go. The meeting coming up is where the actual route may go. The February meeting had a public presentation and people were starting get heated up. The answer was always we don't know exactly where it is going, but it is going in this large area we have mapped out. The march meeting has the actual proposed road and people get to see if it will be near their home. For this one the OTA is dodging by not having an open forum with question and answer. The OTA can no longer answer we don't where it is going to defer answering questions.

hmmm... interesting. the person i talked to should have firsthand knowledge of the route and the particulars, so i'm fairly confident in the accuracy of the information. what i understood from the conversation was that 23rd will have an interchange and that there will be 'access' roughly every 2 miles. i took 'access' to mean entrance/exit ramps but it may mean something different to the person i was talking to. also there's always some possibility that my source could be in error or had outdated information... so who knows. -M

Like I said. I would HOPE that there's better/more access, and that he misspoke or was mistaken. But there was a measure of specificity to the point where the FB pages had other people that were in attendance quoting him and asking the (valid) question of: If there's no access, how can it be an economic benefit to the area like they're claiming?

I'd love an entrance/exit on 29th. That would be very convenient for me, even if more traffic would be going by my house lol

The SW Preliminary Etx. has been announced.

Driving Forward OK (http://www.drivingforwardok.com/#!Southwest-Kilpatrick-Extension-Preliminary-Alignment-Announced/tgcb1/56fb0d500cf226b8e685e468)

One thing I already don't like is the lack of flyovers at I-40 and the left hand exit ramps at SH152.

The SW Preliminary Etx. has been announced.

Driving Forward OK (http://www.drivingforwardok.com/#!Southwest-Kilpatrick-Extension-Preliminary-Alignment-Announced/tgcb1/56fb0d500cf226b8e685e468)

One thing I already don't like is the lack of flyovers at I-40 and the left hand exit ramps at SH152.

How can you tell? The online map has the extension in YELLOW. I can't really see what they are doing at either interchange.

How can you tell? The online map has the extension in YELLOW. I can't really see what they are doing at either interchange.It shows a new flyover being built at I-40 and how they are setting up the interchanges. They might change. I'll post the image tomorrow, or at least the one I'm seeing.

I went to the meeting for the SW extension and it was a waste of time. There was someone to answer questions at each table that had map. There was a crowd around each table. I went around to a few tables to hear the conversation. All I heard for answers was maybe, we are not sure yet, that is a possibility, it could happen, I don't know.

It is confirmed the turnpike will be right against my neighborhood. I know my property value will go down, because not many will want to buy my house next to a turnpike. However, I doubt there is a means for compensation.

Overall I feel the turnpike will ruin the area in how it feels and looks. You would have live in my part of town to know what I mean.

I've driven down Sara Rd time and time again to get Wendy's for lunch on 152 from up at Reno. So I don't really know what you mean other than that being an excuse for a lot of crappy two laned roads. I'll take the turnpike how it is. It leads directly to my work, lol.

It seems like they did what most expected. I'd say it's about as minimal as they can get considering all the neighborhoods in the area.

I thought this road was suppose to go to Norman/I-35 area? That is what is needed....in my opinion.

I thought this road was suppose to go to Norman/I-35 area? That is what is needed....in my opinion.

That's in ten more years after there's been even more development.

I thought this road was suppose to go to Norman/I-35 area? That is what is needed....in my opinion.

This is something like Phase 1 of a SW Loop.

I went to the meeting for the SW extension and it was a waste of time. There was someone to answer questions at each table that had map. There was a crowd around each table. I went around to a few tables to hear the conversation. All I heard for answers was maybe, we are not sure yet, that is a possibility, it could happen, I don't know.

It is confirmed the turnpike will be right against my neighborhood. I know my property value will go down, because not many will want to buy my house next to a turnpike. However, I doubt there is a means for compensation.

Overall I feel the turnpike will ruin the area in how it feels and looks. You would have live in my part of town to know what I mean.
Your property value will go down! LOLOLOLZZOL

Ok, keep us updated on that. :)

Proposed route of Mustang-area turnpike is revealed | News OK (http://newsok.com/proposed-route-of-mustang-area-turnpike-is-revealed/article/5488341)

Officials see smoother road for western turnpike extension | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2016/03/29/officials-see-smoother-road-for-western-turnpike-extension-general-news/)

Wow - these stupid roads are still being built? What a ridiculous waste. Sounds about right. Cut mental health, cut medicare reimbursements, build a bunch of roads we don't need!

Yes. They are going to continue to be built and especially as more Americans are yet again, moving back to the suburbs. New highways and major reconstructions are being built all over the country. Your fantasy world is not going to happen.

One other thing they really need to do is secure ROW to connect this future turnpike SH4 which will probably need to be completely upgraded to a limited access highway within 5 years or so. This would be nice to connect down to I-35 and then eventually looped around Norman to I-40. But right now, securing ROW to connect to SH4 seems crucial.

I thought this road was suppose to go to Norman/I-35 area? That is what is needed....in my opinion.

Yeah, I'd like to see it tie with the H.E. Bailey.

Pro-tip: don't buy a home anywhere along that route over the next decade or so!

Wow - these stupid roads are still being built? What a ridiculous waste. Sounds about right. Cut mental health, cut medicare reimbursements, build a bunch of roads we don't need!

Turnpikes are paid for with bonds, not the general fund. These turnpikes are being built now to support the construction industry as ODOT pulls funding for other projects that would be paid for from current revenues.

I went to the meeting for the SW extension and it was a waste of time. There was someone to answer questions at each table that had map. There was a crowd around each table. I went around to a few tables to hear the conversation. All I heard for answers was maybe, we are not sure yet, that is a possibility, it could happen, I don't know.

It is confirmed the turnpike will be right against my neighborhood. I know my property value will go down, because not many will want to buy my house next to a turnpike. However, I doubt there is a means for compensation.

Overall I feel the turnpike will ruin the area in how it feels and looks. You would have live in my part of town to know what I mean.

In general better road/infrastructure access improves property value. When the BA South Loop moved in right next to my neighborhood, it dramatically increased property values in the area.

In general better road/infrastructure access improves property value. When the BA South Loop moved in right next to my neighborhood, it dramatically increased property values in the area.

While this won't be going in my back yard, it will be connecting at Council which is about 4.5 miles from my house. I anticipate to some degree that this would help my property value as I'll be far enough away that I won't be dealing with noise, yet close enough to still utilize it to get to the northwest side. Which I think will be enable me to considering going up to everything on Memorial road more than I do now.

Yes. They are going to continue to be built and especially as more Americans are yet again, moving back to the suburbs. New highways and major reconstructions are being built all over the country. Your fantasy world is not going to happen.

Hahaha - this nonsense again. Explains all the construction in city centers and rising urban population everywhere, even in your beloved LA.

Hahaha - this nonsense again. Explains all the construction in city centers and rising urban population everywhere, even in your beloved LA.Here's an article I came across today: Houston, Dallas, and the Return of the Sunbelt Suburbs - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/2006-all-over-again-suburbs/475290/)


From 2009-11, Americans seemed to be clustering again in dense cities, to the great excitement urban boosters. The recently released 2015 Census population estimates confirm that was an anomaly. Americans have strongly returned to their decades long pattern of greater suburbanization and migration to lower-density, lower-cost metropolitan areas, largely in the South, Intermountain West and, most of all, in Texas.

- The Sun Belt Is Rising Again, New Census Numbers Show | Newgeography.com (http://www.newgeography.com/content/005203-the-sun-belt-is-rising-again-new-census-numbers-show)

Have fun believing your fantasy world though. I'm not usually the one to want to argue with you anymore because it is almost like a brick wall. I've actually moved towards a more pro-mass transit stance than when I first got on here. I actually take the subway and bus all the time now. You haven't changed a bit it seems. So again, keep living in your little world and have fun with it.

Also, just to please myself really, I'm going to post this link-- AARoads Forum - Index (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/) -- for anyone that wants to go see all the new highways coming or that are under-construction.

As for the suburbs in LA, they are doing just fine. The urban areas of LA(Downtown, West LA, Wilshire Corridor, etc.) along with the downtown areas of Long Beach, Santa Monica, Glendale, are exploding. I'm extremely happy to see that. So I don't know what you are talking about and it doesn't make my point any less valid.

Update on the NE OK County Tollway



April 14 Public Meeting Set for Northeast Oklahoma County Loop Design Alignment
April 4, 2016
OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. (April 4, 2016) — The Oklahoma Turnpike Authority (OTA) is hosting a community public meeting on Thursday, April 14 to present the design alignment for the Northeast Oklahoma County Loop. The loop will link I-40 and I-44 (Turner Turnpike) in Eastern Oklahoma County. As part of the Driving Forward plan, this project will provide an enhanced transportation corridor to connect Eastern Oklahoma County to vital intersections in response to the need for increased road safety and reduction of traffic congestion.

At this come and go meeting, engineers and right-of-way experts will be available from 6 to 8 p.m. to answer questions and receive comments from the community on the design alignment.

- Driving Forward OK (http://www.drivingforwardok.com/#!April-14-Public-Meeting-Set-for-Northeast-Oklahoma-County-Loop-Design-Alignment/tgcb1/5702e8540cf2efb3747bd317)

I'm for the blue alignment right now. It would be nice to see them directly connect with 240 one day.

I just read in the Mustang Times today that the OTA is going to pay 50% of the cost to turn Sara road into a 4 lane road from the turnpike down to 152, with OKC and Mustang picking up the remaining 50% of their stretches. So essentially this would tie the turnpike into SH4 and the HE Bailey and Norman spur.

Update on the NE OK County Tollway
I'm for the blue alignment right now. It would be nice to see them directly connect with 240 one day.

Yeah, I like the blue better too. I wish it went even further west though. I'd be more likely to use it to get to Edmond.



It is confirmed the turnpike will be right against my neighborhood. I know my property value will go down, because not many will want to buy my house next to a turnpike. However, I doubt there is a means for compensation.

Overall I feel the turnpike will ruin the area in how it feels and looks. You would have live in my part of town to know what I mean.

I live in Choctaw, and it'll pass within 1/2 mile of me, and (as discussed above) will probably have an exit there. It'll drastically change the area. So I know what you mean. Sort of. My property value went up EIGHTEEN FRIGGEN PERCENT this year.

Way to make up that budget shortfall douchewaffles. :(

This article mentions what I talked about earlier about the widening of Sara Road to connect the Kilpatrick to SH4.

Mustang Times, OTA reveals preliminary route of Kilpatrick Turnpike extension (http://mustangpaper.com/contentitem/411357/1586/ota-reveals-preliminary-route-of-kilpatrick-turnpike-extension)

While the expansion is greatly needed, it's not going to be that effective. With a red light every 15 streets (or even worse, the stop signs that are there now) and school traffic, it would take a 2-3 minute journey if it were an actual turnpike and turn it into a 20 minute ordeal. Wait, four lane? No center turning lane? Sorry, 30 minute ordeal. If I were taking that route, I'd just stay on the turnpike to 152 and take that to I-44/HE Bailey. If I needed something on SH 4, I would actually take the turnpike to 152 and then double back before dealing with the Sara traffic.

This article mentions what I talked about earlier about the widening of Sara Road to connect the Kilpatrick to SH4.

Mustang Times, OTA reveals preliminary route of Kilpatrick Turnpike extension (http://mustangpaper.com/contentitem/411357/1586/ota-reveals-preliminary-route-of-kilpatrick-turnpike-extension)

Forgive my ignorance, but what constitutes a half interchange? Does that mean it only allows on-ramp access going north and an exit ramp from the north (judging by the shape of the semi-circle)?

It will interesting to see how this plays out. The developer is going along as if nothing is happening.

Frustrated Mustang homeowners want to know if homebuilders knew of planned turnpike | Local News - Home (http://m.koco.com/news/Frustrated-Mustang-homeowners-want-to-know-if-homebuilders-knew-of-planned-turnpike/38881968?utm_campaign=KOCO%205%20News&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social)

My question would be how would you not think that that Kilpatrick was eventually going to be extended into the area? Then again, I'd say that is more up to the homeowners to realize. A lot of home builders are in the business to make money and support themselves and their family, not worry about whether a highway will be built through their neighborhoods. That should be up to to the state to make clear one day that will happen(something called planning) and the homeowners using common sense.

Forgive my ignorance, but what constitutes a half interchange? Does that mean it only allows on-ramp access going north and an exit ramp from the north (judging by the shape of the semi-circle)?

Yes, I believe you're correct.

To be fair, I can understand people in Brighton Pointe being dismayed (although if she bought her home two weeks ago she's a classic example of someone who didn't do one second of research into the home she was buying), as that's an insanely stupid path for the turnpike to take. Everyone I know agrees it should have gone down Sara, had we not spent the last 15 years doing everything to make that impossible.

However, residents in the neighborhood directly south of where the current turnpike deadends shouldn't act dismayed at all. As much as I hate conspiracy theories, I'm personally convinced everyone there deliberately bought that house hoping for an eminent domain fight some day.

To be fair, I can understand people in Brighton Pointe being dismayed (although if she bought her home two weeks ago she's a classic example of someone who didn't do one second of research into the home she was buying), as that's an insanely stupid path for the turnpike to take. Everyone I know agrees it should have gone down Sara, had we not spent the last 15 years doing everything to make that impossible.

However, residents in the neighborhood directly south of where the current turnpike deadends shouldn't act dismayed at all. As much as I hate conspiracy theories, I'm personally convinced everyone there deliberately bought that house hoping for an eminent domain fight some day.

While I see where you are coming from I would have to disagree with it going down Sarah. 152 already gets way backed up at the Sarah and Morgan intersections on a daily basis. Eventually I would like them to have it split at Council and one route is the one proposed and the other route ties into Sarah/SH-4

To be fair, I can understand people in Brighton Pointe being dismayed (although if she bought her home two weeks ago she's a classic example of someone who didn't do one second of research into the home she was buying), as that's an insanely stupid path for the turnpike to take. Everyone I know agrees it should have gone down Sara, had we not spent the last 15 years doing everything to make that impossible.

However, residents in the neighborhood directly south of where the current turnpike deadends shouldn't act dismayed at all. As much as I hate conspiracy theories, I'm personally convinced everyone there deliberately bought that house hoping for an eminent domain fight some day.

I personally know someone that bought a house and closed a couple weeks ago in this area. Her house is directly in the path, and yes she is someone that just saw new house, glazed over, and said I'll take it. Hadn't even heard about extending the turnpike. She is most definitely one of those people in her own little world.