I think eventually it will join up with highway 9 and create an OKC bypass (probably wrong, can't remember)

I think eventually it will join up with highway 9 and create an OKC bypass (probably wrong, can't remember)

I think that’s the eventual plan but I don’t believe they have started any kind of planning for the section south of I-40. I imagine it would roughly follow Luther Rd and connect to Hwy 9, which would also be upgraded. This is probably at least 5 years out though.

I know a few years back there was talk ( rumors so take it with a grain of salt ) about widening hwy 9 in norman all the way to thunderbird casino and have it set up to easily change to a turnpike and have a turnpike from hwy 9 and peebly road area build up to connect to the interstate 40.

I think eventually it will join up with highway 9 and create an OKC bypass (probably wrong, can't remember)

this is correct if you look at the kickapoo I40 interchange they built the full bridge over I-40 for the future extension to highway 9


I think that’s the eventual plan but I don’t believe they have started any kind of planning for the section south of I-40. I imagine it would roughly follow Luther Rd and connect to Hwy 9, which would also be upgraded. This is probably at least 5 years out though.

internal planning with the turnpike authority has mapped out a good chunk of the next bond issue construction

2 of those thing are the extension of the kickapoo to highway 9 (phase 3 will be from highway 9 to I35 )

and the next phase of the Turner expansion


I know a few years back there was talk ( rumors so take it with a grain of salt ) about widening hwy 9 in norman all the way to thunderbird casino and have it set up to easily change to a turnpike and have a turnpike from hwy 9 and peebly road area build up to connect to the interstate 40.

expansion of highway 9 to the cleavand county line and into Pottawatomie is on the current ODOT 8 year plan

Good to hear they are starting to plan for the connection to Norman. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense without that link to Hwy 9/I-35.

I do wonder which current grade intersections will remain in Norman and be rebuilt into interchanges,

Per OkDOT part of the new Kickapoo turnpike will open soon. I think more will be revealed during their October commission meeting which they usually release the updated 8 year plan in as well.

Per OkDOT part of the new Kickapoo turnpike will open soon. I think more will be revealed during their October commission meeting which they usually release the updated 8 year plan in as well.

Noticed that Google Maps just recently added the Kickapoo Turnpike route, which is sort of weird considering it's not open yet, and they still haven't changed the SW Kilpatrick extension (which is open) to limited access shading, it has the same shading as any regular surface street.

Event posted on facebook for Kickapoo Turnpike opening ceremony October 13 2020. So im guessing it will be open to travel on next week? It says only northern section will be open to travel on the 13th from I-44 to N.E 23rd

Event posted on facebook for Kickapoo Turnpike opening ceremony October 13 2020. So im guessing it will be open to travel on next week? It says only northern section will be open to travel on the 13th from I-44 to N.E 23rd

That's correct. Tomorrow, north half will be open.

Got a question about the Kickapoo Turnpike, I know there is plans to expand it south of I 40 to highway 9 and eventually to I 35, are there plans to expand it north of I 44 to I 35 north of Edmond, I know if they do, it had to go around Luther.

Got a question about the Kickapoo Turnpike, I know there is plans to expand it south of I 40 to highway 9 and eventually to I 35, are there plans to expand it north of I 44 to I 35 north of Edmond, I know if they do, it had to go around Luther.I hope so.

Got a question about the Kickapoo Turnpike, I know there is plans to expand it south of I 40 to highway 9 and eventually to I 35, are there plans to expand it north of I 44 to I 35 north of Edmond, I know if they do, it had to go around Luther.

if you look at how they built the bridge across I44 (compared to how they built it across I40 in the south) it doesn't look like they have any future plan to expand north

if you look at how they built the bridge across I44 (compared to how they built it across I40 in the south) it doesn't look like they have any future plan to expand north
At the very least they should work with cities and counties to preserve ROW for a future northward expansion.

Does anyone have any updates on when the whole kickapoo turnpike will open?

Does anyone have any updates on when the whole kickapoo turnpike will open?

from what i understand, it opened on tuesday.

from what i understand, it opened on tuesday.

yep tuesday at 11am

I think I might go drive the new turnpike on Saturday just to see what it's like.

I drove the northern half after it opened. It was pretty nice. I might do the same thing.

from what i understand, it opened on tuesday.
oh wow thank you for letting me know.

I drove it and it narrows to one lane for several miles but it is open. Still looks like 2-3 more months of construction until they finish up.

As an aside, I know the overall plan is to widen the entire Turner Turnpike to six lanes but they really need to expedite widening it from Broadway Extension to the Kickapoo Turnpike. I was pretty surprised how much traffic there was on that section.

As an aside, I know the overall plan is to widen the entire Turner Turnpike to six lanes but they really need to expedite widening it from Broadway Extension to the Kickapoo Turnpike. I was pretty surprised how much traffic there was on that section.

i think the plan for the next turner expansion is from I35 to around Wellston

i think the plan for the next turner expansion is from I35 to around Wellston
That will be extremely welcome! Any word about I-35 to Broadway extension? I’m surprised they left that area at four lanes. Could also use some new interchanges while they’re at it which I’m wondering if that was one of the reasons they left it alone.

Anyone know how many toll booths there are? I see it's exact change only, which always infuriates me since half the time on those they dont have working coin machines or a coin machine at all. Then what are you supposed to do?

And seriously, after all this time you could only open a single lane from 23rd to I40? I mean the hard part with the junction at I40 has been done for like 6 months+.

I can't stand that the brand new portions aren't plate pay only.

It is pretty annoying. They should be AET. Seems that would be a no brainer.

I can't stand that the brand new portions aren't plate pay only.

the entire system will be plate pay in a few years

the entire system will be plate pay in a few years

Thank goodness! I have been advocating for almost a decade. When the technology came out it should have been a no-brainer. The state finally had to update/upgrade license plate technology with the new Real ID act. No more Dos System for us!

the entire system will be plate pay in a few years
If it’s the plan moving forward, why didn’t they implement it on the brand new turnpikes?

If it’s the plan moving forward, why didn’t they implement it on the brand new turnpikes?

that is a great question ...

i posted this on the turnpike thread https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=37226&page=5&p=1149865#post1149865

AET/ETC project on the 5 year capital plan (AET = All Electric tolling ETC = Electronic toll collection)
2021
Chickasaw AET Conversion Chickasaw Tpk 2021 $40,000 $10,000 $50,000
H. E. Bailey AET Conversion H. E. Bailey Tpk 2021 $5,400,000 $240,000 $240,000 $5,880,000
Kickapoo AET Conversion Kickapoo Tpk 2021 $200,000 $0 $40,000 $240,000
Toll Toll equipment upgrade to prepare for AET Various Locations 2021 $6,716,773 $0 $0 $6,716,773
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC Various Locations 2021 $2,049,923 $0 $0 $2,049,923
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC & Cash Various Locations 2021 $1,932,946 $0 $0 $1,932,946
2022
Cimarron AET Conversion (C-MC-29) SH-99 / US-177 / Spur 2022 $9,500,000 $340,000 $300,000 $10,140,000
Creek AET Conversion Creek Tpk 2022 $900,000 $0 $240,000 $1,140,000
Indian Nation AET Conversion North SH-9 2022 $800,000 $0 $30,000 $830,000
Muskogee AET Conversion Muskogee Tpk 2022 $4,700,000 $288,000 $160,000 $5,148,000
Toll Toll equipment upgrade to prepare for AET Various Locations 2022 $10,691,097 $0 $0 $10,691,097
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC Various Locations 2022 $962,210 $0 $0 $962,210
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC & Cash Various Locations 2022 $1,441,181 $0 $0 $1,441,181
Marketing Marketing AET/Driving Forward Various Locations 2022 $500,000 $0 $0 $500,000
2023
Cherokee AET Conversion Cherokee Tpk 2023 $160,000 $3,000 $163,000
Indian Nation AET Conversion South McAlester, Antlers 2023 $7,000,000 $288,000 $300,000 $7,588,000
Toll Toll equipment upgrade to prepare for AET Various Locations 2023 $10,338,583 $0 $0 $10,338,583
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC Various Locations 2023 $11,074,035 $0 $0 $11,074,035
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC & Cash Various Locations 2023 $1,392,865 $0 $0 $1,392,865
Marketing Marketing AET/Driving Forward Various Locations 2023 $500,000 $0 $0 $500,000
2024
Turner AET Conversion Turner Tpk 2024 $1,300,000 $0 $50,000 $1,350,000
Will Rogers AET Conversion Will Rogers Tpk 2024 $1,300,000 $0 $50,000 $1,350,000
Toll Toll equipment upgrade to prepare for AET Various Locations 2024 $4,367,039 $0 $0 $4,367,039
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC Various Locations 2024 $500,000 $0 $0 $500,000
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC & Cash Various Locations 2024 $1,415,633 $0 $0 $1,415,633
Marketing Marketing AET/Driving Forward Various Locations 2024 $500,000 $0 $0 $500,000
2025
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC Various Locations 2025 $1,250,000 $0 $0 $1,250,000
Toll Upgrades and eqjuipment related to ETC & Cash Various Locations 2025 $502,040 $0 $0 $502,040
Marketing Marketing AET/Driving Forward Various Locations 2025 $500,000 $0 $0 $500,000

Anyone know how many toll booths there are? I see it's exact change only, which always infuriates me since half the time on those they dont have working coin machines or a coin machine at all. Then what are you supposed to do?

There is one mainline toll plaza, just south of I-44 (between I-44 and the Britton Road exit):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Kickapoo_Turnpike_toll_plaza.jpg/800px-Kickapoo_Turnpike_toll_plaza.jpg

I was going through on the Pikepass lanes, but it appears there are two cash lanes that have both a change basket and a manual collection booth. There are LED signs that can change between "exact change only" and "pay attendant". It appeared one northbound lane was staffed when I went through Friday afternoon.

Each exit ramp also has a toll-collection point. Don't know whether those are staffed or not since I just stayed on the mainline straight through, but I wouldn't bet on there being a human toll collector at the exits.

I can't wait to see if they built some more of those bouncy-bridges like on the west segment.

I can't wait to see if they built some more of those bouncy-bridges like on the west segment.

I wonder if that was the same engineering firm that did NB I-225 over Illiff and I-225 over 2nd in Aurora.

:) Definitely the worst part of that widening project.

I didn't notice the bridges being particularly bad, but I was completely fixated on the absolutely godawful signage job they did, so I may have just not noticed.

I can't wait to see if they built some more of those bouncy-bridges like on the west segment.

I believe those have been fixed.

I believe those have been fixed.

Yes they have, plus it was built along with the North Canadian river bridge to expand to 3 lanes each direction.

There still is a slight bounce Unfortunately.

Surplus land from these projects being auctioned off:


A 21st-century version of the Oklahoma Land Run will take place next month in Oklahoma City.

In what could be one of the largest public land auctions in modern state history, close to 800 acres of surplus land owned by the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority will become available for sale.

A total of 68 parcels will be up for grabs across 11 counties: Tulsa, Creek, Rogers, Craig, Oklahoma, Wagoner, Murray, Canadian, McClain, Grady and Lincoln, said Jessica Brown, director of strategic communications for the Oklahoma Transportation Cabinet.

Dakil Auctioneers Inc., will conduct auctions beginning at 10 a.m. June 9-10 (registration is at 9 a.m. both days) at its facility at 200 NW 114th St. in Oklahoma City. Available land totals more than 790 acres, with the largest tract being roughly 71.2 acres on the west side of the Creek Turnpike near 22500 E. Omaha St. in Broken Arrow.

https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/surplus-land-to-be-auctioned-next-month-from-oklahoma-turnpike-authority-a-grand-opportunity/article_02f88a60-dabf-11ec-a4de-4be088b903e1.html

And of course selling land back now is a sign of corruption to some people: https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/05/31/oklahoma-city-kilpatrick-turnpike-expansions-yukon-mustang-housing-market-boom/9850231002/

If anybody wants me to send them that article let me know and I can do it

Surplus land from these projects being auctioned off:



https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/surplus-land-to-be-auctioned-next-month-from-oklahoma-turnpike-authority-a-grand-opportunity/article_02f88a60-dabf-11ec-a4de-4be088b903e1.html

And of course selling land back now is a sign of corruption to some people: https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/05/31/oklahoma-city-kilpatrick-turnpike-expansions-yukon-mustang-housing-market-boom/9850231002/

If anybody wants me to send them that article let me know and I can do it

Buy more land than needed with the threat of eminent domain then auction off at a much higher price.

Buy more land than needed with the threat of eminent domain then auction off at a much higher price.
Sometimes it’s worth it to buy more land in acquiring the entire property instead of just part of it. Easier for the land owner. Land almost always goes up in price. If the issue is a conspiracy where people believe the OTA does this to make money in the real estate business then that kinda throws the whole “but this new tollway will decrease our land value” argument many love to make.

Extra space is sometimes needed for the staging of construction equipment while the highway is under construction that is no longer needed once the highway is completed. Also, sometimes more land will be bought than is needed so that if something unexpected is found during construction, there is a little bit of "let" that they can use to adjust the exact routing of the road. There is no benefit to OTA holding this land once the project is complete.

Take a look at the I-35/Main Street interchange in Norman. There used to be a cloverleaf here, but about ten years ago, it got replaced by a SPUI, which takes up much less land. ODOT has not sold off the extra land, so there's a bunch of land on all sides of the interchange that is not being used for anything. That's not really an optimal solution.

As far as I know, land sales like this regularly take place in every state, other than maybe densely-packed Northeastern states that rarely take land to build new projects to begin with.

^^^ be careful Scott, you’re using logic to fight fear mongering bullsh!t. That’s dangerous

if you own property and will lose direct access to a road because of odot or OTA projects they have to buy your land .... (you don't have to sell it)

if they need a piece of your land for a project ... they have to buy all of your land (you don't have to sell all of your land) ...


this is how they get excess land ..

Imagine what people would say, if they bought out the usable pieces of someone's land and said "oh its ok, we don't need that other piece". Investors with deeper pockets have to make leftover land useful again.

Imagine what people would say, if they bought out the usable pieces of someone's land and said "oh its ok, we don't need that other piece". Investors with deeper pockets have to make leftover land useful again.

lol yep .... like we only need the land in the middle of your property that takes out your house ... but we don't need the front of back part of the land ... that would go over well ..

Interesting thought that I haven't considered all the ramifications. Should the original landowner who lost it through eminent domain be allowed first right to buy back at the same price?