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There are people who are hateful / jealous fans of other teams and others who disagree with the decision to keep Mixon on the team and it seems to me they are trying to use this piece to to grind their ax, even though there is absolutely nothing new here other than hearing her voice, which is expectedly negative in some respects.

That is my issue.

Fair enough, however it sounded like you were just heading right down the blame the victim avenue. And this from someone like myself who doesn't here dog whistles anywhere, let alone much of anything else. :D Espcially since the victim has to live with this her whole life, whereas it seems Mixon can move on. I doubt in the victim's mind there is a statute of limitations on how many times she can bring it up. Should we hold slave decedents to the same standards. Just tell them, that ship has sailed, move on?

In all fairness to the victims, there has been proven in several big time universities to be a look the other way culture. It is pretty disconcerting in my opinion.

Fair enough, however it sounded like you were just heading right down the blame the victim avenue. And this from someone like myself who doesn't here dog whistles anywhere, let alone much of anything else. :D Espcially since the victim has to live with this her whole life, whereas it seems Mixon can move on. I doubt in the victim's mind there is a statute of limitations on how many times she can bring it up. Should we hold slave decedents to the same standards. Just tell them, that ship has sailed, move on?

In all fairness to the victims, there has been proven in several big time universities to be a look the other way culture. It is pretty disconcerting in my opinion.

I will start with the following IT is not ok for a man to hit a woman. Mixon should have acted differently.

That being said can we stop with the "victim".

Person A is said to have uttered a homophobic slur.

Person B is said to have uttered a racist slur.

Person a doesn't like that. Person b pushes person A. Person A then steps toward person b. Person B then slaps person A and person A returns the second assult with a punch.


Under Oklahoma law (and the man and women legislators that wrote the law have confirmed this). Sex of the parties is not relevant They both could have been charged with assult.

Mixon was charged for public relations and he was charged with close to nothing. He was given the lowest charge possible. (The same charge Blake griffin got for urinating in an alley).

She also could have been arrested for probation violation.


Should he have struck her. 100% no. But let's at least put the facts out there

Molitor was the victim. There was a simple altercation - the type that probably happens all the time. Should she have pushed him - no. But the response was so incredibly out of proportion that she became the victim of a brutal and violent engagement.

However, my point all along has not been to re-hash the Mixon case and his punishment. That's been done over and over again. My point is that institutions and communities need to do a better job of supporting victims of any physical or emotional violence. Mixon has received incredible resources and support from the university. US universities have a long and continuing history of failing to support victims and this has resulted in new legal requirements. Yet, it still happens. What happened at Baylor happens in different degrees at a lot of places. Their case was just so severe, systematic, and intentional that it's getting attention. I do not know what OU has done for Molitor, but it is still important to raise that issue, particularly in light of the consistent attacks on her within the OU community and the long history of universities failing to support victims.

why did he get charged with a 3rd degree misdemeanor. The lowest possible charge that could have been levied

And as for university's. That has 0 do do with this case. This wasn't domestic or relationship related. Had/has nothing to do with title 9.

This. was a mutual assult situation. Where one party pushed then slapped the other. Followed by a punch response.

To see the common outcome. Texas tech football player Nigel Bethal was hit at a basketball game (on campus Rec center) by a women's bball player. He then (after a delay). Walked over and punched the women.

At first it he was kicked out of school and felony charges were threatened.

But after the video and facts came out the da said he could let charge bethel with out charging the women for the same thing. He was back in school within the week and missed 3 games. The woman was also suspended from the tech women's basketball team for a month also.

This happened in July 2014 a month before the mixon incident and there was video as well.

Dan, actually your main point has been the failings to support *female* victims and I don't think this situation remotely resembles the other incidents that you are attempting to make analogous.

If Molitor had been a male, this would be nothing more than an alcohol-fueled late night fight which both parties escalated.

If words were exchanged between two likely drunks at 2AM and one of them shoved the other, you'd almost expect punches to be thrown. Which is exactly why I've never shoved someone in that situation, let alone some huge, strong dude.


Having said all that, when I heard that it was conclusive that Mixon punched Molitor, I thought he should be immediately dismissed from the team and school, regardless of circumstances.

However, that is merely my long-held belief that no man should *ever* hit a woman, no matter what.

I only later realized that most people don't necessarily agree and that I wasn't necessarily right, no matter my personal conviction.

After being so involved with the SAE incident, my main problem with the whole Mixon situation (other than the obvious) was the double standard David Boren showed in dealing with athletes vs. regular students. He basically told the world that freshmen football players are allowed to make major mistakes and receive a shot at redemption (at OU within their organization and the university), but regular students don't deserve that same opportunity. He also made unspoken suggestions that ugly and/or hate speech (neither of which is actually a crime) are a more severe offense and deserve more severe punishment than battery/violence against women as well as that if a video of your incident goes public, that makes it a greater offense than if the video is kept private. I thought Mixon should've been kicked off the team in the first place, but if they chose to keep him on campus and give him a second chance after the severity of the crime he committed, that right shouldn't be reserved only for star athletes.

At any rate, what's done is done though I do think it is crap on many levels that the Mixon video hasn't been released to the media...again, I think he received special treatment from Cleveland County on that one.

Quotes from Boren on Joe Mixon:


“The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life's experiences"

There’s a lot of young guys that can make young, horrible mistakes in a lot of different ways. Unfortunately, around the country, a lot of young people do that. But then they learn from them, grow from them, and there is other character there that people eventually see. We believe in two things,” Boren said.
“We believe in punishment but we believe in redemption. We believe in people accepting responsibility but when they do, we also hope that we have hearts that will forgive. Many people make mistakes when they’re younger. I think that I would just say to them that I hope that since the bad behavior was punished, you can join me in hoping for their redemption.”

Quotes from David Boren six months later on SAE:


"These people don't deserve to be called Sooners; they're misusing our name," Boren said. "Sooners are not racists and bigots. Sooners are people who believe in respecting each other and helping each other and caring for each other. We're a real community

"These values are not our values. We're different kinds of people. It's very hurtful to think that our community, which is so strong and so positive in so many ways, is being held up by a few people."

"Those students will be out of that house by midnight tomorrow night; that house will be closed, and as far as I'm concerned they won't be back -- at least not while I'm president of this university," Boren said.

"Would I be happy if they left the university as students and were no longer students? You betchya," Boren said. "We have no room for racists and bigots at this university. I'd be glad if they left."

As far as those students' living situations now that the fraternity members have been told to vacate the house, Boren said he does not plan to help them.
"They're going to have to find a way," he said. "That's not our responsibility. We don't provide student services for bigots."

"We will look at all possible punishments and what is available to us under the law," he said. "We don't know yet, but I would say even up through (and) including expulsion. So it would be possible that some of those who are most responsible for this activity -- once we establish a chain of evidence once we get legal precedent -- might be held fully accountable."

After being so involved with the SAE incident, my main problem with the whole Mixon situation (other than the obvious) was the double standard David Boren showed in dealing with athletes vs. regular students. He basically told the world that freshmen football players are allowed to make major mistakes and receive a shot at redemption (at OU within their organization and the university), but regular students don't deserve that same opportunity. He also made unspoken suggestions were that ugly and/or hate speech (neither of which is actually a crime) are a more severe offense and deserve more severe punishment than battery/violence against women as well as that if a video of your incident goes public, that makes it a greater offense than if the video is kept private. I thought Mixon should've been kicked off the team in the first place, but if they chose to keep him on campus and give him a second chance after the severity of the crime he committed, that right shouldn't be reserved only for star athletes.

At any rate, what's done is done though I do think it is crap on many levels that the Mixon video hasn't been released to the media...again, I think he received special treatment from Cleveland County on that one.

Quotes from Boren on Joe Mixon:


Quotes on SAE:

The most ridiculous part of the quote is the part about being an educational institution (in relation to athletes). If so, suspend him from sports and allow him to finish his degree.

The problem some are having is disconnecting personal thought of what mixon did (i.e. Hitting a woman is wrong period). With what legally he did and was charged with.

He was only charged with any thing because he was a guy and she was a girl.

The problem. With that the man and woman (ok legislators) that wrote this part of the law. Both said the law does. Not include gender. I.e. He likey didn't break the law response to an assult with physical defense.

2. People keep using "serious" nature of his crime. But that doesn't mesh with what he was charged with. Literally the exact same charge Blake griffin got for urininating in the bushes The lowest thing he could be charged with.

The problem some are having is disconnecting personal thought of what mixon did (i.e. Hitting a woman is wrong period). With what legally he did and was charged with.

That's fine for you and I, but the University as pointed out above doesn't go by that standard when it comes to punishments.

That's fine for you and I, but the University as pointed out above doesn't go by that standard when it comes to punishments.

The difference being frats are under university rules and so are all of their activities

Mixon was off campus and not university involved in any way

The difference being frats are under university rules and so are all of their activities

Mixon was off campus and not university involved in any way

So were the SAE students, and no more acting in a capacity representing the university than Mixon.

So were the SAE students, and no more acting in a capacity representing the university than Mixon.

They were on the party bus for a date party. Absolutely a Greek event

So not remotely the same

They were on the party bus for a date party. Absolutely a Greek event

So not remotely the same

So being a non-Greek, maybe I misunderstood at what times the university is responsible for the actions of fraternal organization. I will defer to you on that one.

However, I believe several students were expelled from campus all together (in addition to the closing of the fraternity which may or may not have effected kids who had nothing to do with this). It's hard to claim there isn't a double standard. Anyone that has attended OU or OSU has probably seen first hand examples of this type of thing, in the classroom. Most just laugh it off. But all you have to do to understand any of this is follow the money. OU had a financial interest to quash the fraternity. It also has a financial interest in winning football games.

A non athlete in the mixon situation would have had no university punishment and likely no charges at all.

A non athlete in the mixon situation would have had no university punishment and likely no charges at all.Probably true. The punishment Mixon got was because of the situation being so publicized. I would bet that if any run of the mill student had the same run in practically no one would even know. In my younger and much wilder days I saw more than my share of bar altercations, sometimes involving both sexes, with people injured, and no one knew but the people in the bar.

Not hard to imagine the unrepentant punk being on the team would dampen her love of Sooner football. Lots of diehard Sooners feel the same way. Heard of plenty that didn't renew. Hope the video comes out so Stoops, Joe C and Boren suffer the shame they deserve.

The difference being frats are under university rules and so are all of their activities

Mixon was off campus and not university involved in any way

What Boren did with those SAE students was very likely a violation of their constitutional rights. There's plenty of time yet for that to play out.

A public university, through a Code of Conduct does not have the power to suspend students' constitutional rights--though they may sometimes try. Boren exposed both himself and the school to legal consequences through his actions.

What Boren did with those SAE students was very likely a violation of their constitutional rights. There's plenty of time yet for that to play out.

A public university, through a Code of Conduct does not have the power to suspend students' constitutional rights--though they may sometimes try. Boren exposed both himself and the school to legal consequences through his actions.

100% correct, I'm shocked that none of the affected students and parents haven't discussed pursing this in court.

100% correct, I'm shocked that none of the affected students and parents haven't discussed pursing this in court.

How do you know that they haven't....

What Boren did with those SAE students was very likely a violation of their constitutional rights. There's plenty of time yet for that to play out.

A public university, through a Code of Conduct does not have the power to suspend students' constitutional rights--though they may sometimes try. Boren exposed both himself and the school to legal consequences through his actions.

I may be wrong on this, but I thought I had read something that OU insists they were following protocol with the closing of the frat, however I never really read or heard anything about the expulsions. I have certainly heard the 1 A violations mentioned. Has OU really given reasoning behind the dismissals or just that it didn't jive with the Universities morals, which apparently don't have any problems with face punching women.

First off, I don't really give a sweet **** about Mixon. If Boren/Stoops/Castiglione had booted him from team completely I would have been fine with it. It certainly would not have been the first time that they have unceremoniously expelled a star athlete for bad behavior, including a starting quarterback. The same time they were dealing with the Mixon thing they were trying like hell to freeze out arguably their best linebacker for an alleged (though not prosecuted) sexual assault. They were obviously unhappy that legalities kept them from doing so. OU's record in not putting up with nonsense during the Stoops tenure has been pretty difficult to argue.

I also get the upset over "victim blaming," because it is VERY prevalent in cases where men hit women or even worse.

That said - according to every account I've heard from persons who have seen the video, including the report above - it is pretty inarguable that in this case SHE escalated this to a physical confrontation. Not mentioned in that article, but from other reports I've heard, she also SPAT on him, in which case there would have been TWO forms of physical assault on him before he responded. Not to mention the apparently confirmed use of the N word, which many of us - myself included - cannot fully appreciate the emotion this brings on. For those who are equating this with the SAE incident, where are the calls to expel her for using hate speech? Was it not for use of the same word that the SAEs were dumped?

All of that said, he obviously responded completely immaturely and inappropriately, and deserves to be criticized. But the things listed above are all MITIGATING FACTORS. Another mitigating factor is that her injuries while severe were apparently mostly caused not by his fist by by her falling and hitting a table. While he was ultimately responsible, I'm sure prosecutors considered this, while the public rarely seems to.

Either way, it was - as has been pointed out - an off-campus altercation in which both parties acted pretty terribly. And the type of altercation that few would know about and probably would have drawn no charges - ESPECIALLY if she were male - contrary to the prevailing opinion that he somehow received special treatment. I think the only reason he drew charges at all was BECAUSE of his notoriety.

I think the best hope for everyone is that they both find healthy ways to deal with the fallout and learn from their respective mistakes.

IIRC correctly, the two men who got into a bar fight, where one of the men (the Texas fan) was nearly castrated, the OU fan had charges against him dropped when it came out the Texas fan actually initiated the confrontation. So precedence would show that the severity of the injury on one of the parties is less of a factor in charges than who initiated the conflict.

IIRC correctly, the two men who got into a bar fight, where one of the men (the Texas fan) was nearly castrated, the OU fan had charges against him dropped when it came out the Texas fan actually initiated the confrontation. So precedence would show that the severity of the injury on one of the parties is less of a factor in charges than who initiated the conflict.

Does the same benefit of the doubt not get afforded to police officers? I know that's a topic merge, but seriously.

I believe the saying in our house to my kids goes something along the lines of "just because your brother did x doesn't mean you get to do y to him. You have to be the big brother/sister." I'm thinking the support for Mixon maybe explains a lot about a lot.

I had not seen anywhere the confirmed use of either the gay slur or the n-word, Urbanized. From what I've heard that's been disputed by each side, but maybe I missed it. Where were either of these confirmed?

I know the emotions of being a fan of a team or school can run high but I cant believe Im seeing so many things like "but she" or "while what he did was wrong, she shouldnt have..." or my favorite "her injuries while severe were apparently mostly caused not by his fist but by her falling and hitting a table." To see this many ridiculous excuses to justify Mixon's actions is nuts to me. Plain and simple, why would you want someone who knocks out a woman be a part of something you love and support? Cant imagine another scenario where people excuse or justify a man punching a woman in the face than when it comes to your favorite sports team.

Again, my point in starting this thread again was not re-hash the Mixon punishment debate or legal liability, but to point out -- regardless of any mistakes, Mixon received tremendous support from the university. I hope Molitor received the same support. I also wish alum and fans would care about all OU students and generally refrain from the type of consistent abuse she's taken online. And I wouldn't even comment on the latter (there's idiots in any group) if it wasn't so widespread.

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I agree with all of that.

It was absurd the abuse she received from the on-line community.

I had not seen anywhere the confirmed use of either the gay slur or the n-word, Urbanized. From what I've heard that's been disputed by each side, but maybe I missed it. Where were either of these confirmed?

Disputed by each side and yet Trammel's article repeats the "homosexual slur" allegation as if it is gospel. This again goes to Pete's point that Berry's article was only one side of the story, and we are prevented from hearing the other for a variety of reasons. I certainly wish her well, and admire the strength it surely took to stick it out at OU considering the circumstances. But - as is my custom on other topics here - I recognize that there are two (or more) or more sides to almost every story, and if we are only hearing one we must admit that it could be unreliable for a number of reasons or we are being intellectually dishonest.

I also agree that the online abusers are an embarrassment to all OU fans. Completely uncalled for and disgusting.

I know the emotions of being a fan of a team or school can run high but I cant believe Im seeing so many things like "but she" or "while what he did was wrong, she shouldnt have..." or my favorite "her injuries while severe were apparently mostly caused not by his fist but by her falling and hitting a table." To see this many ridiculous excuses to justify Mixon's actions is nuts to me. Plain and simple, why would you want someone who knocks out a woman be a part of something you love and support? Cant imagine another scenario where people excuse or justify a man punching a woman in the face than when it comes to your favorite sports team.

I am on the record in this thread that mixon should not have hit her and should have walked away.

But my question to you is when would it be ok to hit a stranger that happens to be female.

Ronda rousey type beating up a guy?

What is she pulls a knife?

What about a gun?

Or never under any circumstances?

I would say pretty much only when your actual safety is seriously threatened, which was obviously not the case for Mixon. So, probably if it's Rousey or someone with a weapon.

I am on the record in this thread that mixon should not have hit her and should have walked away.

But my question to you is when would it be ok to hit a stranger that happens to be female.

Ronda rousey type beating up a guy?

What is she pulls a knife?

What about a gun?

Or never under any circumstances?

DId you just equate being confronted by an attacker with a knife to a brief exchange with a drunk college girl at a late night pizzeria? Ha!

Like I said, its clearly hard for some people to rationalize things when their sports team is involved.

DId you just equate being confronted by an attacker with a knife to a brief exchange with a drunk college girl at a late night pizzeria? Ha!

Like I said, its clearly hard for some people to rationalize things when their sports team is involved.

No... They posed a question to the people that have said it is never ok to hit a woman. Which isn't an equation. it's a question based on the generalization made that it is "never" ok to hit a woman...... it's a question of semantics but a question none the less.

But like you said... It's hard to rationalize when your sports team is involved... I'm a Jayhawk fan... Which team do you happen to be a fan of?

Ok, it doesn't matter what side you're on in this incident. This girl is now filing a lawsuit against Picklemans?! GTFOH! I saw the lawsuit against Mixon coming from a mile away; that's easy money for her. But now suing the restaurant because they "didn't provide security?" This b%tch makes me sick. Pathetic sob story on the Oklahoman was all about money the whole time.

I am not surprised at all, I wouldn't be surprised if she filed a suit against the table manufacturer as well or the tile company at pickleman's. When you feel you have been wronged and are the victim you find a lawyer that will work on a contingency basis and file as many suits as possible naming as many defendants as possible.

Sad part is, if she wins 75,000.01 she will probably not see any of it in her actual pocket, she will pay for her medical bills and the attorney will probably get the rest.

This b%tch makes me sick. Pathetic sob story on the Oklahoman was all about money the whole time.

This is what I'm talking about. You can disagree with whatever decisions you want while working from a huge information deficit, but the sexist rants are pretty rampant online. It's embarrassing.

We live in a different day and age with upcoming individuals. Their 'structured value system' are not the same as it was when many of us grew up.

Taught my children to play it safe--'keep your hands off anyone' approach--male or female. Don't ever condone females striking males today; there are so many individuals (male/female) who have behaviorial concerns; there's no way you can predict how they will react.

Again, my point in starting this thread again was not re-hash the Mixon punishment debate or legal liability, but to point out -- regardless of any mistakes, Mixon received tremendous support from the university. I hope Molitor received the same support. I also wish alum and fans would care about all OU students and generally refrain from the type of consistent abuse she's taken online. And I wouldn't even comment on the latter (there's idiots in any group) if it wasn't so widespread.
Dan, I'm not trying to be argumentative with this question, but, other than what might have been seen here on OKCTalk, what proof is there that she received a considerable amount of abuse online? Her word? Has this been proven fact that it actually happened?

I've viewed it myself. Just go to any OU message board. After the incident I saw a majority of posts that blasted her (often with sexist, violent language), argued that Mixon should receive no/minimal punishment, and that she deserved it. The sentiment was pretty overwhelming.

I've viewed it myself. Just go to any OU message board. After the incident I saw a majority of posts that blasted her (often with sexist, violent language), argued that Mixon should receive no/minimal punishment, and that she deserved it. The sentiment was pretty overwhelming.

I'm with Dan on this one. Those message boards were very much out of control.

I'm with Dan on this one. Those message boards were very much out of control.Me too. I follow a couple of OU boards and I'm ashamed of my fellow fans, alums, etc. I'm on the side that this was just a typical bar confrontation and if it had been two guys or two girls we'd have never known it happened. The only thing in my view that makes Mixon more responsible is being a big guy hitting a girl. But I'm still disgusted by the comments on OU boards.

I realize you guys did, but did she go onto OU message boards? what did she expect to find?

Before she called the DOK for her interview and gave the DOK her picture, I seriously doubt more than 100 people (mostly students/classmates) could have picked her out of a line up at a football game. Had she bought a ticket on the west side, I doubt more than 5 people would have been able to pick her out of a line up.

And you don't push some away to try and defuse the situation.....

I've viewed it myself. Just go to any OU message board. After the incident I saw a majority of posts that blasted her (often with sexist, violent language), argued that Mixon should receive no/minimal punishment, and that she deserved it. The sentiment was pretty overwhelming.

One thing I have always found interesting is this...
The whole Gundy " I am a man I am 40" tirade, the entire tirade was directed at Jenni Carlson. While I think she does a lousy job I find it interesting that Gundy went after a woman like that. She was probably the only woman in the room. He tried to humiliate and belittle her in front of her peers. And some of her peers and OSU staff people cheered him on after the tirade.
Many OSU fans say they love Gundy for the speech, but how can you applaud a man that speaks down to a woman like that? I would be embarrassed if I screamed and yelled at a woman like that in public.

. . . Sad part is, if she wins 75,000.01 she will probably not see any of it in her actual pocket, she will pay for her medical bills and the attorney will probably get the rest.

If Mixon is drafted by the NFL, she will have a very good chance of putting some of this money in her actual pocket.

This is what I'm talking about. You can disagree with whatever decisions you want while working from a huge information deficit, but the sexist rants are pretty rampant online. It's embarrassing.

Wasn't trying to be sexist at all. I just have major disdain for the litigious society we live in, and as a small business owner myself, this particular suit made me even more disgusted. As far as having a huge information deficit, I agree with you. That's why I have said absolutely nothing about the case. So I called her the b-word? Based on the most recent lawsuit, that's how I feel who she is..a b%tch.

One thing I have always found interesting is this...
The whole Gundy " I am a man I am 40" tirade, the entire tirade was directed at Jenni Carlson. While I think she does a lousy job I find it interesting that Gundy went after a woman like that. She was probably the only woman in the room. He tried to humiliate and belittle her in front of her peers. And some of her peers and OSU staff people cheered him on after the tirade.
Many OSU fans say they love Gundy for the speech, but how can you applaud a man that speaks down to a woman like that? I would be embarrassed if I screamed and yelled at a woman like that in public.

Really? You're stretching there.



“I’m not going to talk about football today. I’m not going to take a question on this game. I’m going to talk about this article right here. This was brought to me by a mother of children. I think this is worth reading. Let me tell you why I want to talk about this article. Three-fourths of this is inaccurate. Fiction. And this article embarrasses me to be involved with athletics.”

“Here’s all that (Reid) did -- he goes to class, he’s respectful to the media, he’s respectful to the public and he’s a good kid. He’s not a professional athlete and he doesn’t deserve to be kicked when he’s down.”

“If you want to go after an athlete -- one of my athletes -- you go after one that doesn’t do the right things! You don’t downgrade him because ... he may not play as well on Saturday! You let us make that decision! That’s why I don’t read the newspaper!”

“Attacking an amateur athlete for doing everything right? ... Are you kidding me? Where are we at in society today? Come after me! I’m a man! I’m 40! I’m not a kid! Write something about me or our coaches. Don’t write about a kid that does everything right, (whose) heart is broken! And then say that the coaches said he was scared! That ain’t true! ... That’s all I’ve got to say. It makes me want to puke.”

He defends a youth students, talks about an upset mother, and offers himself up as a target instead. All while never naming the joke of a "sports reporter".

You're right. What a jerk. Totally comparable with putting a woman in the hospital.

Really? You're stretching there.



He defends a youth students, talks about an upset mother, and offers himself up as a target instead. All while never naming the joke of a "sports reporter".

You're right. What a jerk. Totally comparable with putting a woman in the hospital.

Everyone in the room and most of the public knew who he was talking to in the tirade.
You think belittling and yelling at a women is ok I don't. Even in your reponse to me you are making a joke of the situation. You condone this type of behavior.
Mixon should have never hit the girl. The girl should have never pushed mixon. Both parties were in the wrong.

Now it is all starting to make sense...

Molitor sues because cafe had no doorman

By: Dale Denwalt The Journal Record July 27, 2016

OKLAHOMA CITY – The woman punched by a University of Oklahoma football player has sued the restaurant where the attack happened.

Amelia Molitor filed a civil lawsuit in federal court alleging that Pickleman’s restaurant and its ownership neglected to provide a safe and secure environment. In the lawsuit, Molitor says the altercation two years ago between her and OU football player Joe Mixon began outside.

“Had there been on the premises of Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe a security guard, doorman, or similar employee, Ms. Molitor would have informed such person or persons of the unwelcomed discussion that had just occurred outside, and would have requested assistance and eliminated the possibility of future similar encounters,” her attorneys wrote in the lawsuit. “Unfortunately, there was no such person or persons at Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe that night.”

When reached Wednesday, the restaurant chain’s director of operations, Brandon Sterr, said the company had not yet learned of the lawsuit, which was filed in Oklahoma City’s federal district court.

“Until we actually receive any sort of notification, we’re going to be unwilling to comment,” said Sterr, but he also said that the lawsuit is frivolous.

Business defense attorney Jon Starr said Molitor and her lawyers may have a hard time convincing a jury that the restaurant was negligent.

“It sounds to me that it’s a stretch,” Starr said. “I don’t know why anyone would expect a restaurant to have a doorman unless they were on notice of an ongoing problem.”

The plaintiffs would have to show that the business knew altercations regularly happen outside and spill into the restaurant, he said.

“They’re not really supposed to be a fortune-teller and predict what’s going to happen,” Starr said. “But if you can show there’s a history of this that’s gone on in the past, sometimes you can convince a jury that they should have done something more.”

Molitor’s attorney, Ben Baker, could not be reached for comment. Molitor has also sued Mixon in a California federal court. She is seeking tens of thousands of dollars in damages in both lawsuits.

Everyone in the room and most of the public knew who he was talking to in the tirade.
You think belittling and yelling at a women is ok I don't. Even in your reponse to me you are making a joke of the situation. You condone this type of behavior.
Mixon should have never hit the girl. The girl should have never pushed mixon. Both parties were in the wrong.

Ok, whatever. I should know better than to engage with you.

Hospitalizing a woman is OK because she pushed someone, but defending a student player from a reporter is somehow abusive. Right.

And I've got no problem calling Carlson the worst sports columnist in Oklahoma. And I'm not the only one with that opinion. But evidently I can't say that because she's a woman? SMH.

Ok, whatever. I should know better than to engage with you.

Hospitalizing a woman is OK because she pushed someone, but defending a student player from a reporter is somehow abusive. Right.

And I've got no problem calling Carlson the worst sports columnist in Oklahoma. And I'm not the only one with that opinion. But evidently I can't say that because she's a woman? SMH.

Never have I said what Mixon did was OK. I did say both parties were in the wrong. I guess you think her actions of pushing him and calling him the N word are ok? he was in the wrong for "using the slur", she was in the wrong for "using the N word", she was in the wrong for pushing him, he was in the wrong for using that much force after he had been pushed. I guess for you only his actions and words were in the wrong and she was a complete angel in the siutation...

there is a difference between calling someone the worst reporter and screaming and yelling at her for 5 minutes or how ever long the tirade was. One is done in a calm collective manner the other is in the Trump style of manners.....

If she is so weak and pathetic that she can't be talked about by a coach for 3 minutes after writing a column attacking a student, then she doesn't belong in the industry.

I love this part of the argument:

“Had there been on the premises of Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe a security guard, doorman, or similar employee, Ms. Molitor would have informed such person or persons of the unwelcomed discussion that had just occurred outside, and would have requested assistance and eliminated the possibility of future similar encounters,” her attorneys wrote in the lawsuit. “Unfortunately, there was no such person or persons at Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe that night.”

For those of you that don't know, Pickleman's is a lot like Schlotzsky's. I don't know about you all, but every Schlotzsky's I've ever been to has a doorman...

For those of you that don't know, Pickleman's is a lot like Schlotzsky's. I don't know about you all, but every Schlotzsky's I've ever been to has a doorman...

Yeah, this argument would only make sense if they were selling alcohol.