Played a round of golf the other day and the guy in the pro shop was saying that a Catholic Church just bought all the land that Brookside is on. He said it's guaranteed to stay a golf course until 2017. Would be very sad to see Brookside go away, it's small and dirty but I've always really enjoyed playing there. Anyone heard anything about the buy out or anything?

Yes, there are plans and more info about this on the site somewhere.

I'll hunt them down.

Yes, there are plans and more info about this on the site somewhere.

I'll hunt them down.

Ah, yeah, that would be great. I searched the site, but couldn't find anything on it. Sorry if it's posted somewhere else. Thank you!

Here you go:



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/brookside1.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/brookside2.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/brookside3.jpg

Hmmmm.... Last summer he said they only had the course leased until 2015 then it would be closing.... Perhaps the church has delayed their building plans.

Oh man, my mom used to take me out there when I was a little kid... I have fond (if vague, since I was so little) memories of going nuts on the practice green and at the driving range. Though it will be nice to see some new economic investment come to this area, I'll be sad to see the course go. Would much rather see Shields Plaza get a massive overhaul, or the NE corner of 240/Santa Fe get developed. The site plan does look pretty nice though, so if it does end up getting developed as planned, it should come out quite nice... I do like that they want to incorporate a bit of everything here. Retail, housing, light commercial, office space, and a hotel all in one package.

The only thing that's kind of a "Huh?" in my mind is, a church purchased the land but I don't see a church plotted out at all in the initial site plans above. But indeed, the listed owner according to the Cleveland County Assessor's Office is "ARCHDIOCESE OF OKLAHOMA CITY OF / THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH", so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Is there any firm timeframe for this project to get off the ground?

Dang. Makes the golfer in me just a little bit sad.

The only thing that's kind of a "Huh?" in my mind is, a church purchased the land but I don't see a church plotted out at all in the initial site plans above. But indeed, the listed owner according to the Cleveland County Assessor's Office is "ARCHDIOCESE OF OKLAHOMA CITY OF / THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH", so it will be interesting to see what happens.


That's exactly what I was thinking. Is the Catholic Church starting to get into retail and hotels for money or something? Doesn't make sense. Sure going to miss this course.

Perhaps this is part of the way they keep the staff on hand and the lights on in their schools and various parrishes. Do any of the organized religions survive via passing a plate sunday morning anymore?

Perhaps this is part of the way they keep the staff on hand and the lights on in their schools and various parrishes. Do any of the organized religions survive via passing a plate sunday morning anymore?

I know my Church doesn't have any retail businesses or anything, in fact, we give away nearly anything we can. We're a very large Church too. Sorry if I came across as negative in my last post about them trying to get more money, just really confused by the whole thing.

Sad to see. I grew up on the south side and have played many games of golf there with my brother and friends.

It's really a fun course to play, even if it is not the best maintained.

It's also one less course around OKC where lesser skilled players can go play and not feel pressured by the guys playing from the black tees.

I believe the plan is to build a new Catholic Church and possibly a school that would cater to the growing Hispanic population.

I believe the plan is to build a new Catholic Church and possibly a school that would cater to the growing Hispanic population.

According to the plans that Pete posted, that doesn't seem to be the case. It's all retail, hotel, and apartments. Unless I'm missing something.






http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/brookside3.jpg

According to the plans that Pete posted, that doesn't seem to be the case. It's all retail, hotel, and apartments. Unless I'm missing something.

You're missing the other alternative in the PUD application, page 18:

https://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/yjhzn2mwiunhjt3w5egl0anu/25309770728201506052969.PDF

This is weird. Not just because I used to go to Last Frontier Council golf outings here as a kid, but mainly because I can't fathom this site being desirable for... anything besides industry. And a cheap golf course.

It's amazing how many golf courses have been developed over in my recent memory. Golfing used to be a major underrated strength of OKC, but it seems like our ratio is going way down as we grow in population but lose golf courses.

You're missing the other alternative in the PUD application, page 18:

https://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/yjhzn2mwiunhjt3w5egl0anu/25309770728201506052969.PDF

Sorry, but that link appears to be dead. Have a screen shot or anything of the page?

Thank you!

Sorry, but that link appears to be dead. Have a screen shot or anything of the page?

Thank you!

https://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/5onkdc45qsldlhrb0oou0t55/23313340810201505320898.PDF

https://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/5onkdc45qsldlhrb0oou0t55/23313340810201505320898.PDF

Anyone know why or how to fix the okc.gov links that can't seem to be linked? I've had this frustration myself when trying to link a council agenda PDF.

Anyone know why or how to fix the okc.gov links that can't seem to be linked? I've had this frustration myself when trying to link a council agenda PDF.

I feel like I've explained this a million times.

Right click the link and select "Copy Link Address", instead of copying the address from the address bar.

When you click the link, the server creates a cached version of the file. The cached version gets cleared out after so many minutes. When you copy from
The address bar it links to the cached version which expires quickly.

When you copy the link address, it links directly to the script that creates the cached file, allowing everyone to see it.

Here's a post my identical twin of the past posted.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/24503-read-okc-gov-meeting-files-how-post.html

I feel like I've explained this a million times.

Right click the link and select "Copy Link Address", instead of copying the address from the address bar.



10-4. Thanks for the million and one. In the years of reading this forum I've seen plenty of dead links, made and posted screen shots of my own but never seen it posted what the issue was or how to solve it. Maybe I should take you off ignore. J/K!

I thought I tried that but maybe not. Almost always the link I would have found the document from would be the result of a google search so copying the link would be a really long string like this and I might be reluctant to post it: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFMQFjAHahUKEwiI5uKai6THAhVIRogKHWYRByI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okc.gov%2***endaPub%2Fview.as px%3Fcabinet%3Dpublished_meetings%26fileid%3D26634 07&ei=0ITLVYi-J8iMoQTmopyQAg&usg=AFQjCNFxM0-z0JyVuoSGxENV6C4tBEEE3Q&sig2=u0iUnK4O07eBCyji9AHCcw

Edit to add: Yep, I must have, and that doesn't work either. I suppose if I had the link from a menu page at the OKC.gov website and copied it there it might work. That's not usually how I find documents though. It would be a link from searching something like "boathouse district okc agenda" .

(I'm sticking with my theory it's our good city making things like getting access to documents that should be easy to access and share by anyone unnecessarily overly complicated to do so by the average citizen.)

You need to take the address directly from the meeting agenda website, and not from Google.

It's really a frustrating system. I do believe the city is replacing that system when they design their new website. So there is hope!

Glad to help.

Well, after a long time, it's started. The fence along 89th is gone and today I saw the clubhouse has been leveled. I went to school with Duffey Martin's kids, and played my first rounds of golf there.

Sad to see another Perry Maxwell course go away. It's like shredding French impressionist paintings so you can replace them with LED video boards. Although, Brookside was far from a great track, but still.... lol

Sad to see another Perry Maxwell course go away. It's like shredding French impressionist paintings so you can replace them with LED video boards. Although, Brookside was far from a great track, but still.... lol

Only Brookside was designed by Duffy Martin.

Only Brookside was designed by Duffy Martin.

I've seen both mentioned, but Perry Maxwell is most definitely credited with building Brookside in 1934.

https://newsok.com/article/3485526/public-and-private-golf-courses-in-oklahoma-city

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Maxwell

Makes me wonder if it closed and was redesigned at one point... Depending on which webpage you are looking at I've seen the course credited to two different architects in multiple years.... Martin is credited in 52 & 56.

I'll agree that some of the greens at Brookside were consistent with how Maxwell designed greens... Specifically the 5th and 8th holes.

At the same time the lack of sand traps and wide fairways lends more to Martin's style of keeping golf fun for the average player and spending less time hunting for balls out of play.

To be fair, most of Maxwell’s courses, as originally designed, were very wide open with minimal trees and OOB, although his bunkering style did vary widely over the course of his career (some of the original bunkers at Twin Hills were gnaaaaarrrly). Sadly, most Maxwell courses (as is the case for many of the great golden age architects) have been substantially neutered, narrowed, andand become overrun with trees over the years, making them much more difficult for the average golfer than were originally intended.

Brookside was the Stage Center of golf courses. No great loss.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a golf nerd.

Makes me wonder if it closed and was redesigned at one point... Depending on which webpage you are looking at I've seen the course credited to two different architects in multiple years.... Martin is credited in 52 & 56.

I'll agree that some of the greens at Brookside were consistent with how Maxwell designed greens... Specifically the 5th and 8th holes.

At the same time the lack of sand traps and wide fairways lends more to Martin's style of keeping golf fun for the average player and spending less time hunting for balls out of play.

You're probably right on the timeline. I like Duffy and even really enjoy his Guthrie courses, but if someone let him redesign a Maxwell track then that's when the mistake was made, not now. Lol.

Too bad! Played many rounds here in the past. Great place to go hack around for a few hours, work on the irons, and not have to deal with sand traps. Don't golf as much anymore but this was a neat little option to have.