I hope so. I'd hate to think any Cowboy would post that.

Nah, he was definitely posting a Sooner stereotype of an OSU football fan.

Nah, he was definitely posting a Sooner stereotype of an OSU football fan.

Ok, I feel better. That post almost wanted to make me to hang up my cowboy hat.

It's been 20 years since I attended. However, I recall folks getting arrested, escorted from the stadium and banned. I knew of whole frats banned from attending based on behavior. I know of officials calling penalties on the crowd behavior. *Maybe* it doesn't happen anymore. I'll know more when my son enrolls in OSU next year and I start attending games regularly again.

I'm admittedly an OU guy posting in an OSU thread, but honestly doing my best to be civil and not TOO partisan. Just saying that it seems to have gotten too out-of-hand - at least at Bedlam - and not much crowd control seems to be being brought to bear.

I was searching for the turkey leg video to post mostly for fun, and instead found this article from after the 2013 game. Watch the video, which I hadn't even seen myself until today. You'll see some OU players mouthing off to OSU fans, which I'm personally not proud of. But tell me whether or not the fans throwing stuff matches up with your experiences from 20 years ago. You won't see EVERYTHING as it is thrown, but look at all of the crap on the field after, and remember it all came from the stands. What part of that is OK? And remember that there are also OSU players and staff on the field and in the line of fire.

Bedlam behaving badly: Bad blood between OSU and OU at an all-time high | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/3913586)

And honestly, I think the worst part is buried in the story, where Trammel says that "...a high-ranking OSU administrator wrote me to defend the students who hurled stuff...".

It might not be cultural/institutional, but there are SOME indications that it MIGHT be, or at the very least that the powers that be are looking the other way.

You're just letting your Crimson show. I've been a lifelong OSU fan since 2009, and you Gooners deserve to be tripped, and spit on every time you come to Stillwater, cuz you guys are cheaters, and have woman beeters on yur team. We're the classy ones!

OSU is just as big of cheaters the only problem is osu isn't even good at cheating....

Woman beaters? google Chris Collins for me or Tyreek Hill. And about Tyreek Hill when he got arrested for beating his pregnant girlfriend, she stated it wasn't the first time, but had never been this bad....

remember Gundy and his rant about being a man and 40, what reporter was he yelling and screaming at? You guessed it Jenni Carlson. If the coach treats a woman that way, I am not surprised he allowed Chris Collins on his team.

The best part about osu fans as much as they hate OU and OU fans, they know they cant get into a better conference without ou's help.

It was a great year for OSU, they won their cream puff nonconference games, but when they played the big boys at home, they couldn't handle it.

It's not OK, and if true, doesn't match up to behavior from 20 years ago. And it should be corrected. Like I said elsewhere, OSU gets props from most visiting teams for their behavior, so there's no excuse for bedlam BS. I do think both schools have the same problem. When I was in the OSU marching band, I drove myself to Norman so I could go home for the weekend. Marching in the uniform carrying my instrument, if it wasn't for an entire OSU fraternity protecting me, I was about to get mobbed by OU fans. Neither excuses the other of course. Bedlam brings out the worse and should be addressed.

OSU is just as big of cheaters... ....but when they played the big boys at home, they couldn't handle it.

Pssst. The post you were responding to wasn't by an actual OSU fan.

OSU is just as big of cheaters the only problem is osu isn't even good at cheating....

Woman beaters? google Chris Collins for me or Tyreek Hill. And about Tyreek Hill when he got arrested for beating his pregnant girlfriend, she stated it wasn't the first time, but had never been this bad....

remember Gundy and his rant about being a man and 40, what reporter was he yelling and screaming at? You guessed it Jenni Carlson. If the coach treats a woman that way, I am not surprised he allowed Chris Collins on his team.

The best part about osu fans as much as they hate OU and OU fans, they know they cant get into a better conference without ou's help.

It was a great year for OSU, they won their cream puff nonconference games, but when they played the big boys at home, they couldn't handle it.

And while Filthy was being sarcastic... OKCretro was showing some great serious OU class...

It's not OK, and if true, doesn't match up to behavior from 20 years ago. And it should be corrected. Like I said elsewhere, OSU gets props from most visiting teams for their behavior, so there's no excuse for bedlam BS. I do think both schools have the same problem. When I was in the OSU marching band, I drove myself to Norman so I could go home for the weekend. Marching in the uniform carrying my instrument, if it wasn't for an entire OSU fraternity protecting me, I was about to get mobbed by OU fans. Neither excuses the other of course. Bedlam brings out the worse and should be addressed.

Yeah, stuff between fans has always existed and probably will. Bedlam usually isn't the proudest moment for both fan bases (I will say that I have seen OU fans intervene more than once when another OU fan was smack-talking a visiting Poke). But that behavior should stay in the stands. I'm just saying that when it makes its way to the field in the form of assaulting visiting players and staff, tripping, throwing objects, etc., it needs to be dealt with, and with a quickness. And NEVER defended by an administrator, sheesh. That was pretty shocking to read, honestly.

And I still say that a big part of the problem (when there is one) in Stillwater is the closeness of the stands to the field. It sortof begs for that type of confrontation, when heated rivals are playing, people are drunk, etc.. But since that is a known issue, it just seems like security would be on absolute lockdown, anticipating that behavior.

It probably contributes a bit to opposing player aggravation. In most places the bench is 10' or more from the stands, and the first row of spectator seats is only a couple of feet elevated. Heck, at Baylor the bench is probably 25' from the stands. In Stillwater the fans are only a couple of feet from players around the bench, and standing well above them, where the feel more protected from them. It's a lot more tempting to mouth off from the high ground, and due to the closeness, they can hear every word. I expect Boone Pickens is a pretty harrowing place to spend 60 minutes as a player. I'd probably keep my helmet on.

I saw this in response to situation....

Yes both fans have funs that yell things at the players during the game, but those are in the stands not on the field.

the last 2 times OU has played in Stillwater a person with access to the sideline has tried to trip an OU player. There just is no excuse for this behavior.

Also I feel sorry for reindeer anywhere near the vicinity of Stillwater. Wow that was worse than the tech guy ringing the bell.

And I still say that a big part of the problem (when there is one) in Stillwater is the closeness of the stands to the field. It sortof begs for that type of confrontation, when heated rivals are playing, people are drunk, etc.. But since that is a known issue, it just seems like security would be on absolute lockdown, anticipating that behavior.

Yes the big 12 needs to tell OSU to get rid of the first few rows of seats. For player safety and for security reasons as well. Its just not a safe environment.

And I still say that a big part of the problem (when there is one) in Stillwater is the closeness of the stands to the field. It sortof begs for that type of confrontation, when heated rivals are playing, people are drunk, etc.. But since that is a known issue, it just seems like security would be on absolute lockdown, anticipating that behavior.

It probably contributes a bit to opposing player aggravation. In most places the bench is 10' or more from the stands, and the first row of spectator seats is only a couple of feet elevated. Heck, at Baylor the bench is probably 25' from the stands. In Stillwater the fans are only a couple of feet from players around the bench, and standing well above them, where the feel more protected from the players. It's a lot more tempting to mouth off from the high ground, and due to the closeness, they can hear every word. I expect Boone Pickens is a pretty harrowing place to spend 60 minutes as a player. I'd probably keep my helmet on.

The basketball stadium is similar. It's sort of a 12th man scenario, in their minds, normally.

Yeah, no doubt. It is a definite home-field advantage.

Bedlam behavior: A game can be big without getting ugly | News OK (http://newsok.com/bedlam-behavior-a-game-can-be-big-without-getting-ugly/article/5463798)

Yes there were some idiot comments by OU fans on twitter, but you have to seek those comments out. Tripping on the sidelines just embarrassing.

Too bad Boone wasn't there to watch

Gundy was yelling at Jenni Carlson because Jenni Carlson sucks.

I thought the guy with the reindeer thing was kind of funny until I saw this...
Man Charged With Having Sex With A Horse (VIDEO) | Global Grind (http://globalgrind.com/2012/01/24/man-charged-having-sex-horse-video/)

wow OSU wow

Gundy was yelling at Jenni Carlson because Jenni Carlson sucks.

And he was defending/standing up for his players. When he loses he says he was outcoached. When other coaches lose, they throw their players under the bus (not naming names here....)

I thought the guy with the reindeer thing was kind of funny until I saw this...
Man Charged With Having Sex With A Horse (VIDEO) | Global Grind (http://globalgrind.com/2012/01/24/man-charged-having-sex-horse-video/)

wow OSU wow

Full of OU class today aren't you? I'm sure the other OU fans are glad to have you in their company? Anyone?

mason rudolph had surgery to repair a fracture in his right foot yesterday.

Oklahoma State football: Mason Rudolph reportedly undergoes surgery on right foot, bowl availability remains in question | News OK (http://newsok.com/mason-rudolph-reportedly-undergoes-surgery-on-right-ankle/article/5463806)

I thought the guy with the reindeer thing was kind of funny until I saw this...
Man Charged With Having Sex With A Horse (VIDEO) | Global Grind (http://globalgrind.com/2012/01/24/man-charged-having-sex-horse-video/)

wow OSU wow

Come on, man.

Full of OU class today aren't you? I'm sure the other OU fans are glad to have you in their company? Anyone?

So are you actually defending the osu sideline guy or the guy in the article or both?

He didn't do either.

He didn't do either.

Exactly. I condemned the behavior completely and have been clear about it. But let's just say I'm glad you're (OKCretro) an OU fan and not an OSU fan because I wouldn't want you to represent us either.

mason rudolph had surgery to repair a fracture in his right foot yesterday.

Oklahoma State football: Mason Rudolph reportedly undergoes surgery on right foot, bowl availability remains in question | News OK (http://newsok.com/mason-rudolph-reportedly-undergoes-surgery-on-right-ankle/article/5463806)

Crap.

For the record, OSU fans/bloggers are also condemning the tripping attempt: Whoops... The Stillwater Trip Happened Again | Pistols Firing (http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/whoops-the-stillwater-trip-happened-again/)

I don't think I have seen ANYBODY defend it.

^^^^^^
Haha if you want to feel ashamed of some of the folks who share your affiliation - regardless of whether it is OU or OSU - read the comments in response to that Pistols Firing blog post.

mason rudolph had surgery to repair a fracture in his right foot yesterday.

Oklahoma State football: Mason Rudolph reportedly undergoes surgery on right foot, bowl availability remains in question | News OK (http://newsok.com/mason-rudolph-reportedly-undergoes-surgery-on-right-ankle/article/5463806)

this was heavily rumored last week.

^^^^^^
Haha if you want to feel ashamed of some of the folks who share your affiliation - regardless of whether it is OU or OSU - read the comments in response to that Pistols Firing blog post.

Uhg. No one comes out good there...

Although I will say the dyslexic joke is an old one. "Only a sooner would abbreviate the University of Oklahoma as OU." It was funny when I was in School at OSU.

Bowl projections have OSU in the Russell Athletic Bowl (Orlando). TCU is listed in the Alamo and Baylor in the Sugar.

Come on Texas! Play the game of your life and beat Baylor! I'm begging!

Although I will say the dyslexic joke is an old one. "Only a sooner would abbreviate the University of Oklahoma as OU." It was funny when I was in School at OSU.

You do realize that transposing the letters was a Big 8 thing, right? The Big 8 wanted all of the schools to end in U; OU, NU, CU, KU, MU.

You do realize that transposing the letters was a Big 8 thing, right? The Big 8 wanted all of the schools to end in U; OU, NU, CU, KU, MU.

Right, and all of them are "University of X", just like OU.

You do realize that transposing the letters was a Big 8 thing, right? The Big 8 wanted all of the schools to end in U; OU, NU, CU, KU, MU.

Is that really why?

You do realize that transposing the letters was a Big 8 thing, right? The Big 8 wanted all of the schools to end in U; OU, NU, CU, KU, MU.

It was a joke.

No matter the circumstances, Texas beats Baylor and sends OSU to the Sugar Bowl! Hell ya!

What a tough year for Baylor. Reminds me of last year's Thunder season. Dang.

No matter the circumstances, Texas beats Baylor and sends OSU to the Sugar Bowl! Hell ya!

Any chance Rudolph is back? What's his timeline?

We have to learn how to run the bowl before we play a team from even a down-year SEC.


You do realize that transposing the letters was a Big 8 thing, right? The Big 8 wanted all of the schools to end in U; OU, NU, CU, KU, MU.

Then not being dyslexic should've disqualified Texas from joining the Big 8..and we'd still have a great conference.

That said, Hook 'Em! Pour some sugar on the Pokes! See, we just needed a bye week to get back to our winning ways!

Any chance Rudolph is back? What's his timeline?

Gundy said he's confident he will be back and ready. We'll see.

What a tough year for Baylor. Reminds me of last year's Thunder season. Dang.

Screw those cheating bastards. Couldn't have happened to a worse cult. This is what you get when you cover up rapes.

Early line - Ole Miss favored by 6.5 over OSU

We have to learn how to run the bowl before we play a team from even a down-year SEC.


Run the ball*** oops

Not surprising. Ole Miss could destroy us.

Yeah, same prediction from me as I had against BU and OU. Don't see how we can compete with them.

Yeah, same prediction from me as I had against BU and OU. Don't see how we can compete with them.

Health and rest will be vastly improved. The SEC is a bunch of frauds with bad bad offenses which makes their defenses look good. Ole Miss would have the 4th or 5th best offense in the big 12, its by far the best in SEC. Motivation is always a factor in bowl games. OSU might be just happy to be there, so they play loose and crazy. Extra month of practice will help the defense adjust to the losses of Simmons and Bean versus during the season Bean and Simmons go don in the meat of the schedule with no time for their backups to get better without giving up TDs. The offensive line can always use more practice time. The seniors on the team will be looking to have a huge game to boost draft stock (KP, Ogbah, Shepard) .

I don't doubt that we'll just play happy to be there.. Which is why Ole Miss destroys us on the ground.

Sadly, OSU is providing the most embarrassing performance by a Big 12 team in the post season so far. It has been dismal at best. I thought Mississippi would win but not like this.

And the second straight year of dismal Big 12 post season play.

I watched (unfortunately) last night. It was apparent that Oklahoma State over achieved this season. Who really thought they would end up with a legitimate chance to win the Big XII title going into the last game? Ole Miss has a half dozen big time NFL prospect compared to one, maybe two that OSU has. They were bigger and faster than our guys. What did you expect. After the first quarter I was honestly hoping we could keep it within 50.

I will have to say, Ole Miss has got to have the most bizarre season this year. Losing huge to Florida. Losing to Memphis. Freaky loss to Arkansas. Beating Alabama on the road. How all of that happened in the same season is beyond me.

All in all, I find that a disappointment in a Sugar Bowl loss just goes to show how far Oklahoma State has come. Even when Baylor lost to Texas and it was final that we were going, the reaction was ho hum. Pretty incredible that a trip to New Orleans is met with indifference. My first year in college was the years Rashaun Woods & Josh Fields beat OU in Norman. No bowl game though (I think they only won 2 games). The next year they put it together and made it to the Houston Bowl. My future wife at the time and I decided we better go because we may never get to go to a bowl game again while we were in Stillwater. Perceptions have been changed for good now. For the better.

Overachieved? What do you think OSU should be achieving? We have fallen so far since 2011 that I don't know where to begin sorting my thoughts with this gut check. For a while we had the nation's 2nd most expensive college stadium ever. Since usurped by an arms race that we were the ones to ratchet up, forcing Michigan to spend $400 million on theirs to remain competitive, etc. Baylor, Houston, Texas A&M, etc etc.. even schools that already had decent venues like Tech, K-State, OU, and even Iowa State have had to spend at least $50-200 million on theirs just to tread water.

I know you can't buy wins, but you can buy recruits. With the talent we have had to work with, the venue where up until this year nobody wanted to play us, and the gentle seas to navigate in the Big 12 (compare to Big 12 south days, B1G East, SEC West) - it's a different era. I am sick of dopey people comparing this modern-day Oklahoma State program to the same dopey Oklahoma State program that older generations in my family grew up supporting (read: enabling).

So for all that has changed, the more those things solidify, and the more that the wins just aren't there - the missing link becomes obvious. It's coaching. Les left because he didn't have time to wait 10 years to build a stadium and a program. Gundy was supposed to be temporary until the dust settled on the stadium. Now Gundy has been eating up cash that should be going to an actual big-time coach. His cover is and always has been, whelp it's better than Oklahoma State of old.

At most schools, better than Pat Jones gets you fired, just like it got Pat Jones fired at crappy old Oklahoma State. Not much different than Mark Richt, Paul Rhodes, Al Golden, Bo Pelini (who had a series of outbursts nowhere near as bad as Gundy), and so on. Ole Miss fired Houston Nutt for being only slightly better than Gundy. I believe that Cotton Bowl score was 21-7. Fired.