I just don't see OSU ending up better than 9-3. We are not a good team no matter how many stats people try to mangle to make us look that way. We can't compete with TCU, Baylor, or OU.

Yes and no. OSU seems to rise to the level of their opponents. I see us beating at least 1 if not 2 of those three.

So if you shellack Baylor and OU and lost to TCU who is the other loss to get to 10-2? I guess you are saying might lose to OU or is it another shocker in Ames? And if there is a "shellacking" in the Baylor game I think it will be the other way around. But then that's why we play the games!

Have you ever seen a Baylor play an OSU? :P

Baylor already doesn't do well in Stillwater. They also have no quarterback and no defense and have played no body. I'm not sure exactly what they do have (some WRs? we've got that too!) or have done, actually. I don't understand anything about them or why they are ranked ahead of OSU, let alone Memphis or Iowa. As for 10-2, yeah those are all great guesses - we could lose to ANYONE.

Did I misspell shellack? lol

No, spelling looked good to me! ha

But I happen to think you are undervaluing Baylor and placing too much value on the historical outcomes in Stillwater with these schools but we shall see.

I do think Baylor may be on the outside looking in when the first committe vote is released tonight due to who they have played so far. Still based on the eye test they look like a contender. Granted they have a new unknown with the freshman qb (who originally committed to Tech by the way). Gonna be a great November to see all this unfold.

I agree this will be a November to Remember like no other, and you're right that the historical context is meaningless, but it's all we have until the game is played. That eye test, which is usually code for "the unis say Alabama" (heard all about that in 2011), has to consider the competitive value. Baylor looks great because they never play anyone or travel anywhere tough.

Baylor is a program that goes out of their way to avoid scheduling big games. The spoils should go to TCU which should be rewarded for scheduling a resurgent Minnesota program and to OU for playing AT Neyland. Are either the same as OSU's opener against FSU at Jerryworld? Not even close. But there is a difference with Baylor, where you can read their mind when it comes to scheduling. At least OU and TCU act like respectable, class-act programs.

We won't have to worry about the games they play (or don't) when Baylor football goes back into a dark place, which is just a matter of time with all the revelations coming out.

Baylor at 6 and TCU at 8 in tonight's comm poll. Bama in the top 4.

First poll last year

Miss St
FSU
Auburn
Ole Miss

Lots of football left

Jim Traber finally had to give kudos to O-State. I'm sure it was hard for him.

Gotta give it up!

Impressive come-from-behind victory by the OSU Cowboys over those pesky Iowa State Cyclones.

I never realized how much I hate Iowa State.

Baylor / OSU game opened at pick em in Vegas. Got bet to OSU -1.5 and now -1

Pokes are gonna destroy Baylor. That would be my prediction even if we were 5-5 and they were 10-0.

Unofficial OSU vs Baylor hype:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I70iyjEEcbc

Baylor Beat down?

Because of two touchdowns? That didn't take you long lol...

Pokes are gonna destroy Baylor. That would be my prediction even if we were 5-5 and they were 10-0.

got any hot stock tips, nostradamus?

Because of two touchdowns? That didn't take you long lol...

Did you watch the game. It was total domination

Did you watch the game. It was total domination

And if OU had played last week against Baylor the way they played tonight, they would have had the same results that OSU had. Bedlam will still be a battle, no matter what.

God, Spartan, just own your words like a crow and eat them.

And if OU had played last week against Baylor the way they played tonight, they would have had the same results that OSU had. Bedlam will still be a battle, no matter what.

QB was nearly decapitated. Both star running backs we're banged up. And Sterling Shepard played the second half with an entire roll of tape on his left ankle. Apparently T Knight has forgotten how to play, the starting receivers were doing their jobs getting open, but Trevor was only comfortable throwing to the third stringers(who made what, two catches?) that he must get the most practice with. I'd say the squeak by victory was more on injuries than bad performance. The O line struggled again made evident by another potentially game losing personal fowl from the big freshman Orlando Brown, he kicked a kid last week. But Mayfield is the guy who can motivates them.

Did you watch the game. It was total domination

Sure I just don't understand people that rush onto OKC Talk or Orange Power in the middle of the first quarter of a game to get their anti-OSU jollies. Trust me, I watched the game, and cried big man tears if that helps you feel any better.

I might suggest just watch the game and have a life and then go to OKC Talk to post about it when it's over. Anyone who counts OSU out before the fat lady sings must have missed the whole season. Unless it's 51-21 entering the fourth..that'll just about do it.

I guess new trend is to blame coaches publicly after loss....wow.

OKState DE Emmanuel Ogbah: "They pretty much outcoached us. We were outcoached."

Unbelievable how much stuff is thrown from the stands at opposing players in Stillwater. Do that at OU (or pretty much any other sports venue in America) and you're getting tossed. Is it only vs OU that they allow this to happen? Or do they just assume zero crowd control in general?

I guess new trend is to blame coaches publicly after loss....wow.

OKState DE Emmanuel Ogbah: "They pretty much outcoached us. We were outcoached."

Mike Gundy said basically the same thing post game.

Ogbah got dominated by a RS frosh.

Mike Gundy said basically the same thing post game.

Yeah, but it's not proper or productive for a player to publicly criticize/question coaching. That's a slippery slope to player discord.

Anyway - last night's result aside - it was a really good year for OSU football, and they definitely exceeded expectations. Should get a great bowl bid, and will be a solid matchup against just about anybody. Their future looks bright. Glad OU has them in Norman next year. Of course, it's not like OU has ever had THAT much trouble in Stillwater... :D

Mike Gundy said basically the same thing post game.

Completely different for coach to say it than a player. Would be like Gundy tossing players under bus.

... Would be like Gundy tossing players under bus.

Nah. Young men get emotional. They strive not to show it, but it can come out.

Far, far worse for a coach of Gundy's stature to throw a player under a bus, what with him being a man, and (well over) 40 and all.

^But that is the comparison. Anyway, players tossing out coaches publicly is weak. Elliott last week at the other OSU and Ogbah last night. Make a tackle dude.

Unbelievable how much stuff is thrown from the stands at opposing players in Stillwater. Do that at OU (or pretty much any other sports venue in America) and you're getting tossed. Is it only vs OU that they allow this to happen? Or do they just assume zero crowd control in general?

Not at players per se, but when I was in the OSU marching band we had golf balls thrown at us when in Norman. There are dicks everywhere.

I understand that there are assholes in every crowd. We had a battery lobbed into the OU section (landed at our feet) at BAYLOR of all places, and that was BEFORE the Sooners commenced to dismantling the Bears.

I've just never seen so much stuff thrown onto the field and in the area of players as I see pretty much every Bedlam game. Usually that stuff isn't tolerated AT ALL, anywhere. It's possible that it might be more noticeable in Stillwater due to the closeness of the stands, but still. Throwing objects onto the field and into the vicinity of players should get you tossed immediately.

Great Season Pokes! Now go win the Bowl game

I thought 11 we got 10, oh well. Still a great season.

I understand that there are assholes in every crowd. We had a battery lobbed into the OU section (landed at our feet) at BAYLOR of all places, and that was BEFORE the Sooners commenced to dismantling the Bears.

I've just never seen so much stuff thrown onto the field and in the area of players as I see pretty much every Bedlam game. Usually that stuff isn't tolerated AT ALL, anywhere. It's possible that it might be more noticeable in Stillwater due to the closeness of the stands, but still. Throwing objects onto the field and into the vicinity of players should get you tossed immediately.

Maybe OSU stands out because of the year the cheerleader tried to trip an OU player in the end zone ?

^^^^^^^
Happened again this year, at least twice. Once when team was exiting tunnel, and once after a score in the end zone, the latter caught on camera.

https://twitter.com/eddie_rado/status/671006982782889984

^ I hate that ****. Makes me so mad that people do stuff like that.

I had OSU at 8-4 this year (still think they are an 8-4 team), so getting out of the Big 12 at 10-2 makes me pretty happy. OU looks like a team that can win the National Championship. I hope Baker stays healthy. Without him I don't see it happening. The dude is an absolute gamer.

I will point out that there is no shortage of douche wagons on OU's side.

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I will point out that there is no shortage of douche wagons on OU's side.

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There are morons and idiots everywhere.

Not at players per se, but when I was in the OSU marching band we had golf balls thrown at us when in Norman. There are dicks everywhere.

Yes but those idiots are not allowed on the sidelines like OSU allows them.

Clearly there is no over sight on who gets onto the field.

Maybe Holder needs to stop worrying about keeping the red out of BPS (which he did a horrible job of) and worry about who he allows on the sidelines.

^^^^^^^
Happened again this year, at least twice. Once when team was exiting tunnel, and once after a score in the end zone, the latter caught on camera.

https://twitter.com/eddie_rado/status/671006982782889984

Idiotic, stupid, and shameful. Has anyone identified this jerk?

What's frustrating, is that OSU and Stillwater has a rep among most of the other schools of being a great host. When I attended, it was something we prided ourselves on (vs how other towns and schools who I won't name treat visiting teams). They've gotten thank you notes and letter from visiting fans and coaches and even players. Yet bedlam brings out the worst idiots.

Idiotic, stupid, and shameful. Has anyone identified this jerk?

What's frustrating, is that OSU and Stillwater has a rep among most of the other schools of being a great host. When I attended, it was something we prided ourselves on (vs how other towns and schools who I won't name treat visiting teams). They've gotten thank you notes and letter from visiting fans and coaches and even players. Yet bedlam brings out the worst idiots.

Yeah, OU has same rep, and has for decades. I've been told by many fans of other schools that Norman was easily the best road game they have ever attended based on how welcoming fans were. Makes sense that both OU and OSU would have this rep, considering how nice people in Oklahoma are in general. It seems the only time either side is ****ty to visiting teams is during Bedlam. It's a shame.

I will point out that there is no shortage of douche wagons on OU's side.

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Yeah, that is absolutely awful. I doubt that you will find any OU fans who claim a terrible person like that. And I completely agree that all schools have idiots in their fan bases. My only point really is that it's astounding how little stadium security seems to concerns themselves with items being thrown on the field (toss idiots like that, fercryinoutloud), and UNBELIEVABLE that people who must have some sort of athletic department connection/privileges (sideline passes usually aren't easy to come by) have repeatedly attempted to trip opposing players. It blows my mind that it continues to happen.

and UNBELIEVABLE that people who must have some sort of athletic department connection/privileges (sideline passes usually aren't easy to come by) have repeatedly attempted to trip opposing players. It blows my mind that it continues to happen.

Well, the last time it was a cheerleader. And he was punished (even though he made no contact). So as far as I know this was the first sideline privilege person attempting this. I'm curious if it was a recruit. If so, I expect they may not be for much longer.

Yeah, I would consider a cheerleader someone with athletic department ties. And glad to know they were punished. Honestly I think a big part of the problem is the closeness of the walls. Add to that a hated rival, collegiate football passion and youngsters who often can't see beyond the next five minutes of their lives and you have a recipe for stuff like this. Just seems like there should be some sort of memo. "Don't do this. If you try, it will surely be caught on camera and you will be ejected and banned from future events." The end.

My only point really is that it's astounding how little stadium security seems to concerns themselves with items being thrown on the field (toss idiots like that, fercryinoutloud)

Oh, and it happens more than you think. And folks get arrested for it as well... depending on the item. Tossing out Oranges in 1993 when OSU was hammering Nebraska is one thing (and it was during half time). Batteries and golf balls and trash is another.

My wife isn't allowed to bring a full sized purse into the stadium, why do they allow the paddle person to bring in his giant reindeer love doll and make a fool of himself and his university on national TV.

I guess new trend is to blame coaches publicly after loss....wow.

OKState DE Emmanuel Ogbah: "They pretty much outcoached us. We were outcoached."

Ohio States heisman candidate running back basically did the same thing after their loss to mich state. After carrying the ball 12 times for 13 yards he said the play calling was the reason they lost and he didn't agree with it. He went on to say in the same interview that he didn't really want to play college ball anymore and would be entering the draft.

I didn't see any response from the staff or university until he was embracing a smiling coach Meyer after having run 214 on 33 carries. On Saturday. He didn't apologize, he just quickly said "I let my emotions get the best of me" and let coach change the subject.

It's been my coffee talk subject all week. Whether you respond, and draw even more attention and possibly reprimand a player and affect the play of a game? Or do nothing and let a 20yr old punk who can run fast call you out, you who just won the national title last year, in front of millions of people, possibly affecting your job. How it relates to real life jobs/teams/business and office settings, and where to draw the line.

^I was glad to see some of the stuff in paper today saying that he was basically just repeating what the coaches told them to say and it wasn't said with malice - unlike the Elliott quotes which were hot and heavy. Ogbah seems like a good kid and I hope he gets rewarded with a top draft pick. When I first saw the comments on twitter it was disappointing but since with some context maybe not what i first thought. Benefit of the doubt and all that good stuff.:)

My wife isn't allowed to bring a full sized purse into the stadium, why do they allow the paddle person to bring in his giant reindeer love doll and make a fool of himself and his university on national TV. I was thinking about this yesterday after talking about the Rudolph humping guy. I'm 'hoping' there's some sort of background check or clearance for that club since their essentially bringing in weapons. But then I got a bit paranoid after thinking about the suicide bomb attacks in the Paris stadium, and the fact that millions of people were watching game day, and the fact that we've been bombed before for less than average security measures at a public building. I generally don't approve of bags in stadiums, they take time to search and take up space in the isles, they never do a good job as we and half the people in our section always manage to sneak liquor in. The NBA has new protocols and I do appreciate the new security standards, it needs to get faster though. If at some point I have to take my shoes and belt off and go through a scanner I just don't want to be a sports fan anymore.

Well, the last time it was a cheerleader. And he was punished (even though he made no contact). So as far as I know this was the first sideline privilege person attempting this. I'm curious if it was a recruit. If so, I expect they may not be for much longer.
How was he punished ? I never heard he was

Probably because you weren't paying attention. You could have looked just about anywhere.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/oklahoma-state-cheerleader-face-discipline-trying-trip-oklahoma-183310033--ncaaf.html
OSU cheerleader to be disciplined for trying to trip OU football player in Bedlam game | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2013/12/11/osu-cheerleader-to-be-disiplined-for-trying-to-trip-ou-football-player-in-bedlam-game/)
OSU football: OSU cheer squad member will be disciplined after Bedlam gaffe | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/3912902)
Sooner-tripping Oklahoma State cheerleader facing discipline - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24371259/soonertripping-oklahoma-state-cheerleader-facing-discipline)
OSU Cheerleader Will Be Disciplined After Nearly Tripping Oklahoma Player | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1883709-osu-cheerleader-will-be-disciplined-after-nearly-tripping-oklahoma-player)
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/10114005/oklahoma-state-cowboys-discipline-cheerleader-gaffe

Probably because you weren't paying attention. You could have looked just about anywhere.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/oklahoma-state-cheerleader-face-discipline-trying-trip-oklahoma-183310033--ncaaf.html
OSU cheerleader to be disciplined for trying to trip OU football player in Bedlam game | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2013/12/11/osu-cheerleader-to-be-disiplined-for-trying-to-trip-ou-football-player-in-bedlam-game/)
OSU football: OSU cheer squad member will be disciplined after Bedlam gaffe | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/3912902)
Sooner-tripping Oklahoma State cheerleader facing discipline - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24371259/soonertripping-oklahoma-state-cheerleader-facing-discipline)
OSU Cheerleader Will Be Disciplined After Nearly Tripping Oklahoma Player | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1883709-osu-cheerleader-will-be-disciplined-after-nearly-tripping-oklahoma-player)
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/10114005/oklahoma-state-cowboys-discipline-cheerleader-gaffe

Yes I understand OSU said he would be punished, but what was the actual punishment? A stern talking? kicked off the team?
Huge deference between saying "some will be disciplined" and actually what the disciple will be or was....

from one of your articles....
OSU Deputy Athletic Director Dave Martin told the Big 12 OSU “does not condone, physical or verbally abusive acts toward anyone working, attending or competing in our athletic events.”

“I have met individually with the male student involved with the incident and he is extremely apologetic for his involvement,” Martin said. “And he understands there will be consequences for his poor judgment and actions. At this time, I feel confident the situation has been thoroughly investigated and that consequences for the involved person are warranted and will be administered.”

Martin has not confirmed the nature of the punishment.

Yes I understand OSU said he would be punished, but what was the actual punishment? A stern talking? kicked off the team?
Huge deference between saying "some will be disciplined" and actually what the disciple will be or was....

from one of your articles....
OSU Deputy Athletic Director Dave Martin told the Big 12 OSU “does not condone, physical or verbally abusive acts toward anyone working, attending or competing in our athletic events.”

“I have met individually with the male student involved with the incident and he is extremely apologetic for his involvement,” Martin said. “And he understands there will be consequences for his poor judgment and actions. At this time, I feel confident the situation has been thoroughly investigated and that consequences for the involved person are warranted and will be administered.”

Martin has not confirmed the nature of the punishment.

Who knows the details? Why is it your business? He stuck his leg out, didn't actually make any contact, and caused no disruption. Should he be taken out and shot? I imagine he got a talking to and maybe a suspension from the cheer squad. Not sure anything else is needed.

Your crimson is showing.

At some point it becomes something that the Big 12 should look at. If opposing players can't participate on the field at a Big 12 school without fear of assault (be it by tripping, by thrown battery or by thrown turkey leg), the conference has a vested interest in seeing that the problem is fixed.

Honestly, it should be as easy as a memo from the athletic director, announcements on the PA, and swift consequences for the offenders, be it ejection, loss of privileges, or outright ban from the stadium. That is how it is handled in most venues. Throw something onto the court at a Thunder game and you can be banned from the building and lose your season tickets. Seriously. I get the feeling that OSU's athletic department is taking too blasé of an approach to this issue. It seems trivial, right up to the point where an athlete is injured.

Seriously. I get the feeling that OSU's athletic department is taking too blasé of an approach to this issue. It seems trivial, right up to the point where an athlete is injured.

Except that you're making a lot of assumptions.

I said "I get the feeling" which completely acknowledges that it is just an assumption. But I do think that as a recurring issue it should be of interest to the conference.

At some point it becomes something that the Big 12 should look at. If opposing players can't participate on the field at a Big 12 school without fear of assault (be it by tripping, by thrown battery or by thrown turkey leg), the conference has a vested interest in seeing that the problem is fixed.

Honestly, it should be as easy as a memo from the athletic director, announcements on the PA, and swift consequences for the offenders, be it ejection, loss of privileges, or outright ban from the stadium. That is how it is handled in most venues. Throw something onto the court at a Thunder game and you can be banned from the building and lose your season tickets. Seriously. I get the feeling that OSU's athletic department is taking too blasé of an approach to this issue. It seems trivial, right up to the point where an athlete is injured.

You're just letting your Crimson show. I've been a lifelong OSU fan since 2009, and you Gooners deserve to be tripped, and spit on every time you come to Stillwater, cuz you guys are cheaters, and have woman beeters on yur team. We're the classy ones!

You're just letting your Crimson show. I've been a lifelong OSU fan since 2009, and you Gooners deserve to be tripped, and spit on every time you come to Stillwater, cuz you guys are cheaters, and have woman beeters on yur team. We're the classy ones, not you.

Boo. #notallcowboys

I said "I get the feeling" which completely acknowledges that it is just an assumption. But I do think that as a recurring issue it should be of interest to the conference.

It's been 20 years since I attended. However, I recall folks getting arrested, escorted from the stadium and banned. I knew of whole frats banned from attending based on behavior. I know of officials calling penalties on the crowd behavior. *Maybe* it doesn't happen anymore. I'll know more when my son enrolls in OSU next year and I start attending games regularly again.

Boo. #notallcowboys

Think you missed on the sarcasm.

Think you missed on the sarcasm.

I hope so. I'd hate to think any Cowboy would post that.