I don't believe that is a city inspection (it would be able) ..... and any city should be very very leery of doing that ... because lots and lots of restaurants are in violation of that

But in fact the City of Norman did. As far as other places I imagine it is inspector discretion. But I stand corrected on the %. It's 35%.


Kong's in Norman closes after city suspends license | News | normantranscript.com
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But in fact the City of Norman did. As far as other places I imagine it is inspector discretion. But I stand corrected on the %. It's 35%.


Kong's in Norman closes after city suspends license | News | normantranscript.com
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.normantranscript.com/news/kongs-in-norman-closes-after-city-suspends-license/article_00f424ec-b5fc-53a5-867d-5a6e589f3ab8.amp.html

that article lists 35 percent food sales to be a restaurant .. so i wonder if that is a separate Norman requirement .. ?

that article lists 35 percent food sales to be a restaurant .. so i wonder if that is a separate Norman requirement .. ?

I think it's specific to Campus Corner.

The 50% requirement is enforced by ABLE.

A Facebook friend posted there was another shooting at Kong's last night. Is this the same incident or another one?

KOCO tonight reported a shootout involving a passing car, a pedestrian, and a club security guard outside Sunset Patio Bar. It seems like gunplay is becoming a regular occurrence at Sunset and / or Kong's

Ugh. I just feel bad for the rest of the Midtown business owners. While I'm sure they're still doing fine, I'm sure (and have heard this from a couple of them) Kong's and Sunset are very frustrating to the them. While part of it is probably due to getting older, we have done a complete 180* from going to Midtown more than any other area to barely going there at all over the last few years due to the changing of the "vibe" and I doubt we're the only ones.

The owner is not a bad guy. I've met him. But for some reason, the clientele who go to these bars are the worst of people. It's so dumb. Not sure what it is. He is a good guy who runs successful bars. It's hard to just turn people away, in this day and age. Word travels fast. But also, these are usually outside the bar, where it isn't the bars fault. Hard to fully blame them when a passing car is involved. I just don't see how the owner is getting shamed.

The owner is not a bad guy. I've met him. But for some reason, the clientele who go to these bars are the worst of people. It's so dumb. Not sure what it is. He is a good guy who runs successful bars. It's hard to just turn people away, in this day and age. Word travels fast. But also, these are usually outside the bar, where it isn't the bars fault. Hard to fully blame them when a passing car is involved. I just don't see how the owner is getting shamed.

Because multiple shootings have happened in and directly outside his establishments? Pretty fair criticism imo.

Keep in mind, the owners of these places pay promoters to go out and recruit patrons.

This is especially common in Midtown and Bricktown.

Keep in mind, the owners of these places pay promoters to go out and recruit patrons.

This is especially common in Midtown and Bricktown.

Right. Bars don't get a luck of the draw crowd. They actively cultivate who their clientele is. It's no coincidence that the bars in question draw the clientele they do.

Keep in mind, the owners of these places pay promoters to go out and recruit patrons.

This is especially common in Midtown and Bricktown.

Which seems kind of dumb at this point for Sunset if they’re doing that. The place is always packed and I don’t feel like it would need a promoter to get a crowd at this point.

Most of the crowd at Kong’s is trash now. The last few times I’ve been around there I’ve walked in and walked out. Bathrooms are always disgusting and the place is usually trashed. Women I know who’ve tied to go there basically have said it’s the only place in midtown that they feel like they need to keep their hand over their drink at all times for safety and generally avoid it now. I really hope Sunset doesn’t go that direction. It’s been crowded a few of the times I’ve been but has always been pretty clean and well kept.

Which seems kind of dumb at this point for Sunset. The place is always packed and I don’t feel like it would need a promoter to get a crowd at this point.

Hiring promoters is how they got their crowd in the first place. Same with Kong's and almost all the places in Bricktown.

Hiring promoters is how they got their crowd in the first place. Same with Kong's and almost all the places in Bricktown.

Figured that was par for the course for the Bricktown clubs but didn’t realize they were both doing it.

Hiring promoters is how they got their crowd in the first place. Same with Kong's and almost all the places in Bricktown.

When you say "almost all of the places in Bricktown" you surely are referring to nightclubs, correct? The 4 or 5 clubs in Bricktown often get outsized notice, but there are dozens of other types of bars, restaurants and other establishments in the district who definitely do NOT practice what you are describing here.

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Yes, meant clubs / late-night bars.

Hiring promoters is how they got their crowd in the first place. Same with Kong's and almost all the places in Bricktown.

Yes, I remember Kongs when it first opened was doing a massive social media campaign using a lot of local "influencers" and contests.

I don't ever go to Kongs anymore, but I have been to Sunset a few times and it was always a good time.

Video with shots by sunset
https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/1496576527265411102?t=yW2cDi5RyOBDcdwn8KN6IA&s=19

Video with shots by sunset
https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/1496576527265411102?t=yW2cDi5RyOBDcdwn8KN6IA&s=19

“Shots by Sunset, a shot bar concept brought to you by Shyon Keoppel”

As long as OKC has had popular nightlife spots, the occasional gunfire at those spots has been expected. It used to be in Bricktown. Now it's moved to Midtown. Re the above shots fired, there can't be that many cars of that color in OKC. I imagine the police will have little difficulty finding the shooter.

As long as OKC has had popular nightlife spots, the occasional gunfire at those spots has been expected. It used to be in Bricktown. Now it's moved to Midtown. Re the above shots fired, there can't be that many cars of that color in OKC. I imagine the police will have little difficulty finding the shooter.

I hope you're right and they find the shooter. To be fair, I remember going to places like the Bowery, Velvet Underground, Inertia, Club Pyramid, Angles and countless other joints and even nightlife districts throughout the eighties and nineties and no, gun play was not common at those places. Also, once or twice a month is not "occasional."

...To be fair, I remember going to places like the Bowery, Velvet Underground, Inertia, Club Pyramid, Angles and countless other joints and even nightlife districts throughout the eighties and nineties and no, gun play was not common at those places....

Absolutely this! It should not "be expected", and it never has been and it never happened back then when I was going to those clubs too, this is a distinctly 2010s-now (maybe 2000s, I wasn't back here until 2009) thing.

Shouldn't be expected, but not a new problem: https://www.oklahoman.com/article/2385436/nightclub-sued-for-20-million-over-slaying.

Shouldn't be expected, but not a new problem: https://www.oklahoman.com/article/2385436/nightclub-sued-for-20-million-over-slaying.

Find about 6-7 more of those that happened in roughly the same area in the same year, then we'll talk...

Shouldn't be expected, but not a new problem: https://www.oklahoman.com/article/2385436/nightclub-sued-for-20-million-over-slaying.

Right. I imagine any city of this size is going to have "that club" or "that part of town" where this sort of thing happens. Shots were fired, thankfully, no one died. That said, I'm sure the OCPD is handling it. There can't be that many bright orange camaramustangorwhatnot around town. Back when I was of the age people are when they go to these establishments, "that part of town" was a series of here one moment/gone the next establishments in north Bricktown.

I was told that Kong's is looking to expand into the old GoGo Sushi space.

UGH. What a waste of space that will be, as if Kong's isn't already enough of one.

The exact opposite thing I was hoping would happen...

Man no kidding. Kongs sucks now.

Per Greg Horton on FB, Kong's is converting to Prism Bar & Kitchen and to be run by the guy who ran Sunset Patio Bar.

Per Greg Horton on FB, Kong's is converting to Prism Bar & Kitchen and to be run by the guy who ran Sunset Patio Bar.

Please Please tell me we are allowed to change this thread title to Prism and Bar & Kitchen Formerly Kong's Formerly Gigglez, Please

Also, This would be same management as Lamplight and what is his stupid "glamour" bar on 23rd thats like "Vegas Meets Miami" lol Wasn't he already the guy that ran Kong's?

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You are thinking of James Vu who did run Lamppost and the original Kong's and now Yours Truly.

I believe the new manager will be Joel Buffington who has long been a manager for Shyon's places.

Also, This would be same management as Lamplight and what is his stupid "glamour" bar on 23rd thats like "Vegas Meets Miami" lol Wasn't he already the guy that ran Kong's?

I'm curious, what make you think Yours Truly is stupid?

I'm curious, what make you think Yours Truly is stupid?

Personally, I think it feels gaudy inside. It wants to be sophisticated, stylish, and the place to be for who is who. It does not feel that way, it feels hollow and underwhelming. I can understand if some people like the vibe. It is just not for me though.

One way to cut down on boorish behavior is to raise the age of admittance to somewhere between 25-30.

Prism, not far from Prison (as I first read it). Fitting name

BTW, this will be two separate concepts: Prism and Ultraviolet.