I spent plenty of time in bars in the 70's and 80's and I can say I never heard of coin beer. Lots of dollar or two dollar pitchers, but never coin beer. Before 84 we didn't have liquor by the drink. Many bars and clubs were beer only.

I spent plenty of time in bars in the 70's and 80's and I can say I never heard of coin beer. Lots of dollar or two dollar pitchers, but never coin beer. Before 84 we didn't have liquor by the drink. Many bars and clubs were beer only.

I'm in my late 30's and I've heard of coin beer. Though I don't remember which ones, I do remember some clubs here in OKC advertising coin beer nights when I was younger.

I'm in my late 30's and I've heard of coin beer. Though I don't remember which ones, I do remember some clubs here in OKC advertising coin beer nights when I was younger.

Yes, I believe that started at country bars and then it became a fairly big deal in the late ‘80s and early-mid ‘90s. Miller, Budweiser, Corona, Tecate, all sponsored coin beer nights, some as low as a quarter that I remember.

But.

I think everyone is dancing around a simple fact in this thread, and for good reason. We simply, as a society, have come to a point where certain things are just not talked about. It is an almost totalitarian fear of repression to openly and freely discuss many things. To point out that violence occurs at astronomically higher levels at clubs that attract ‘urban culture’ is seen as something more sinister than just stating facts. OCPD loses tons of officers who are damned if they do and damned if they don’t when dealing with these ‘urban problems.’ It is all so obvious yet nobody, and I earn nobody, is allowed to talk about it. Am I dancing around it myself? Damn right. I think we all do. And it is not about race per se, it’s about culture.

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Yet violent crime rates are lower than when most of us grew up. And precious little violence occurs between strangers.

It's not that hard to just avoid the places we are talking about. I went once out of curiosity and never went back. I still go out all the time without any fear.

The whole cheap beer thing seems to me to be a statement about the disintegration of our society. In the 70s and 80s coin beer. Where any coin, even a penny bought a beer. There was almost zero violence. Zero. People just don't care about other people's anymore.
Not bar related but an example of people not caring. I was driving North on Rockwell on my way home today. I was in the front line at 63rd sitting at a red light. When my light turned green I hesitated as I leaned as a motorcycle rider and has been a lifesaver driving my tiny Miata. I watched one car that might have actually been in the intersection as the light turned red. Ok. But! 4 more cars went through the inspection after my light was green. The last one honked at me as I started to pull out as they went by. Our world is going to hell in a hand basket.

I got whiplash reading your post on this page and your post from the last page of this thread:


Back in the late 70s and 80s I hung out at a mostly biker, strip bar called Sinbad's at NW 16th & May. It was not uncommon for fights to break out there. I backed out of the place many times holding a chair in front of me to block flying beer bottles.

It seems like the world isn't disintegrating after all. It's just that drunk people get into fights at bar sometimes.

Yes, I believe that started at country bars and then it became a fairly big deal in the late ‘80s and early-mid ‘90s. Miller, Budweiser, Corona, Tecate, all sponsored coin beer nights, some as low as a quarter that I remember.

But.

I think everyone is dancing around a simple fact in this thread, and for good reason. We simply, as a society, have come to a point where certain things are just not talked about. It is an almost totalitarian fear of repression to openly and freely discuss many things. To point out that violence occurs at astronomically higher levels at clubs that attract ‘urban culture’ is seen as something more sinister than just stating facts. OCPD loses tons of officers who are damned if they do and damned if they don’t when dealing with these ‘urban problems.’ It is all so obvious yet nobody, and I earn nobody, is allowed to talk about it. Am I dancing around it myself? Damn right. I think we all do. And it is not about race per se, it’s about culture.

as someone who grew up around and in a bunch of country and biker bars in far western oklahoma, and can tell you that still feel much safer today in any OKC club that attracts "urban culture" than i did in any of those places i grew up around.

Actaully i think more this that people aren't talking about that is simple. with modern tech and living in a more connected world, we hear about these situations much more often now than we did in say the 70's, 80's and 90's. because i can tell you first hand that i have seen many stabbings in the late 90's in many biker bars in western rural oklahoma that were never talked about by the media.

Looks like the bar is closing.

https://www.koco.com/amp/article/oklahoma-bricktown-pink-parrot-permanently-closing-stabbing/43169639

Great news on the closure. Alcohol/drugs are a major societal issue in general. Mix the right ingredients, environment, cultures & excessive consumption and it's no wonder. Alcohol is much much more powerful than most people realize since it's everywhere.

They are closing because there are likely facing criminal charges, as the guy that did the stabbing was only 18 and was inside the bar. And you can bet every one of the people injured is going to bring a civil suit against the Pink Parrot owners.

It took this person stabbing a bunch of others for ABLE to find out he was underage. Good odds he was wasted too as all this happened after midnight.

As my friend in the FBI always says, by the time someone is caught committing a crime, they have been breaking the law a very long time. He likens it to speeding in that you can do it a thousand times until you're ever pulled over.

Glam is also closed and was another shady club where a guy was killed in a fight inside the place (might have been operating under another name at the time, but it was always the same type of place).


Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end for the craziness that goes on down late on Friday and Saturday nights.

We'll see how much of this merely shifts to the crazier places in Midtown.

If the state and city are taking stronger actions with these places in Bricktown, it’s going to make the area much more enjoyable and safer at night. ABLE should now take a closer look at Sunset Patio, Kongs, and Fassler, because I guarantee the first two places are intentionally letting in underage patrons.

Interestingly, I sat at the bar at Oso yesterday and was carded. I was the only one at the bar and I definitely don’t appear younger than 21 (to put it nicely). When she asked for my ID, the bartender pre-emptively said, “Sorry, they’ve (ABLE) been cracking down.”

Now that the owner has closed the bar, will he still face any possible legal issues as a result of so many under aged 'kids' which frequented the Pink Parrot?

Is Fassler actually part of the problem or are they just in a poor spot that's sandwiched between Kong's and Sunset? I always thought McNellies group had a great reputation (at least in the Tulsa area). I haven't been over there since sunset opened but my experiences before were all pleasant.

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The underage thing is another reason why there should be a crackdown on ABC-2 places that are actually clubs, like Kongs and Sunset.

As ABC-2, any age can be admitted under the guise it is a restaurant (at least 50% of revenue coming from food). So anyone can enter and stay while at ABC-3 you have to be over 21.

How many people have to get stabbed and shot before laws are actually enforced?

Now that the owner has closed the bar, will he still face any possible legal issues as a result of so many under aged 'kids' which frequented the Pink Parrot?

Yes, that doesn't make the past crimes go away. Plus, the owner probably knows its over for him financially.

How about anyone convicted of alcohol related crimes (DUI, drunk in public, domestic violence while intoxicated, disorderly conduct while intoxicated, underage drinking, etc...) have an identifier on their drivers license that prevents them from ever buying alcohol or entering any establishment that requires identification.

How about anyone convicted of alcohol related crimes (DUI, drunk in public, domestic violence while intoxicated, disorderly conduct while intoxicated, underage drinking, etc...) have an identifier on their drivers license that prevents them from ever buying alcohol or entering any establishment that requires identification.

Because rehabilitation?

Yes, that doesn't make the past crimes go away. Plus, the owner probably knows its over for him financially.

As it should be. The owner profited from illegal behavior and, at the very least, tacitly encouraged the illegal behavior, knowingly creating an environment ripe for violence. If there are no repercussions for this, it merely encourages others to do the same.

Because rehabilitation?

I have no problem with one and done but in the spirit of compromise it could have time limits depending on the severity of the crime.

The Oklahoman just reported that at least one of the 8 victims was only 19.

So at least two of 9 involved were underage; given there had to have been at least a hundred people in there, simple extrapolation tells you there were likely 20+ underage people in that bar when this went down at 1:30 AM.

Now multiply that number over many years of management by the same people and in the same manner, and you are talking about a massive amount of underage drinking at a single establishment that had yielded violence several times. An ABLE official said that he wasn't aware of previous citations which only demonstrates how poorly they enforce liquor laws.

How about anyone convicted of alcohol related crimes (DUI, drunk in public, domestic violence while intoxicated, disorderly conduct while intoxicated, underage drinking, etc...) have an identifier on their drivers license that prevents them from ever buying alcohol or entering any establishment that requires identification.

How about any place that serves minors and has violent incidents the owners be barred from owning or have an interest in any establishment that sells liquor, beer, or wine.

It shouldn't be that shocking that underage people get into bars. I know I got into many before I turned 21.

It shouldn't be that shocking that underage people get into bars. I know I got into many before I turned 21.

There are some pretty realistic looking fake IDs available from foreign sources. You can't lay this entirely at the feet of the bars. These were adults, all over 18, who came in here and committed violent acts. They're not without blame for their own actions. As far as the venue's liability, I don't think that's an open and shut case at all--and whether the owner is personally liable is definitely going to be a question. I'm sure he has some sort of corporate structure in place.

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We don't know if they had fake ID's or if they were realistic.

We only know at least two of the 9 involved were underage.

It shouldn't be that shocking that underage people get into bars. I know I got into many before I turned 21.When I was 18 you only had to be 18. But three guys I hung out with from school and I went in bars at 16. The 4 of us also had a running tab at a liquor store.

Is Fassler actually part of the problem or are they just in a poor spot that's sandwiched between Kong's and Sunset? I always thought McNellies group had a great reputation (at least in the Tulsa area). I haven't been over there since sunset opened but my experiences before were all pleasant.

I go to Fassler Hall quite a bit, usually for lunch and a beer or later in the afternoon, we've had a local running club buy out the restaurant for an early Sunday brunch several times, never a problem. Except ... There were a few times that I was there, later in the evening and dressed casually, maybe a polo and khakis and the vibe I got was not a good one, kinda' like walking into a drunken frat house party, one where I wasn't invited. Really strange, I got the strong feeling that I was being sized up for a fight. I really enjoy Fassler Hall, just not after 9pm.

How about any place that serves minors and has violent incidents the owners be barred from owning or have an interest in any establishment that sells liquor, beer, or wine.

Yeah - I'm good with that also. I don't have a lot of tolerance for these types of shenanigans. As mentioned earlier, some people get violent when they get drunk and as soon as that type of person self-identifies they get taken out of the game. Same with management. Once they prove they can't manage their establishment they can't play anymore either.

Went to the Thunder game tonight, and I don’t think I‘ve ever seen so many cop cars down there. They were rolling deep as hell.

There are some pretty realistic looking fake IDs available from foreign sources. You can't lay this entirely at the feet of the bars. These were adults, all over 18, who came in here and committed violent acts. They're not without blame for their own actions. As far as the venue's liability, I don't think that's an open and shut case at all--and whether the owner is personally liable is definitely going to be a question. I'm sure he has some sort of corporate structure in place.

No doubt. Back when I was at OU practically everyone would get fake ID's from a place called CopyCats in Dallas every OU/TX. Just pick the state you'd like to be from from and get 2 ID's. I got one confiscated and the other worked for me all the way up until 21. Proud Colorado native here ;)

Got mine at CopyCats in Dallas! Memories.....

Got mine at CopyCats in Dallas! Memories.....

Was just curious so I googled them and they are still open. Lol. I'm not sure how!

No doubt. Back when I was at OU practically everyone would get fake ID's from a place called CopyCats in Dallas every OU/TX. Just pick the state you'd like to be from from and get 2 ID's. I got one confiscated and the other worked for me all the way up until 21. Proud Colorado native here ;)

Choosing Colorado was clever choice because if memory serves, they were one of the very last states to increase the drinking age to 21.

Choosing Colorado was clever choice because if memory serves, they were one of the very last states to increase the drinking age to 21.

the last was Louisiana in the 90's

I noticed today they have already taken the sign down.

It will be interesting to watch the criminal and civil fallout from all this.

I go to Fassler Hall quite a bit, usually for lunch and a beer or later in the afternoon, we've had a local running club buy out the restaurant for an early Sunday brunch several times, never a problem. Except ... There were a few times that I was there, later in the evening and dressed casually, maybe a polo and khakis and the vibe I got was not a good one, kinda' like walking into a drunken frat house party, one where I wasn't invited. Really strange, I got the strong feeling that I was being sized up for a fight. I really enjoy Fassler Hall, just not after 9pm.

i used to live close by and this matches my Fassler experience as well

we used to go a lot during the day and friday/saturday afternoons .... but it was not a place i wanted to be on thursday/Friday/Saturday night after about 8pm

I go to Fassler Hall quite a bit, usually for lunch and a beer or later in the afternoon, we've had a local running club buy out the restaurant for an early Sunday brunch several times, never a problem. Except ... There were a few times that I was there, later in the evening and dressed casually, maybe a polo and khakis and the vibe I got was not a good one, kinda' like walking into a drunken frat house party, one where I wasn't invited. Really strange, I got the strong feeling that I was being sized up for a fight. I really enjoy Fassler Hall, just not after 9pm.

I was at Fassler a few years ago when a fight broke out right next to me in the bathroom. A guy threw his beer at the guy next to me at the urinal, that guy then turned around to try to defend himself, then the guy that started it broke his empty beer glass on the other guy's face and took off running out the door. The broken glass cut the guy's face pretty bad. If i remember right, someone caught part of it on video and it ended up on the local news. Not sure if they every caught the guy though.

I was at Fassler a few years ago when a fight broke out right next to me in the bathroom. A guy threw his beer at the guy next to me at the urinal, that guy then turned around to try to defend himself, then the guy that started it broke his empty beer glass on the other guy's face and took off running out the door. The broken glass cut the guy's face pretty bad. If i remember right, someone caught part of it on video and it ended up on the local news. Not sure if they every caught the guy though.

I feel like you are talking about this and it was 8 years ago.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/24/arrest-warrant-issued-for-man-in-downtown-bar-fight/60758107007/

I feel like you are talking about this and it was 8 years ago.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/24/arrest-warrant-issued-for-man-in-downtown-bar-fight/60758107007/

Yep, that was definitely it. Can’t believe it was 8 years ago. In my mind I was thinking 4 or 5 years.