As the historic Fred Jones plant is being remodeled into a arty 21c Museum Hotel (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=21c+Museum+Hotel), plans have been revealed for the first phase of development that will ultimately surround it.



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Hall Capital LLC of Oklahoma City, a partner with 21c and owner of much of the adjacent property, has submitted plans showing details for a long-rumored restaurant and live music venue.



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As OKCTalk first reported in Novembe (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=Hall+Capital)r, ambitious plans are in the works for 5 key blocks surrounding the 21c which would completely transform a previously blighted and largely vacant area on the western edge of downtown.

The property owners have also submitted an application to demolish the metal buildings to the south of the hotel and west of the this new project.

The restaurant and music venue at 901 W. Sheridan would involve renovating two historic brick structures on the northwest corner of Sheridan and Fred Jones. In the eastern two-story building, the entire space would be opened with a large stage at the north end and bars and seating on the south end on two levels. The western building would be connected and feature a semi-outdoor bar and eating area.


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As renovations of the 21c continue, there are also evolving plans by Hall Capital to develop five blocks into a mix of housing, parking structures and retail uses.

Plans for the restaurant and music venue will be considered by the Downtown Design Review Committee on 6/18/15.


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That looks great. Very well done.

I'm assuming the those are windows on the top of the western most building? If so, I would be nervous of them getting broken by hail in the spring.

Believe that western building will just be open -- no windows above.

Ah, I see. It was kinda hard to tell in the renderings.

Great news! This kind of thing is really needed for 21C to realize its full potential (and obviously Hall knew that as well or they wouldn't be doing it).

Also this must make the Flashback Arcade people sleep a little easier. Their move to west Film Row looks less and less risky by the month.

Also this must make the Flashback Arcade people sleep a little easier. Their move to west Film Row looks less and less risky by the month.

Absolutely.

I'm going by FlashBack this weekend to take some photos, because they are getting close.

This whole area is going to start blowing up very quickly.


If you notice in this one image, it hints pretty strongly about the other development that will be happening all around this site:

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Really like how music venues are starting to pop up with all these new developments. Awesome to see the city investing in music and artistry as a capital asset instead of just a cheap gimmick.

Yes, regarding live music we now have the substantially improved Bricktown Events Center, Criterion Concert Hall under construction, this place and the Tower Theater that will likely have a live music component as well.

Live music is getting ready to blow up just like restaurants and bars seemed to do, suddenly, in just the last year.

Very cool and appears to be pretty well thought out. I like the open air concept with the exposed steel trusses.

March 17 2014

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You can't just take away a roof diaphragm from an existing structure like that. Guessing that they haven't fully ran that concept by the structural engineer. The retrofits will be many and costly to keep the exterior walls from falling over and securing the rest of the existing roof from the uplift forces it now has an an open structure. Good luck.

You can't just take away a roof diaphragm from an existing structure like that. Guessing that they haven't fully ran that concept by the structural engineer. The retrofits will be many and costly to keep the exterior walls from falling over and securing the rest of the existing roof from the uplift forces it now has an an open structure. Good luck.

Can you elaborate? It looks from the plans that they are only removing the "skin" of the roof and are leaving the "skeleton" (i.e. structural supports) in-place. How will this result in decreased stability? I'm genuinely curious.

Has there been any discussion of expected capacity?

I like the look of it. I still think Scott Booker is involved here, probably handling the booking, etc. He can only bring in smaller bands with UCO@ACM due to it's small size. But he has enough clout to bring in bigger acts to a place like this.

I like the look of it. I still think Scott Booker is involved here, probably handling the booking, etc. He can only bring in smaller bands with UCO@ACM due to it's small size. But he has enough clout to bring in bigger acts to a place like this.

Yes, I had heard ACM@UCO was involved in this project some time ago.

Really like the look of it.

Will be interesting to see what happens with OKC's life music scene once this, the Criterion, and the Tower Theater are up and running.

You can't just take away a roof diaphragm from an existing structure like that. Guessing that they haven't fully ran that concept by the structural engineer. The retrofits will be many and costly to keep the exterior walls from falling over and securing the rest of the existing roof from the uplift forces it now has an an open structure. Good luck.

This is (part of) the group that restored the Marion…

You can't just take away a roof diaphragm from an existing structure like that. Guessing that they haven't fully ran that concept by the structural engineer. The retrofits will be many and costly to keep the exterior walls from falling over and securing the rest of the existing roof from the uplift forces it now has an an open structure. Good luck.

You are correct. I would imagine some additional bracing / bridging might be added to help keep the trusses upright. In the rendering below it shows some steel open web joists spanning between the trusses so there may not be any more bracing required.

If you look closely, you'll see they're planning to use shipping containers for the booths on the west end of the outdoor space:

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Can you elaborate? It looks from the plans that they are only removing the "skin" of the roof and are leaving the "skeleton" (i.e. structural supports) in-place. How will this result in decreased stability? I'm genuinely curious.

I will try to keep it simple (I hope). The roof deck, or "skin" acts as a line of structural support for the exterior walls as wind hits them, the load travels like a beam to the foundation support and to the roof support (like a bridge). Then typically the roof diaphragm distributes that load, in the same analogy as the bridge/like a beam turned horizontally, to the shearwalls at the ends of the structures. In the case of this bldg before roof removal, the winds blowing from West would hit the face of the building, then distribute into the diaphragm, which would deliver the load to shearwalls on the N and S ends of the building.

By taking away the diaphragm, the walls are now cantilevered off the foundations, like a fence, as they have lost their support line at the top of the wall. The original construction of the building was likely as such that the walls and foundations relied on this support, therefore retrofit is likely needed to ensure they do not rotate and fail under high wind loads.

The trusses remaining could be used as strut lines to push the load back to the adjacent structure, but the issue is that they are likely just originally designed for the gravity loads they were originally supporting at the roof level and the existing walls would have to be proven to span horizontally between truss connection points. The truth about the joist and truss girders shown as remaining is that they relied on that removed "skin" to brace their compression top chord. Slender steel elements want to buckle out of plain when they do not have sufficient lateral bracing. Sure the gravity load is much less, but they would still have to be checked to make sure there is enough brace points that they don't buckle under the reduce load demands.

It's late and I am rambling, I hope some of it made sense. This stuff is also easier to communicate when you can drawings diagrams as aids....

All in all the proposed opening isn't impossible, but you are likely throwing a lot of money into purely structural retrofits to make it meet all current code requirements.

All in all the proposed opening isn't impossible, but you are likely throwing a lot of money into purely structural retrofits to make it meet all current code requirements.

It's quite possible that is what they intend. I will give it the benefit of the doubt that they will know what they are doing here.

Has there been any discussion of expected capacity?

The Oklahoman said 1,550.

^^^^^^
Thanks.

The size seems to slot in nicely between the smaller places and the two medium-sized venues (Bricktown Events Center and the Criterion).

It's amazing how this is all coming together at once.

Of course, it's all part of hard work by many for years, it's just that it's all culminating around the same time, which is probably no coincidence.

Is there any information about what kind of restaurant is going in here? That will probably have a large effect on what kind of music venue this becomes.

I could see it being something similar to Billy Bob's in Ft. Worth.

http://billybobstexas.com/files/2012/03/Honky_Tonk_Kitchen_Menu_Website_011515.pdf

I could see it being something similar to Billy Bob's in Ft. Worth.

http://billybobstexas.com/files/2012/03/Honky_Tonk_Kitchen_Menu_Website_011515.pdf

No offense but I hope that this place doesn't have such a narrow concept. A place like Billy Bob's would pretty much mean that only country/folk/maybe rock would be welcomed at this place. That would exclude a ton of amazing artists here that don't fall into those categories. We already have plenty of places here like that.

However if you mean that it's a restaurant that puts a major emphasis on the music, then yes I agree that would be great.

House of Blues would probably be a good comparison as well.

No offense but I hope that this place doesn't have such a narrow concept. A place like Billy Bob's would pretty much mean that only country/folk/maybe rock would be welcomed at this place. That would exclude a ton of amazing artists here that don't fall into those categories. We already have plenty of places here like that.

However if you mean that it's a restaurant that puts a major emphasis on the music, then yes I agree that would be great.

I was just talking about the food. I agree, it shouldn't have a country emphasis... we already have plenty of that. But if it is a restauarnt with a heavy emphasis on music (which I think it will be), I think that it will do very well and be a great push forward for Film Row.

After a long absence, I thought I would revisit OkcTalk and see if polemics (as I perceived it) have been ramped down, that being the main reason for my extended absence. I've not reached a conclusion about that yet and have just started browsing, this thread being my first read on this visit. I must say that the detail I have read, above, far exceeds anything I've read elsewhere, so I give props to you at OkcTalk for publishing the detail that I did not see anywhere else.

This sounds like a very cool project, and I hope that it gets done and works.

Great to see you, Doug! Hopefully you feel like sticking around; your voice is missed.

What Urbanized said!

Also…that Taco Bell is going to get LIT UP!!!!

House of Blues would probably be a good comparison as well.

I never realized how freaking big HoB is though. The one in Houston is massive, tons of separate bars and spaces all throughout.

House of Blues would probably be a good comparison as well.

There menu is definitely nicer than Billy Bob's and I could see that being a better fit.

House Of Blues (http://www.houseofblues.com/dallas/crossroads)

West downtown Oklahoma City development details emerge | News OK (http://newsok.com/west-downtown-oklahoma-city-development-details-emerge/article/5425280)

Very impressive.

"Higher & better use" if I ever saw it.

West downtown Oklahoma City development details emerge | News OK (http://newsok.com/west-downtown-oklahoma-city-development-details-emerge/article/5425280)

Very impressive.

Just makes me laugh, I caught a bit of grief (from people that shall remain nameless) on public forums regarding our new location because it didn't have the "foot traffic" or "visibility" that the Uptown 23rd street location had. Well that seems to be changing quickly…

Goes back to one of my favorite quotes... "When You Write the Story of Your Life, Don't Let Anyone Else Hold the Pen". Film Row is growing into something special and we are excited for what the future holds.

Film Row has so many ingredients already in place for a great urban district. It has great bones and building stock and some of the best placemaking in the city. It just needed a catalyst to really kick things off and now it appears like there will be several.

Just makes me laugh, I caught a bit of grief (from people that shall remain nameless) on public forums regarding our new location because it didn't have the "foot traffic" or "visibility" that the Uptown 23rd street location had. Well that seems to be changing quickly…

Goes back to one of my favorite quotes... "When You Write the Story of Your Life, Don't Let Anyone Else Hold the Pen". Film Row is growing into something special and we are excited for what the future holds.

Thanks for being a pioneer, I think you made a fantastic choice.

The incorporation of the old facades is what will set this apart from so many other developments downtown.

At least one Facebook commenter:


Bums and homeless all over that neighborhood. Bad BAD place to try to revitalize. Bad business decision, bad planning, and I would NOT do it.

Glad developers don't listen to Facebook opinion.

At least one Facebook commenter:



Glad developers don't listen to Facebook opinion.

Some people just don't see that change is good..I love this city and revitalizing efforts the people here care about where they live that is a good sign for growth. I was raised here moved away with my parents when I was a young kid 30 years ago. I always liked OKC I know people I grew up with 30 year ago that still live in OKC and kept in touch with them through those years put the place down for many years they now like the city and say how much it has done a complete 180 in 20 years. They are proud of where they live and I am glad I moved back to Oklahoma. Just think This is just the beginning of great things to come to the Metro. I'm glad I'm here to experience this new renaissance.

Some people just don't see that change is good..I love this city and revitalizing efforts the people here care about where they live that is a good sign for growth. I was raised here moved away with my parents when I was a young kid 30 years ago. I always liked OKC I know people I grew up with 30 year ago that still live in OKC and kept in touch with them through those years put the place down for many years they now like the city and say how much it has done a complete 180 in 20 years. They are proud of where they live and I am glad I moved back to Oklahoma. Just think This is just the beginning of great things to come to the Metro. I'm glad I'm here to experience this new renaissance.

OKC is quickly changing for the better. Good to see people acknowledging that progress although challenges remain

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Glad developers don't listen to Facebook opinion.

Lol. What a douche.

There are guys like that everywhere. Some people think that being constantly negative makes them smarter than other people.

At least one Facebook commenter:

Bums and homeless all over that neighborhood. Bad BAD place to try to revitalize. Bad business decision, bad planning, and I would NOT do it.

That's truly breathtaking. Especially to be framed in terms of "business decisions," which are usually at least moderately informed lol.

OKC will have made it in terms of self-esteem when an army of similarly shocked locals jump on people like that... (not saying that didn't happen)

Every community HAS to self-police.

Pete, I'm sure you are already, but can you find a way to get some renderings up. I know we don't want to steal the Oklahoman's, but this thread deserves more discussion & it won't get it until people don't have to click a link to see what is going to be built.

Back to the current discussion. When I saw these plans the first thought I had was "nice, this will actually push some of the bad apples out of the area" not that all homeless people are bad apples but on that side of town in this area I have had some violent encounters with the homeless population. Not actual physically, but there have for sure been verbal threats. Deciding on whether to build something or not to build something in an emerging but not yet established area because of this "problem" would be a total idiotic move. Glad the developers aren't as short sighted.

I've had more than a few late nights on this end of Film Row as we work to get FlashBack opened up and I can honestly say that I've yet to encounter any problems with any of the homeless individuals in this area. First of, it's my understanding that anyone staying the night at the City Rescue Mission has to be in by 9pm. As for those not staying inside, they typically find some spots away from the main streets to camp out. There's a huge transformation taking place at this end of Film Row and it will completely change the landscape of the western end of downtown, which will in turn change the dynamics of the people in this area. I've followed the development of this district from the start of the streets renovations and as the development has pushed west, so have the homeless individuals that roam the area. For someone to make a business decision based of something like the amount of homeless people in a specific area, to me shows they have no clue what they are talking about.

On a side note, I think sometimes as a society we look at someone less fortunate or homeless and instantly think they are bad people or the area they are in is a bad part of town. A lot of the people that I've encountered seem to have fallen on bad luck/bad times and are trying to keep fighting to make a living for themselves. I've seen a number of families that live in the Rescue Mission, kids that look like they are in Middle School whose mom or dad are trying their hardest to provide for them. Unless you've been in that situation or know someone that's been there, you can't fully understand what it's like and what they go through. For me, it's a constant reminder of how blessed I am at this point in my life that I can even provide a roof for my family. It's also a reminder of how quickly it can all be taken away.

^^^ Amen ^^^

I've had more than a few late nights on this end of Film Row as we work to get FlashBack opened up and I can honestly say that I've yet to encounter any problems with any of the homeless individuals in this area. First of, it's my understanding that anyone staying the night at the City Rescue Mission has to be in by 9pm. As for those not staying inside, they typically find some spots away from the main streets to camp out. There's a huge transformation taking place at this end of Film Row and it will completely change the landscape of the western end of downtown, which will in turn change the dynamics of the people in this area. I've followed the development of this district from the start of the streets renovations and as the development has pushed west, so have the homeless individuals that roam the area. For someone to make a business decision based of something like the amount of homeless people in a specific area, to me shows they have no clue what they are talking about.

On a side note, I think sometimes as a society we look at someone less fortunate or homeless and instantly think they are bad people or the area they are in is a bad part of town. A lot of the people that I've encountered seem to have fallen on bad luck/bad times and are trying to keep fighting to make a living for themselves. I've seen a number of families that live in the Rescue Mission, kids that look like they are in Middle School whose mom or dad are trying their hardest to provide for them. Unless you've been in that situation or know someone that's been there, you can't fully understand what it's like and what they go through. For me, it's a constant reminder of how blessed I am at this point in my life that I can even provide a roof for my family. It's also a reminder of how quickly it can all be taken away.

I've seen the "Pursuit of Happyness", does that count?

Bunch of new renderings:



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More on the music venue... Seems good. ;)

Operators reveal plans for new Film Row restaurant and music venue in Oklahoma City | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/operators-reveal-plans-for-new-film-row-restaurant-and-music-venue-in-oklahoma-city/article/5428079)

"This is Camelot"

That's pretty damn cool.

We're super lucky to have Fred Hall. Between him and Gary Brooks, we should see some really cool, local projects over the next 10 years. I hope they can get some out-of-market money to help them out as well.

Love this city!

Oklahoma City Music, Dining and Real Estate Leaders Partner to Bring Restaurant, Bar, Music Venue to West Downtown


OKLAHOMA CITY (June 17, 2015) — Nationally-recognized Oklahoma City musician Graham Colton and local restaurateur Brian Bogert today announced plans to join forces with Hall Capital to preserve and convert the two historic warehouses at 901 West Sheridan into a unique restaurant, bar and music venue where contemporary dining and live musical entertainment will intersect.

The space will feature a nearly year-round 8,000-square-foot outdoor patio space and bring a transcendent dining and live music concept to the expanding and emerging west side of downtown Oklahoma City contiguous to the popular Film Row District. The new space will be located directly south of the venerable Fred Jones Manufacturing Building, which is currently undergoing an extensive rebirth as a 21c Museum Hotel.

“This project will be another place-making opportunity around 21c Museum Hotel and the surrounding mixed-use project,” said Fred Hall, chairman and CEO of Hall Capital. “We have always liked these two warehouse buildings, but we never found the perfect fit for them until now. I believe the best days are ahead for the west side of downtown Oklahoma City.”

Accomplished local restaurateur and Oklahoma City native Bogert, predicts the space will become a favorite destination for great food, craft beer, cocktails and live music performances. “Graham, the Hall brothers and I have dreamed for years of creating a true gathering place in our hometown where artists and friends converge. We wanted a year-round destination that would draw in everyone, narrowing the focus to three elements: Kitchen, patio and song. These two warehouse buildings ignited our imaginations the moment we saw them. We are so glad the Hall family kept these buildings and didn’t sell them when they were approached many times in the past. We are thrilled to preserve these buildings and contribute to bringing the west side of downtown back to life by re-purposing this site into something unrivaled in Oklahoma City.”


-Kitchen-

Bogert and Colton understand the dining element of this project will be a driving force in its success. They recruited a partner, Paris-trained chef Brittany Sanger, an Oklahoma City native and current chef de partie for Liquid Art House, an upscale and experiential restaurant and art gallery in Boston. Sanger, who trained at Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School in Paris, will return to her roots to run the kitchen and build a dynamic menu. The menu will include both culinary twists and late night finger food, showcasing the diverse nature of the space. The kitchen is designed to be visible from the street, which will allow chefs to be a part of the performing arts.

Bogert, who owns Seven47 in Norman along with Texadelphia and Fuzzy’s Taco Shops in Oklahoma City, will focus his energy on the restaurant’s beverage offerings. He will apply his training from the esteemed Beverage Alcohol Resource in New York City to build a robust handcrafted cocktail menu featuring flavorful spirits and craft beer for patrons to enjoy.

-Patio-

Bogert added, “Demand in Oklahoma City is mounting for quality outdoor patio space that is comfortable throughout the year, so our primary structural focus is to meet that need. The patio layout will provide coverage from the elements, particularly the Oklahoma wind. We also will install special heating and cooling systems that will make the patio desirable almost year round. This isn’t just a music venue or a restaurant/bar. It’s all of that and more.”

-Song-

“Aspiring local artists want a quality venue – a gathering place— where their music can gain traction and where established national artists will frequent, attracting Oklahoma City’s sophisticated music enthusiasts,” said Oklahoma City resident and national recording artist Colton. “This project will elevate Oklahoma City on the regional, and I believe, even the national music scene drawing the attention of top-notch performers, producers and the best in local talent.”

The space will accommodate a crowd of up to 1,500 people for larger shows, a size Colton said is needed in this market. It will also have the ability to scale down for smaller shows while maintaining the entertainment value. The partnership team expects to host dozens of artists, catering to a wide variety of genres. Colton, who has collaborated or performed with artists including Vanessa Carlton, Sheryl Crow, Maroon 5, John Mayer and Wayne Coyne of the Flaming Lips, will play an active role in promoting the venue to artists nationally as well as within Oklahoma City’s local music community.

“Graham and Brian are extraordinarily creative and inspirational entrepreneurs who also love their hometown – Oklahoma City. We know the cost to preserve the warehouses is more expensive than starting anew, but we all loved the vibe and character this concept would create in these buildings. At the end of the day, it is the kind of venture only local adventurers with vivid dreams could pursue with such enthusiasm,” Hall said.

Awesome!

VENUE MENU | News OK (http://newsok.com/venue-menu/article/5428079)

This is the very interesting video accompanying Steve's article with comments by Brian Bogert, Graham Colton, and Fred Hall.

NewsOK Videos | Operators reveal plans for new Film Row restaurant and music venue in Oklahoma City (http://newsok.com/operators-reveal-plans-for-new-film-row-restaurant-and-music-venue-in-oklahoma-city/multimedia/video/4300864389001)

Already posted.upthread lj...

Already posted.upthread lj...

I found the articles posted but didn't see the video anywhere. Believe me I looked because I know how much we hate have anything posted twice. :D

If it was posted previously, I greatly apologize. :redface: