I wonder if Norman will be getting the new 7-11's.There are a few in Norman, no?

There are a few in Norman, no?

My curiousisty led me to find out 7/11 owns land at the corner of memorial and Rockwell. They bought the lot on the southeast corner of this intersection in 2013. So I guess they have a store planned for this location once this area starts developing.

I'm excited to know this as this is just down the road from me

I can't wait for memorial and rockwell. As much as I'd prefer OnCue now, I can't argue with the proximity.

I can't wait for memorial and rockwell. As much as I'd prefer OnCue now, I can't argue with the proximity.

I bet they will start this location when the development on the north side starts or is close to completion.

The new store on 122nd and Pennsylvania has gone downhill. The shelves are dirty and not stocked and the cashiers are rude. It seems not a lot has changed. When the store was located across the street, they had the same problems. Oncue will continue to get my business.

The new store on 122nd and Pennsylvania has gone downhill. The shelves are dirty and not stocked and the cashiers are rude. It seems not a lot has changed. When the store was located across the street, they had the same problems. Oncue will continue to get my business.

Same with the one at NE 36th and Santa Fe. But then again I'm not surprised considering the parts of town they're in. The OnCue at 23rd and Santa Fe is always in tip-top condition. Nearly every time I've stopped in there an employee is cleaning something.

Very different culture in the two organizations.

Suddenly, 7-11 wants to act like they care about their stores and customers but building a few new locations can't change decades of neglect... And of course, it all comes from the top and that hasn't changed at all.

From the day OnCue opened they have done things completely differently. Now, I'll go out of my way to give my money to OnCue and don't think I've spent a dime in a 7-11 since I moved back.

Same with the one at NE 36th and Santa Fe. But then again I'm not surprised considering the parts of town they're in. The OnCue at 23rd and Santa Fe is always in tip-top condition. Nearly every time I've stopped in there an employee is cleaning something.
I've wondered about this. The new, big stores seem to go downhill fast. SW 29th & Meridian, which is an OLD store. Has someone almost constantly cleaning. Even to the point of not checking out customers as fast as they should.

Very different culture in the two organizations.

Suddenly, 7-11 wants to act like they care about their stores and customers but building a few new locations can't change decades of neglect... And of course, it all comes from the top and that hasn't changed at all.

From the day OnCue opened they have done things completely differently. Now, I'll go out of my way to give my money to OnCue and don't think I've spent a dime in a 7-11 since I moved back.

Exactly.

You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of s***!

Same with the one at NE 36th and Santa Fe. But then again I'm not surprised considering the parts of town they're in. The OnCue at 23rd and Santa Fe is always in tip-top condition. Nearly every time I've stopped in there an employee is cleaning something.

Interesting. I'm in that 7-11 literally every day, and have never seen what you are speaking of. The staff is courteous and always cleaning/stocking/straightening shelves. The OnCue on Santa Fe is also nice, but the amount of times I've been approached for money and the disgusting state of their bathrooms turned me off long ago.

Not sure if it's confirmation bias, since many on here love OnCue, but I'd be interested to hear more about how the brand new store at 36th has "gone downhill."

Maybe I'm the only one who likes going to 7-11. Their prices are better, they seem to pay their employees better, and the employees at the two 7-11s I frequent (46th and N. Western & 36th and Santa Fe) are always friendly and will even interact with my children. Most of the stores are a bit dated, but when I am getting gas and a can of pop I could care less. OnCue has nice stores, but I just don't think they make that much difference. Best part of OnCue is getting gs without getting wet.

Interesting. I'm in that 7-11 literally every day, and have never seen what you are speaking of. The staff is courteous and always cleaning/stocking/straightening shelves. The OnCue on Santa Fe is also nice, but the amount of times I've been approached for money and the disgusting state of their bathrooms turned me off long ago.

Not sure if it's confirmation bias, since many on here love OnCue, but I'd be interested to hear more about how the brand new store at 36th has "gone downhill."

Okay, GOON. I've been in about three times in the last month with my kids to get Slurpees and each time I've gone in there I've walked on sticky-a$$ floors in the area. Straw trash was everywhere and even one time we observed a customer knocking her Slurpee overflow onto the counter, laughing with her friends, and walking off and leaving it. I didn't say anything about the customer service. There ya go! First hand experience.

Okay, GOON. I've been in about three times in the last month with my kids to get Slurpees and each time I've gone in there I've walked on sticky-a$$ floors in the area. Straw trash was everywhere and even one time we observed a customer knocking her Slurpee overflow onto the counter, laughing with her friends, and walking off and leaving it. I didn't say anything about the customer service. There ya go! First hand experience.

Thanks for the reply. I've yet to see a mess, but probably because the 1-2 times i'm in there each day, there is at least 1 employee with a rag wiping the area you speak of. But then, we must have gone at different times.

Conversely, I've had the pleasure of walking into the Santa Fe OnCue bathroom that had standing urine in all the stalls, and a worker who seemed more interested in what potency of marijuana he could buy from his dealer (at least according to the call I heard him on) than doing something about it.

Like I said, personal experience drives preference. I haven't seen what you saw, and visa versa. Just don't think it's fair to characterize a store that's literally been open 3 months as "going downhill" because your kids stepped in someone else's slurpee mess. I had several negative experiences at the Santa Fe Oncue, but wouldn't go as far as to say it's gone downhill...it just won't receive any more of my business.

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OnCue's business model of having wide open bathrooms works against them at that 23rd & Santa Fe location.

Lots of vagrants hang around there, no doubt due to this reason. Still, I've been in there several times and never had a problem with the restrooms, nor have I at any of their locations.

The 46th and Western 7-11 I wish had a bit more options, but being a 2-3 minute walk from my house I can say that as frequently as I use it, it has never really treated me poorly. And they're almost always fully stocked, but that may be because it's a smaller store or the items I try and get are generally pretty standard.

The new 7-11 at 4th and Telephone in Moore is representative of their response to OnCue and while it's very nice, I still think it falls about a furlong short of where OnCue has moved the bar. Nicer selection, nicer format, but OnCue is still much preferred in my book.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5515969


William C. “Bill” Brown, founder of Oklahoma City-based 7-Eleven Stores, died Thursday in his home. He was 89.

I don't know how much he was currently contributing to the stores but it will be worth watching to see if anything changes in how they continue.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5515969



I don't know how much he was currently contributing to the stores but it will be worth watching to see if anything changes in how they continue.

QuikTrip to OKC? A man can dream, ha!

QuikTrip to OKC? A man can dream, ha!I guess that would be nice. I see literally no benefit of QT over OnCue, but what would be cool if we actually got the real 7 Eleven's as they would likely locate in Deep Deuce and other urban areas the OKC ones tend to stay out of or build car oriented stores in.

QuikTrip to OKC? A man can dream, ha!

My understanding is will never happen as long as the Brown family is still in the business. QT made a very nice statement.

His son Jim has been president and CEO for some time.

I doubt much will change.

And of course, it all comes from the top and that hasn't changed at all.
Pretty much this, the company has struggled since Mr. Brown retired.
Issues that weren't obvious are beginning to bear their fruit.
Kindness in giving friends & relatives a chance has turned into nepotism with incompetent supervisors, clerks and office help.
The stresses from competition and funds spent to keep up seem to be to showing up in the number of employees in a store, hours worked by those on salary as well as compensation (bonuses) to management.
Basically they seem to be running their good managers & supervisors off and replacing them with high school kids.
My understanding is they are relying on an out of state consulting group that may not have a full grasp of the picture.

Last week I went to the 7-Eleven at 23rd and MacArthur to grab a bag of ice. There were two operating registers, so I got in one of the lines with just one customer ahead of me. After the cashier checked the man out ahead of me, she looked right at me and left the register area. I looked back and saw her grab a mop and start mopping, while glaring at me as I stood in a line with no cashier, and a line forming behind me. It was a very deliberate "f*ck you", for no apparent reason. It's where I usually filled up my vehicles regularly, but that situation has compelled me to become a full time On Cue customer.

Federal agency sues Oklahoma 7-Eleven stores over policies on disabled workers
http://newsok.com/article/5520915

Just took out a series of building permits to construct a new store on the SE corner of Rockwell and Memorial / Turnpike.

I'm sure it will be one of their new-style concepts.

Just took out a series of building permits to construct a new store on the SE corner of Rockwell and Memorial / Turnpike.

I'm sure it will be one of their new-style concepts.

Great! I had saw and posted that they owned the land but didn't know when they planned to actually build there. This will have them open before the deer crest marketplace gets going. They will be ready for the increased traffic in the area.

This will easily get me back into 7-11 from OnCue. Not a lot of gas stations, much less good ones, in that area.

At least 7-11 is trying, but OnCue is still eating their lunch.

Ugh. Still nothing at 23rd and Council. Maybe OnCue will buy the land there and put something in.

SW 29th & Council:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/711050717.jpg

Just took out a series of building permits to construct a new store on the SE corner of Rockwell and Memorial / Turnpike.

I'm sure it will be one of their new-style concepts.

Does it usually take 6 months to get a building permit finalized. This one is still in review and nothing is happening yet.

Does it usually take 6 months to get a building permit finalized. This one is still in review and nothing is happening yet.

It's not unusual.

What typically happens is the application is made, then the city comes back to them with a ton of requests for more info and/or changes. Then, the ball is back in the court of the applicant and on it goes until everything is finalized.

Things usually drag out when the applicant isn't in any hurry.

They are moving some utilities around near the intersection of Memorial & Rockwell. May be in preparation for this store and turning lanes.

It's not unusual.

What typically happens is the application is made, then the city comes back to them with a ton of requests for more info and/or changes. Then, the ball is back in the court of the applicant and on it goes until everything is finalized.

Things usually drag out when the applicant isn't in any hurry.

Believe me, they can drag out when the applicant IS in a hurry. :)

I think it's almost a challenge for the city, particularly when an applicant thinks they've thought of everything, to find something wrong.

One time I tried to purchase condoms at the local 7 11, but the employees told me they don't sell them due to some ownership religious beliefs.

One time I tried to purchase condoms at the local 7 11, but the employees told me they don't sell them due to some ownership religious beliefs.

Sadly, it's true. It's also only the 7/11's in OK(C?). They also don't sell lottery tickets for that reason.

Sadly, it's true. It's also only the 7/11's in OK(C?). They also don't sell lottery tickets for that reason.

But cigarettes they have no problem with.

But cigarettes they have no problem with.

Let's not get TOO crazy here.

Actually, if you do some research, 7-11 doesn't sell lottery tickets because of the amount of cash they would have to have available to pay the winners of small amounts. The lottery regulations required a minimum (I don't remember the actual dollar amount) amount and it was more than they allowed there stores to keep in the register. Their policy had to do with robberies.
C. T.

That was my understanding, the ability to pay out prizes Was the deciding factor.

Actually, if you do some research, 7-11 doesn't sell lottery tickets because of the amount of cash they would have to have available to pay the winners of small amounts. The lottery regulations required a minimum (I don't remember the actual dollar amount) amount and it was more than they allowed there stores to keep in the register. Their policy had to do with robberies.
C. T.

That's what I remember reading when lottery came out. The cash on hand minimum was $600 at the time.

7-Eleven boots liquor store tenants

By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record January 10, 2018

OKLAHOMA CITY – Liquor store owners neighboring 7-Eleven convenience stores are searching for new locations.

The Oklahoma City-based 7-Eleven is not renewing the leases of the adjacent stores, liquor store owners said. The change comes as an overhaul of the state’s liquor laws is on the horizon.

On Oct. 1, convenience stores will be able to sell cold high-point beer and wine. Those retailers can only sell cold low-point beer now.

That makes the neighboring liquor store a competitor because the liquor stores will also be able to sell cold high-point beer. Liquor stores will also be able to sell non-alcohol items, such as soft drinks and cigarettes. However, those non-alcohol item sales cannot be more than 25 percent of the store’s total sales.

“At 7-Eleven Stores in Oklahoma, we regularly review our real estate portfolio to make decisions we feel best serve the long-term interests of our company and of our loyal customers,” 7-Eleven Stores President and CEO Jim Brown said in a statement emailed to The Journal Record.

Norman’s Discount Liquor owner Nick Mettry said he wasn’t surprised about the change in his lease with 7-Eleven. He opened his store in October 2008 and had always had it in the back of his mind that the laws would likely change.

“I’ve kind of been planning and have kept it in my back pocket,” he said. “I knew at some point there would be a big enough lobby and enough money that a big business would sway public opinion and change the law.”

His store was on E. Constitution in Norman. He’ll be moving across the street to 2627 S. Classen, Suite 112 and 116. He’ll have about 700 square feet more space than he has now. He expects to be in the new place in a few months.

He said it will eventually be a blessing in disguise. He gets to design his new store with a plan to bring in refrigerators. He won’t install them until this summer, though, in case something changes during the legislative session.

Also in Norman, Lam’s Liquor, previously next to the 7-Eleven on 12th Avenue NE, filed a change of location application to 12121 S. Western Avenue in Oklahoma City. But a web search showed the business was permanently closed, and no one answered the phone when the store was contacted.

In Moore, BJ’s Liquor, previously on SW 19th Street, is moving to 2007 S. Santa Fe Ave. Owner Khaja Sid said he has to be out by September. He said he will be in the new location by the end of January.

“My new place is a little bigger,” he said. “I feel sorry for people who cannot make the move. You don’t know what business will be like once you get to the new location.”

He said he tried to stay in the area where he already has a customer base. He’s expecting to drop his prices on beer and wine in order to stay competitive with 7-Eleven and other larger retailers, but he’ll have to increase his price on liquor.

He wasn’t too happy about the 25-percent cap on non-liquor sales. He said it doesn’t create an equal market.

Brings up something interesting - how is the "not more than 25% of non-liquor item sales" tracked? Will liquor stores be audited, will they put a daily/weekly/monthly cap on non-liquor items, or .....? I can just imagine someone going in and getting some alcohol, cups, mixers and then getting to the cash register and being told they can only buy the booze due to the 25% cap.

I understand the unequal market objection, but do people really go to liquor stores looking for gum and razors? I mean...it's a LIQUOR store. I can see things like soda (mix with the alcohol), and MAYBE the cigarettes (two vices in one transaction), but is this really that terrible a burden?

And if the percentage is based on $ and not items, it shouldn't be that hard to stay below that limit. Being prohibited from entering if you have kids with you will also help in keeping that percentage a bit lower I think.

Maybe this will get 7/11 to expand their stores to the new prototype faster now that they will have the space next door in many locations.

Brings up something interesting - how is the "not more than 25% of non-liquor item sales" tracked? Will liquor stores be audited, will they put a daily/weekly/monthly cap on non-liquor items, or .....? I can just imagine someone going in and getting some alcohol, cups, mixers and then getting to the cash register and being told they can only buy the booze due to the 25% cap.

It's such a dumb caveat. It makes no sense.

I understand the unequal market objection, but do people really go to liquor stores looking for gum and razors? I mean...it's a LIQUOR store. I can see things like soda (mix with the alcohol), and MAYBE the cigarettes (two vices in one transaction), but is this really that terrible a burden?

No but people going to liquor stores would use the option to put gas in their cars at the same time they are getting mixers, ice, smokes and the like. If they need to get gas and have to go to On Cue they will more than likely get all those other articles there at the same time. It is creating an unequal playing field.

No but people going to liquor stores would use the option to put gas in their cars at the same time they are getting mixers, ice, smokes and the like. If they need to get gas and have to go to On Cue they will more than likely get all those other articles there at the same time. It is creating an unequal playing field.

I dunno. I can only speak for myself here, but mixers wise, it highly depends on price for me. If the liquor store has ice, mixers, cups, snacks, etc, for the same price or only a very small additional markup vs a convenience store, I'm going to buy everything in one transaction at the liquor store. That's far, far more convenient for me even if I still need to go to OnCue for gas.

I wonder if the new laws will clear the way for places like Beverages & More?

I *loved* that chain when I was in California and they carried absolutely everything including craft beer, every type of liquor you could imagine, all types of wine and all the mixers and just about everything else you would need for entertaining... All at great prices.

I wonder if the new laws will clear the way for places like Beverages & More?

I *loved* that chain when I was in California and they carried absolutely everything including craft beer, every type of liquor you could imagine, all types of wine and all the mixers and just about everything else you would need for entertaining... All at great prices.

It's been a while since I read the new laws, but it seems like ownership is still going to be a bit sticky for liquor stores, and I seem to remember some of the law reading as if it would make a BevMo or the like very difficult to enter the market, as it is today. I'd love it, too, but I doubt it happens any time soon.

I seem to remember that with the liquor law changes, any person can own a maximum of two licenses (up from the current limit of 1). I think the changes would allow for an analogue of something like Total Beverage (https://www.totalbev.com/) (an awesome liquor store with two locations near my parents' place) in the Denver suburbs, but not much past that.

I wonder if the new laws will clear the way for places like Beverages & More?

I *loved* that chain when I was in California and they carried absolutely everything including craft beer, every type of liquor you could imagine, all types of wine and all the mixers and just about everything else you would need for entertaining... All at great prices.

Or like a Spec’s, out of Houston. That would be my go-to if they were able to enter this market.

Or like a Spec’s, out of Houston. That would be my go-to if they were able to enter this market.

Specs is incredible.

Specs is fantastic, but I would bet some of their locations (the one in north Austin I have frequented) would be closing in on that 25% cap.

I'm all for opening up these laws but come on, let's really open things up. Let the liquor stores open on Sundays and holidays (which we're getting a county by county vote on that, right?) let people under 21 into stores (it's ridiculous I can't take my 3 and 1 year old into the liquor store with me) and let them stay open past 9 pm.

Building permit application today to renovate the location at NW 23rd and Portland.

This is one of the buildings without an adjoining liquor store.

This comes after OnCue opened at NW 10th and Portland.

Building permit application today to renovate the location at NW 23rd and Portland.

This is one of the buildings without an adjoining liquor store.

This comes after OnCue opened at NW 10th and Portland.

That's Store #1 (for the OKC franchise anyway), if I remember correctly. Used to visit that location fairly frequently when I worked in the area... the refresh is sorely needed.

Yes, there's a plaque indicating as much.

Any news on what is going on here? I drive by everyday and it looks like they have added a door and are possibly dividing the store to make a new suite on the east end.

They are building out a beer cave and other remodeling to get ready for the new liquor laws.