The master plan looks incredible. Really seems to bring the entire zoo up to the standards of the newer exhibits. I'm pretty excited about the Biodiversity Building. I've always wished our zoo had some sort of indoor biosphere exhibit similar to Tulsa's rainforest or Omaha's desert. Though the latter is more than twice the expected size of this one -- 18,700 vs. 40,000 sq ft.

The master plan looks incredible. Really seems to bring the entire zoo up to the standards of the newer exhibits. I'm pretty excited about the Biodiversity Building. I've always wished our zoo had some sort of indoor biosphere exhibit similar to Tulsa's rainforest or Omaha's desert. Though the latter is more than twice the expected size of this one -- 18,700 vs. 40,000 sq ft.

If the biodiversity building comes to fruition, I think a big difference will come from variety. As you say, Tulsa has the rainforest building, and Omaha is known for the Desert Dome. I think OKC’s will be 1/2 rainforest, 1/2 desert. That along with adding a second building entirely devoted to birds makes that exhibit an exciting complement to the zoo’s other offerings.

A board member gave me a tour of the Cincinatti Zoo three years ago, pointing out sustainability efforts of which they were very proud, and which could be done here: 1) Solar panels cover a portion of the parking spaces and building rooftops; 2) They collect and reuse every drop of rain that falls on the property, storing it in underground cisterns, and eliminating runoff into surrounding neighborhoods; 3) Newer buildings have been constructed to LEED Platinum standards; 4) Animal waste is being converted to a soil additive for a local farm; and 5) More conventional waste is being composted or recycled. And this mindset carries over into habitat design and how they care for their animals.

I wish every parking lot and possible rooftop had solar panels covering it.

I think they should do like the KC and San Diego zoo have, a gondola style system to get to the farthest parts of the park and back. Plus a killer view.

They had a gondola ride for years.

I wish every parking lot and possible rooftop had solar panels covering it.

+1

I think they should do like the KC and San Diego zoo have, a gondola style system to get to the farthest parts of the park and back. Plus a killer view.

I was thinking the same, the zoo used to have an overhead tram system - they should bring that back, but this time have stops where people can get on/off at the far reaches of the park, and extend (from the earlier implementation) throughout the park and also perhaps to the other side of zoo lake if that gets developed.

I also like the idea of developing a boardwalk along the lake and having themed vendors where folks can take a break from the animals but the zoo/city can still gain revenue.

Finally, I think the train should be extended and better integrated, again, with more stops along the way. Have the train functional, along with the gondola/tram, so folks can participate but not have to walk. It'd be a huge draw IMO without becoming tacky, if you could chose to walk, take mobile shuttles or pedi-shuttles, ride the train, or take the gondola - either way, you still experience the entire zoo.

One more thing I'd like to see is extended zoo hours. 5pm just seems too early, maybe have certain days where the zoo is open late/later; like Sat open til 8pm during the summer. Maybe the zoo could better integrate with SMO somehow. A hotel or two is what's really missing from the area, imagine if the zoo were to create a zoo-themed hotel (stay overnight at the zoo). ..

A hotel or two is what's really missing from theare, imagine if the zoo were to create a zoo-themed hotel (stay overnight at the zoo). ..

I can’t see the zoo building a hotel, but they are currently building a small structure in Expedition Africa for overnight stays. The master plan also includes overnight suites near the bison as part of the Oklahoma Trails renovation and in Asia with the elephant expansion.

One more thing I'd like to see is extended zoo hours. 5pm just seems too early, maybe have certain days where the zoo is open late/later; like Sat open til 8pm during the summer. Maybe the zoo could better integrate with SMO somehow. A hotel or two is what's really missing from the area, imagine if the zoo were to create a zoo-themed hotel (stay overnight at the zoo). ..

Extending hours would be really great. I was in Singapore last year and they did a special night session at their zoo with a focus on nocturnal animals. It was one of the more neat things I've done at a zoo anywhere (and it was so popular that it was hard to get tickets).

I was thinking the same, the zoo used to have an overhead tram system - they should bring that back, but this time have stops where people can get on/off at the far reaches of the park, and extend (from the earlier implementation) throughout the park and also perhaps to the other side of zoo lake if that gets developed.

I also like the idea of developing a boardwalk along the lake and having themed vendors where folks can take a break from the animals but the zoo/city can still gain revenue.

Finally, I think the train should be extended and better integrated, again, with more stops along the way. Have the train functional, along with the gondola/tram, so folks can participate but not have to walk. It'd be a huge draw IMO without becoming tacky, if you could chose to walk, take mobile shuttles or pedi-shuttles, ride the train, or take the gondola - either way, you still experience the entire zoo.

One more thing I'd like to see is extended zoo hours. 5pm just seems too early, maybe have certain days where the zoo is open late/later; like Sat open til 8pm during the summer. Maybe the zoo could better integrate with SMO somehow. A hotel or two is what's really missing from the area, imagine if the zoo were to create a zoo-themed hotel (stay overnight at the zoo). ..

The train has actually been gone since construction started on the African exhibit. I did notice on the master plan that there were a couple of tram path reroutes planned so hopefully that will be a little bit more functional. They need more trams for thar to happen. It's somewhat functional now, the problem is there is no guarantee there will be room if you board the tram at the elephant pickup site since most people use it as a single attraction and not a mode of transportation. I wish it can be included in the price or lowere to a dollar or two.

Extending hours would be really great. I was in Singapore last year and they did a special night session at their zoo with a focus on nocturnal animals. It was one of the more neat things I've done at a zoo anywhere (and it was so popular that it was hard to get tickets).

I saw on Instagram last week that the OKC zoo is selling tickets for an overnight session. I think it is geared to children but you must be over 4 years old with a parent present to stay overnight. https://www.okczoo.org/private-overnights

Extending hours would be really great. I was in Singapore last year and they did a special night session at their zoo with a focus on nocturnal animals. It was one of the more neat things I've done at a zoo anywhere (and it was so popular that it was hard to get tickets).

the zoo also has sip and stroll ... that is 6-9 pm on 6 different nights in the summer .

It sounds like it's different than this overnight session, but I went on a tour of Expedition Africa while it was under construction and the zoo said as part of it they were building a "glamping" room for overnight stays in expedition Africa. Sounded like it was more for smaller groups/adults/etc. However, last I heard they were having issues (this part via secondary sources so may not be accurate) getting approval to host people there without it being classified as a hotel/etc. and having to comply with those rules. Would be a really cool experience so hopefully they can figure it out. But my imagination runs wild with countless liability concerns with the arrangement, so would not be surprised if it doesn't work out.

Went to the zoo this morning and absolutely loved it - we also went the week of Memorial Day. Today it was packed and even though i was only there 2 hours i probably walked 4 miles. Also the parking lot was filling up when i got there (9am) and when leaving people were driving around looking for empty spaces and even parking across the street at the racetrack.

Also can't emphasize enough how healthy it is to walk. Sure, some people cannot do this but if you are able to walk you should walk as much as possible.

As far back as I remember, when my kids were smaller, seems like the OKC Zoo was always under construction or expanding. I like the idea, but they need to take a break. Going to the zoo with half of it always under constructions makes it unpleasant for patrons. Its like as soon as they get done with one project, they start another. When will be able to enjoy the zoo with no interruptions?

The only thing under construction now is the new marine mammal habitat and it's off by itself in the NE corner of the zoo. So, this is a good time to go because nothing else major is happening.

The Expedition Africa construction is the only project I would consider "disruptive" as it did cut a big hole in the middle of the zoo. Nothing else never seemed that "bad" to me.

On the smaller projects shown in the master plan, a lot of that work can be done in the offseason.

The offseason is a great time to go to the zoo. I sometimes go on random 60 degree days (weekdays) in fall or winter and its like i have the entire place to myself - also the animals are typically pretty active.

The only thing under construction now is the new marine mammal habitat and it's off by itself in the NE corner of the zoo. So, this is a good time to go because nothing else major is happening.

This is a big deal, the sea lion shows were always a big draw to the zoo. Besides that and the elephant presentation, these two are the only live animal show attractions with them interacting with zookeepers besides the basic feedings.

The Expedition Africa construction is the only project I would consider "disruptive" as it did cut a big hole in the middle of the zoo. Nothing else never seemed that "bad" to me.

The Children's Zoo and Asia Sanctuary were pretty disruptive, but I am glad we have one of the top zoos in the nation. Just wish they would take a break for a few years, and let people just enjoy it.

I love our zoo and recently decided to see where it ranked nationally.

Any ranking is highly subjective of course but I couldn't find any that had the OKC Zoo in the Top 20. It is often left off lists that include 30 or more zoos in the U.S.

Doesn't make the zoo any less great, I just thought it was interesting.

I love our zoo and recently decided to see where it ranked nationally.

Any ranking is highly subjective of course but I couldn't find any that had the OKC Zoo in the Top 20. It is often left off lists that include 30 or more zoos in the U.S.

Doesn't make the zoo any less great, I just thought it was interesting.

I love our zoo, have had a membership for years, and go frequently. I think not being in the top 20-30 in the eyes of a lot of zoo nerds has to do with a lack of highly-themed, first-of-its-kind exhibits. The American Zoological Association has presented awards for outstanding exhibits since 1974, and OKC has never won one. See here: https://www.aza.org/exhibit-award

I’ve heard those in the zoo community refer to the OKC Zoo as “very well rounded” and “underrated gem.” The newer exhibits are high quality, but there are still a couple of points to shore up to be a top 20 zoo. The biggest is the desperate need for a new herpetarium, which the zoo’s director has stated is likely to be the first new master plan project to be built. I think it’s also worth remembering that rankings online today were probably made before anyone doing the ranking saw Expedition Africa. That area was a weak point until recently. Now it’s a real strength.

I'll second the ask for a people mover. Pushing a stroller from the front to the Elephants is quite a workout. It would be nice if there was some way to get around better besides the fancified golf cart tram. The overhead ride was nifty, but it was really just a ride and not really a good people mover. If we can't get the train back in a more "transportation" way than just as an attraction, then i guess those golf carts are it.

One benefit of the carts is that they don't require any construction. But they aren't really the people mover idea you think of when you think parks. We're not Disney World so the monorail is expensive and really not needed, but i think we could do better with a loop path around and some sort of signage on the things "next stop _____".

I The biggest is the desperate need for a new herpetarium, which the zoo’s director has stated is likely to be the first new master plan project to be built..

per the just released master plan that is 4th on the list ..

per the just released master plan that is 4th on the list ..

I know the slide you’re referencing, but the plan also states the project order is flexible. It sounds to me like they will start with the herpetarium.
Here’s Dr. Lawson’s quote from June 17:
“The first big project around this would be a new amphibian and reptile complex to replace what is still the oldest building on the grounds,” Lawson said. The habitat will have both indoor and outdoor capacity for species from around the world.
https://journalrecord.com/2024/06/okc-zoo-unveils-ambitious-10-year-master-plan-2/

The Herpetarium, Africa Plateau, and Heart of the zoo projects are the only ones they added construction phases on so that tells me they want to start these within the next couple of years.

Truthfully, the last Sanctuary Asian expansion was kind of a let down. It should be called Expedition food court. That should be more towards the center of the zoo. I know in the Master plan they have an Oklahoma Trails rework that includes building a new path that allows you to look at the Rhino exhibit and the back of the Oklahoma Trails. At least at that point, you can see everything without back tracking. The Red Pandas and Rhinos are the probably the least visited animals just due to their location.

The Herpetarium, Africa Plateau, and Heart of the zoo projects are the only ones they added construction phases on so that tells me they want to start these within the next couple of years.

Truthully, the last Sanctuary Asian expansion was kind of a let down. It should be called Expedition food court. That should be more towards the center of the zoo. I know in the Master plan they have an Oklahoma Trails rework that includes building a new path that allows you to look at the Rhino exhibit and the back of the Oklahoma Trails. At least at that point, you can see everything without back tracking. The Red Pandas and Rhinos are the probably the least visited animals just due to their location.

this is a 10 year plan all of it is not very far off ..

I'll second the ask for a people mover. Pushing a stroller from the front to the Elephants is quite a workout. It would be nice if there was some way to get around better besides the fancified golf cart tram. The overhead ride was nifty, but it was really just a ride and not really a good people mover. If we can't get the train back in a more "transportation" way than just as an attraction, then i guess those golf carts are it.

One benefit of the carts is that they don't require any construction. But they aren't really the people mover idea you think of when you think parks. We're not Disney World so the monorail is expensive and really not needed, but i think we could do better with a loop path around and some sort of signage on the things "next stop _____".

this was my exact thought, reboot the train and overhead gondola but with stops at key destinations.

Gondola could go from the Front entrance to Expedition Asia, to Elephants, to Africa, to Zoo lake, to OceanWorld (my title), etc - each with a stop where folks can get on/off. The train likewise should run throughout the zoo and have kitchy platforms for each stop, and each platofrm could have a through track for runs that are express or if there's no passengers to embark. In addition, we could still have the glorified golf trams that could go point-to-point and/or be reserved for families or groups who want to stay together. I also think pedal powered carts could be an option maybe not throughout the park but at least at parts (maybe along the zoo boardwalk).


Again, these transportation options to me would in itself be a destination and part of the OKC Zoo experience (much like having 'destination' specific food options), and would enable those with limited time (or those who like myself do not relish the idea of walking in 90+ degree heat with sun bearing down) to take in the zoo. Not to mention revenue generating options.

Speaking of potential revenue streams, when I was thinking hotel - I was visioning not just the camp-style outings we currently do, but an actual hotel maybe on the other size of zoo lake, where entrance could be from both the zoo and outside, but where folks could 'sleep' with the animals. I'd honestly build it on or next to the zoo amp once the other one gets built or along the zoo lake boardwalk.

I bet these would immediately increase OKC Zoo's internet-visible rankings.

Press release:

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OKC ZOO SETS NEW ANNUAL ATTENDANCE RECORD

Zoo’s national profile is elevated by large crowds and breakthrough conservation work in Oklahoma and around the world.



The Oklahoma City Zoo and Botanical Garden is pleased to announce a record-setting 1,107,995 guests of all ages visited the OKC Zoo during its fiscal year, July 1, 2023 to June 30, 2024. This tops the former fiscal year attendance record of 1,091,032 guests who visited the Zoo from July 1, 2021 to June 30, 2022.

The increase in attendance can be attributed to a combination of factors including the opening of Expedition Africa, presented by the Inasmuch Foundation, featuring more than 60 species native to the African continent, and many new to the 122-year-old Zoo. Additionally improved food and beverage options throughout the park and the growing popularity of seasonal attractions, including Safari Lights, Sip and Stroll, and Haunt the Zoo, have drawn new visitors.

Sip and Stroll expanded from four Thursday nights in 2023 to six Friday nights in 2024, bringing in 11,363 visitors and raising $21,766 for the Zoo’s Texas horned lizard conservation program. It was also a banner year for Round Up for Conservation, in which guests round up purchases to the next dollar when shopping in the park, with $146,634.71 donated to fund conservation initiatives in Oklahoma and around the world. Learn more about the program at www.okczoo.org/roundup.

The Oklahoma City Zoo continues to be the state’s most visited cultural attraction with guests coming from all 50 U.S. states and more than 20 countries as measured by zip code data. In addition to robust local support, the Zoo consistently attracts visitors from Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas. Nearly 25 percent of the Zoo’s 2024 spring break attendance, the Zoo’s most visited week of the year, came from visitors living in the Dallas/Fort Worth metropolitan area.

“This has been a huge year for the Oklahoma City Zoo in many ways and it’s gratifying to know we’ve welcomed a record number of visitors who support our mission to connect Oklahomans with wildlife and wild places,” said Dr. Dwight Lawson, executive director/CEO for the OKC Zoo. “We hope to see even more records set as we continue to implement more upgrades and construct new facilities in the years to come.”

In addition to rising attendance, the Zoo’s international reputation as a leader in wildlife conservation and science is also ascending. Over the last year, researchers at the OKC Zoo published nine scientific papers in a variety of journals and led and supported conservation research projects around the world.

A few of the Zoo’s ongoing conservation projects include:

The Sri Lanka Elephant Project—The OKC Zoo is the only AZA-accredited zoo doing research in the country. The project is supported entirely by the Zoo, including not only material support and funding, but expertise and personnel.
Monarch butterflies—In addition to providing financial support for collaborative efforts throughout Oklahoma, OKC Zoo provides a grant program for metro-area schools to apply for funds to create pollinator gardens, conducts research, and leads a headstart program for rare milkweed through the state.
FUNDESGUA—Founded by Dr. Brad Lock, the Zoo’s adjunct coordinator of Guatemala conservation programs, this holistic conservation project addresses critically endangered species, Guatemalan beaded lizards and Abronia lizards, through education, habitat restoration, and community engagement.
Texas horned lizard conservation program—The Zoo partnered with the University of Oklahoma to establish a Lizard Lab at the Zoo to raise and study Texas horned lizards as part of a headstart program to raise the animals in protected environments through their most vulnerable life stages before releasing them into the wild. So far, more than 40 young lizards raised at the Zoo have been released at Tinker Air Force Base.


As with all zoos and aquariums accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums (AZA), wildlife from around the world continues to be the primary draw for visiting guests. This year dozens of new species arrived at the Zoo, including naked mole rats, a dwarf crocodile, honey badgers and the return of meerkats. It was also a big year for animal births, with the Zoo welcoming Fera, the endangered Francois’ langur, five male African lion cubs, and five Volcan Alcedo Galapagos tortoises.

Go wild and mark your calendar for the return of the Zoo’s most popular fall and winter events including ZOObrew, the Zoo’s 21-and-up beer, wine, spirits, and mocktails-tasting event, presented by Byron’s Liquor Warehouse on September 27; the 41st annual Haunt the Zoo presented by Oklahoma’s Own News9 occurring Saturdays and Sundays, October 5 through 27; and OKC ZOO SAFARI LIGHTS presented by OG&E lights up the holiday season beginning Saturday, November 9. Tickets for many of these events are limited and already on sale at www.okczoo.org.

The Oklahoma City Zoo is open 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily with the last entry no later than 4 p.m. Through Labor Day, Monday, September 2, the Zoo is open daily at 8:30 a.m. for ZOOfriends with current memberships. Purchase advance Zoo admission tickets at okczoo.org/tickets and avoid the entry lines. Located at the crossroads of I-44 and I-35, the OKC Zoo is a proud member of the Association of Zoos and Aquariums, the American Alliance of Museums, and Oklahoma City’s Adventure District. Zoo admission is $16 for adults and $13 for children ages 3-11 and seniors ages 65 and over. Children two and under are admitted free.

Membership has its perks! As a ZOOfriends member of the Oklahoma City Zoo, enjoy free admission all year-long, plus many additional benefits and discounts. You will also be supporting the Zoo’s animal family, education programming and conservation initiatives both locally and globally. Join or renew today at okczoo.org/membership.

Stay connected with the Zoo on Facebook, X, Instagram, Linktree and TikTok, and by visiting our blog stories. To learn more about Zoo happenings, call (405) 424-3344 or visit okczoo.org.

The Zoo rules. Everytime I take someone they are impressed even if they have lived in OKC for years. We do the 6 person passport membership and use it frequently.

Aquaticus is completely gone:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/zoo080424a.jpg

Surprised they haven't started the marine habitat already.

construction there should break ground very soon ..

Plans are out for bid for the new Shore to Sea exhibit.

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Well this is a bummer and should flash giant warning signals for the Arena project. Hope the Arena team did a better job at estimating. They kicked the sea lions out for nothing.

https://thelostogle.com/2025/01/15/out-to-sea-okc-zoos-new-marine-life-habitat-scaled-back-after-massive-budget-overrun?fbclid=IwY2xjawH1ZHBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYE2e qF1-8Ap_1UnBxghcSqsANk3LOkOiWaCDeSot4gAgAWoW2eybVF1fg_ aem_yw-wOWOIu52l3Q2R4m-3PA

Well this is a bummer and should flash giant warning signals for the Arena project. Hope the Arena team did a better job at estimating. They kicked the sea lions out for nothing.

https://thelostogle.com/2025/01/15/out-to-sea-okc-zoos-new-marine-life-habitat-scaled-back-after-massive-budget-overrun?fbclid=IwY2xjawH1ZHBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYE2e qF1-8Ap_1UnBxghcSqsANk3LOkOiWaCDeSot4gAgAWoW2eybVF1fg_ aem_yw-wOWOIu52l3Q2R4m-3PA

What in the OU-level of mental gymnastics did you just type?

What in the OU-level of mental gymnastics did you just type?

The Sea Lion project has been postponed because it was way overbudget. This was after they sent the Sea lions away and demolished the old aquatic center. I don't see that part of the new exhibit being built anytime soon.

Dang, why can't we have nice things? I'd much rather they put the whole project on hold until they either secure or generate the funds to proceed with the original design. It's far better than building a half-baked version now and having to redo it in five years.

https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/expectation-vs-reality-architecture-fails-2-1.jpg

Agreed. Always scaling back.

This is the email the Zoo head sent about the 93% (!) mis-budget.

Blaming "high construction costs" is ridiculous. This is just severe mismanagement of public funds.

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Corruption

"Severe" mismanagement and corruption based on what evidence? I'm not disagreeing with you but it sounds more like severe inflation. And please explain any evidence of corruption?

Dang, why can't we have nice things? I'd much rather they put the whole project on hold until they either secure or generate the funds to proceed with the original design. It's far better than building a half-baked version now and having to redo it in five years.


Agreed, no amount of redesign is going to get them anywhere close to the original budget. Might as well shelve everything for the time being and admit they screwed up. I guess the plan was to just show the public "hey, look we're doing something".

Dwight Lawson has been with the zoo for about a decade now. When I worked there in 2015-16, everyone expected him to leave for a bigger market in 5 years (because that's when retirement vests) but he's stuck around. He was making questionable decisions even when I was there, and he's never been very popular with with visitor-facing or animal-facing staff.

"Severe" mismanagement and corruption based on what evidence? I'm not disagreeing with you but it sounds more like severe inflation. And please explain any evidence of corruption?

I don't know if there is any corruption, but there is a large amount of naiveness in the directors comments.


Dwight Lawson has been with the zoo for about a decade now. When I worked there in 2015-16, everyone expected him to leave for a bigger market in 5 years (because that's when retirement vests) but he's stuck around. He was making questionable decisions even when I was there, and he's never been very popular with with visitor-facing or animal-facing staff.

It was a wise move that he didn't move to a bigger market on his part. If he thinks OKC inflation is bad....

This is just severe mismanagement of public funds.



how is not spending money a mismanagement of funds??

wouldn't the mismanagement be if they just went ahead and spent the funds ..

Agreed, no amount of redesign is going to get them anywhere close to the original budget. Might as well shelve everything for the time being and admit they screwed up. I guess the plan was to just show the public "hey, look we're doing something".

On top of that, redesigning will cost an extra $$$.

Dwight Lawson has been with the zoo for about a decade now. When I worked there in 2015-16, everyone expected him to leave for a bigger market in 5 years (because that's when retirement vests) but he's stuck around. He was making questionable decisions even when I was there, and he's never been very popular with with visitor-facing or animal-facing staff.

lol none of this is accurate

Agreed, no amount of redesign is going to get them anywhere close to the original budget. Might as well shelve everything for the time being and admit they screwed up. I guess the plan was to just show the public "hey, look we're doing something".

The problem is when you propose something, get cost estimates, then don't start construction for 3 years thru a period of time when the country has seen the highest rate of inflation in 40 years, in a field (construction) that has seen, perhaps, the highest rate of inflation of any sector, this should not be a surprise. (apologies for the run-0n sentence.)

Agreed, no amount of redesign is going to get them anywhere close to the original budget. Might as well shelve everything for the time being and admit they screwed up. I guess the plan was to just show the public "hey, look we're doing something".

that is pretty much what they are doing .. and that was not an email to the public ..

how is not spending money a mismanagement of funds??

wouldn't the mismanagement be if they just went ahead and spent the funds ..

Because the zoo gets funds from a dedicated sales tax and can not deliver what was promised.

If we get anything at all, it will be far less than what had been presented in numerous public meetings. And they will either over-spend by 93% and thus compromise the long list of future projects they have presented in a recent master plan, or cut half the project altogether.

BTW, waiting always makes things more expensive so how is that a responsible strategy?


Anyone with a job: Try submitting a project for approval, receiving a budget, then after getting everything approved, publish the plans to a broad audience including the press, then go back and tell your boss the project can't be done because you missed the budget by 93%.

See how long you keep your job.


As with all these public trusts, they never publish final numbers against original budgets and timelines. They merely keep changing the budgets and then there is a final amount and completion date. In the real world, the budget never changes and you report against it until the project is done, complete with variations. Then, the people involved are evaluated accordingly and future projects benefit from a realistic understanding of where things went off the rails.

Since this never happens, we just keep making the same mistakes with nebulous blame about inflation and other things that every single business has to contend with. And our many projects, including this one, suffer.

The problem is when you propose something, get cost estimates, then don't start construction for 3 years thru a period of time when the country has seen the highest rate of inflation in 40 years, in a field (construction) that has seen, perhaps, the highest rate of inflation of any sector, this should not be a surprise. (apologies for the run-0n sentence.)

And that's fair. The problem is they were seeing the price increase since they first started planning and they held this delusional belief that they could get the price down with competitive bidding. They knew prices were high when they gave the greenlight to send the sea lions away and demolished the old aquatics building. The inflation was happening ever since they first announced this project.

I am glad these problems are exclusive to OKC.

I have started to make a list of all the City projects that have gone very far over budget and well beyond stated timelines.

It's already a long list and predates the universal 'pandemic' and 'inflation' catch-all excuses.

The city frequently badly misses on projects and either makes huge value engineering compromises or moves money budgeted for other things. They also miss -- badly -- timelines, often by years.


I've been talking about this for at least 15 years. There needs to be reports against original budgets and timelines. They never do that and thus never learn. And we keep making the same mistakes over and over.

And these aren't little things; they are huge misses.


One current example: Union Station. Just asked David Todd about this a week ago and learned it's the same song: don't have enough money, value engineering, delays and more delays that just cost more money, will end up with a small fraction of what was proposed.

Also now happening with the Palomar MAPS 4 project (also delayed and over budget), and they can only build about 2/3rds of the Hefner Clubhouse, on and on.

This would be like if the new arena cost came out to be, what, 1.7 billion dollars? What's sad is that I could see people on here defending that too. A 93% overrun is unbelievable.

Because the zoo gets funds from a dedicated sales tax and can not deliver what was promised.

If we get anything at all, it will be far less than what had been presented in numerous public meetings. And they will either over-spend by 93% and thus compromise the long list of future projects they have presented in a recent master plan, or cut half the project altogether.


Anyone with a job: Try submitting a project for approval, receiving a budget, then after getting everything approved, publish the plans to a broad audience including the press, then go back and tell your boss the project can't be done because you missed the budget by 93%.

See how long you keep your job.

Try putting together a proposal for a capitol improvement project so funds can be raised, seeing inflation of the rates we have suffered, then expecting it to come in within budget 3 years later. It would be impossible.

I will accept that the biggest error the director made was not warning of the cost inflation much sooner but, as was said, he seemed to be relying on costs coming down post covid, and post supply chain problems. And yes, construction costs can come down. Here are examples of inflation in the construction sector. Note that some cost did deflate but not nearly as much as they inflated. Also note, this doesn't include labor which apparently is expected to be in short supply.

it is a rare time construction projects in the public sector stay within budget.

https://edzarenski.com/2024/01/17/construction-inflation-2024/

This would be like if the new arena cost came out to be, what, 1.7 billion dollars? What's sad is that I could see people on here defending that too. A 93% overrun is unbelievable.

just wait........

Try putting together a proposal for a capitol improvement project so funds can be raised, seeing inflation of the rates we have suffered, then expecting it to come in within budget 3 years later. It would be impossible.

I will accept that the biggest error the director made was not warning of the cost inflation much sooner but, as was said, he seemed to be relying on costs coming down post covid, and post supply chain problems. And yes, construction costs can come down. Here are examples of inflation in the construction sector. Note that some cost did deflate but not nearly as much as they inflated. Also note, this doesn't include labor.

it is a rare time construction projects in the public sector stay within budget.

https://edzarenski.com/2024/01/17/construction-inflation-2024/

I've managed bigger construction costs than this.

We've known about all these 'problems' for 4 years now. This project was recently unveiled and they demoed the existing structure to start work. So they didn't bother to recalculate? Not factoring all these issues into the budget is outrageously irresponsible. It's not like they cropped up a week ago.

None of these excuses would fly in the real world and this sort of thing should be handled in the same way: accountability. Again, imagine yourself standing in your boss's office trying to make these excuses. He or she would be furious and you'd be out of a job.

Ignoring the realities of the last 4 years is wrong and, yes, they are and have been accepted in the real world because I see it in my own company. We recently dropped a major new site project due to huge construction cost overruns and availability of empty office space elsewhere. That is the current reality. The zoo project is construction of a unique structure of which there are no existing alternatives. Not spending $ and determining what is feasible was the right call.