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Anonymous. 03-10-2015, 04:23 PM Yea definitely to not be fooled, we can easily drop to freezing and below in late March.
BTW, GFS picking up winter solution again for the storm around the 19th-22nd timeframe.
Uncle Slayton 03-10-2015, 05:58 PM Yea definitely to not be fooled, we can easily drop to freezing and below in late March.
BTW, GFS picking up winter solution again for the storm around the 19th-22nd timeframe.
Aw, man, have mercy. I *love* the snow, but in December. I have tomato plants 6" tall...
Anonymous. 03-10-2015, 06:15 PM It's far enough away, I wouldn't worry about it. Just a reminder that cold air can still sneak in here!
John1744 03-11-2015, 10:28 PM David Payne had an interesting graphic on the 10PM newscast, this has been the quietest March in 46 years with no severe weather watches through today in the US. For some reason things like that make me even more nervous for the rest of the season. I feel I've heard things like this before only for the season to become incredibly active.
ljbab728 03-12-2015, 10:15 PM I kinda like it for a change when there isn't much to be said here. Especially since that's going to change big time in the next few months. :)
venture 03-14-2015, 01:52 AM Still appears next weekend we could see some storms in the Southern Plains. CAPE image below showing instability.
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/GFS/00/SGP/gfsSGP_con_sbcape_192.gif
Anonymous. 03-15-2015, 08:28 PM 7-day QPF projections are over an inch of rain over the next week.
venture 03-18-2015, 02:50 AM We are 3 days away from the all time record for the latest date the NWS Norman office has issues a severe thunderstorm warning (March 21, 1991). The latest date for a tornado warning is April 17th in 2013. We spoke about it a bit already in past threads and NWS Norman hit on it yesterday in a post on Facebook. A lot of people want to try to draw parallels on what it could mean and of course 1991 and 2013 were definitely busy years. So with that, we have an opportunity on Thursday to avoid setting a new record...
SPC has highlight a MARGINAL RISK area for SW and SC OK.
SPC Discussion
...SWRN OK THROUGH NWRN TX...
EAST OF A LEE LOW OVER WRN TX...A WARM FRONT WILL LIFT NWD INTO SRN
OK THURSDAY AFTERNOON. SOUTH OF THIS BOUNDARY...PARTIALLY MODIFIED
GULF AIR /LOW 60S F NEAR-SFC DEWPOINTS/ WILL ADVECT THROUGH THE WARM
SECTOR. STEEPER /6.5 C/KM 850-500 MB/ LAPSE RATES WILL SPREAD EWD
ABOVE WRN FRINGE OF MOIST AXIS WHERE AT LEAST MODEST DIABATIC
WARMING SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO AN AXIS OF 400-800 J/KG MLCAPE. WEAK
SHORTWAVE RIDGING WILL PERSIST OVER THIS REGION DURING THE DAY WHICH
/ALONG WITH A MODEST CAPPING INVERSION ALOFT/ SHOULD LIMIT
THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT IN WARM SECTOR. HOWEVER...ASCENT ALONG THE
ADVANCING COLD FRONT MAY BE SUFFICIENT TO INITIATE THUNDERSTORMS AS
IT INTERCEPTS THE MOIST AXIS. DEEP-LAYER SHEAR FROM 35-45 KT WILL
SUPPORT POTENTIAL FOR A FEW ORGANIZED STORMS...BUT THERE MAY BE A
TENDENCY FOR ACTIVITY TO BE UNDERCUT BY THE SWD MOVING FRONT. A FEW
OF THE STRONGER STORMS MIGHT BECOME CAPABLE OF PRODUCING HAIL AND
GUSTY WINDS THROUGH EARLY EVENING.
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venture 03-18-2015, 03:21 AM Storm Outlook...
Thursday March 19th
Details: See above discussion.
Impact Area: SW, SC OK
Risk Level: Marginal (SPC)
Expected Risks: Wind, Hail
Saturday March 21th
Details: Isolated showers and storms. Low to marginal instability. Very little in the way of any precip expected.
Impact Area: C, SC OK
Risk Level: Low
Expected Risks: None
Sunday March 22th
Details: Low to marginal instability over much of W and C OK. Storms expected to form in the afternoon over NW OK and move SE over night.
Impact Area: W, C OK
Risk Level: Low
Expected Risks: Wind, Hail
Monday March 23rd
Details: Low to marginal instability over much of W and C OK. Isolated storms possible by late afternoon.
Impact Area: W, C OK
Risk Level: Low
Expected Risks: Wind, Hail
Tuesday March 24th
Details: Marginal instability over NW and NC OK. Chance for a couple isolated showers or storms to get going in there, but precip forecasts are low.
Impact Area: NW OK
Risk Level: Low
Expected Risks: Wind, Hail
Wednesday March 25th
Details: Marginal instability over SW OK stretching up I-44 to near C OK. Best chance for any storms will be in SW OK where CAPE values could exceed 1000 j/kg. Convective inhibition appears to be high, so that should restrict on how widespread activity gets.
Impact Area: SW OK
Risk Level: Low
Expected Risks: Wind, Hail
John1744 03-18-2015, 04:12 PM Well the rain was a bit of a bust compared to initial thoughts, par for the year eh? I must say I'm ready to see some thunderstorms rolling in.
venture 03-19-2015, 01:16 AM Day 1 convective outlook
nws storm prediction center norman ok
1156 pm cdt wed mar 18 2015
valid 191200z - 201200z
...there is a mrgl risk of svr tstms across portions of southern
oklahoma and northern texas...
...summary...
A few storms with a threat for marginally severe hail and gusty
winds may occur across parts of the southern plains this afternoon
and evening.
...synopsis...
A weak upper low in southern stream flow over baja/northern mexico
will shift slowly eastward today. This will result in a band of
enhanced southwesterly mid to upper level flow across the southern
plains. At the surface...a relatively moist and warm airmass will
exist as far north as the red river in north tx/southern ok. A weak
surface trough will extend south/southwest from a low over western
north tx into southwest tx. At the same time...a cold front will
track southeastward across the southern plains and a few strong to
perhaps severe thunderstorms will be possible during the afternoon
and evening near the intersection of the sfc low and cold front.
...portions of southern ok and northern tx...
Surface dewpoints in the low 60s should extend as far north as
southwest and south-central ok this afternoon...while temperatures
warm into the upper 60s to mid 70s. While cloud cover may inhibit
greater heating...this should be sufficient to achieve mlcape values
approaching 750 j/kg. Isolated convection is expected to develop
near the triple point in the vicinity of cds to sps by 21-00z. While
instability will be marginal...effective shear near 35-45 kt and
modest lapse rates could be enough for some short-lived supercell
structures...capable mainly of marginally severe hail. These storms
should quickly become undercut by the southeastward advancing cold
front with only a brief window for surface based convection...but a
few stronger wind gusts may be possible as well.
...southwest tx...
A storm or two may also develop in the vicinity of the surface
trough...where stronger insolation is expected. If storms
develop...they will be diurnal in nature as convergence along the
trough will be much weaker than that near the cold front further to
the north. Still...should a storm develop...marginally severe hail
may be possible. Low confidence in coverage and conditional nature
of the threat will preclude severe probabilities at this time.
..leitman/dean.. 03/19/2015
venture 03-20-2015, 02:33 AM Wednesday looks like the day to watch for severe weather chances across Oklahoma. Still really early and not not a long of run-to-run consistency yet on the magnitude of things for the 25th but so far this is appearing the best setup we've had yet this year. Moderate to high instability, good moisture, and a boundary to focus convection. Won't get much more specific for now as the numbers will continue to change as we approach the day.
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venture 03-20-2015, 10:10 AM SPC has a 15% area, equivalent to a Slight risk in Day 1 to 3 outlooks, for Tuesday so far.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/exper/day4-8/day5prob.gif
06Z GFS would also pull more of Central and Southern OK into the risk area, but we'll see what the 12Z models put out later this morning and early this afternoon.
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/GFS/06/SGP/gfsSGP_con_scp_114.gif
Bobby821 03-20-2015, 10:29 AM That looks to be primarily NE Oklahoma probably wont affect us here in central and points west and SW if this hold true come next week.
venture 03-20-2015, 11:13 AM That looks to be primarily NE Oklahoma probably wont affect us here in central and points west and SW if this hold true come next week.
That's not really how the map should be viewed. Day 4-8 maps are always going to show the area of greatest risk for those days...as best as they can forecast that far out. I'll post a discussion once the 12Z models are all in.
Bobby821 03-20-2015, 12:15 PM This was posted on News OK, I don't subscribe so I can not read the full article but this is a blurb at the top. So are we looking at a calm March and April with hardly any tornadoes or high end severe weather? Curious because that would give us just a month and a half of high end severe weather events in May and first part of June before active weather subsides.
As spring begins, forecasters say a relatively calm beginning of the tornado season could be in store. They expect to see little severe weather through the rest of March and April.
venture 03-20-2015, 12:48 PM This was posted on News OK, I don't subscribe so I can not read the full article but this is a blurb at the top. So are we looking at a calm March and April with hardly any tornadoes or high end severe weather? Curious because that would give us just a month and a half of high end severe weather events in May and first part of June before active weather subsides.
As spring begins, forecasters say a relatively calm beginning of the tornado season could be in store. They expect to see little severe weather through the rest of March and April.
Full article was readable to those without a subscription, so not sure why it isn't working for you. However, to take away a lot of assumptions just from the title isn't the best thing. What the NOAA reps are saying in the article is that with typical Weak El Nino patterns like we are in now, it generally translates to a quieter/wetter spring. We had similar El Ninos during 2012-2013, 2003-2005, and 1992-1994. How did it translate into tornadoes for those years?
1992: March - 2, April - 9, May - 25, Jun - 9, July - 2, Sept - 16 (monthly record), October - 1
1993: March - 6, April - 17, May - 20, Jun - 13, Sept - 5, Oct - 2, Nov - 1
1994: March - 1, April - 15, May - 11, Jun - 2, July - 6, Aug - 2, Oct - 3
2003: March - 4, April - 15, May - 59
2004: March - 12, April 13, May - 26, Jun - 4, Oct - 1, Nov - 6
2005: March - 8, April - 7, Jun - 10, Sept - 1, Oct - 1
2012: March - 5, April - 54 (Monthly record), May - 3, Oct - 1
2014: Jan - 2, March - 2, April - 12, May - 63, Jul - 2, Aug - 1
NWS Norman put out a good post about this on FB a week or so ago, that was previously discussed. Slow starts to the season mean absolutely nothing and people that focus on it are putting themselves into a false sense of what the season will actually do. It is hard to say how the season will turn out, but it takes just one tornado day to make the year memorable.
We already have 2 severe weather days on tap for this coming week, so chances are we'll start to working on our annual tally for severe reports.
venture 03-20-2015, 01:23 PM Storm Outlook
Tuesday
Two main days of potential severe weather coming up for Oklahoma. First is going to be Tuesday March 24th. This is going to be based off of the 12Z GFS since the Euro isn't fully available just yet. Tuesday will have a system drop through Oklahoma by Mid-Late afternoon. Temps ahead of the boundary will be in the 70s and 80s. Moisture seems to be pretty sufficient, especially for March systems, over much of the state with dews in the mid to upper 50s by early afternoon. This could increase into the low 60s, especially SE of I-44 and south of I-40. This will help cause a moderately unstable atmosphere over much of Central, Southwest, and Eastern OK. By late afternoon we could be looking at surface-based CAPE figures at or above 1500 j/kg stretch from the Tulsa area, through the Southeast Metro, and back over Southern OK between I-44 and I-35. Convective Inhibition may be an issue for many areas, especially south of the OKC Metro area. This would limit any storm development or eventual coverage of storms. CIN is also forecast to be decent over NE OK as well, but greater forcing should help break that up. Outside of early morning precip chances, storms should initiate from Northeast to Southwest along the boundary starting around the Tulsa/Bartlesville areas and build back towards Norman/Chickasha by early Evening. Conditions during this time should be favorable for a few severe storms with large hail and damaging winds. Tornado threat appears low, not zero, at this time. Being on the tail end of the line of storms always means we need to watch for the tail end charlie scenario of a more intense storm. Storm movements should be ESE at about 20 mph.
Wednesday
Overnight into Wednesday the entire setup backs up and reloads. The dryline heads back to the TX/Ok border and the surface boundary pushes back north of the KS line. Should this happen, a deep moisture return will happen sending dewpoints well into the low 60s by afternoon. If this plays out it will be one of those mornings where the moisture is thick, it'll smell like Spring, and you'll see the low broken cloud deck in the morning with the relatively fast moving clouds. Instability by afternoon is expected to be high to very high with lifted indexes at or below -8 along I-44 from Tulsa through the Metro to the south and southwest. CAPE values could very well exceed 2500 j/kg especially over the OKC metro area.
The dryline will rush east but then park it around US 81 out west of the Metro - at this time it will not pass the Metro. The cold front/surface boundary will plow down from the north very late into the overnight hours. This could very well set us up for two rounds of storms - one from the dryline and another more squall line setup along the front. Initiation should start somewhere near Central OK - it will all depend on boundary placement. Best time for storm chances will be from 5PM through 10PM for the first batch, then through 4AM for the second wave (should be less intense).
Forecast sounding from Norman by mid-afternoon is pretty stout. No cap in place (which could be a good thing), very high instability, and numbers are are pretty favorable for all modes of severe weather. As far as the tornado threat (which it is very early to really get into this since things will continue to evolve) the chance will be there, but there are a few things going against it. Wind field isn't cookie cutter ideal with surface winds out of the SSW and only getting barely WSW with height in the lower parts of the potential storms. This tends to favor more large hail and damaging winds. However, localized environments can modify this and as we get closer we will have to watch for any backing to the winds (more of a southeasterly direction at the surface) to see if that improves overall shear. Regardless, seeing EHI values over 2, helicity over 153...we still need to watch it.
As usual...all this can change from run to run, so this is just based off the one model and the fact where it has been mostly consistent in highlighting these two days. At this point I like Wednesday more for the severe weather chances for Oklahoma, but that could change on the next run. :)
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venture 03-20-2015, 04:37 PM Discussion Update
This is going to be fairly short and will focus on differences from the GFS to the 12Z Euro. Tuesday is pretty similar in nature, but it is a bit further south with initiation and closer to Central OK. Instability is pretty similar in the moderate to high category with the highest further SW.
Wednesday is where the differences lie. Euro is significantly faster with the cold front and brings in through during the morning. Good chance for showers and storms along it, especially across Northern OK. Severe weather chances obviously much lower with it, but could see some higher winds with those storms.
So right now Tuesday seems pretty well in place for severe weather with just some of the smaller details needed to put in place. Wednesday has significant differences in system placements and speeds that we need to see with solution the models focus on. We will start entering the NAM's forecast window soon, so that will help give us more data to look at.
venture 03-21-2015, 11:29 AM Quick update. GFS seems to be getting more in line with the others now. This is a pretty typical move and something I normally expect for March storms. Both Tuesday and Wednesday will still have chances for severe storms, but it'll mostly be confined to SE of I-44 and east of I-35. NAM is even more bearish on any precip at all south of I-70 in MO. The main push of energy with this next storm though won't be on shore until late Sunday/Monday - so expect things to still move around and change.
silvergrove 03-21-2015, 03:43 PM Did we match or break the record yet for the slowest start to the storm season?
venture 03-21-2015, 04:11 PM We tied the record for latest SVR warning today.
venture 03-22-2015, 01:33 AM Marginal Risk for severe weather for Tuesday over NW OK.
SPC discussion... ...CENTRAL PLAINS...
WEAK SHORT-WAVE TROUGH IS EXPECTED TO EJECT ACROSS THE CNTRL/SRN
ROCKIES INTO THE CNTRL PLAINS BY 24/00Z. IN RESPONSE...LEE
TROUGH/DRY LINE SHOULD BECOME BETTER DEFINED ACROSS THE ERN TX
PANHANDLE WITH A PRONOUNCED WARM FRONT EXPECTED TO SHARPEN OVER SRN
KS/MO. MODELS ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT ALLOWING A NARROW CORRIDOR OF
50S SFC DEW POINTS TO ADVANCE NWD ACROSS THE EDWARDS PLATEAU ACROSS
WRN OK INTO EXTREME SRN KS. FORECAST SOUNDINGS SUGGEST INHIBITION
WILL WEAKEN CONSIDERABLY ALONG THE DRY LINE OVER THE ERN TX
PANHANDLE BUT IT/S NOT CLEAR IF ANY STORMS WILL ACTUALLY ROOT INTO
THIS MODIFIED AIR MASS. WHILE AN ISOLATED HIGH-BASED SUPERCELL
CANNOT BE RULED OUT ALONG THE DRY LINE...A STRONGER SIGNAL FOR
CONVECTION DEVELOPS AFTER DARK AS 50KT+ LLJ IMPINGES ON WARM FRONT
ACROSS KS. PARCELS LIFTED NEAR 850MB COULD YIELD MUCAPE IN EXCESS
OF 1000 J/KG WITHIN A SHEARED ENVIRONMENT FAVORABLE FOR ROTATING
STORMS. FOR THIS REASON HAVE INTRODUCED 5 PERCENT SEVERE PROBS TO
ACCOUNT FOR HAIL WITHIN STRONGEST ELEVATED CONVECTION AFTER DARK.
venture 03-22-2015, 02:37 PM 3 days of severe weather possible across portions of the state...
Monday - Marginal Risk over NW OK. Moderately unstable atmosphere over all of W OK tomorrow, but also plenty of convective inhibition as well. Weakest area of CIN is going to be in the NW sections where 1 or 2 storms may get going. Hail and wind main threat.
Tuesday - Slight Risk over far NE and East Central OK, surrounded by a Marginal risk into SE OK. 12Z NAM suggests this area could be moved further west closer to the eastern edges of the Metro area. High to Very High Instability ahead of the boundary with CAPE values possible approaching 3000 j/kg. Main risks Hail and Wind, tornado threat appears more probably closer to NE OK. Initiation is expected to be mostly in NE OK, so areas closer to central OK will be much more isolated if at all.
Wednesday - Severe risk, likely a Slight Risk, most areas SE of I-44. Right now SPC has this area SE of the Metro area, but 12 NAM does suggest the Metro will be in play. Very High instability around 3000 j/kg (CAPE) over the area, especially Central OK. All modes of severe weather possible, but more favored towards damaging winds. Initiation expect over Central OK by late afternoon.
More details with the runs tonight.
okatty 03-22-2015, 03:21 PM Well it's a chamber of commerce day today!! Gorgeous!!:wink:
John1744 03-22-2015, 07:23 PM 3 days of severe weather possible across portions of the state...
Monday - Marginal Risk over NW OK. Moderately unstable atmosphere over all of W OK tomorrow, but also plenty of convective inhibition as well. Weakest area of CIN is going to be in the NW sections where 1 or 2 storms may get going. Hail and wind main threat.
Tuesday - Slight Risk over far NE and East Central OK, surrounded by a Marginal risk into SE OK. 12Z NAM suggests this area could be moved further west closer to the eastern edges of the Metro area. High to Very High Instability ahead of the boundary with CAPE values possible approaching 3000 j/kg. Main risks Hail and Wind, tornado threat appears more probably closer to NE OK. Initiation is expected to be mostly in NE OK, so areas closer to central OK will be much more isolated if at all.
Wednesday - Severe risk, likely a Slight Risk, most areas SE of I-44. Right now SPC has this area SE of the Metro area, but 12 NAM does suggest the Metro will be in play. Very High instability around 3000 j/kg (CAPE) over the area, especially Central OK. All modes of severe weather possible, but more favored towards damaging winds. Initiation expect over Central OK by late afternoon.
More details with the runs tonight.
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venture 03-23-2015, 01:02 AM The TLDR Overview...
Monday - One...maybe two storms far NW with hail/wind. Tuesday - Line of storms southeast of a line from Bentonville-Eufaula-Ardmore with hail and wind primary, maybe a tornado (best chance up in MO). Wednesday - As it appears right now, could be a good sized severe event - all modes possible. Our Severe weather drought will end, and I also expect the nation's tornado drought to end this week as well.
Forecast Discussion
Forecast is a bit of a blend between NAM and GFS, leaning a bit more on NAM just with a bit tamer numbers (some of them are pretty wild for March). GFS is lagging a bit behind the adjustments the other models but setting everything too far east. We'll have to see how things continue to trend. NAM continues to intensify and setup things further west.
Monday
Risk Area in Blue
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/23-outlook-mon.PNG
Monday appears to a modest day severe weather wise due to limited coverage. Conditions do appears favorable for a severe storm or two should anything be able to form. Forecast sounding from NW OK shows a moderately unstable atmosphere with a marginal cap. Shear looks favorable for rotating storms, but LCLs will be too high for any tornado potential - not saying it can't happen - just extremely unlikely at this point.
Tuesday
CAPE (first map), My Storm Outlook (second map)
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/23-outlook-tue.PNG http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/23-outlook-tue1.PNG
Tuesday is likely the day Oklahoma's severe weather drought ends. I have an area outlined in blue and gold on the map. East of the Blue area are those with the chance to see storms form. The area in the gold outline is the severe risk area. I think this is a pretty solid slight risk day with no need to go higher. Current storm mode appears to be more linear with some broken areas with embedded supercells. Some things to watch for. One is moisture return. NAM wants to bump a ton of 60+ dewpoints into Central and Eastern OK by early Afternoon. The highest the moisture content the more you will see instability soar.
Impacts to Central OK will be limited by the advancing boundary that will clear the Metro by mid Afternoon and allow for storms to initiate further east. Main threats will be hail and wind. Tornado threat will be there, best chance for Oklahoma appears to be over far NEl OK with the initial storms before things line out. I think SPC will go Slight and stay there...unless we see moisture return go crazy and warrant an enhanced risk.
Wednesday
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/23-outlook-wed.PNG
This is going to be the big day this week. Do not be shocked to see SPC go with an Enhanced Risk this day, and if NAM verifies this could be the first Moderate risk of the year. I'm not sold on moisture return, so no need to go crazy yet. I did outline an area of enhanced risk on the map in dark blue over Central into NE OK. This is the most likely area to see all modes of severe weather. We are going to have two waves. 1) Over Western OK just west of the Metro area that will be supercells firing during the mid to late afternoon. 2) Along the cold front as it blasts down during the late evening from Kansas. Initial storms will be supercells and have the risk for very large hail, damaging winds, and probably a few tornadoes as it appears now. The setup for these storms will be pretty classic for the Spring, just not really for March.
Good moisture return/recovery expected with dews in the 60s over much of Oklahoma. Temps into the mid to upper 70s, even low 80s west of I-35 possible. Winds appears to be favorable and backing from the south-southeast across Central and Eastern OK. Now GFS, even though it is further east, does have similar moisture return. It is much tamer instability wise, but we are talking CAPE 1500-2000 j/kg versus NAM which has CAPE over 3000 j/kg. So we have to see which one is going to play out. I am a little concern on recovery of the atmosphere and position of boundaries from Tuesday's activity. If NAM plays out as the scenario we have, this will be a pretty big day severe weather wise that we've had in a while.
Below is the forecast sounding for near Norman for Wednesday afternoon/evening. You'll note backing of the winds to the SSE at the surface. Helicity and EHI values are quite high as well. Instability (CAPE) is very high. Other parameters such as LI, SWEAT, and TT are pretty high to extreme. Now take all this with the understanding a lot of this depends on moisture return and daytime heating - as well as boundary positioning. Severe threats are obviously going to include all modes with large hail and tornadoes possible with the initial storms and the more of a damaging wind threat with the cold front storms.
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/00_NAM_072_35.29,-97.43_skewt_SB.gif
venture 03-23-2015, 01:05 AM SPC Outlooks are coming out...
Monday - Marginal Risk over NW and West Central OK.
DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1238 AM CDT MON MAR 23 2015
VALID 231200Z - 241200Z
...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING
ACROSS PARTS OF THE CENTRAL PLAINS...
...SUMMARY...
A FEW THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY THE RISK FOR MARGINALLY
SEVERE HAIL ACROSS PARTS OF THE CENTRAL PLAINS LATE TODAY INTO
TONIGHT.
...SYNOPSIS...
AS A STRONG MID-LATITUDE PACIFIC JET NOSES EAST OF THE INTERNATIONAL
DATE LINE LATER TODAY AND TONIGHT...A GRADUAL AMPLIFICATION MAY
COMMENCE WITHIN BRANCHING DOWNSTREAM FLOW ACROSS THE EASTERN
PACIFIC...WITH MID/UPPER RIDGING BEGINNING TO BUILD WEST OF THE U.S.
PACIFIC COAST. OTHERWISE...FLOW ACROSS MUCH OF THE U.S. WILL REMAIN
MORE OR LESS ZONAL...IN THE WAKE OF A PROMINENT CLOSED LOW AND
TRAILING UPPER TROUGHING FORECAST TO PROGRESS EAST OF THE CANADIAN
MARITIMES AND NORTH ATLANTIC COAST.
WITHIN A LINGERING STREAM ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER STATES...MODELS
INDICATE THAT REMNANT UPPER TROUGHING WILL ACCELERATE THROUGH A
CONFLUENT REGIME ACROSS THE EASTERN GULF INTO SOUTH ATLANTIC COAST
STATES DURING THE DAY TODAY. IN ITS WAKE...SUBSTANTIVE LOW-LEVEL
COOLING AND/OR DRYING IS FORECAST ACROSS MUCH OF THE NORTHERN AND
WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO. THIS PROBABLY WILL TEND TO INHIBIT...OR AT
LEAST DELAY...INCREASING CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL WHICH COULD OCCUR WITH
UPPER TROUGHING NOW PROGRESSING INLAND ACROSS THE PACIFIC COAST.
THIS LATTER FEATURE MAY DECOMPOSE INTO A NUMBER OF SMALLER SCALE
PERTURBATIONS AS IT CONTINUES INLAND ACROSS THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST
AND ROCKIES...BUT GUIDANCE REMAINS SUGGESTIVE THAT ONE IMPULSE MAY
SUPPORT AT LEAST MODEST SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS ACROSS THE SOUTH
CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT.
...CENTRAL PLAINS...
NORTHWARD MOISTURE RETURN TO THE EAST OF DEVELOPING SOUTHERN INTO
CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS SURFACE TROUGHING IS LIKELY TO BE LIMITED TO
THAT NOW PRESENT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS...WHICH MAY ONLY SUPPORT
A CORRIDOR OF LOWER/MID 50S SURFACE DEW POINTS DURING PEAK AFTERNOON
HEATING/MIXING. MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL REMAIN
STEEP...ASSOCIATED WITH WARM MIXED LAYER AIR ADVECTING OFF THE
HIGHER TERRAIN TO THE WEST...BUT INHIBITION MAY SUPPRESS ANYTHING
MUCH BEYOND...PERHAPS...ONE OR TWO STORMS IN THE WARM SECTOR OF THE
DEVELOPING LOW. IF THIS OCCURS...IT CURRENTLY SEEMS MOST PROBABLE
ROUGHLY BETWEEN GAGE AND DODGE CITY...WHERE VERTICAL SHEAR SHOULD BE
FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELLS GIVEN SUSTAINED CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT.
THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY BASED WITHIN A STRENGTHENING LOWER/MID
TROPOSPHERIC WARM ADVECTION REGIME SEEMS MORE PROBABLE AFTER
DARK...INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...ACROSS PARTS OF NORTHERN KANSAS.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT CLOUD BEARING LAYER SHEAR MAY BE SUFFICIENT TO
ENHANCE THE HAIL POTENTIAL...DESPITE THE SOMEWHAT MARGINAL CAPE FOR
VIGOROUS UPDRAFTS.
Tuesday - SPC has done what I had posted in my last discussion. Slight Risk area expanded over much of Eastern Oklahoma.
DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1220 AM CDT MON MAR 23 2015
VALID 241200Z - 251200Z
...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM ERN OK INTO SWRN MO...
...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE SLGT RISK FROM
NERN TX INTO NRN MO...
...SUMMARY...
SCATTERED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP FROM PORTIONS
OF SOUTHERN MISSOURI...EASTERN OKLAHOMA...WESTERN ARKANSAS...AND
EXTREME NORTHEAST TEXAS TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. LARGE HAIL
AND DAMAGING WINDS ARE THE PRIMARY THREATS.
...MO TO NORTHEAST TX...
STRONG SHORT-WAVE TROUGH WILL EJECT ACROSS THE CNTRL ROCKIES INTO
THE CNTRL PLAINS BY 24/18Z. THIS FEATURE SHOULD PROGRESS INTO THE
MID MS VALLEY BY EARLY EVENING WITH MARKED DIFLUENT HIGH LEVEL FLOW
AND FOCUSED ASCENT EXPECTED NORTH OF WARM FRONT. SUBSTANTIAL
CLOUDS/PRECIPITATION WILL BE NOTED WITHIN THE STRONGLY FORCED AIR
MASS FROM NEB INTO IA/NRN IL. HOWEVER...INSTABILITY SHOULD PROVE
INSUFFICIENT FOR ORGANIZED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE COOL
SECTOR. OF MORE CONCERN IS THE GRADUALLY MOISTENING WARM SECTOR
AHEAD OF COLD FRONT/DRY LINE. LATEST GUIDANCE SUPPORTS EARLIER
MODELS WITH 50S SFC DEW POINTS ADVANCING NEWD INTO MO...SOUTH OF THE
WARM FRONT WITH PERHAPS A NARROW CORRIDOR OF 60F DEW POINTS EXPECTED
OVER ERN OK BY 25/00Z. STRONG CAPPING AND VEERED LOW LEVEL FLOW
SHOULD DELAY CONVECTIVE INITIATION OVER THE PLAINS...BUT TSTMS ARE
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ALONG THE BOUNDARY FROM WRN MO...SWWD ACROSS ERN
OK BETWEEN 22-23Z. ENVIRONMENTAL SHEAR FAVORS DISCRETE SUPERCELL
STRUCTURES WITH SFC-6KM BULK SHEAR ON THE ORDER OF 40-50KT. IT/S
NOT CLEAR HOW FAR SW CONVECTION WILL DEVELOP BUT THERE IS SOME
CHANCE TSTMS EVOLVE OVER EXTREME NE TX DURING THE EVENING HOURS
BEFORE DRY LINE STALLS ACROSS THIS REGION. LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING
WINDS SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY THREATS...ALTHOUGH AN ISOLATED TORNADO
CANNOT BE RULED OUT. THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD WEAKEN BY LATE EVENING AS
THEY ENCOUNTER LESS FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT OVER SERN MO/ERN AR AND
DUE TO THE LLJ/FORCING SHIFTING WELL NORTH OF THIS REGION ACROSS NRN
IL.
venture 03-23-2015, 10:00 AM SPC Outlook Updates...
Day 1 (Today) Marginal risk area expanded to include parts of NE OK now. Just looking for mainly a couple hailers today.
Day 3 - Slight Risk for pretty much every but far NW and W OK, and far SE.
DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0217 AM CDT MON MAR 23 2015
VALID 251200Z - 261200Z
...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE SRN PLAINS TO THE
LOWER OH VALLEY...
...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE SLGT RISK FROM
NW TX TO SWRN IND...
...SUMMARY...
SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ALONG A COLD FRONT
STRETCHING FROM PORTIONS OF THE MID MISSISSIPPI VALLEY...SOUTHWEST
INTO THE SOUTHERN PLAINS OF OKLAHOMA AND TEXAS WEDNESDAY
AFTERNOON/EVENING. LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS ARE THE PRIMARY
THREATS CONTINUING INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS.
...SRN PLAINS TO LOWER OH VALLEY...
SECONDARY SHORT-WAVE TROUGH...WITHIN NWLY FLOW...WILL DIG ACROSS THE
CNTRL ROCKIES INTO THE HIGH PLAINS FROM WRN KS INTO THE TX PANHANDLE
BY 26/00Z. WITH TIME...FLOW WILL STRENGTHEN ON DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF
THIS FEATURE AND UPPER TROUGH SHOULD MIGRATE EAST TOWARD THE MS
VALLEY. IN THE WAKE OF THIS DIGGING SHORT WAVE...SFC HIGH WILL
BUILD SWD ACROSS THE HIGH PLAINS FORCING A COLD FRONT THROUGH MUCH
OF KS INTO THE NRN TX PANHANDLE BY PEAK HEATING.
AT THE SFC...IT APPEARS A WEAK LEE CYCLONE WILL EVOLVE AHEAD OF THE
SURGING COLD FRONT OVER THE TX PANHANDLE...THEN SHIFT INTO EXTREME
SWRN OK JUST PRIOR TO CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT. LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE
SUGGESTS STRONG HEATING WILL DEVELOP ACROSS THE SRN HIGH
PLAINS...EXTENDING NEWD AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT INTO CNTRL OK. SFC
TEMPERATURES WILL LIKELY SOAR WELL INTO THE 80S ACROSS PARTS OF NWRN
TX WITH SLIGHTLY COOLER READINGS EXPECTED AHEAD OF WIND SHIFT ACROSS
OK INTO SWRN MO. MODELS ARE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT CONVECTION
WILL EVOLVE ALONG THE COLD FRONT BETWEEN 21-00Z WITHIN A STRONGLY
SHEARED ENVIRONMENT SUPPORTIVE OF ROTATING UPDRAFTS. WHILE DISCRETE
SUPERCELLS ARE POSSIBLE...ESPECIALLY EARLY IN THE CONVECTIVE
CYCLE...IT APPEARS FRONTAL FORCING COULD LEAD TO AN ELONGATED BAND
OF ORGANIZED SEVERE STORMS ALONG THE ADVANCING COLD FRONT. LESS
CERTAINTY EXISTS ALONG THE DRY LINE ACROSS NWRN TX. IN ALL
LIKELIHOOD CONVECTION WILL REMAIN SOMEWHAT ISOLATED SOUTH OF THE RED
RIVER...THOUGH STRONGLY SHEARED STORMS SHOULD EXHIBIT SUPERCELL
CHARACTERISTICS. LARGE HAIL IS EXPECTED WITH CONVECTION ALONG WITH
DAMAGING WINDS. ACTIVITY SHOULD SPREAD INTO SRN IL/IND DURING THE
LATE EVENING HOURS...AND SOUTH OF THE RED RIVER AS THE COLD FRONT
DRIVES DEEP INTO TX.
venture 03-23-2015, 10:04 AM 12Z NAM 4KM Outputs for simulated reflectivity (radar) has the following solutions...
Tonight (around 3AM)...
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/NAM4KM/12/SGP/nam4kmSGP_prec_radar_020.gif
Tuesday at 7PM
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/NAM4KM/12/SGP/nam4kmSGP_prec_radar_036.gif
Wednesday at 7PM
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/NAM4KM/12/SGP/nam4kmSGP_prec_radar_060.gif
Soonerman12 03-23-2015, 10:46 AM Wednesday evening looks like we could get some pretty decent supercells. Only thing about it though is the time of evening these would be happening. These will likely be the type that blow up and COULD produce brief tornadoes but quickly die off after sunset. If the graphic is correct, we could be in for a busy night Wednesday. As all of you know it is now spring time in Oklahoma. As much as people hate it and despise storm chasers, this stuff will happen in OK no matter what. Please everyone just pay attention to the forecast and be aware. It is very important to keep an eye on this situation especially due to the time this could happen. These will most likely be night time storms which can be even more dangerous. Remember, even if this doesn't pan out it is important to have a plan of action and a weather radio ready.... Spring is here Oklahoma, be prepared not scared! -Taylor
LocoAko 03-23-2015, 11:52 AM The TLDR Overview...
Wednesday
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/23-outlook-wed.PNG
I'm not sold on moisture return, so no need to go crazy yet. ... Good moisture return/recovery expected with dews in the 60s over much of Oklahoma.... Now GFS, even though it is further east, does have similar moisture return. It is much tamer instability wise, but we are talking CAPE 1500-2000 j/kg versus NAM which has CAPE over 3000 j/kg. So we have to see which one is going to play out.... I am a little concern on recovery of the atmosphere and position of boundaries from Tuesday's activity. If NAM plays out as the scenario we have, this will be a pretty big day severe weather wise that we've had in a while....Now take all this with the understanding a lot of this depends on moisture return and daytime heating - as well as boundary positioning.
Looks like there are still big-time differences with moisture return on this morning's NAM and GFS runs, with the NAM having mid-upper 60s dewpoints in central OK by 00Z and the GFS only having mid-upper 40s at best -- making huge differences here in the metro. Don't like seeing such a huge discrepancy. Front is further NW slicing through the metro on the NAM and southeast of it on the GFS (at 00Z), obviously playing a big role in this. Like you said, the good moisture return is just further east on the GFS, so it does exist... but based on little more than the current drought situation I'm wary of accepting the NAM's mega dewpoints and subsequent instability. If I had to focus on one thing, I think moisture return is the thing to watch.
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/NAM/12/SGP/namSGP_sfc_dewp_060.gif
http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/GFS/12/SGP/gfsSGP_sfc_dewp_060.gif
Wednesday evening looks like we could get some pretty decent supercells. Only thing about it though is the time of evening these would be happening. These will likely be the type that blow up and COULD produce brief tornadoes but quickly die off after sunset. If the graphic is correct, we could be in for a busy night Wednesday. As all of you know it is now spring time in Oklahoma. As much as people hate it and despise storm chasers, this stuff will happen in OK no matter what. Please everyone just pay attention to the forecast and be aware. It is very important to keep an eye on this situation especially due to the time this could happen. These will most likely be night time storms which can be even more dangerous. Remember, even if this doesn't pan out it is important to have a plan of action and a weather radio ready.... Spring is here Oklahoma, be prepared not scared! -Taylor
Coincidentally, this Wednesday (March 25th) is the anniversary of the first-ever forecasted tornado, and it was an evening one (around 6 pm). Just a little Tinker AFB history for you all. There's a nice little monument in the park just outside the Air Depot gate.
John1744 03-23-2015, 01:16 PM Hmm out here in Harrah they just did a test of the tornado sirens. At 1:15 on a Monday.
Glad to see they're getting prepared.
venture 03-23-2015, 06:48 PM 18Z GFS is a bit slower with the dryline/front on Wednesday now, not exactly with the NAM...but possibly a trend.
venture 03-23-2015, 09:56 PM 00Z NAM Update...
No major changes. Initiation still planned for late afternoon/early evening near or just west of Central OK. Storms will push off to the east through the evening. Still looking for supercells along the dryline and then a linear setup along the cold front coming in from the north. We could see the wind or hail categories push this into an Enhanced risk, but slight is still good for now.
venture 03-24-2015, 12:11 AM SPC has upgraded the Metro area and much of Oklahoma to an Enhanced Risk for Wednesday.
(See Loco's post) :)
LocoAko 03-24-2015, 12:12 AM New Day 2 outlook is out from the SPC, with probabilities upped to Enhanced:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk_0600.gif
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2probotlk_0600_any.gif
...SRN PLAINS TO MID MS VALLEY...
STRONG MID-LEVEL SPEED MAX/SHORT-WAVE TROUGH WILL EJECT ACROSS THE
GREAT LAKES WEDNESDAY. IN THE WAKE OF THIS FEATURE...SECONDARY
SIGNIFICANT SHORT WAVE WILL DIG SEWD ACROSS THE CNTRL ROCKIES INTO
MEAN LONG WAVE TROUGH OVER THE CNTRL/SRN HIGH PLAINS BY EARLY
WEDNESDAY EVENING. IN RESPONSE...SFC ANTICYCLONE WILL BUILD ACROSS
THE PLAINS FORCING A STRONG POLAR FRONT ACROSS MUCH OF KS INTO THE
NRN TX PANHANDLE BY 25/18Z. THIS BOUNDARY WILL SURGE TO A POSITION
NEAR THE I-44 CORRIDOR ACROSS OK/MO BY EARLY EVENING.
LATEST SHORT-RANGE GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SUGGEST AT LEAST 60F SFC
DEW POINTS WILL EXTEND ACROSS THE WARM SECTOR PRIOR TO CONVECTIVE
DEVELOPMENT. OBSERVATIONAL DATA LATE THIS EVENING SEEMS SUPPORTIVE
OF THIS SCENARIO AS 60F DEW POINTS HAVE ALREADY ADVANCED INLAND TO
NEAR THE BALCONES ESCARPMENT. THIS AIR MASS SHOULD EASILY LIFT NWD
INTO OK AHEAD OF DRY LINE/COLD FRONT. ADDITIONALLY...STRONG HEATING
IS EXPECTED ACROSS NWRN TX INTO CNTRL OK WHERE SFC-3KM LAPSE RATES
WILL RANGE FROM 8-9C/KM. WITH COLD MID-LEVEL TEMPERATURES...ROUGHLY
MINUS 18C AT 500MB...AND SFC TEMPERATURES RISING INTO THE LOWER 80S
ACROSS SWRN OK...MODERATE INSTABILITY WILL BE IN PLACE FOR ROBUST
UPDRAFTS. LATEST THINKING IS CONVECTIVE INITIATION WILL OCCUR
AROUND 22-23Z AS CAP ERODES JUST AFTER PEAK HEATING. INITIAL STORMS
MAY BE DISCRETE...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE DRY LINE AHEAD OF WEAK SFC
LOW. HOWEVER...FRONTAL FORCING SHOULD QUICKLY ENCOURAGE AN
ORGANIZED BAND OF SEVERE CONVECTION ALONG THE I-44 CORRIDOR THAT
WILL PROPAGATE SEWD. HAIL...POSSIBLY IN EXCESS OF 2 INCHES...WILL
BE THE GREATEST THREAT WITH THIS ACTIVITY AND DAMAGING WINDS COULD
BE NOTED WITH STRONGER DOWNDRAFTS. ISOLATED SEVERE STORMS MAY
EXTEND NEWD ALONG THE POLAR FRONT ACROSS SRN MO...PERHAPS SPREADING
INTO SRN IL IF SUFFICIENT MOISTURE/INSTABILITY CAN RETURN TO THE
LOWER OH VALLEY BEFORE FRONTAL PASSAGE.
venture 03-24-2015, 12:56 AM Few storms over North Central OK...small hail main risk. Movement to the east.
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/24-1.PNG
Soonerman12 03-24-2015, 06:34 AM Venture.. If storms start to fire tomorrow, do you think there will be enough lift? Like I said yesterday, I believe these will be the typical march storms which will fire quickly and become severe rapidly and die off after the heating of the day. Where do you think will be the most likely area to see all modes of severe weather?
Anonymous. 03-24-2015, 08:37 AM GFS and NAM both further east/delayed with development. OKC could dodge this one, it will be close.
mblackwell 03-24-2015, 09:24 AM GFS and NAM both further east/delayed with development. OKC could dodge this one, it will be close.
How much further east?
Soonerman12 03-24-2015, 09:37 AM Anon... Further east like Tulsa (my area)? Do you think there will be enough wind shear and updraft for these storms to rotate, or most likely a hail/wind event? If the composite pans out it looks like the storms could be supercells to start off. But as you were saying if its further east the supercells would probably fire off around the Stillwater area instead of Enid.
Soonerman12 03-24-2015, 09:38 AM BTW, i'm referring to the Wednesday evening time frame.
Soonerman12 03-24-2015, 09:39 AM Damn, so has anyone noticed the composite reflectivity for Tuesday at 7pm?
LakeEffect 03-24-2015, 09:48 AM GFS and NAM both further east/delayed with development. OKC could dodge this one, it will be close.
Sweet... my replacement driveway/sidewalk is being formed and concrete installed this week. :)
Anonymous. 03-24-2015, 10:09 AM It will depend on the timing of the dryline/front to determine where they form. But as of latest data, I would place initiation to the extreme SE parts of the OKC metro, then really cranking in a wind-damaging line as they shove into eastern OK.
I-44 and points east should stay alert, but as of now it looks like initial hail threat quickly becoming wind threat as the entire line will fire up.
If I had to guess where storm will first fire at this time, I put them on a line from near Lawton to around Norman to near Harrah, east of most of OKC proper.
Soonerman12 03-24-2015, 10:38 AM Anon.. Are you talking about today or tomorrow?
Anonymous. 03-24-2015, 10:46 AM Tomorrow, extreme E and SE OK is the only play in our state, today.
venture 03-24-2015, 11:34 AM SPC should have the new Day 1 out here shortly...
12Z Model Discussion...
Today
NAM - Storms initiate today over SE MO and will backbuild towards Jay and Talequah. Through the evening and overnight storms could continue to back build until about McAlester before finally ending and pushing off to the east. NAM Sim Reflectivity does suggestion we could see a storm or two fire in South Central OK, but not nearly as favorable there for development. For Oklahoma...hail and wind main threats.
GFS - Storms initiate this afternoon from Vinita to Muskogee to McAlester, so further west than NAM.
Tomorrow
NAM - Storm initiation between 4PM and 7PM to the North and West of I-44...generally just to the west or far west sides of the Metro area. Supercells initial mode from OKC down to Lawton. Instability very high to extreme (CAPE 3500-4000 j/kg) over Central OK by mid afternoon. This all depends on moisture return, so we'll have to watch it. All modes possible early transferring to a wind threat as the cold front eventually undercuts storms after dark.
GFS - Initiates storms faster than NAM, between 1PM and 4PM from El Reno to Perry to Pawnee, building south along the front. GFS restricts a lot of development along the dryline, so it keeps SW OK dry. Instability is less than NAM, as usual, with a highly unstable atmosphere (CAPE ~2000 j/kg) ahead of the front. Forecast sounding has more of a wind threat with a large hail threat with earlier storms. Notable is GFS has slowly trended slower with the arrival of the cold front and much slower with the dryline. So we'll just need to watch.
venture 03-24-2015, 11:40 AM Short term discussion...
HRRR initiates storms over far Ottawa and Delaware counties around 5PM. Could also see a few additional storms over SE OK at this time. It then weakens those storms off and fires additional storms around 8PM over SE OK from McAlester up to Fort Smith, AR. Few of the storms could rotate with some larger hail.
SPC has maintained an ENHANCED risk over Delaware and Adair counties, with a SLIGHT risk over the of extreme NE OK back through much of East Central and Southeast Oklahoma.
venture 03-24-2015, 11:53 AM For those that enjoy comparing to past setups/events, here are the analogs CIPS just put out to compare the setup for tomorrow with past events. Severe weather pretty likely, but tornado output was low in the previous events.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4IuZzW8AENBKY.png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4IuGAXIAAJ3jr.png
venture 03-24-2015, 12:48 PM For Wednesday... Enhanced Risk remains for areas along I-44 and to the SE.
http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/2015-03/24-2.PNG
...SRN PLAINS...
A POSITIVELY-TILTED UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH WILL MOVE INTO THE SRN
ROCKIES AND CNTRL HIGH PLAINS ON WEDNESDAY AS A COLD FRONT ADVANCES
SWD ACROSS THE CNTRL AND SRN PLAINS. THE AIRMASS AHEAD OF THE FRONT
IS FORECAST TO BECOME MODERATELY UNSTABLE DURING THE DAY AS A
CAPPING INVERSION WEAKENS BY AFTERNOON. THESE FACTORS COMBINED WITH
INCREASING LOW-LEVEL CONVERGENCE WILL RESULT IN SFC-BASED
THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE BOUNDARY IN THE LATE AFTERNOON.
SEVERAL CONVECTIVE CLUSTERS SHOULD ORGANIZE LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
WITH MCS DEVELOPMENT POSSIBLE ACROSS THE REGION DURING THE EARLY
EVENING.
NAM FORECAST SOUNDINGS NEAR THE STRONGEST INSTABILITY AT 21Z
WEDNESDAY FOR TULSA AND OKLAHOMA CITY SWD TO NEAR THE RED RIVER SHOW
SFC DEWPOINTS FROM 60 TO 65 F WITH MLCAPE VALUES IN THE 2500 TO 3500
J/KG RANGE. THIS COMBINED WITH 0-6 KM SHEAR OF 45 TO 50 KT AND 850
TO 500 MB LAPSE RATES NEAR 8.5 C/KM SHOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR
SUPERCELLS WITH LARGE HAIL. CELLS THAT ARE DISCRETE EARLY IN THE
EVENT AND COINCIDE WITH MAXIMIZED INSTABILITY MAY PRODUCE HAILSTONES
OF GREATER THAN 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER. THE AMOUNT OF INSTABILITY
COMBINED WITH VERY STEEP LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL ALSO MAKE WIND
DAMAGE LIKELY WITH THE STRONGER CELLS. A TORNADO OR TWO CAN NOT BE
RULED OUT ESPECIALLY IF CELLS CAN BECOME ENHANCED BY MESOSCALE
INFLUENCES SUCH AS AN OUTFLOW BOUNDARY. HOWEVER...THE COLD FRONT IS
EXPECTED TO UNDERCUT THE CONVECTION AS STORM COVERAGE INCREASES IN
THE LATE AFTERNOON WHICH SHOULD MITIGATE THE TORNADO THREAT AS THE
EVENT UNFOLDS. ALTHOUGH SEVERE STORMS WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE ACROSS
NCNTRL AND WCNTRL TX...A CAPPING INVERSION SHOULD MAKE CONVECTIVE
DEVELOPMENT MORE ISOLATED WITH SWWD EXTENT.
jn1780 03-24-2015, 01:49 PM GFS and NAM both further east/delayed with development. OKC could dodge this one, it will be close.
Well, I guess it is that time of year when most of the storms are east of us.
venture 03-24-2015, 03:35 PM Well, I guess it is that time of year when most of the storms are east of us.
Typical March setups have storms fire near 35 and race east.
And holy cow...FIRST Severe Thunderstorm watch of the year - for the entire country...
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0005_radar.gif
venture 03-24-2015, 04:07 PM 18Z NAM Update for Wednesday...
NAM has taken a decided shift back to the west for initiation tomorrow. We could still see the first storm pop up around the Stillwater area by mid afternoon, but between 4PM and 7PM it has a an area of storms stretching from the Altus area to the NE over Rush Springs to El Reno and then up towards Guthrie/Perry/ and then back to the NE corner of OK. Between 7PM and 10PM is expected to be the heaviest rain for Oklahoma City. It has some areas getting over an inch to an inch and a half under the heaviest storms. Keep in mind, some of this is likely to be in those nice roundish frozen balls.
Much of the area ahead of the dryline and cold front is forecast to be extremely unstable. I still think this is mostly overdone, but not by much. We've been discussing questions about moisture return ahead of this system both today (Tuesday) and the one for tomorrow. Looking at the Mesonet we actually did manage to get dews into the lower 60s ahead of it. The main question will be how much the atmosphere can recover tonight with us just having the first "cold" front move through this afternoon.
Forecast soundings for the OKC/Norman area tomorrow at 4PM is pretty impressive for March. Wind profile is some what favorable for rotation, though low level winds are still not fully supportive of tornadic development. Large hail though is pretty likely for someone with the storms that do rotate. Cap is fairly weak to nonexistent by mid afternoon. The other saving grace in the tornado department are LCLs which are forecast to be somewhat high...base of the storms may only get to about 3000' off the ground. Of course, better moisture coming in could change that. Instability wise we have CAPEs forecast now over 4000 j/kg, Lifted Index at -11, SWEAT at nearly 600, BRN around 40, and Total Totals at 63. If we look at the Tornado Parameters on the sounding, considering we have some obstructions in place with the lower level moisture content, aren't extreme at all. Low level shear is pretty weak unless we get some localized influences near a rotating storm. We will have to watch any storms that remain isolated into the early evening as the low level jet kicks in, however we'll also have a front crashing in undercutting storms at the same time.
So just stay aware, this is probably going to get some hype since it has been a VERY long time since we had any real severe weather around here.
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Anonymous. 03-24-2015, 04:43 PM Yea with slower action, could see dryline fire, then sweeping line of storm with cold front. It will all happen so quickly.
The timing should be nice for peak heating. I would say heavy rain and wind threat is primary concern.
venture 03-24-2015, 05:07 PM 18Z GFS is mix compared to the NAM. It is slower dropping the front through early tomorrow afternoon, but then accelerates it to bypass the NAM's evening timing. Forecast sounding wise, still paints a really unstable picture for Central OK with winds a bit more favorable for damaging winds but large hail threat is going to be main risk early.
John1744 03-24-2015, 05:37 PM I didn't catch KFOR but David Payne is being very level headed about tomorrow, I figured they'd take the opportunity to hype the thing up.
venture 03-24-2015, 05:50 PM I didn't catch KFOR but David Payne is being very level headed about tomorrow, I figured they'd take the opportunity to hype the thing up.
Most are level headed, but I'm really annoyed at how non-uniform risk categories have become.
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