I saw where a building permit was issued about 3 weeks ago for $6.2 million for the land on the SW Corner of Memorial and May in which this is the old Bennigan's and Steak and Ale site? This seems to be a very "prime" spot of land for development which high traffic counts. Maybe Pete or any one else care to chime in as to what it may be developing? I believe that this land is owned by the same individual who wants to put a downtown hotel on the former Bodyworks site and he also purchased land that was the former BOA drive thru location in downtown?? Correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, it's owned by Fred Mazaheri who is the purported developer for the Bodyworks Site and the old Bank of America drive-thru.

It's called Memorial Plaza and will be office over retail with some out-parcels for sale. Pablano Grill is already built there.



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/memplaza1.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/memplaza2.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/memplaza3.jpg

That'll be cool!

Impressive. This is the kind of shopping center suburban OKC needs more of. Good to see more new shopping centers pushing the standard higher.

Pretty nice. It'll be good to have even more restaurants in that part of town, the architecture doesn't seem to be anything special though sadly.

Fugly. Seems like they're not even trying.

Fugly. Seems like they're not even trying.

What? For a suburban shopping center this is a significant step up from the norm in OKC.

Agree. The one thing I don't like is they seem like they are going with the "build it and they will come" approach with all the surface parking, so hopefully those lots get developed or we'll end up with a crappy parking lot with holes in it.

More info on it.

https://vimeo.com/66542785

Great to see this is moving forward!

More info on it.

https://vimeo.com/66542785

That is the best produced promotional video I've ever seen for a property.

They obviously decided to rename to Shoppes at Quail Springs.

Man, I made a thread for this a LOOOONNNGGGG time ago!

Glad it's finally happening.

Man, I made a thread for this a LOOOONNNGGGG time ago!

Glad it's finally happening.

Agreed. I forgot about this development.

It really reminds me of Spring Creek in Edmond.

That video is badass. I'd hate to be one of those houses behind that though.

There are lots of houses, apartments, zero lot line houses all within easy and safe walking distance from this. Should be good for the neighborhood.

That video is badass. I'd hate to be one of those houses behind that though.

Part of living in a growing suburban area is that retail and restaurants will be built nearby. It's hard to believe how many great things get blocked in Edmond due to NIMBYs worried about development bringing traffic and noise. I think if people want total seclusion, they need to live in a rural community.

Part of living in a growing suburban area is that retail and restaurants will be built nearby. It's hard to believe how many great things get blocked in Edmond due to NIMBYs worried about development bringing traffic and noise. I think if people want total seclusion, they need to live in a rural community.

I would think having a two story building between you and a busy turnpike would be a good thing. Blocks sound.

Part of living in a growing suburban area is that retail and restaurants will be built nearby. It's hard to believe how many great things get blocked in Edmond due to NIMBYs worried about development bringing traffic and noise. I think if people want total seclusion, they need to live in a rural community.+1000

Part of living in a growing suburban area is that retail and restaurants will be built nearby. It's hard to believe how many great things get blocked in Edmond due to NIMBYs worried about development bringing traffic and noise. I think if people want total seclusion, they need to live in a rural community.

So what like this has been blocked in Edmond that you are taking a shot at? Do you want EVERY development approved everywhere? Or is this just another pot shot at Edmond. Why even mention Edmond in connection to this project?

Part of living in a growing suburban area is that retail and restaurants will be built nearby. It's hard to believe how many great things get blocked in Edmond due to NIMBYs worried about development bringing traffic and noise. I think if people want total seclusion, they need to live in a rural community.

Naw I get that, my comment was directed more at the fact that the building looks like it's almost one a few of those peoples back yards. I think being close to it is cool, but I'd just hate being the houses that are right against the back of the building and parking lot. I think it would indeed block turnpike noise, but you may end up getting lighting pollution because of this.

Parking lot lights are on other side of the two story construction and should be focused down onto parking lot. Shouldn't be an issue with the homes behind it if lighting is designed decently well.

So what like this has been blocked in Edmond that you are taking a shot at? Do you want EVERY development approved everywhere? Or is this just another pot shot at Edmond. Why even mention Edmond in connection to this project?
Do you follow Edmond? Go there and ask those questions and I'll be perfectly happy to list the developments that have been denied because of dumbass nimbys. I honestly don't think that BChris was trying to make that a focal point, just merely point out that people who would be opposed to this like the ones in Edmond should move further out into a real rural area instead of being on the fringe of the city where stuff like this is likely to be built. I do understanding what Zuplar is saying though.

More info on it.

https://vimeo.com/66542785

Maybe I'm crazy but the renderings posted in the article and what is shown in the video are not the same? The product in the video seems to be slightly bigger and has a slightly altered design. I wonder which will be built.

More info on it.

https://vimeo.com/66542785

Two things...

First: That video was insanely informational and they put a lot of effort into it. Bravo.

Second: It also shows just how much undeveloped land there still is in that already booming area of North OKC... Traffic will be insufferable once a lot of it gets filled.

While it centered on his property and its advantages it just proves why Costco was looking a mile or so down the road, as well as why Chisholm Creek will do so well in attracting new retailers I believe. This area will only continue to grow and infill. Pete do you know why owns the property of vacant land directly across the street? In the past I always worried it will fill up with a few big box retailers but as big boxes become less popular someone could do something pretty special with that much land with the semi naturally creek/low area through it.

Second: It also shows just how much undeveloped land there still is in that already booming area of North OKC... Traffic will be insufferable once a lot of it gets filled.

This is why OKC needs to seriously think about widening certain roads to six lanes. Other cities have no problem handling the traffic in their primary retail corridors.

Does OKC have one six lane road or are they all owned and under control by ODOT?

One other thing I want to note, is I've measured this on Google earth and a lot of our six lane road are wider than Dallas's six lane roads. We have four lane roads here that are just about as wide as the six lane roads in Dallas and even rival traffic counts on some of those roads. That is why driving in Dallas is usually much more enjoyable than it is here except for their rush hour.

With lanes that wide, maybe you can squeeze an extra lane for turning right. In CA, if you plan on turning right, you can usually use the bike lane to an advantage and squeeze to the right of the cars going forward. Saves from having to wait in line if you just need to get to the intersection. Most cars waiting at the light know to pull a little to the left to accommodate the right turners.

Imo, that's just way too much surface parking. The ratio to surface parking and releasable space is like 3 to 1.

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Pardon my ignorance but what is a nimby?

Nimby - not in my backyard

Pardon my ignorance but what is a nimby?

Not In My Backyard

Do you follow Edmond? Go there and ask those questions and I'll be perfectly happy to list the developments that have been denied because of dumbass nimbys. I honestly don't think that BChris was trying to make that a focal point, just merely point out that people who would be opposed to this like the ones in Edmond should move further out into a real rural area instead of being on the fringe of the city where stuff like this is likely to be built. I do understanding what Zuplar is saying though.
I only lived there twenty out of the last twenty five years, so what do I know about what's going on there. Lol.

Not In My Back Yard

I only lived there twenty out of the last twenty five years, so what do I know about what's going on there. Lol.alright

Does OKC have one six lane road or are they all owned and under control by ODOT?

NW Expressway
NW 39th Expressway but yeah, that's about it. Sad. Especially considering traffic counts along Memorial Corridor

NW Expressway
NW 39th Expressway but yeah, that's about it. Sad. Especially considering traffic counts along Memorial Corridor

You're forgetting Classen Blvd., Lincoln Blvd., and Shields Ave.

Nimby - not in my backyard


Not In My Backyard


Not In My Back Yard

Thank you very much.

That video!
Wow.

You're forgetting Classen Blvd., Lincoln Blvd., and Shields Ave.now i could be wrong, but I don't think those are owned or controlled by the city. I am almost certain Lincoln is a state highway maintained by ODOT and I think the same for Shields. I am not sure about Classen however.

NW Expressway
NW 39th Expressway but yeah, that's about it. Sad. Especially considering traffic counts along Memorial Corridoryeah. Isn't 39th Expressway an ODOT road? Maybe not. I can't remember right now.

now i could be wrong, but I don't think those are owned or controlled by the city. I am almost certain Lincoln is a state highway maintained by ODOT and I think the same for Shields. I am not sure about Classen however.

Shields used to be Hwy. 77 but that designation was moved to the freeway. I won't say for sure that ODOT has nothing to do with Lincoln but I can't see anything that designates Lincoln as a state highway. And all of that has basically nothing to do with Shoppes at Quail Springs. LOL

True! :p

One other thing I want to note, is I've measured this on Google earth and a lot of our six lane road are wider than Dallas's six lane roads. We have four lane roads here that are just about as wide as the six lane roads in Dallas and even rival traffic counts on some of those roads. That is why driving in Dallas is usually much more enjoyable than it is here except for their rush hour.

I'm going to push back against this every time you post it. Driving in Dallas is an absolute nightmare when compared to driving in Oklahoma City. I base decisions about what to do in my life around Dallas traffic. I never did that in Oklahoma City. I don't know how you could possibly make a case otherwise.

I was just down there yesterday and has virtually no problem except i35E. Central Expressway was packed, but every road in north Dallas had better flowing traffic than here. You always seem to neglect I am NOT talking about Rush hour. It seems you are trying to argue for no reason on this.

I can usually drive around north Dallas faster and smoother than I can anywhere in OKC. You can also check out the traffic counts on Google Earth pro which is now free. I'd recommend checking it out. Dallas has bad traffic at times(mainly during Rush hour) but you are completely missing my point. Virtually every time I drive on the north Dallas tollway is smoothing except they've been adding a lane as of late so that is causing delays. I just don't know how you can overlook cities like ATL, Houston, LA and say Dallas is jam packed all the time. It simply isn't. Most of the time it's mainly during Rush hour. I'm going backs up there Friday to hang out, and I'll report on traffic conditions when I'm up there.

Dallas has probably the most smooth-flowing highways I've seen in a city its size. Houston, Atlanta, LA, etc are much, much worse as PluPan pointed out. Of course it is bad at rush hour but having rush hour traffic is a given when you live in a growing, vibrant city.

Dallas has probably the most smooth-flowing highways I've seen in a city its size. Houston, Atlanta, LA, etc are much, much worse as PluPan pointed out. Of course it is bad at rush hour but having rush hour traffic is a given when you live in a growing, vibrant city.

True. Dallas traffic still generally moves, and it's better than houston by a mile.

Dallas has probably the most smooth-flowing highways I've seen in a city its size. Houston, Atlanta, LA, etc are much, much worse as PluPan pointed out. Of course it is bad at rush hour but having rush hour traffic is a given when you live in a growing, vibrant city.+1


True. Dallas traffic still generally moves, and it's better than houston by a mile.thats my whole point. Other than Rush hour, accidents, and construction(things that happen in every major city including here), it is rare for the highways to be clogged due over congestion randomly. It happened to me on Central Expressway a couple Saturday's ago, but that was the first time in a LONG time it has happened. There is a reason for it.

Dallas has a an amazing highway system and I love that. For a city of 7 million, the highways are almost always moving and flowing outside of Rush hour and other things like wrecks and construction.

except for I-35

and 75.

I mean really... you say except for rush hour but that starts at 2 and ends at 8 in Dallas.... lol

35 in OKC comes to a crawl everyday.

Rush hour in Dallas starts around 3-3:30 and ends around 7 for the bumper to bumper stuff and then lingers until 7:30-8. Let's remember, this is city of 7 million people.

and 75.

I mean really... you say except for rush hour but that starts at 2 and ends at 8 in Dallas.... lol

Don't forget my personal hell, the Dallas North Tollway. Terrible traffic for at least 5-6 hours a day, and for the pleasure of driving on this you get to pay money. Isn't that GREAT??

Don't forget my personal hell, the Dallas North Tollway. Terrible traffic for at least 5-6 hours a day, and for the pleasure of driving on this you get to pay money. Isn't that GREAT??there is new construction on the north Dallas tollway to add a lane each way on it so there is going to be increased congestion. In 2012 the average traffic counts in between Uptown and 635 were 100-110 thousand. I-35 right by downtown OKC is at 130,000 the same year. To say the NDT is hell is laughable and shows your lack of knowledge about Dallas even though you live there which leads me to believe you're a liar and you're doing it on purpose.

Of course once you go north of 635, traffic gets worse, I am on the NDT nearly every other week and rarely have any issues and traffic moves at 65-80mph 9 times out of 10.

If you want bad highways in Dallas, I'd say 635, Stemmons Freeway, and 75 are among the worst and there is no comparable traffic in OKC. The spin that being attemtped on here is hilarious. Dallas has smooth traffic outside of Rush hour and OKC could learn from that. When I'm up there on Friday I'll time how long it takes me to get from Campbell and Preston to Stonebriar Mall in Frisco(close to 10 miles or so), in a metro of 7 million vs. how long it takes me to get from Covell and Coltrane(not using highways) and I'll prove Dallas is faster.


Wider highways with service roads and six lane blvds are the best way to go. The grid system sucks. If you want, I can make a video for you. I'll treat both routes equally. I'll probably drive 5-10 over when possible, no running lights or weaving through traffic, no highways, and for Edmond I'll take Covell to Penn and Dallas I'll take Preston to Gaylord.

Way, way off topic here guys.

Thanks.

So, any predictions for what might go in here?

Overview as of September 25th

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/587/22563236940_ec1fff7ed3_o.png

Couldn't get a picture but the structure is now completely up on this project.