I wonder how leasing is looking for this. In terms of design, this shopping center is a bit more modern than most others in the area.

Damn this thing is huge. I guess I didn't realize how big it was going to be.

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Oh man I just re-read it.

Traffic on EB Memorial already backs up nearly a mile at May, and backs up tremendously WB. I won't be visiting this new area of Shoppes, as I already pretty much avoid anything along the Memorial corridor.

Traffic on EB Memorial already backs up nearly a mile at May, and backs up tremendously WB. I won't be visiting this new area of Shoppes, as I already pretty much avoid anything along the Memorial corridor.

With this development, and Penn/Memorial already a clusterf***, and Chisholm Creek a mile further east, that whole stretch of Memorial is going to be absolutely, totally horrible to drive on unless something is done (and I'm not sure anything *can* be done). Hopefully we'll get moved further into the city next year so we won't ever have to deal with it. :)

With this development, and Penn/Memorial already a clusterf***, and Chisholm Creek a mile further east, that whole stretch of Memorial is going to be absolutely, totally horrible to drive on unless something is done (and I'm not sure anything *can* be done). Hopefully we'll get moved further into the city next year so we won't ever have to deal with it. :)

It already is a cluster, even if you use the KTP, getting off the turnpike is still near impossible. I'm not sure why the city didn't widen Memorial out to 3 lanes and put Texas turnarounds at all intersections. Why they did it on the west side of Penn and not the east side of Penn is beyond me, especially since they tore up the east side of Penn a few years ago to do some basic maintenance work, it would have been prime time to put in a Texas turnaround. This city is beyond me when it comes to traffic engineering. Memorial between Rockwell and Sante Fe should be widened to 3 lanes along with turnarounds at each intersection to accommodate for existing and future growth.

It already is a cluster, even if you use the KTP, getting off the turnpike is still near impossible. I'm not sure why the city didn't widen Memorial out to 3 lanes and put Texas turnarounds at all intersections. Why they did it on the west side of Penn and not the east side of Penn is beyond me, especially since they tore up the east side of Penn a few years ago to do some basic maintenance work, it would have been prime time to put in a Texas turnaround. This city is beyond me when it comes to traffic engineering. Memorial between Rockwell and Sante Fe should be widened to 3 lanes along with turnarounds at each intersection to accommodate for existing and future growth.

I agree. The time to do it is now before all of this opens up.

If you want bad highways in Dallas, I'd say 635, Stemmons Freeway, and 75 are among the worst and there is no comparable traffic in OKC. The spin that being attemtped on here is hilarious. Dallas has smooth traffic outside of Rush hour and OKC could learn from that. When I'm up there on Friday I'll time how long it takes me to get from Campbell and Preston to Stonebriar Mall in Frisco(close to 10 miles or so), in a metro of 7 million vs. how long it takes me to get from Covell and Coltrane(not using highways) and I'll prove Dallas is faster.


Wider highways with service roads and six lane blvds are the best way to go. The grid system sucks. If you want, I can make a video for you. I'll treat both routes equally. I'll probably drive 5-10 over when possible, no running lights or weaving through traffic, no highways, and for Edmond I'll take Covell to Penn and Dallas I'll take Preston to Gaylord.

Covell and Coltrane is not comparable to Stonebriar. The Dallas equivalent would be Prosper or Azle. Compare apples to apples.

Covell and Coltrane is not comparable to Stonebriar. The Dallas equivalent would be Prosper or Azle. Compare apples to apples.Okay? My point was Dallas traffic flows outside of rush hour. Living in L.A. only proves my point even further, at least for me.

Another thing I have found is traffic in the suburbs with 6-8 lane roads and 10-14 lanes in Orange County and the Valley almost always moves outside of rush hour. The traffic that really backs up hardcore almost any time of the day except for the early morning hours is around West and Central L.A. which is heavily urbanized. I have found the same thing to be true with Chicago. Outside of rush hour, traffic on the wide, less walkable streets moves quickly, yet traffic in the urbanized parts where the pedestrian comes first is always backed up.

So the reason I say that was because it seems like proponents of new urbanism and walkability(which are totally awesome environments and set-ups as I'm moving more towards pro-urbanism) seem to use the argument of induced demand or that traffic will always be a nightmare in suburbia because there too many cars or whatever and I have seen that is simply not the case. I even saw an article a year ago about how some area in Sydney became urban and moved to become more dense and then saw a huge increase in automobile traffic.

Now I get the point is to get people away from cars entirely, but cars provide a huge advantage. IMO, it allows a city to be more diverse, allows for a better range of living choices, and you simply can't supply suburbia with same mass transit you do for urbanland. It isn't feasible.

It already is a cluster, even if you use the KTP, getting off the turnpike is still near impossible. I'm not sure why the city didn't widen Memorial out to 3 lanes and put Texas turnarounds at all intersections. Why they did it on the west side of Penn and not the east side of Penn is beyond me, especially since they tore up the east side of Penn a few years ago to do some basic maintenance work, it would have been prime time to put in a Texas turnaround. This city is beyond me when it comes to traffic engineering. Memorial between Rockwell and Sante Fe should be widened to 3 lanes along with turnarounds at each intersection to accommodate for existing and future growth.

I agree, OKC has to have the worst traffic planning in the country. Expand 122nd and Hefner for the 60 cars an hour, don't touch Penn and Memorial. And don't even get my started on the lack of turn lanes.

I agree, OKC has to have the worst traffic planning in the country. Expand 122nd and Hefner for the 60 cars an hour, don't touch Penn and Memorial. And don't even get my started on the lack of turn lanes.

OKC has a fantastic vehicle transportation network.

Come to Porland I'll show you crappy vehicle planning (but great transit).

OKC has a fantastic vehicle transportation network.

Come to Porland I'll show you crappy vehicle planning (but great transit).

I agree, OKC isn't that bad. Overall the setup is good. What I meant is they waste money expanding roads no body uses, while they don't do anything to their main commercial areas.

I agree, OKC isn't that bad. Overall the setup is good. What I meant is they waste money expanding roads no body uses, while they don't do anything to their main commercial areas.

I can agree with this. I have many times wondered why certain roads are widened while others, which seem like they need it much more, are left alone.

Shoppes at Quail Springs to expand retail on Memorial Road corridor | News OK (http://newsok.com/shoppes-at-quail-springs-to-expand-retail-on-memorial-road-corridor/article/5494595)

I've driven by this site for the last year or so. For a while there was pretty quick progress but over the last month or so it seems like things have pretty much come to a halt. Anyone know what happened?

This is the point in the project where they're working internally, plumbing, electrical, sheetrock and painting. Additionally, depending on the tenant they could be waiting to configure some interior spaces until those are lined up. You should see openings by the end of the summer!

Video of the progress:

https://www.facebook.com/310855817860/videos/10153880114062861/

I heard that Bonjor, one of my favorite new restaurants, will be moving into a 2,500 sq ft space here. Very excited to not have to wait 30 minutes for a table during lunch!

I heard that Bonjor, one of my favorite new restaurants, will be moving into a 2,500 sq ft space here. Very excited to not have to wait 30 minutes for a table during lunch!

Yep, they're going to be renamed Cafe Melange, apparently, and be open for breakfast, lunch, *and* dinner.

This is great news to hear! Hope they keep some of their menu.

This is a pretty large site and space. Anyone know any other tenants that are lined up for going in here?

I live in Quail Creek and was wondering if anyone has heard of any possible tenants for the new development on the corner of May and Memorial? It's odd to me that nothing has come out or maybe I just missed any announcements.

A Japanese BBQ place is going in and Cultivar has been trying to sign a deal as well.

What kind of Japanese BBQ? Cultivar #2 ? Anyone have more details on either places? This will be up the street from my new office, so I'm very interested.

I heard a rumor that Whole Foods is going to be the anchor tenant here... anyone heard the same?

As someone (Thomas Vu, I believe) said in another thread, Cafe Melange appears to be dead (for now) due to the site apparently not being ready in time for them. :(

I heard a rumor that Whole Foods is going to be the anchor tenant here... anyone heard the same?

No, and I seriously doubt this is even possible.

The center was not built for an anchor tenant of any type and thus there isn't a large enough space for something like Whole Foods.

As someone (Thomas Vu, I believe) said in another thread, Cafe Melange appears to be dead (for now) due to the site apparently not being ready in time for them. :(this thing has taken way longer than it should it seems. I don't blame them.

No, and I seriously doubt this is even possible.

The center was not built for an anchor tenant of any type and thus there isn't a large enough space for something like Whole Foods.

My first thought goes to the WF at 13th and Webb in Wichita. Its not a large space.

It has to be somewhat deep with loading docks, etc.

You can't just put a full grocery store in a strip mall.

I wonder if it could explain why its taking so long because they are figuring out how to make it work. I find it hard to believe as well but the potential source of of the information is in a position where they would know what is going on. I doubt its true but we'll see.

Something bigger could fit in the area of the lot where the old restaurant used to be, the space is there for something freestanding. But I don't think it would be big enough for a Whole Foods. Maybe someone can compare the sizes on Google Maps. I'm surprised nothing has been put in the SE corner of that intersection though.

Decided to play around with it a little bit.

This is a (rough) comparison of having a store the same size as the one on Western in this space:

http://i.imgur.com/bg1Rdff.jpg

This is the same store reduced to 80%:

http://i.imgur.com/2AR4pH0l.jpg

They could probably play around with it if they wanted to and make it work, and I would be happy to have a Whole Foods this close to my house, but I think more people would have heard about it by now if it was being considered.

It has to be somewhat deep with loading docks, etc.

You can't just put a full grocery store in a strip mall.

Take a look at the Google Earth shot of the WF I'm talking about in Wichita and tell me they couldn't make that work in the far SE portion of this development.

Why wouldn't they just build one on the corner across the street?

Why wouldn't they just build one on the corner across the street?

there is ample room between the creek and the corner

one thing is for sure, the OTA has GOT to do something with both the May and Penn (especially Penn) interchanges with Memorial. They need to move back the Penn exit about a 1/4 mile.

Take a look at the Google Earth shot of the WF I'm talking about in Wichita and tell me they couldn't make that work in the far SE portion of this development.

I did. That store is 35,000 square feet!

Even piecing together space in this center, the best you could get is about 20,000SF of oddly-shaped floorspace. Grocery stores what rectangles built to their specs.

Plus there are no docks and you can't just create them back there because that building has office space above.

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Two restaurants going into this center: All About Pho and Wagyu Asian BBQ.

The shops AT QUAIL SPRINGS

Isn't Salata also going in here in addition to the restaurants named above?

Isn't Salata also going in here in addition to the restaurants named above?

Yes.

Two restaurants going into this center: All About Pho and Wagyu Asian BBQ.

They need better/more clever names. Like Friend or Pho, or maybe Pho Nomenal.

Friend or Pho

Hilarious!

They need better/more clever names. Like Friend or Pho, or maybe Pho Nomenal.

I'm pretty sure Pho Nomenal is already in use here.... I always thought Un Pho Get A Bowl would be a good name.

I always thought Un Pho Get A Bowl would be a good name.
Haha!

Un-Pho-Gettable

However, the hands-down winner has already been taken by Pho Kim Long. I mean, come on...

Un-Pho-Gettable

However, the hands-down winner has already been taken by Pho Kim Long. I mean, come on...

That one appears to be pretty popular. A google search gets hits all over the country for it.... and there is also the runner-up of Pho Kim Long II in Vegas.

Pho-real!? ^

Pho Sho Asian/Soul food fusion

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I like it. And I know this was planned before I left on a mission trip in 2015. So the current projects around with residential in a mixed-use development were still in infancy. That said i can't see why we would do anything that doesn't include residential to go along with retail.

hmmm... wagyu japanese bbq?

hmmm... wagyu japanese bbq?

I saw that too. That and the all about pho. I thought only salata was there.

Hate to say but kinda underwhelming tenants so far.

I like it. And I know this was planned before I left on a mission trip in 2015. So the current projects around with residential in a mixed-use development were still in infancy. That said i can't see why we would do anything that doesn't include residential to go along with retail.

I agree with this sentiment, but a lot of people in OKC like to have that 0.5 acre where the kids can play and the dogs can roam. And people who are really interested in pursuing a new urbanism lifestyle probably aren't looking to buy at May and Memorial. Those folks are likely more interested in Midtown or the Paseo. So I can't necessarily blame Mazaheri for not including a residential component here.

Neither place had any details about it in terms of when they were opening or anything. Surprised they got the sign up so quick.

Pho Sho Asian/Soul food fusion

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Went to the Salata place today. They brought by a bunch of BOGO coupons by our work. It is very good. Very similar to Coolgreens

I agree with this sentiment, but a lot of people in OKC like to have that 0.5 acre where the kids can play and the dogs can roam. And people who are really interested in pursuing a new urbanism lifestyle probably aren't looking to buy at May and Memorial. Those folks are likely more interested in Midtown or the Paseo. So I can't necessarily blame Mazaheri for not including a residential component here.

Great point chuck. Really great point. And I have to say this just to be clear I didn't intend to be negative at all just thinking out loud.

But to further the discussion, I recently visited a project by GAry Brooks "the edge". Wow, roof top pool? Ok....but a roof top dog park? I mean, I think as time passes by folks are finding more and more ways to fuse urban and suburban while fostering walkable communities with mixed-use functionality and neat landscaping that encourages an outdoor room concept. I want our developers to encourage and challenge each other to up their game. That's all I hope for but surely I have been one to suggest in plenty of other posts how i am just as elated to see any development happen whether i like it or not.

Essentially, I think we as consumers have the choice whether to support developments that don't meet our desires. This alone will encourage and almost force developers to "up their game."

Just my 2 cents