I love the Ejets over the CRJ's. I recently booked a trip to Calgary on Delta and ended up picking MSP over SLC simply because of the EMB-170 rather than the CRJ-900. It may have been a few bucks more but the EMBs are def. much more roomier IMO.

I've done the same thing. They're much more comfortable.

I love the Ejets over the CRJ's. I recently booked a trip to Calgary on Delta and ended up picking MSP over SLC simply because of the EMB-170 rather than the CRJ-900. It may have been a few bucks more but the EMBs are def. much more roomier IMO.

Writing from the sky club in atl, I will tell you that I will as almost anything to avoid that miserable msp-OKC route. Last year I flew sfo-atl-OKC to avoid msp.

Writing from the sky club in atl, I will tell you that I will as almost anything to avoid that miserable msp-OKC route. Last year I flew sfo-atl-OKC to avoid msp.

What's wrong with MSP? I always found it pleasant to connect through. I kind of miss it since I dumped DL for AA. Always meant to pick up a North Stars shirt but never got around to it.

They fly tiny little 2 and 1 crjs with no first class. Tiny tiny plane for 2 hours...especially if you are a big guy.

They fly tiny little 2 and 1 crjs with no first class. Tiny tiny plane for 2 hours...especially if you are a big guy.

You'll be pleased to hear that in the fall schedule it is CRJ900 with FC.

They fly tiny little 2 and 1 crjs with no first class. Tiny tiny plane for 2 hours...especially if you are a big guy.

Fair enough - from your post I misinterpreted that your issue was with MSP, not the CR2s - totally agree - I'd also avoid the CR2 at all costs!

There was a flight coming in this morning on the east runway about 917 am. It appeared to be a mid size to larger dual prop plane. No real marking on it. Anyone have any info on the plane or flight? Just curious as it looked a little out of place and came in at a weird angle

Flightaware shows a Cessna 421 arriving from Poteau around that time, that's it

There was a flight coming in this morning on the east runway about 917 am. It appeared to be a mid size to larger dual prop plane. No real marking on it. Anyone have any info on the plane or flight? Just curious as it looked a little out of place and came in at a weird angle

Could have been one of the new OKANG aircraft - wouldn't show up on Flightaware. They are larger, twin props (MC-12W). Air National Guard unit transitions with arrival of MC-12W aircraft (http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/guard-reserve/2015/07/22/air-national-guard-unit-transitions-arrival-mc-12w-aircraft/30531949/)

Wasn't Cessna. I don't think it was the MC-12W as it looked larger, wider and I thought it had snub nose versus pointed nose. Not sure whether it had 2 or 4 props but think 2.

The U.S. Marshals operates a fleet of Saab 2000's to supplement their 737 fleet.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Etihad_Saab_2000_take_off.jpg

The U.S. Marshals operates a fleet of Saab 2000's to supplement their 737 fleet.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Etihad_Saab_2000_take_off.jpg

Winner Winner! That was the plane. would also explain why it didn't have any markings. Thanks Catch. It came in from the east over the area just south of SW 44 and banked hard to south to land. Seemed odd as most of the commercial planes I see and fly seem to fly over a little further north of SW 15th street before turning

I guess Love Field is about to get pretty congested. And then there's "feud" between DL and WN:

Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20150805-southwest-delta-feud-over-love-field-gate.ece)

I guess Love Field is about to get pretty congested. And then there's "feud" between DL and WN:

Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20150805-southwest-delta-feud-over-love-field-gate.ece)

I'm actually sitting at Love Field right now. They've been running the full schedule for about 4-6 months now and while it's definitely more crowded, I've never spend much time waiting in lines here. It will still get more crowded but it seems rebuilt well to handle it.

https://twitter.com/fly_okc/status/631105556946620417

Allegiant air to start 2 flights daily to Las Vegas beginning Nov 5

Interesting in-depth report from an aviation fansite about AA's Tulsa ops: Inside the World's Largest Airline Owned Maintenance & Engineering Base: American Airlines Tulsa (http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/08/11/inside-the-worlds-largest-airline-owned-maintenance-engineering-base-american-airlines-tulsa/)

https://twitter.com/fly_okc/status/631105556946620417

Allegiant air to start 2 flights daily to Las Vegas beginning Nov 5
That's great news

I believe that's twice weekly flights, not daily.

Yes you are correct

It may be great if they go on the days you want and you don't mind paying for all of the extra fees they charge. In many cases the Southwest Airlines every day nonstop flights may be less expensive after all of the extras are added in to Allegiant's price. In can cost up to $100.00 roundtrip for a checked or carry on bag. They tried this route a few years ago but it didn't stay around for very long. We'll see what happens this time.

The numbers are out

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/July2015Enplanement.pdf

Alaska operated 30 RT's in July, out of 31 scheduled. (Had one cancelled RT in July)

This means they flew 2,280 seats each way. They boarded 2,150 to Seattle, and deplaned 2,123. This brings a load factor of 94% and 93% respectively.

It seems to be a hit, hopefully it is profitable.

I noticed that Allegiant flies Tulsa to Tampa, Orlando, Los Angeles and Vegas but only flies OKC- Orlando and Vegas. I once heard that Allegiants aircraft were former AA MD-80s. Does Tulsa really have that much leisure traffic to support that number of routes or is Allegiant having work done on the planes in Tulsa?

I noticed that Allegiant flies Tulsa to Tampa, Orlando, Los Angeles and Vegas but only flies OKC- Orlando and Vegas. I once heard that Allegiants aircraft were former AA MD-80s. Does Tulsa really have that much leisure traffic to support that number of routes or is Allegiant having work done on the planes in Tulsa?

Don't know all the details but the flights are incentivized or supplemented as a part of their air service initiative (http://www.tulsaairports.com/flight-information/tulsa-regional-air-service-initiative/).

I believe that's twice weekly flights, not daily.

News reports said Thursday and Sunday service.

Full news release on Allegiant announcement can be found here: Allegiant OKC-LAS (http://www.flyokc.com/releases/OKC-LASAllegiant.pdf)

News reports said Thursday and Sunday service.
That is way too long in Vegas

Allegiant's model was based off of serving smaller markets with leisure destinations. Tulsa and Wichita both have better service on Allegiant than OKC. Allegiant doesn't serve many larger markets.

I flew Allegiant from OKC to Sanford (Orlando) last month. It wasn't bad. The seats could have been more comfortable but it was a direct flight of less than 2 hours. I could stand on my head for two hours if the price was right - and it was ($220 round trip). The cheapest I have flown from OKC to Jax on other airlines is about $450. The big down side was having to get back to Sanford for a 8AM departure. Yes Allegiant charges for everything and they are stickler on their luggage weight (I had to take a pair of jeans out of my suitcase and take it back to the car), but if one can survive 2 hours without a cup of soda there is no need to incur the extra charges.

Omaha is getting a 2nd daily non-stop to DCA - first Delta, now Southwest.

Southwest Airlines adds daily nonstop flight from Omaha to D.C. - Omaha.com: Money (http://www.omaha.com/money/southwest-airlines-adds-daily-nonstop-flight-from-omaha-to-d/article_4b607de4-4043-11e5-895c-a77a297230e8.html)

With our large Federal (military) presence in Oklahoma, I'm surprised we don't have a daily non-stop (unless I recalling incorrectly).

No OKC-DCA, but OKC-IAD on United and OKC-BWI on Southwest.

Just to add to adaniel's comment, would love to have Reagan (DCA). In fact, Reagan and Laguardia (LGA) are consistently at the top of the list when we approach airlines about adding nonstops.

How about adding Austin or San Antonio? :)

San Antonio is in the top 5.

As a guy who grew up in Northern Va and used DCA as my home airport... I'm OK not having service to DCA right now since we have service to BWI and IAD. I'd rather have service to PHL over DCA on AA if we had to choose one of the hubs.

Saw this flight divert from Chicago enroute to Mexico. Anyone know what's up?11387

Saw on a.net that United is dropping service to EWR in Feb, March and April of next year. Anyone have any additional info?

If I'm remembering correctly, that has happened before and they started it again afterwards. I'm sure that catch22 will know.

If I'm remembering correctly, that has happened before and they started it again afterwards. I'm sure that catch22 will know.

Lj is right, seasonal adjustment that happened last year as well.

I got back from Seattle yesterday and the Alaska flight stems to be doing very well. Both of my flights were 100% capacity and the flight back was oversold. The crew was very friendly. Will definitely fly with them again.

August numbers for Alaska:

RT's operated: 31

Outbound:
2,356 seats offered.
2,064 seats sold
87.6% LF

Inbound:
2,356 seats offered
2,213 seats sold
93.9%LF

Combined:
4,712 seats offered, 4,277 seats sold. 90.7% average LF

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/August2015Enplanement.pdf

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/August2015Enplanement.pdf

Thanks! Forgot to paste the link

Is 90% considered good? What capacity % is considered good?

Is 90% considered good? What capacity % is considered good?

Historically, 80%+ is good. With cheap fuel, an even lower number can be profitable.

LF is not a solid indicator of profitability, however it is a good thing the flights are full. Hopefully they are filling it with profitable fares.

Allegiant showing great growth, as well as United. Frontier pulling it is hurting us overall, but Alaska has to be impressed with how well the new route is going.

August numbers for Alaska:

RT's operated: 31

Outbound:
2,356 seats offered.
2,064 seats sold
87.6% LF

Inbound:
2,356 seats offered
2,213 seats sold
93.9%LF

Combined:
4,712 seats offered, 4,277 seats sold. 90.7% average LF

That is fantastic! Come on AS - time to add a 2nd daily!

and/or mainline Alaska 737-800. :)

Frontier has been trying to become Spirit Airlines 2nd. Though they have turned profitable, their customer satisfaction has been rock bottom. They fired the CEO responsible for this. With some lobbying from the city, perhaps they could be convinced to return. Considering some of the small cities they serve, OKC would have to present more opportunity.

Frontier has been trying to become Spirit Airlines 2nd. Though they have turned profitable, their customer satisfaction has been rock bottom. They fired the CEO responsible for this. With some lobbying from the city, perhaps they could be convinced to return. Considering some of the small cities they serve, OKC would have to present more opportunity.

Frontier and Spirit should merge - after all Frontier management came from NK. They could become a formidable competitor to the big three, at least domestically (and Caribbean). Not sure I see NK or F9 back in OKC unless that happened.

Sub $200 nonstop flights to LAS are a great thing for our market, I'm happy allegiant came back to this market. i'm trying to remember, but 7 or 9 years ago i took allegiant to vegas.

How often is the city level passenger data available?

How often is the city level passenger data available?

WRWA > STATISTICS (http://www.flyokc.com/statistics.aspx)

I guess whenever they get it posted. Usually takes about 2 weeks or so for the previous month.

Yeah it takes a couple weeks. I was looking earlier this morning and Sept hasn't posted yet.

Usually around the 10th they post the passenger data. And around the 18th for operational stats.

Posted: http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/September2015Enplanement.pdf

I'll be interested to see how this new airline performs. Similar to the Great Plains Airlines experiment of connecting regional cities ignored by the big airlines. GLO will offer daily non-stop flights from New Orleans (MSY) to Little Rock, Memphis and Shreveport. Maybe OKC could be a future add?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/startup-air-provider-glo-launches-132300704.html

Well our hopes of hitting 4 million this year, though we've probably known for a couple months, are pretty much over.

A friendly reminder that aircraft can always change. I booked a flight in January to DEN on United on what was originally the Q-400. Received an email today that it was changed to an A-319. Cool!

So my wife and I are finally guilty of contributing to the leakage to DFW. Last minute trip to LA - tickets out of OKC were $700+ each, out of DFW barely over $200, and this is on AA, not Spirit. At least we'll get to have dinner with friends tonight. That drive back when we return is going to be hell though. Bizarre but makes sense given low oil prices and AA aggressively matching Spirit's fares. If only OKC was a big enough market for Spirit, I'm sure we'd see fares go down across the board here. Hopefully we don't have to do this again!

So my wife and I are finally guilty of contributing to the leakage to DFW. Last minute trip to LA - tickets out of OKC were $700+ each, out of DFW barely over $200, and this is on AA, not Spirit. At least we'll get to have dinner with friends tonight. That drive back when we return is going to be hell though. Bizarre but makes sense given low oil prices and AA aggressively matching Spirit's fares. If only OKC was a big enough market for Spirit, I'm sure we'd see fares go down across the board here. Hopefully we don't have to do this again!Where did you see that? I've been paying for last minute tickets out of OKC for no more than $500.

Have you checked out CheapOair? Sometimes they have good prices.