Moved several posts about the music venue here:

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At yesterday's DDRC meeting, Burnett & Beffort did their information-only presentation to the committee and several new details emerged, although they emphasized everything is conceptual at this point:


They hope to do all 5 blocks simultaneously, including the two on the north side of Main Street. Said they the main issue is staging for the 7 separate projects (these 5 blocks plus 21c plus the music venue) but were hoping to find an off-site staging area.
They would like to close Fred Jones north of Main, then have apartments on the west and east ends of the block with a parking structure in between.
There would be about 8,500 square feet of retail space on the NE corner of Classen & Main; said they are "far along" in discussions with a tenant to take all the space (perhaps Walgreens or CVS? Although that is small for their stores, could be an urban version)
They already have an LOI signed for the 4,000 SF restaurant space on the NW corner of Sheridan and Fred Jones
320 total units, 800 spaces which would included parking for all their development plus 21c and ADG and the music venue
There would be a large water feature were Fred Jones would terminate on the north side of Main Street
The reason for the dog park along Classen are huge OG&E power lines and easement along the strip that are cost-prohibitive to relocate
They hope to submit finalized plans to the DDRC in August

Any ideas on the restaurant that signed a LOI?

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Pete on #4 do you mean NE? Unless i'm looking at it wrong, which is always possible, the NW would be the music venue/ restaurant which is already happening. Also, 4,000 sq/ft doesn't sound like a huge space does anyone have any local comparisons on size so I can picture it.

Pete on #4 do you mean NE? Unless i'm looking at it wrong, which is always possible, the NW would be the music venue/ restaurant which is already happening. Also, 4,000 sq/ft doesn't sound like a huge space does anyone have any local comparisons on size so I can picture it.

Republic at Classen Curve is ~4,800 sf. I had heard they had interest in Film Row, but I'm questioning if they would want to go into a building that size.

At yesterday's DDRC meeting, Burnett & Beffort did their information-only presentation to the committee and several new details emerged, although they emphasized everything is conceptual at this point:


They hope to do all 5 blocks simultaneously, including the two on the north side of Main Street. Said they the main issue is staging for the 7 separate projects (these 5 blocks plus 21c plus the music venue) but were hoping to find an off-site staging area.
They would like to close Fred Jones north of Main, then have apartments on the west and east ends of the block with a parking structure in between.
There would be about 8,500 square feet of retail space on the NE corner of Classen & Main; said they are "far along" in discussions with a tenant to take all the space (perhaps Walgreens or CVS? Although that is small for their stores, could be an urban version)
They already have an LOI signed for the 4,000 SF restaurant space on the NW corner of Sheridan and Fred Jones
320 total units, 800 spaces which would included parking for all their development plus 21c and ADG and the music venue
There would be a large water feature were Fred Jones would terminate on the north side of Main Street
The reason for the dog park along Classen are huge OG&E power lines and easement along the strip that are cost-prohibitive to relocate
They hope to submit finalized plans to the DDRC in August


I am very impressed they are going to do everything simultaneously. Hopefully a CVS or Walgreens ends up being part of the deal.

^^ Thanks! Any good egg concept would be awesome there. This truly could transform this side of downtown and hopefully encourage others to follow suite.

I wouldn't be surprised if that space were occupied by a high-end national chain.

I wouldn't be surprised if that space were occupied by a high-end national chain.

McCormick and Schmicks maybe? One can only dream.

This project sounds better and better every time we get more details about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that space were occupied by a high-end national chain.

Don't think so, but what could be going there could be even cooler.

Don't think so, but what could be going there could be even cooler.

Pete,

Were you able to find any information on the street project we talked about from Shartel to Classen?

Incredible to think that a few weeks ago when we meet none of this was announced and we were extremely happy with our new location, now it just feel like a blessing.

That Danny Bowien guy is from the OKC area. Maybe he could open a Mission Chinese Food here. NYC, San Fran, OKC.

Pete,

Were you able to find any information on the street project we talked about from Shartel to Classen?

Incredible to think that a few weeks ago when we meet none of this was announced and we were extremely happy with our new location, now it just feel like a blessing.

I haven't found anything in the works on the City side; could just be conversations at this point.

I haven't found anything in the works on the City side; could just be conversations at this point.

Well, I'm definitely not in a hurry to have the streets torn up right as we are opening. Luckily we have a possible back entrance area we could utilize if needed.

I would think that with all this development at the west end of downtown they will bring the streetscape all the way to Classen on both Sheridan and Main.

You can pretty much count on the 21c and Hall Capital projects to adhere to P180 standards and that is several blocks.

At yesterday's DDRC meeting, Burnett & Beffort did their information-only presentation to the committee and several new details emerged, although they emphasized everything is conceptual at this point:


They hope to do all 5 blocks simultaneously, including the two on the north side of Main Street. Said they the main issue is staging for the 7 separate projects (these 5 blocks plus 21c plus the music venue) but were hoping to find an off-site staging area.
They would like to close Fred Jones north of Main, then have apartments on the west and east ends of the block with a parking structure in between.
There would be about 8,500 square feet of retail space on the NE corner of Classen & Main; said they are "far along" in discussions with a tenant to take all the space (perhaps Walgreens or CVS? Although that is small for their stores, could be an urban version)
They already have an LOI signed for the 4,000 SF restaurant space on the NW corner of Sheridan and Fred Jones
320 total units, 800 spaces which would included parking for all their development plus 21c and ADG and the music venue
There would be a large water feature were Fred Jones would terminate on the north side of Main Street
The reason for the dog park along Classen are huge OG&E power lines and easement along the strip that are cost-prohibitive to relocate
They hope to submit finalized plans to the DDRC in August


Regarding #5, if they get approval for closing FJ Avenue, would they still be doing the garage that fronts Sheridan? It would be AWESOME if that could also turn into apartments, but I'm assuming that's not happening.

Regarding #5, if they get approval for closing FJ Avenue, would they still be doing the garage that fronts Sheridan? It would be AWESOME if that could also turn into apartments, but I'm assuming that's not happening.

Yes, still doing the garage on Sheridan. None of the previously shown plans have changed.

Burnett said in the presentation yesterday that with 21c, the music venue and everything they plan to build, they need every bit of the parking they have shown.

He said the only way to put more living units along Sheridan was to make the parking garage considerably taller, which wouldn't fit the scale of the other buildings.

Even though it's 5 different lots, none of them are very big, so they are cramming a lot into pretty small spaces.

Republic at Classen Curve is ~4,800 sf. I had heard they had interest in Film Row, but I'm questioning if they would want to go into a building that size.

I have also heard that Republic is interested in a downtown location.

I am very impressed they are going to do everything simultaneously. Hopefully a CVS or Walgreens ends up being part of the deal.

Said no city ever

Said no city ever

Except OKC. I don't believe this city has seen a project this large by a single developer happen all at once. Around here larger developments usually happen in phases. In addition, a CVS or Walgreens anywhere downtown will be very welcome.

Except OKC. I don't believe this city has seen a project this large by a single developer happen all at once. Around here larger developments usually happen in phases.

Actually, the Steelyard is bigger than this.

More living units, more retail space. Will also have more adjacent hotel rooms and a bigger concert venue right across the street.

And Level, LIFT and the Edge are in the same neighborhood.

Except OKC. I don't believe this city has seen a project this large by a single developer happen all at once. Around here larger developments usually happen in phases. In addition, a CVS or Walgreens anywhere downtown will be very welcome.

I meant CVS. Sure it would be welcome, but not something this development should aspire to. CVS should lease the first floor of a parking garage or something.

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but I remember big plans for Lower BT, the parking lot in front of the Chevy BT Events Center, the old Canal corner, etc. Any chance this gets scaled down?

Warren ^ Context is key.

That Bricktown Village project was killed by city politics (everyone hates Bob Funk) and a high-profile divorce (she got half of Expre$$).

I think these guys are pretty well-liked. Plus, w Cathy O'Connor leading The Alliance, we probably have more professional leadership around downtown efforts than ever before.

History lesson of the day:
http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/9191-bricktown-village.html

Actually, the Steelyard is bigger than this.

More living units, more retail space. Will also have more adjacent hotel rooms and a bigger concert venue right across the street...

Doesn't count 'cause it's in Bricktown

Doesn't count 'cause it's in Bricktown

What's a "Bricktown"?

What's a "Bricktown"?

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe Bricktown is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe Bricktown is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

Dan, I would be surprised if Urbanized was concerned about the lack of an old, old wooden ship, but nice try.

Steve seems to be emphasizing that the residential and retail components of this project aren't a done deal and that it may not happen. Pete, is that something you would agree with?

It's just a conceptual plan right now.

Nothing is done until it's done; and even then it's not necessarily done.

I'm sure there will be a big TIF ask as a part of this.

How confident are you that the Residences at 21c will actually materialize? This is one of those projects that I am super excited about and that really ups the standard in OKC and am going to be extremely disappointed if it doesn't happen.

I think it's going to happen and be very similar to what has been proposed.

How confident are you that the Residences at 21c will actually materialize? This is one of those projects that I am super excited about and that really ups the standard in OKC and am going to be extremely disappointed if it doesn't happen.

Something tells me you secretly want it to fall through just so you can complain about how this always happens in OKC.

Something tells me you secretly want it to fall through just so you can complain about how this always happens in OKC.

That's ridiculous. I really want this to happen because its a first-rate project and will completely change Film Row.

Just drove by and most of the metal buildings between the sets of buildings being saved on Sheridan are torn down.

Sorry, I may have mis-stated.

The buildings in green are the only ones that were ever going to stay:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/hallcap2.jpg

I'm upset about this because by the rendering for Building C, it looks like they are salvaging the facade of the western most buildings.

OKCTalk - Detailed plans revealed for Residences at 21c on Film Row (http://www.okctalk.com/content/176-residences-21c-film-row.html)

I noticed that they have torn down the building across the street from 21C. Small buildings on Main just east of Classen

I noticed that they have torn down the building across the street from 21C. Small buildings on Main just east of Classen

Yep.... Started taking them down yesterday.... That corner is going to look strange after looking at it for the last 20 years.

I can't find the property record to corroborate, but I've always assumed that the little two story building was territorial (pre-statehood) or at least close to, owing to the dentil molding along the parapet and the window openings on the second floor. It shows to be 913 W Main based on the picture. It is covered with EIFS, but there is probably an intact brick facade underneath. I'm all for higher and better use, and would support its demo for a great building that supports the 21c renovation, but it is still a shame that it could not have been worked into the overall design, retained and renovated to HP standards.

I'm upset about this because by the rendering for Building C, it looks like they are salvaging the facade of the western most buildings.

OKCTalk - Detailed plans revealed for Residences at 21c on Film Row (http://www.okctalk.com/content/176-residences-21c-film-row.html)

It does show that, however that does not mean that the original structures themselves are retained... only the facades of those structures. Thus, the buildings themselves will indeed be torn down and would cease to exist.

It does show that, however that does not mean that the original structures themselves are retained... only the facades of those structures. Thus, the buildings themselves will indeed be torn down and would cease to exist.

I know that. I was just saying I am disappointed because it looked like they were keeping the buildings and building around them.

Snapped this pic from the McDonalds parking lot last night.... The buildings were still standing when I had driven by in the AM.

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Did they also demolish the two small buildings where they plan to salvage the facades?

I believe that rubble you see in the picture may have been those two buildings.... They did strip all the brick from the front of the buildings and stacked it up on pallets.

Big ugly yellowish metal building on the SW corner was down this morning as I came to work.... My day view for the last 20+ years sure has changed a lot recently.... for the better!

Here is a photo from https://twitter.com/dtOKCbuilds:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKDIrWKUMAEN6DO.jpg:large

Some new renderings of Building C.

One thing I hadn't noticed until now is that the facades of the two old buildings that will be re-assembled along the Sheridan side of the parking garage will be quite a bit further west than their original location.

It begs the question: Is it really meaningful to completely destroy a building, then try to reassemble the facades in a different location in which they stood?

Also, the north and west exposures of that parking garage are going to be very visible along Classen and apart from the large poster, are going to be pretty blank and look very much like a concrete parking garage.




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It'll be nice never seeing that yellow loading dock building again. There was something about that building that I just didn't like. Maybe because I'm from the rust belt and it reminded me of home lol

I do like that the dog park will potentially hide a lot of the parking structure once the trees planted have grown a bit taller.

...One thing I hadn't noticed until now is that the facades of the two old buildings that will be re-assembled along the Sheridan side of the parking garage will be quite a bit further west than their original location.

It begs the question: Is it really meaningful to completely destroy a building, then try to reassemble the facades in a different location in which they stood?...

in a word, no. I love this project overall, and in a great way, but a historic building is either worth preserving or its not. The facadism craze, or worse, the recent tendency to demolish and recreate is fakery. It's not authentic. Even worse is the 499 approach; demolishing a place and featuring its sign on your new building. These "nods" to history are unintentionally more insulting than they are respectful. Why is a building worth memorializing/imitating if it's not worth preserving?

In the case of the 21C/Hall Capital projects, the higher and better use is pretty clear. If you're not going to incorporate the actual historic buildings, make the new ones great and move on down the road.

I love that they are guiting busy on this project looks like it is going to be aggressive construction site and the end result is going to be really nice for the western edge of downtown and bring more life into Film Row District.

in a word, no. I love this project overall, and in a great way, but a historic building is either worth preserving or its not. The facadism craze, or worse, the recent tendency to demolish and recreate is fakery. It's not authentic. Even worse is the 499 approach; demolishing a place and featuring its sign on your new building. These "nods" to history are unintentionally more insulting than they are respectful. Why is a building worth memorializing/imitating if it's not worth preserving?

In the case of the 21C/Hall Capital projects, the higher and better use is pretty clear. If you're not going to incorporate the actual historic buildings, make the new ones great and move on down the road.

Well said.

in a word, no. I love this project overall, and in a great way, but a historic building is either worth preserving or its not. The facadism craze, or worse, the recent tendency to demolish and recreate is fakery. It's not authentic. Even worse is the 499 approach; demolishing a place and featuring its sign on your new building. These "nods" to history are unintentionally more insulting than they are respectful. Why is a building worth memorializing/imitating if it's not worth preserving?

In the case of the 21C/Hall Capital projects, the higher and better use is pretty clear. If you're not going to incorporate the actual historic buildings, make the new ones great and move on down the road.

Yes, 100%.

I respectfully disagree. I agree on one hand that facadism is NOT historic preservation. On the other hand, I badly wish more of these projects actually created place. I want to see more actual effort to use design to create place. The night and day difference is reflected in the 2nd Street side of Level, as opposed to the 3rd Street side. NE 2nd Street is a really great street. 3rd honestly isn't, despite the Brownstones and Maywood Park sculpture.

So while facadism isn't HP, it is design. In this case, I greatly appreciate that they have put some of the site's existing elements into reuse to create a contextual design strategy that WILL translate into placemaking. It's so typical of the OKC Talk echo chamber to turn against one of the high-quality projects we have.

Maywood Apartments Phase II is really sad - why don't people attack that project instead, which did tear down its existing site elements that were supposed to be renovated and incorporated into the larger building's facade.

Maywood Apartments Phase II is really sad - why don't people attack that project instead, which did tear down its existing site elements that were supposed to be renovated and incorporated into the larger building's facade.

It got attacked plenty.

And they will basically be reassembling as well and at least they will be reconstructing entire buildings in their original location.

We shall see. I don't have a lot of confidence after that episode. That is someone whose feet you hold to the fire, whereas these developers should be applauded and supported; at least to the extent that OKC Talk can impact city policy and consumer trends in OKC. In general I think (hope) the public rewards developers who create good places for consumers.

The board has hardly been unsupportive or even in any way very critical of this project. Pete asked a question. It was answered.

I just don't think facadism, especially in this example, should be categorically condemned. Here it does a lot more for placemaking than it hurts for HP.

I have always been fairly opposed to the Dept of Interior HP standards. I just had a coffee shop debate with some really interesting people who oppose me on "gentrification" in Ohio, to the point that they called the historic standards "white." As if a building code can have a skin color. I think the old school historic preservation establishment has done a lot of harm with its strict standards, and its willingness to see buildings demolished if they can't comply with the high standards for HP.

It comes down to a debate as to whether standards really save historic resources, which has been the guiding light of the HP movement.