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Plutonic Panda
01-25-2015, 04:50 AM
Now we are comparing based on Smoothie Kings? Pathetically low bar.im going to open up a smoothie queen across the street from every smoothie king location mark my words

Tigerguy
01-25-2015, 09:14 AM
im going to open up a smoothie queen across the street from every smoothie king location mark my words

Eh, you seem more like a Smoothie Princess. :D

bchris02
01-25-2015, 10:50 AM
I find it hysterical that for one, the bar is so low here that something like a Smoothie King would even be a serious part of this discussion. Secondly, Tulsa already has one so its not like this scores any points for OKC, if something like this would score any points to begin with.

betts
01-25-2015, 07:46 PM
I just ask myself where I'd rather live and I don't have to worry about what chain stores are where. For me there's an easy answer, as there likely is for most of us. If your answer is Tulsa, well then you think it's great. If it's OKC, then it is, Smoothie King, Costco or no.

Architect2010
01-26-2015, 07:50 PM
I find it hysterical that for one, the bar is so low here that something like a Smoothie King would even be a serious part of this discussion. Secondly, Tulsa already has one so its not like this scores any points for OKC, if something like this would score any points to begin with.

Yes, because people are so serious about the smoothie place. I haven't even heard of a Smoothie King, and I also don't go to a chain restaurant to drink a smoothie..... Obviously the bar is even lower than you seem to think. /rolls eyes

AP
01-27-2015, 08:59 AM
I find it hysterical that for one, the bar is so low here that something like a Smoothie King would even be a serious part of this discussion. Secondly, Tulsa already has one so its not like this scores any points for OKC, if something like this would score any points to begin with.

To be sure, you started the comparison. ljbab literally said "I'm not sure this is any major accomplishment but it's coming to OKC first." ZYX2 said he thought one might be in Tulsa already, then you went looking at websites. It's hysterical to me that you are so obsessed with the retail scene in OKC compared to every where else. You keep driving these constant comparisons. I believe Pete even started a thread to show you how wrong you are.

bchris02
01-27-2015, 10:07 AM
To be sure, you started the comparison. ljbab literally said "I'm not sure this is any major accomplishment but it's coming to OKC first." ZYX2 said he thought one might be in Tulsa already, then you went looking at websites. It's hysterical to me that you are so obsessed with the retail scene in OKC compared to every where else. You keep driving these constant comparisons. I believe Pete even started a thread to show you how wrong you are.

I was not the one who brought Smoothie King into this discussion and I said it was pathetic that the bar has sunk that low. This isn't even the OKC vs Tulsa retail thread that Pete started.

Retail adequacy is about perspective. Somebody from small town Oklahoma would probably find OKC's retail offerings more than adequate while somebody from a larger or similar sized city might find them lacking. Until somebody reports otherwise, I trust Pete when he says Chisholm Creek and Glimcher will finally bring a lot of the retail OKC should have had but has lacked.

Laramie
01-27-2015, 03:12 PM
The entire Tulsa vs. OKC conversation is pathetic.

Agee!

Oklahoma City needs to focus on:


1. Beautification (Central Core)
2. Transit (Street car/mass transit expansion)
3. Growth Development (for future housing)
4. Infrastructure (inner city)

We need to concentrate on these 4 items--the growth & population boom will come.

Tulsa has us beat when it comes to retail & restaurants.

soonerfan_in_okc
01-27-2015, 11:11 PM
The philanthropic community in Tulsa blows OKC away. Their Annual United way campaign beats OKC by millions every year, their community foundation is around 5-6 times larger at 4 billion dollars (compared to 700 million in OKC) and the richest foundations in the state call Tulsa home. Hopefully as OKC develops more sustained economic success, we can see similar trends in OKC with expendable income.

soonerfan_in_okc
01-27-2015, 11:15 PM
And LMFAO at this entire thread. A kid from edmond trying to instigate **** between two cities he isn't even from.

betts
01-28-2015, 09:34 AM
I was not the one who brought Smoothie King into this discussion and I said it was pathetic that the bar has sunk that low. This isn't even the OKC vs Tulsa retail thread that Pete started.

Retail adequacy is about perspective. Somebody from small town Oklahoma would probably find OKC's retail offerings more than adequate while somebody from a larger or similar sized city might find them lacking. Until somebody reports otherwise, I trust Pete when he says Chisholm Creek and Glimcher will finally bring a lot of the retail OKC should have had but has lacked.

A little perspective since my kids live in SF and Chicago. Their favorite OKC store? Plenty. They love Auto Alley stores, Classen Curve stores, NH Plaza stores. Why? They're unique and have things they don't see at home. They could care less that we don't have Saks, Neiman's, IKEA (which they hate!), Crate and Barrel, etc. They never shop at those stores at home and wouldn't want to here either. We need to shop at the great stores we have here, which encourages more local entrepreneurs to start unique ventures. And not look longingly down the road.

Plutonic Panda
01-28-2015, 01:06 PM
And LMFAO at this entire thread. A kid from edmond trying to instigate **** between two cities he isn't even from.I'm from Oklahoma city genius.

soonerfan_in_okc
01-28-2015, 07:36 PM
I'm from Oklahoma city genius.

You keep telling yourself that.

dankrutka
01-30-2015, 12:06 AM
This whole conversation is silly, but, for the record, I grew up in Tulsa in the 90s with multiple Smoothie King locations. So, Smoothie King has been there for a long while.

ljbab728
01-30-2015, 12:26 AM
Excuse me for ever mentioning Smoothie KIng. I did a search on their website of locations within 100 miles of OKC and nothing came up. The last time I checked Tulsa was less than 100 miles away. It was never meant to be taken seriously as anything concrete in the OKC vs Tulsa debate anyway.

Plutonic Panda
01-30-2015, 02:11 AM
Excuse me for ever mentioning Smoothie KIng. I did a search on their website of locations within 100 miles of OKC and nothing came up. The last time I checked Tulsa was less than 100 miles away. It was never meant to be taken seriously as anything concrete in the OKC vs Tulsa debate anyway.How dare you. OKC vs. Tulsa is a serious issue and not one to be taken lightly. We have had good men and women die over this and your making jokes in cahoots with Smoothie King? I'm furious right now.

ljbab728
01-30-2015, 10:33 PM
How dare you. OKC vs. Tulsa is a serious issue and not one to be taken lightly. We have had good men and women die over this and your making jokes in cahoots with Smoothie King? I'm furious right now.

Sleep cures that, plupan. Try it sometime. :)

Laramie
01-31-2015, 10:44 AM
The future for Oklahoma's two largest metropolitan areas are bright; that's where the focus should be--accentuate the positives of each city. The competitiveness between OKC & Tulsa makes both cities viable.

The Turner Turnpike is a 91 mile stretch between the two cities; Tulsa is listed as 101 miles from Oklahoma City. IIFC they measure the distance from city hall to city hall.

Distance calculator: How Far is It (http://www.indo.com/cgi-bin/dist)

warreng88
02-05-2015, 02:25 PM
One my wife is going to look forward to. Hopefully it will move into the OKC market soon too:

Oklahoma's first kate spade new york store coming to Woodland Hills this summer | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahomas-first-kate-spade-new-york-store-coming-to-woodland-hills-this-summer/article/5390906)

bchris02
02-05-2015, 03:19 PM
Maybe it can take over for Cash N' Gold in Quail Springs Mall.

Any updates on an OKC location for Texas de Brazil? It appears they are opening this summer in Tulsa. Their site shows that they are still on for Summer 2016 in Penn Square Mall but I've seen a few people post here that deal may have stalled.

poe
02-05-2015, 07:13 PM
Surprised they chose Woodland Hills over Utica Square.

Bullbear
02-26-2015, 08:48 AM
nice article of wishes

Reimagining downtown - TulsaPeople - March 2015 - Tulsa, OK (http://www.tulsapeople.com/Tulsa-People/March-2015/Reimagining-downtown/)

soondoc
02-26-2015, 09:18 AM
I actually like it, especially the way it looks at night. It's not bad to think out of the box at times, something I wish OKC would do more of.

TU 'cane
02-26-2015, 09:43 AM
The future for Oklahoma's two largest metropolitan areas are bright; that's where the focus should be--accentuate the positives of each city. The competitiveness between OKC & Tulsa makes both cities viable.

The Turner Turnpike is a 91 mile stretch between the two cities; Tulsa is listed as 101 miles from Oklahoma City. IIFC they measure the distance from city hall to city hall.

Distance calculator: How Far is It (http://www.indo.com/cgi-bin/dist)

100% agreed.
It's one thing to have a friendly rivalry. It's another to have a bitter one that actually hurts both parties. We have a bitter one and it needs to stop if we really want to advance this state.


I actually like it, especially the way it looks at night. It's not bad to think out of the box at times, something I wish OKC would do more of.

I love it, as expressed in the Tulsa sub-forum. Tulsa or OKC needs something like this as a landmark for travelers, visitors, etc.
Some people need to quit being so negative at some of these proposals and embrace them. It's no wonder Tulsa never gets anything done. I will say though, the article that bullbear posted is really neat and would be nice if those came to fruition. Imagine a Tulsa that has finally met the 21st century.

Spartan
02-26-2015, 10:13 PM
nice article of wishes

Reimagining downtown - TulsaPeople - March 2015 - Tulsa, OK (http://www.tulsapeople.com/Tulsa-People/March-2015/Reimagining-downtown/)

Good! They need to start putting together a vision.

Laramie
02-27-2015, 10:41 AM
Every city should have some kind of vision. Tulsa's brainstorming for ideas has caught the eye of developers (lots of inquiries). The aggressive approach they have taken will pay dividends.

skanaly
03-16-2015, 03:38 PM
Just visited Tulsa yesterday...here's what I thought about this topic:

There are areas that are much more urbanized than OKC. Tulsa's "Midtown" is much more dense and has a great urban vibe.
The streets across downtown and in the metro: horrible. There are some really bad roads in OKC, but over all, our highways and urban streets are much better
There were lots of places I saw in Tulsa that I would wish to see in OKC. Places like Utica Square, Woodward Park, Centennial Park, and E. 5th/ S. Main St.

I'm sure Tulsan's would like parks like Myriad Gardens, but their "style" of parks is much older. Our Central Park is very modern. The layout is simple, and accommodates what OKC dwellers want. "A Gathering Place", (Tulsa's new "Central Park") just started construction. And from what I saw around the River...If the city dammed it up, Tulsa's new park would be the best Urban park in Oklahoma.

bchris02
03-16-2015, 04:04 PM
OKC's urban districts, especially Midtown, still have way too much empty space in them. Once they are filled in I think they will eclipse anything in Tulsa. I think OKC is already ahead for the most part in terms of what the districts offer, but Tulsa's districts are very compact and the urban fabric is contiguous, making them feel nicer and more vibrant.

Utica Square is nice for Tulsa but doesn't compare to big city shopping centers. The Glimcher development in OKC has the potential to blow it away if done right.

As has been said in other threads, the "Tulsa is better" mantra has about five years of life left in it.

Pete
03-16-2015, 04:08 PM
Glimcher will become OKC's Utica Square, but Tulsa doesn't have anything like Chisholm Creek.

Plutonic Panda
03-16-2015, 04:15 PM
Glimcher will become OKC's Utica Square, but Tulsa doesn't have anything like Chisholm Creek.Hopefully Glimcher is a little nicer than Utica Square. Utica is nice, but it's nothing special. It's a slightly better than average shopping center in North Dallas and hopefully we aim the bar a little higher than that.

TU 'cane
03-20-2015, 09:43 AM
Glimcher will become OKC's Utica Square, but Tulsa doesn't have anything like Chisholm Creek.

Nope. But, what I think the only thing we could compare to Chisholm (and really we can't...) is Tulsa Hills.
A wide spread mega shopping area with chain restaurants, Gander Mountain, etc. Tulsa Hills is actually still expanding with future plans.
Again, for a few reasons I don't think they can be compared, but, it's the closest thing I can think of that Tulsa could front to Chisholm Creek if we really had to think of one thing.

Chisholm Creek is just cool, there's no other way for me to describe it.
Tulsa Hills is just... kinda neat if what it offers is your type of thing (it's a typical mega outlet area, nothing overly special, nor does it have a district feel to it). Tulsa Hills lacks character, there's no signage, nothing unique about it other than the location.

What I will add though to the other above comments, is that Tulsa's neighborhoods/districts are definitely meshed in pretty decently with the rest of the city, so that does add a unique flair to them.

I think in 2016-17 will be a really good turning point for Tulsa. We'll see the RiverSpirit Casino expansion completed, which is going to be beautiful, and we'll see The Gathering Place really taking shape, with the main proponents being finished up by then. After that, we'll see where interest in Tulsa lies and see how we accept these nice things that add to the city and area's list of things to do or visit. I believe those two developments are really all that Tulsa has right now in it's deck against OKC (I mean this in a constructive way, not a versus way). And, clearly, OKC holds the table, even so.

BG918
03-20-2015, 12:07 PM
^ Hopefully by that time there isn't an outlet mall by Turkey Mountain. It has been very controversial with trail users and Tulsa residents coming out against it. We'll see if the city bows to pressure from out of state retail developers or listens to residents. Or if the Cherokees jump out in front and build the outlet mall by the Hard Rock Casino.

I think you also have to include river development as one of the big potential projects in Tulsa's near future. There will likely be a vote to fund low water dams later this year and it will be up to people in Tulsa whether they want to see "water in the river" which could enhance RiverParks (the city's most popular park and green space along with Turkey Mountain). I know the Creeks are pushing for it to enhance their new resort/casino and connect it to their entertainment complex across the river with boats. If they succeed then that will be a pretty cool concept.

I think outside of those you'll see more and more housing downtown and potentially one or two office buildings as Class A space is at a premium in downtown Tulsa. Like OKC though that's highly dependent on oil prices. Areas like the Pearl will continue to grow and the neighborhood around it to the east of downtown will gentrify. More urban infill in Cherry Street and Brookside both retail and housing. More dense residential north and south of the Gathering Place along the river. Utica Square is due for a makeover it's full but starting to look a little tired. If there is an OKC rival at NHP then hopefully the Helmerich's pour some money into improvements.

TU 'cane
03-20-2015, 01:13 PM
^^ Good points, I failed to recall most of that. All true, and also reasons to be excited. Downtown Tulsa is very quietly taking off, which, I kind of think is a good thing right now because it'll reach what I label as critical mass soon and we'll start hearing about how impressed people are with where it's come in the last few years.

As for Turkey Mountain, yea, I hope that doesn't go through. I like that part of Tulsa still being kind of "wild" and I know lots of other people do as well.

bchris02
03-20-2015, 01:20 PM
Hopefully Glimcher is a little nicer than Utica Square. Utica is nice, but it's nothing special. It's a slightly better than average shopping center in North Dallas and hopefully we aim the bar a little higher than that.

My hope is that Glimcher does what they say they are able to do. They once owned Tulsa Promenade and had grand plans for it but the plans not only never took off, the development deteriorated to the point its a blight on the surrounding area. Hopefully that outcome is related to the viability of that specific development and not Glimcher's competency. If Glimcher is able to deliver, I believe that area could become on par with Utica Square if not better. It will also go a long way towards bringing OKC more in line with other cities its size in terms of retail offerings.

Snowman
03-20-2015, 04:55 PM
...

As for Turkey Mountain, yea, I hope that doesn't go through. I like that part of Tulsa still being kind of "wild" and I know lots of other people do as well.

With multiple outlet developers all trying to pretty much lure mostly the same retailers, the Turkey Mountain one seems like the least likely to be able to pull it together. It does not seem geographically the best location of those proposed to be serving Tulsa and it's regional traffic; plus given the location it was bound to attract opposition, so it is sure to be be opening after the others (baring the other two just fall apart for their own reasons).

Spartan
03-26-2015, 12:38 PM
Hopefully Glimcher is a little nicer than Utica Square. Utica is nice, but it's nothing special. It's a slightly better than average shopping center in North Dallas and hopefully we aim the bar a little higher than that.

I disagree. Utica Square is old, but it's aging very well. It blends very well with the scale and character of the surrounding Midtown area, but it's enough of an enclave to have easy parking and anchor tenants. Those are two very difficult concepts to balance together as a real estate developer.

Midtown Tulsa's demographics are such that retailers will want Class A space, so (Simon?) the ownership of Utica Square will have to continuously reinvent. So far so good, mainly because Midtown is only adding Class A retail space in Brookside (with limited room to grow).

shawnw
10-07-2021, 12:00 AM
When there was all that bickering in I don't remember what other thread about whether OKC or Tulsa residents cared more about the rivalry someone suggested making a thread. Didn't realize there was this dormant thread about OKC v Tulsa, so I'll revive it with this Twitter thread from a Tulsan about why Tulsa is better than OKC.

https://twitter.com/otis_was_here/status/1445948676795404295

catch22
10-07-2021, 01:45 AM
That is very sad. Who really cares? My god.

(Not your post, the tweet)

Bunty
10-07-2021, 03:41 AM
For several decades, Oklahoma City has been growing like it's a better place to move to than Tulsa, so it's hardly worth debating.

BoulderSooner
10-07-2021, 07:02 AM
For several decades, Oklahoma City has been growing like it's a better place to move to than Tulsa, so it's hardly worth debating.

yep OKC passed tulsa in the early mid 90's and has never looked back .

Bellaboo
10-07-2021, 07:45 AM
OKC Explodes in population. Tulsa creeps along. That's all you need to know.

And what is the name of Tulsa's NBA team ? Oh crap they don't have one.

josh
10-07-2021, 10:03 AM
OKC Explodes in population. Tulsa creeps along. That's all you need to know.

And what is the name of Tulsa's NBA team ? Oh crap they don't have one.

Not sure why you’re belittling Tulsa by over exaggerating the population growth of Oklahoma City. To say it “explodes” is very deceptive and untrue. There’s no need to inflate yourself at the expensive of dismissing or insulting another place. It’s just shallow and lame.

shawnw
10-07-2021, 10:26 AM
IDGAF about this argument, but OKC's population increased 100K between the 2010 and the 2020 census, and is one of only two cities that did that if I remember correctly. How is that an exaggeration?

midtownokcer
10-07-2021, 10:27 AM
When there was all that bickering in I don't remember what other thread about whether OKC or Tulsa residents cared more about the rivalry someone suggested making a thread. Didn't realize there was this dormant thread about OKC v Tulsa, so I'll revive it with this Twitter thread from a Tulsan about why Tulsa is better than OKC.

https://twitter.com/otis_was_here/status/1445948676795404295

Listing Greenwood Rising and calling the history of the Tulsa Race Massacre "unique" as a reason why Tulsa is better than OKC is shameless.

LocoAko
10-07-2021, 10:32 AM
IDGAF about this argument, but OKC's population increased 100K between the 2010 and the 2020 census, and is one of only two cities that did that if I remember correctly. How is that an exaggeration?

FWIW, there were 14 cities that gained at least 100,000 residents from 2010-2020, although clearly OKC was the only city in Oklahoma to do so. I'm more curious about the impact of growth in OKC city limits (in suburban areas that in many other cities would not be part of the central city) compared to Tulsa, which saw massive growth in its suburbs. I doubt the growth difference percentage-wise is nearly as dramatic when looking at metropolitan area statistics.

https://kfor.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/08/Census-largest-population-gains.jpg

T. Jamison
10-07-2021, 10:32 AM
I read that this morning and it really disappointed me. It read like they had gone to Bricktown one time to form their opinion of the entire metro. I am certainly not saying that all of the things they mentioned are worse than here in Oklahoma City. I just felt like every item had a comparable offering in OKC. I run into this issue with my friends in Tulsa. They go to the Outlet Malls, eat at The Garage, go to Bricktown or McNellie's/Dust Bowl/Fassler's then assume that's all there is to offer.

I feel like someone should be the bigger person and invite this individual to Oklahoma City to visit the breadth of the city. Not to prove that it is better, but to share our city. I think it's a real shame that this mindset persists in some because thoroughly enjoying both cities is the appropriate strategy. I spend probably half of my Sunday's in Tulsa and feel as though I have twice the options than if I chose one or the other. Lone Wolf in Tulsa is one of my favorite places to eat, and I enjoy it as often as I can. But if I wanted BBQ, I'd rather be in OKC.

shawnw
10-07-2021, 10:34 AM
Oops, that's right, there were 14. My bad, but I still think that explosion is a valid descriptor to use here.

GaryOKC6
10-07-2021, 11:06 AM
Oops, that's right, there were 14. My bad, but I still think that explosion is a valid descriptor to use here.

https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/policy/oklahoma-city-makes-sizable-gains-in-2020-census-will-benefit-from-growth/

GaryOKC6
10-07-2021, 11:07 AM
Oklahoma City makes sizable gains in 2020 Census, will benefit from growth: https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/policy/oklahoma-city-makes-sizable-gains-in-2020-census-will-benefit-from-growth/

Mississippi Blues
10-07-2021, 11:30 AM
Not sure why you’re belittling Tulsa by over exaggerating the population growth of Oklahoma City. To say it “explodes” is very deceptive and untrue. There’s no need to inflate yourself at the expensive of dismissing or insulting another place. It’s just shallow and lame.

“Explodes” probably isn’t the right word, especially when there are cities like Seattle and Austin, but it’s certainly not deceptive or untrue or even much of an over exaggeration to say that Oklahoma City grew at a remarkably high rate during the decade while Tulsa saw minimal growth at best. I know you like to police certain threads when people get too complimentary about Oklahoma City but you don’t have to dilute reality to keep our egos in check.

Jeepnokc
10-07-2021, 11:44 AM
. But if I wanted BBQ, I'd rather be in OKC.

I much prefer OKC but for BBQ....Burn Co in Tulsa is best in the state imho. Which is saying a lot as OKC has some great BBQ places so the bar is high. I have not tried the new Edge BBQ yet so that opinion is always subject to change.

BoulderSooner
10-07-2021, 11:51 AM
I much prefer OKC but for BBQ....Burn Co in Tulsa is best in the state imho. Which is saying a lot as OKC has some great BBQ places so the bar is high. I have not tried the new Edge BBQ yet so that opinion is always subject to change.

i think Burn Co is fantastic but Butchers stand is my #1

Jeepnokc
10-07-2021, 12:03 PM
i think Burn Co is fantastic but Butchers stand is my #1

I need to revisit as I wasn't impressed the time I tried it. It is real easy to have an off day when producing the amount they do. They certainly have the credentials and have great reviews

G.Walker
10-07-2021, 12:04 PM
The fact he even took the time to even make that list. Must have way too much time on his hands, lol. Who cares...

T. Jamison
10-07-2021, 12:06 PM
I much prefer OKC but for BBQ....Burn Co in Tulsa is best in the state imho. Which is saying a lot as OKC has some great BBQ places so the bar is high. I have not tried the new Edge BBQ yet so that opinion is always subject to change.

I sadly have not gone to Burn Co but I have heard raving reviews from all my friends and family. But when I'm in town they always want to go to RibCrib. I'm not saying OKC has better BBQ, but rather more local options and fewer RibCribs.


i think Burn Co is fantastic but Butchers stand is my #1

I second that sentiment the Butcher's is one of the best and generally my go-to.

G.Walker
10-07-2021, 12:09 PM
And people don't realize outside of our group of city development enthusiasts, the average person really doesn't care.

shartel_ave
10-07-2021, 02:03 PM
Not sure why you’re belittling Tulsa by over exaggerating the population growth of Oklahoma City. To say it “explodes” is very deceptive and untrue. There’s no need to inflate yourself at the expensive of dismissing or insulting another place. It’s just shallow and lame.

I would say there is a lot of truth about OKC exploding especially the info from the latest census. OKC grew 17.42% from 2010 - 2020 and Tulsa grew 5.4%. OKC is one of the fastest growing large cities in the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

OKC is now the 22nd largest city in the US ahead of Boston, Portland, and Las Vegas

OKC was one of only 14 cities to gain over 100k people during those 10 years

https://kfor.com/news/local/census-oklahoma-city-gained-at-least-100000-people-since-2010-one-of-only-14-cities-to-do-so/

A ton of develope has been going non stop since I have moved here in 2011. I was really surprised to see OKC on that list but looking back it makes sense. In 20 years OKC will by like what Nashville is now.

David
10-07-2021, 02:15 PM
17.42% is the growth for OKC proper, right? Is there a number available for the percent growth for the metro overall?

KayneMo
10-07-2021, 02:20 PM
17.42% is the growth for OKC proper, right? Is there a number available for the percent growth for the metro overall?

Growth for the metro was 13.78%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

David
10-07-2021, 02:25 PM
Growth for the metro was 13.78%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

Thank you!

So the city itself grew a bit faster than the metro, that is interesting.