It looks like we are about to get a new grocery store in Edmond. On Monday the city council will be looking at a site plan for a grocery store with a gas station. The developer is asking for a varience for a curb cut on Covell that would require adding additional lanes. Problem is that there is no room for it. City staff recommend rejecting the proposal. Any one have an idea who the grocery store is? Is it another Walmart Neighborhood grocery store or is it someone else?

Whatever it is, they need to bury that large natural gas thing they have sitting at the SW corner. I live right at Coltrane and Covell and they could easily widen the road to six lanes with a median and sidewalks on each side. I don't have them handy, but I did a bunch of measurements one day.

I wouldn't mind a grocery store, but I really hope it isn't another Walmart, although I've heard it's going to be a Neighborhood Market from various people. The initial renderings look nice, but it's still a Walmart. A Whole Foods would be amazing, but I don't think they have gas stations at any if them. Walmart is about the only grocer I can think of that sells gas, and that should say something if you can buy gasoline and all your food at the same place.

btw, I'll take a picture of what I'm talking about regarding the natural gas station(I'm not sure exactly what it's called) but is it possible to bury it underground? I have never seen those in Dallas exposed and close to the road like that, so surely they have plans to move it or bury it, right? Then again, Dallas had much higher standards than Edmond.

Yeah this has been discussed before. Chances are 99.9% that its a Wal-Mart.

By the way some Homelands sell gas as do chains in other cities. It's just Homeland isn't expanding so I don't see how it could be anything other than a Wal-Mart.

Well, Homeland also has a location a mile away from here as well.

Just seems like it would be overkill even for Wal-Mart with the store just down I-35. Wouldn't be too surprised but it doesn't seem there are enough houses in that corner (yet) to support two stores within 3 miles (even if one is a Market and the other a Supercenter).

As far as the gas "station", I've always thought it was a pumping station and they add odorant to it. We used to run up there all the time on gas leak in the area calls. It was the odarant that was leaking. (I'm a retired firefighter by the way) The north west corner where this is proposed has major water issue to engineer around. Basically a creek bed. I'm supprised that Walmart would build there since the neighborhood grocery is only 3 miles away. The lot is not huge. I was hoping for a Trader Joes or some other similar sized store that would be new to the area. The demographics don't fit Sav-A-Lot. I guess we'll see what happens since the City of Edmond staff recommends not to allow the request. I'm guessing the land will set for awhile. Much better land to build on is available nearby.

Just seems like it would be overkill even for Wal-Mart with the store just down I-35. Wouldn't be too surprised but it doesn't seem there are enough houses in that corner (yet) to support two stores within 3 miles (even if one is a Market and the other a Supercenter).Yeah well I've heard some possibilities of two-three new Walmarts in the area, which sucks. I have heard they are still scouting in NW Edmond for a NM, Waterloo/I-35 for a new super center, and Covell/Coltrane. It's getting to the point where almost like a bad joke and Walmart is just throwing hordes of money at the OKC area just for the hell of it. If you look at the number of new Walmart's that have been added in the past 4 years it's insane.

As far as the gas "station", I've always thought it was a pumping station and they add odorant to it. We used to run up there all the time on gas leak in the area calls. It was the odarant that was leaking. (I'm a retired firefighter by the way) The north west corner where this is proposed has major water issue to engineer around. Basically a creek bed. I'm supprised that Walmart would build there since the neighborhood grocery is only 3 miles away. The lot is not huge. I was hoping for a Trader Joes or some other similar sized store that would be new to the area. The demographics don't fit Sav-A-Lot. I guess we'll see what happens since the City of Edmond staff recommends not to allow the request. I'm guessing the land will set for awhile. Much better land to build on is available nearby.Yeah, a Trader Joe's would be awesome or perhaps a Natural Grocers, but the gas station part seems weird. That whole area does flood when it rains hard, so they will definitely have to come up with a solution.

Speaking of Waterloo and I-35, the south east corner is up for sale. Its owned by the guy leasing the 80 ac next to me. Not on great terms with him. his cows come through my fence on a daily basis. I'm guessing this might be an option but there is no water or sewer lines. The north east corner is well an old horse ranch that is basially abandand. Hopefully the area will be on an upswing soon with the north west corner looking like it will develop.

I'm for a Costco instead of a Walmart at Waterloo and I-35. I know, I'm dreaming.

I'm not sure if you've heard, but I posted a thread about a potential big development over there.

http://www.okctalk.com/suburban-other-ok-communities/39316-huge-mixed-use-development-waterloo-rd.html

This could be huge for the area!

http://www.koco.com/image/view/-/29271728/highRes/2/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/afsm7lz/-/Logan-County-JPG.jpg

Waterloo/I-35

Also, this is what I found on the city's website


Background
MVG Development is proposing a grocery store at the northwest corner of Coltrane and Covell. On behalf of MVG Development, Attorney Randel Shadid has requested and provided a traffic impact analysis for a median opening on Covell when this section of roadway is ultimately widened.

Staff has reviewed the request and traffic impact analysis. The submitted site plans also do not show any widening on Coltrane or Covell. This widening is required in Title 21 and needed to accommodate the site traffic.

The traffic study shows less than 100 vehicles turning into the site on Covell during the peak hour, and the study also does not show any negative impact to Covell if no median opening is installed. No medians are proposed on Coltrane, so traffic can freely enter or exit the site. Coltrane is the minor road, so it can handle these turning movements easier than Covell.

There are several factors that make this area difficult for the future widening of Covell into a parkway, such as the floodplain and the gas infrastructure on the southwest corner of the intersection. The proposed left-turn lane and median opening into this site will limit the City’s ability to lengthen the left-turn lane onto Coltrane. Also, the right-of-way to the west of this area is limited by existing single-family homes, and retaining walls are already proposed when Covell is widened. The requested median opening will require a left-turn lane and taper that extend past the west property line of the proposed grocery store. There is not enough right-of-way to widen Covell adjacent to the single-family homes to accommodate this turn lane. There are also numerous utilities the City will have to relocate in this area, and there will be no room left for them as well.

With regard to the request for fee-in-lieu of widening of Covell and Coltrane, the widening is required by the Edmond Municipal Code, Title 21 and should be installed at the time of the development of the northwest corner.

- http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=11&get_year=2014&dsp=agm&seq=5370&rev=0&ag=1327&ln=27036&nseq=5835&nrev=0&pseq=&prev=#ReturnTo27036

Here is MVG Developments website: Denver Colorado Commercial Real Estate | MVG Development (http://www.mvgdev.com/)

Note that they also proposed a grocer in Midwest City under MVG Development and it turned out to be a Neighborhood Market. We'll see what comes out of it. On their website, it appears they have built a Dollar General, Applebees, Office Depot, and some various suburban strip malls. They also have a couple mid-rises for senior living,.

I did see your post on Waterloo/I-35. I'm hoping that is will kick off soon. I live in the area and it would be nice not to have to drive so far for everything. Yah, I want my country with close shopping. Basically a close in acreage for me.

I live in this general area as well and I would love to see a grocery store there. The idea of another NM does not excite me, but I would still shop there for the basics. It would be closer to me and a lot cheaper than Homeland. I was so hoping for a Crest, but I know that's not happening.

I live in this general area as well and I would love to see a grocery store there. The idea of another NM does not excite me, but I would still shop there for the basics. It would be closer to me and a lot cheaper than Homeland. I was so hoping for a Crest, but I know that's not happening.
That's kind of how I feel.

BTW, I believe a Crest is still going to get built at Sooner and Covell.

That's kind of how I feel.

BTW, I believe a Crest is still going to get built at Sooner and Covell.

As the east side of I-35 builds up, there's going to be a need for retail, grocery stores included. Just looking at the current and proposed subdivisions, looks like more then a few roof tops coming to the area. I'll bet the average income in the area south of Waterloo and east of I-35 (in Edmond Schools) is not too shabby. Should be looking more attractive to prospective retailers.

I just noticed from the article that is MVD and not MVG. I'll double check it here in a minute but this info was from the Edmond Exchange


Grocery store variance placed on agenda

Requests for a median opening along Covell Road and for fee-in-lieu of widening of Covell and Coltrane roads will be heard by the city council in a proposal to build a 24-hour grocery story and six-lane fuel station on the northwest corner of the intersection.

The unusual thing about the request is that City Planner Bob Schiermeyer and attorney for the developer, MVD Development, Randel Shadid, say they don’t know what kind of grocery wants to go into business on that corner.

None of the paperwork filed with the city lists the name of the grocery store.

Neighbors have written letters to the city, saying the 42,000-square-foot building will be a Walmart.

“I don’t represent the grocery store,” Shadid said. “I represent the people wanting to build a building. All I care is it meets the code.”

The zoning on the corner is open-display commercial.

“We are not talking about zoning,” Shadid said. “There could be a car dealership and boat sales on that corner.”

Neighbors wrote in emails to the city that they are concerned about congestion, traffic accidents, a decrease in property value, safety and security. The city has received between 50 and 100 emails, all opposing the development, Schiermeyer said.

“I cannot imagine the city of Edmond allowing anything of this size and magnitude in an area accessed by two-lane roads and four-way stops,” Ed Aust, 2609 E Ashecroft Drive, wrote to city officials. “It will create a traffic nightmare for residents who live in Asheforde Oaks, Fairfax and Steeplechase and all other additions surrounding each of these.”

The developer wants to pay the city for the cost of widening the road but not widen the road at this time, because the city has future plans to widen Covell into a parkway.

“We don’t want to widen the road and it be torn up later,” Shadid said.

City staff members have recommended that city council members not approve either of the variances when they meet at 5:30 p.m. Monday at 210 S Littler Ave. Planning commissioners will consider the site plan Nov. 18.

- Edmond Exchange | News OK (http://newsok.com/edmond-exchange/article/5364718)

"EDMOND, Okla. —Residents in Asheforde Oaks said they don’t want shortcuts when the field next to their neighborhood is developed."

While I agree with that, I don't want a special connection to a Walmart that generally has a lower class clientele, which isn't always true, I even shop at Walmart sometimes and I know a bunch of wealthy people that due to, to walk into our neighborhood through a side entrance. It just spells of trouble.

Read more: http://www.koco.com/news/edmond-residents-demand-safety-over-convenience/29630908#ixzz3Ie9lJDRQ

"EDMOND, Okla. —Residents in Asheforde Oaks said they don’t want shortcuts when the field next to their neighborhood is developed."

While I agree with that, I don't want a special connection to a Walmart that generally has a lower class clientele, which isn't always true, I even shop at Walmart sometimes and I know a bunch of wealthy people that due to, to walk into our neighborhood through a side entrance. It just spells of trouble.

Read more: Edmond residents demand safety over convenience | Oklahoma City - OKC - KOCO.com (http://www.koco.com/news/edmond-residents-demand-safety-over-convenience/29630908#ixzz3Ie9lJDRQ)

Do you think the area will be able to support both Wal-Mart and Uptown Grocery?

Edmond Neighbors Fight Plans For Proposed Grocery Store - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27348142/edmond-neighbors-fight-plans-for-proposed-grocery-store)

Do you think the area will be able to support both Wal-Mart and Uptown Grocery?Yeah, I mean Uptown might lose some business, but just from the people in the area that would likely use this store(if it were built) for quick, last-minute items and what not, but I don't think Uptown would see too much of a hit. I'm sure they will manage just fine.

What I think is funny.. we say we want quality grocery in the metro, but attack and call folks NIMBY (not in this thread, but on newsok, and such) if they fight a wal-mart who's trying to take shortcuts. More walmarts will not help us get quality grocers in Edmond.

Yeah, if this were a Whole Foods, Trader Joes, or even just a Sprouts or Natural Grocers, I would support it, but enough of the WalMart's.

The variances were turned down, but the development is still going to happen. As long as it conforms to city code and design standards, they should be able to build it even if it is a Walmart, although I will not be excited about it not one bit.


Despite the variances being turned down, Shadid said Tuesday his clients plan to proceed with the development.

Edmond City Council denies variances for proposed grocery store | News OK (http://newsok.com/edmond-city-council-denies-variances-for-proposed-grocery-store/article/5365875)

Council denies grocery store?s road request - The Edmond Sun: News (http://www.edmondsun.com/news/council-denies-grocery-store-s-road-request/article_e62a1efa-6a1c-11e4-8895-1708e35dc1c5.html)

Just to update everyone. The request at the city council meeting for curb cuts in the center median to allow for left turns into the parking lot from Covell was denied by the city council. The applicant had requested that the request be delayed to a later meeting in order to present some new engineering data, the request was made late, just before the council meeting. The meeting had an overflow crowd that came to show that they did support the request based on safety and the cities own report on the Covell parkway. The city council was kinda stammering around on how to handle this. They finally agreed to go ahead and hear the request. Walmart was thrown out as a possibility.

I never heard Walmart was thrown out as a possibility. I heard that the developer still plans to continue on and that it is likely still a Walmart and the next step they will take is submit a site plan to the planning commission which will have to approve it if meets city codes and design standards. We're not out of the park yet and I'm almost certain this is a Walmart Neighborhood Market, but hopefully I'm wrong.

I watched the video of the meeting. It was brought up by one of the people who spoke out against it. They had heard that at a Neighborhood Conections meeting.

I watched the video of the meeting. It was brought up by one of the people who spoke out against it. They had heard that at a Neighborhood Conections meeting.Hopefully that is right then. It wouldn't be a Homeland because Homeland is only a mile away. The next best possibilities if not Walmart would be Crest or maybe WinCo is building here, although it would seem WinCo would be closer to a Walmart.

Case #SP14-00018 Public Hearing and Consideration of Commercial Site Plan Approval for a grocery store and convenience fuel sales to include site plan variances on the northwest corner of Covell and Coltrane. (MVG Development) Applicant is requesting a continuance to December 2, 2014 meeting.

http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=11&get_year=2014&dsp=agm&seq=5907&rev=0&ag=1279&ln=27750&nseq=5911&nrev=0&pseq=5906&prev=0#ReturnTo27750

Going up before the planning commission on the 2nd.

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Gas station
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- http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=11&get_year=2014&dsp=agm&seq=5975&rev=0&ag=1280&ln=27981&nseq=5976&nrev=0&pseq=5974&prev=0#

BTW, some major work is going to have to be done in creating a creek or a new underground tunnel for the water.

I can also see this being a Walmart. Looks like it will be nice.

I'm not anti-Wal Mart but too much of anything is a bad thing. Edmond has more than it's share of Wal Mart products.

I'm not anti-Wal Mart but too much of anything is a bad thing. Edmond has more than it's share of Wal Mart products.I agree with you really. I am still hoping this is another chain.

BTW, here are a couple more items up before the planning commission. This area is really going to get congested quick. I just wish they'd widen Covell to six lanes and be done with it.

http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=11&get_year=2014&dsp=agm&seq=5977&rev=0&ag=1280&ln=27983&nseq=5978&nrev=0&pseq=5976&prev=0# (366 new homes)

http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=11&get_year=2014&dsp=agm&seq=5976&rev=0&ag=1280&ln=27982&nseq=5977&nrev=0&pseq=5975&prev=0#ReturnTo27982

Update. The developer withdrew the request for site plan citing the curb cut issue and ingress and egress from the site. I guess for now no new grocery store there. I think that who ever tries to build on the site will be challenged due to the flood plain and topography of the site.

I'm going to assume it was a neighborhood market and to that I say I'm glad it didn't happen!

It probably was a walmart neighborhood market. It's sad that I have to assume almost every grocery store being built is another walmart neighborhood market. I'm glad it wasn't built. This is near my neighborhood. Let's step up the quality jeez Edmond... Thanks goodness for Uptown.

It probably was a walmart neighborhood market. It's sad that I have to assume almost every grocery store being built is another walmart neighborhood market. I'm glad it wasn't built. This is near my neighborhood. Let's step up the quality jeez Edmond... Thanks goodness for Uptown.

It likely was Wal-Mart being that they are the only national grocer in the market and the only one that seems to be aggressively expanding. I am sure the people at Uptown are breathing a sign of relief. Being that it's extremely unlikely a major national chain such as Kroger or Tom Thumb will enter the OKC market to save the day, it's up to Uptown Grocery and Crest Fresh Market to up the standard in this town. Hopefully the new Uptown on N May is successful and it leads to more locations. I would also like to see a Crest in the north metro of the same quality as the new one in Norman or the one on S May and 104th. Those are really nice grocery stores.

Uhg, Uptown as the standard? That's just lipstick on the Buy4Less pig.

... it's up to Uptown Grocery and Crest Fresh Market to up the standard in this town. ...

And Sprouts and Whole Foods and Natural Grocers.... Not sure if the Uptown on May/Britton will happen anytime soon, haven't seen anything happen there in a looooooooong time. Last time I drove by, it was at night, though, but all looked flat and dirt-y, nothing else.

Uhg, Uptown as the standard? That's just lipstick on the Buy4Less pig.We may not agree on a lot of things, but amen to this sir!

I've seen that creek flood the road before.

We may not agree on a lot of things, but amen to this sir!
What's wrong with Uptown? Personally, it's my favorite option in Oklahoma City. That includes Whole Foods. I haven't shopped at many other national brands. Sounds like you're looking for a "trendy" store instead if the best option.

I was not excited about it being a Walmart Market that was to be built there, but I was happy to have something there. It's very near my home and I was excited to have any option other than Homeland that close to home. I figured it wouldn't happen when I heard about it.

Uptown is a nice store, no doubt, and I do shop there occasionally. However, it's expensive and I have issues with their selection. I think it's great the way they offer all the natural/organic options, but by doing so, they limit the space they have to offer a large variety of sizes and brands of regular products. I will almost always have to go somewhere else to get things on my list when I shop there.

What's wrong with Uptown? Personally, it's my favorite option in Oklahoma City. That includes Whole Foods. I haven't shopped at many other national brands. Sounds like you're looking for a "trendy" store instead if the best option.

Meh. If you live nearby, uptown is fine for small trips. I find their selection to be limited, and their prices high. I can rarely find something there I can't find at Crest. But beyond that, if you haven't checked out the Buy4Less at 63rd and Portland, you should. It's got all the same high end, and specialty products, great layout, and more, plus much more selection, a teaching area, and other amenities. I would have expected Uptown to achieve something at least equal to that. The Homeland on May near Britton also has a selection easily as good as Uptown, without the price premiums. There are a few other exception stores in the city that IMO beat out uptown. That's not even looking at Whole Foods (which has the same price premiums as Uptown, but with more to offer) and the smaller specialty places like Sprouts and Natural Grocers.

Uptown is just another option... A solid option. I like how they differ than other grocery stores... They are attempting quality and they might not always come through, it's a step in the right direction. I agree N Edmond and NE Edmond could use another option.

Crest Fresh Market is easily the best regular grocery store in the metro. It's the one store I've been in here that is comparable in size, selection, and appearance to the standard grocery store in other cities (though Buy for Less on NW Expwy comes close). Unfortunately there are only two locations and they are both on the southside. I would really like to see a NW OKC Crest Fresh Market. At one point one was also rumored for Edmond somewhere along Covell but that may have fallen apart. Regardless of location, more of those stores are needed.

Walmart won't quit. I was reading today that Walmart is having a Community Connection meeting with area residents about a "new" proposed Walmart Neighborhood Grocery store at this location. Now they are not trying to hide it. Won't they ever give up?

I can't blame them for wanting to get one out there. It's a good location and they'll feed in from quite a few surrounding miles.

The basic problem with the location for Walmart or for that matter any other business is the location. Basically the area is low at the intersection and a gulley runs through the property. The intersection is one lane in each direction. The City of Edmond is not yet done with engineering work on widening and solving the water issues when it rains. Across the street to the south is a gas pipeline facility. One of the points that was brought up in the earlier planning commission and city council meetings is the issue with center island cuts near the intersection. Also the amount of traffic and problems turning into the location. I'm not against developing the piece of land, its just all parties will have to have the long term plans on widening the roads, water issues and traffic solved before construction can begin. Walmart wants to push ahead on it.

I live in the immediate area of the proposed new store. I received an email from someone in our neighborhood about the it just a few days ago, but it said that this time they were looking at the NW corner of the intersection rather than the SW corner, which they were looking at last time. I don't know if it was just a typo, or if Wal Mart has just moved across the street.

I believe its the same corner. Before that corner is developed, the City of Edmond needs to get their plans together on solving the water problems and need to widen the streets due to rapidly increasing amounts of traffic. After that happens then the debate on what is to be built can happen. I say its putting the cart before the horse.

Here we go again, on the Oct 20 th Planning Commision meeting, Walmart is submitting a proposal for a Walmart (most likely Neighborhood Grocery) store on the north east corner. Just wanted to update everyone.

Yes, a Neighborhood Market:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/walmartcovell.jpg

Honestly, at this point, it doesn't bother me that much. If the people are that opposed to then walk the walk and don't shop there. Let them build it and go out of business. Of course we all know that won't happen because people here love to talk the talk when it comes to Walmart.

How about everyone bands up together and builds their own grocery store instead of bitching about anything else that is proposed? There has to be new services to come with this sprawl that people here seem to think should be exclusive to them.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/walmartcovell2.jpg

I guess they're not doing the gas pumps on this one.

Northwest corner?