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juhobra
12-13-2022, 09:19 AM
Clearing continues and this space is getting very large. Also have the first building starting to come up. Anyone know what Jack's is that is being constructed?
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_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 10:03 AM
I definitely don't want the traffic that comes with a Buc-ee's, but would love to have one within a few miles!

I noticed they are moving quickly on a car wash — Jack's Car Wash. I have found no website or other information related to this specific brand. However, the land is owned by DBBB Investments, LLC. The address for this LLC is also the address for a home owned by Brent Amaya in Edmond. Brent is a dentist in Edmond and owns Modern Dental.

Any chance Pete or someone could get another aerial photo? They have cleared quite a bit more land over the last two months and added a few new roads and utilities. The picture from April is very outdated.

Pete
12-13-2022, 10:18 AM
This is a Google image from 7/3/22. I'll try and get out there with my drone in the near future.

HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo070322a.jpg

_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 10:45 AM
Clearing continues and this space is getting very large. Also have the first building starting to come up. Anyone know what Jack's is that is being constructed?
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Jack's is a Car Wash. I posted in the "Other Communities" forum with a few other updates since this is outside of Oklahoma County/Edmond. We need an updated aerial. There has been a lot of additional clearing, roads and utilities put in since April.

_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 10:56 AM
Having a new Braum's with their mini market will be really nice for the area. There are slim pickin's in the grocery department all the way up here so that will be a nice place to make a quick run. As of now, there are no quick runs anywhere up here really.

Braum's has purchased property in this development. According to county property records they own the SW corner lot on the first street by I-35.

_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 11:00 AM
The only other parcel with a different owner is the far north east parcel. It is apparently owned by A Warren Cat Dealer.
I have heard they are working on the north area so they can begin building the apartment units.
Going to be a very odd mix of things.

_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 11:07 AM
This is a Google image from 7/3/22. I'll try and get out there with my drone in the near future.

HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo070322a.jpg

Thanks, Pete!

I wish we could get more info out of them! As stated, they're "grumpy."

mugofbeer
12-13-2022, 11:11 AM
The one time I have had to deal with Logan County about something, they were completely unhelpful. They don't seem to like it when "outsiders" start asking them questions.

Pete
12-13-2022, 12:03 PM
Jack's is a Car Wash. I posted in the "Other Communities" forum with a few other updates since this is outside of Oklahoma County/Edmond. We need an updated aerial. There has been a lot of additional clearing, roads and utilities put in since April.

There were two separate threads which have now been merged to avoid confusion and duplication.

_Cramer_
12-13-2022, 01:51 PM
There were two separate threads which have now been merged to avoid confusion and duplication.

Thanks, Pete! ❤️

Pete
12-30-2022, 07:11 AM
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo122922a.jpg


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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo122922c.jpg

SEMIweather
12-30-2022, 10:20 PM
I’ve always said that Waterloo Road is the new S 19th Street, right down to the inadequate I-35 interchange lol

Bowser214
12-31-2022, 08:49 AM
I hear ABBA's Waterloo every time and that's not a bad thing for me.

Zorba
12-31-2022, 11:23 PM
That's been a lot of work for a car wash and a Braum's ;)

Pete
03-12-2023, 08:47 AM
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo031123a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo122922c.jpg

MelOK
03-13-2023, 04:17 PM
LOVE the updates!

_Cramer_
03-20-2023, 04:15 PM
Lot 8 is under development and will be a Wendy's.
Lot 1A has a LOI to be a Starbucks.

Car wash looks to be opening in the next month and Taco Bell should begin initial framing this week.

juhobra
03-22-2023, 12:13 PM
Any idea what the LOI may be for lot 13? Saw the framing did in fact start on the Taco Bell this week.

TornadoKegan
04-02-2023, 10:15 PM
i can see Edmond and maybe even Guthrie having similar Growth to Frisco and Prosper TX Today in 10-20 years

SEMIweather
04-03-2023, 07:56 PM
i can see Edmond and maybe even Guthrie having similar Growth to Frisco and Prosper TX Today in 10-20 years

Frisco and Prosper are reasonably well-planned, though. Meanwhile this development is getting built before Waterloo is widened or the I-35 interchange is improved, which feels like the opposite order of how things should go.

Hollywood
04-03-2023, 08:39 PM
Frisco and Prosper are reasonably well-planned, though. Meanwhile this development is getting built before Waterloo is widened or the I-35 interchange is improved, which feels like the opposite order of how things should go.

But "thats the way it's always been done". Instead of build and they will come, this area has always been if they come, we will get around to it. If the city planned ahead they'd had Kelly and Waterloo fixed up ahead of the last PGA visit to Oak Tree or they would have already had Covell done instead of just doing the 35 interchange and between Broadway and Santa Fe. Only making moves forward once traffic and growth have picked up enough to be a bigger inconvenience.

MagzOK
04-04-2023, 08:57 AM
But "thats the way it's always been done". Instead of build and they will come, this area has always been if they come, we will get around to it. If the city planned ahead they'd had Kelly and Waterloo fixed up ahead of the last PGA visit to Oak Tree or they would have already had Covell done instead of just doing the 35 interchange and between Broadway and Santa Fe. Only making moves forward once traffic and growth have picked up enough to be a bigger inconvenience.

Exactly this. Coming here from the Dallas area 24 years ago I noticed this right away. It's not just Edmond, it's all of Oklahoma. Tulsa also is awful. Edmond is awful. I will have to say hat's off to OKC for the NW sides of the city like Penn and May Avenues. Edmond could totally get ahead of it if they wanted. And yes, it's absolutely absurd that the city of Edmond, Oklahoma and Logan Counties can't get together and get Waterloo done up from 35 over to at least Broadway if not Kelly for Oak Tree. There's a lot of money to be made for those entities to get that roadway developed. There has got to be some sort of partnership there that can be made to get that done and get federal funds involved. It's absurd.

Hollywood
04-10-2023, 09:58 AM
Exactly this. Coming here from the Dallas area 24 years ago I noticed this right away. It's not just Edmond, it's all of Oklahoma. Tulsa also is awful. Edmond is awful. I will have to say hat's off to OKC for the NW sides of the city like Penn and May Avenues. Edmond could totally get ahead of it if they wanted. And yes, it's absolutely absurd that the city of Edmond, Oklahoma and Logan Counties can't get together and get Waterloo done up from 35 over to at least Broadway if not Kelly for Oak Tree. There's a lot of money to be made for those entities to get that roadway developed. There has got to be some sort of partnership there that can be made to get that done and get federal funds involved. It's absurd.

Just revisiting this as we came into the east side of Ft. Smith during a spring break trip. Noticed they are growing to the east and as we came into town it was through a sparsely developed area but the infrastructure was already in place with roadways mirroring the section of Covell between Broadway and Santa Fe. I'd be on board with a MAPS style tax to preemptively get that kind of infrastructure started ASAP.

BobbyV
05-05-2023, 03:03 PM
Frisco and Prosper are reasonably well-planned, though. Meanwhile this development is getting built before Waterloo is widened or the I-35 interchange is improved, which feels like the opposite order of how things should go.

Yep. Definitely out of order but par for the course for development in Southern Logan County and Northern Oklahoma County.

onthestrip
05-05-2023, 04:27 PM
Yep. Definitely out of order but par for the course for development in Southern Logan County and Northern Oklahoma County.

The market is under no obligation to wait for city or governmental authorities to get things done. In fact, the market will do a great job of showing where these improvements are needed. Otherwise you could end up with a bunch of expensive roads and infrastructure that may take years before you see much development around, such as Covell and 35. Not saying the work the city has done on Covell is wrong. But it shows the city really really wanted Covell and 35 to be a hub of development well before the market decided it should be.

mugofbeer
05-05-2023, 10:54 PM
Reading all the (yes, l'm borrowing) nattering nabobs of negativism on this thread, including some of my own, can just be laughable but one truth is if the county/state were to proactively build access roads along l-35 up to Guthrie, you'd likely see rather fast commercial development all the way up. I believe one of the reasons it was slow to happen along l-35 to Norman is the idiotic design of the interaction of the highway with the 2-way access roads at intersections. They couldn't be more inefficient and now the state is spending millions redesigning and rebuilding in Edmond (and soon in Moore) to modernize them. Build normal 1-way access roads and rapid development will come.

But then the posters who'd be upset about unbridled sprawl and the destruction of forest would complain. Texas encourages sprawl. DFW is the poster-metro for urban sprawl which is partially a reason for it's economic success.

Which way do you want it?

MagzOK
05-06-2023, 08:37 AM
^^ That's a great way to put it. Personally I like the sprawl. Maybe it's because I'm from Texas originally.

Hollywood
05-06-2023, 08:41 PM
Economic success.

Plutonic Panda
05-07-2023, 05:15 PM
I much prefer suburban sprawl as well. I’m looking at moving out of urbanized areas I currently live in one of which is Hollywood. I’m over it. I can’t afford anything in the hills and the sprawl in Palm Springs and Orange County makes me much happier than being in dense urban cities like SF and LA or NYC. They’re cool but only to visit.

Pete
05-18-2023, 09:49 AM
This project is now called The Landing at Waterloo.

Here is an updated site plan:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo051823a.jpg

Elrenogolf
06-13-2023, 08:47 PM
Looks like someone is proposing a truck stop across the street from this development on the Oklahoma County side of Waterloo. Pete - do you know which truck stop brand this would be?

Plutonic Panda
06-13-2023, 10:54 PM
Is 10 acres the size of a Bucee’s?

baralheia
06-13-2023, 11:40 PM
Looks like someone is proposing a truck stop across the street from this development on the Oklahoma County side of Waterloo. Pete - do you know which truck stop brand this would be?

That document lists the owner as Neal Do of Do Holdings; OpenCorporates lists their principal business address as 4015 N. PENN SUITE C OKLAHOMA CITY OK 73112 - which just so happens to also be the offices for eExpress.

Given that they're currently in the process of building a travel center / truck stop location in Moore (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=47171&p=1225415#post1225415), with amenities that closely match what's described in that planning commission notice, my gut says it's pretty likely eExpress is wanting to build here too.

SEMIweather
06-14-2023, 12:13 AM
That document lists the owner as Neal Do of Do Holdings; OpenCorporates lists their principal business address as 4015 N. PENN SUITE C OKLAHOMA CITY OK 73112 - which just so happens to also be the offices for eExpress.

Given that they're currently in the process of building a travel center / truck stop location in Moore (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=47171&p=1225415#post1225415), with amenities that closely match what's described in that planning commission notice, my gut says it's pretty likely eExpress is wanting to build here too.

Nice sleuthing

Elrenogolf
06-14-2023, 06:33 AM
That document lists the owner as Neal Do of Do Holdings; OpenCorporates lists their principal business address as 4015 N. PENN SUITE C OKLAHOMA CITY OK 73112 - which just so happens to also be the offices for eExpress.

Given that they're currently in the process of building a travel center / truck stop location in Moore (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=47171&p=1225415#post1225415), with amenities that closely match what's described in that planning commission notice, my gut says it's pretty likely eExpress is wanting to build here too.

Nice work, thanks for the info.

Pete
06-14-2023, 06:56 AM
I believe this is the property. Must be under contract (no doubt contingent on rezoning) because eExpress does not own it:


HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo061423b.jpg


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Elrenogolf
06-14-2023, 07:20 PM
I believe this is the property. Must be under contract (no doubt contingent on rezoning) because eExpress does not own it:


HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo061423b.jpg


HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo061423a.jpg

From what I am seeing on Nextdoor, it may be the property directly across from the new Taco Bell and Wendy’s.

Plutonic Panda
06-14-2023, 07:20 PM
Not big enough for a Bucee’s, huh?

Mountaingoat
06-14-2023, 07:25 PM
Not big enough for a Bucee’s, huh?

Don't need anymore Texas chains here. Go OnCue! :)

baralheia
06-16-2023, 12:59 PM
From what I am seeing on Nextdoor, it may be the property directly across from the new Taco Bell and Wendy’s.

I walked through the legal description of the property in your document via Google Earth, then verified via the Oklahoma County Assessor site - you are exactly correct. It's these two parcels:

https://www.okctalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18077&d=1686938318

TornadoKegan
06-17-2023, 04:38 AM
Don't need anymore Texas chains here. Go OnCue! :)

yes Oklahoma does not need a Bucees but Texas needs more OnCue

TornadoKegan
06-17-2023, 04:41 AM
also what are the chances of a walmart in the area?

juhobra
06-21-2023, 10:34 AM
When are they going to widen Waterloo? It is already too congested for the businesses and commuters there now.

Just the facts
06-21-2023, 10:55 AM
yes Oklahoma does not need a Bucees but Texas needs more OnCue

We took Bucees off of our road-trip itinerary when they switch from real coffee creamers to their plant-based sugar-free non-flavored creamer. Back to Love's we go.

Elrenogolf
12-03-2023, 06:24 PM
Looks like they are starting to move dirt for something else. Maybe the Braum’s?

Pete
12-12-2023, 02:45 PM
Looks like they are starting to move dirt for something else. Maybe the Braum’s?

Yes, Braum's. Also grading the area for the housing lots.


HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo121223a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo051823a.jpg

Richard at Remax
12-12-2023, 10:36 PM
Surprised there isn't one hotel proposed here yet

chssooner
12-12-2023, 10:39 PM
Surprised there isn't one hotel proposed here yet

There is a larger plot in the bottom left. I think that may be a hotel. It is also in an area where a hotel is not really needed, IMO.

jdross1982
12-13-2023, 10:59 AM
There is a larger plot in the bottom left. I think that may be a hotel. It is also in an area where a hotel is not really needed, IMO.

Especially when there is likely another Hotel coming to Covell and I-35.

_Cramer_
12-18-2023, 12:01 PM
The lot on the far west end (not in the pictured plan) on Sooner Rd. owned by an older couple has been sold to this developer. It appears some interior demolition has happened, but the house and out buildings should be demolished in the next few weeks.

_Cramer_
01-24-2024, 10:24 AM
Property records no longer show the private LLC (Starbucks) as owners of lot 1A. It appears to be back to the same owners as the other empty lots.
After some initial development momentum, surprised to see this change. Maybe the upcoming interchange redevelopment has something to do with it?

Pete
05-24-2024, 10:19 AM
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/waterloo052424a.jpg

borchard
05-24-2024, 11:02 AM
Two things I noticed when I drove by the other morning:
1. Holy crap! This is going to be a huge development!?!
2. Holy crap! IT is SO congested NOW?! What's it going to be like when the development is finished?

Pete
05-24-2024, 11:16 AM
Aren't there plans to rework that intersection with I-35?

It's a relic of days gone by when that was in the middle of the country.

jdross1982
05-24-2024, 12:02 PM
I believe that with the I-35 intersection rework, that waterloo will be expanded to Sooner. Haven't heard any of any other expansion but Waterloo has always been a tough stretch to get anything done because it is owned/cared for by two counties and neither want to pay for it by themselves.

BoulderSooner
05-24-2024, 01:13 PM
I believe that with the I-35 intersection rework, that waterloo will be expanded to Sooner. Haven't heard any of any other expansion but Waterloo has always been a tough stretch to get anything done because it is owned/cared for by two counties and neither want to pay for it by themselves.

the medium term plan is to make waterloo 4 lanes from I35 all the way to portland

jdross1982
05-24-2024, 02:00 PM
the medium term plan is to make waterloo 4 lanes from I35 all the way to portland

With to my knowledge zero funding to make that happen. OK county hasn't been able to fund Covell to Portland and it is much further along than Waterloo.

oklip955
05-24-2024, 06:30 PM
My understanding is the counties cannot do anything or make plans until ODOT figures out what they are doing with Waterloo and I 35 and have a plan and schedule. That is when they make make plans to do improvements to Waterloo rd.

oklip955
05-24-2024, 06:31 PM
For the time being, more homes are being built in the area so much more traffic on a poor road.

MagzOK
05-25-2024, 02:22 PM
There is something being built on the plot where the Starbucks was originally plotted on the map above. However later in the thread it's posted that Starbucks no longer was going in there. Drove by there a little while ago and there is a building with a drive thru being constructed, however there is no sign indicating what it will be.

Also yes, ODOT is supposed to be installing one of those diamond interchanges there at 35 and Waterloo. It needs it bad. They could do an immediate fix by working the signal lights. For example now, if you're exiting NB I35 to turn west on Waterloo when you get a green to turn left you proceed under the interstate only to be met by a red light. This creates complete gridlock. What needs to happen is that second light needs to turn green along with the NB exit for those turning to completely clear the interchange once they turn onto Waterloo. Then do this all the way around for all directions of travel. All of east/west Waterloo gets green lights, but then you get people wanting to turn onto the onramps but have to wait for a break in oncoming traffic, but it's gridlocked and nobody moves. Then all the on/off-ramp traffic gets greens and it results in the same because they end up stopping at the other on/off-ramp on the other side. By changing to what I've posted, everyone just goes through. I've emailed this to ODOT but nothing ever changes. It's a lot to write hahaha.

And actually, this needs to happen at many interchanges across the metro -- especially along the Kilpatrick at May, Penn, and Western. Once you get a green you should be able to proceed forward and actually clear the interchange not stop at the second light on the other side of the bridge. Complete chaotic gridlock at rush hour. I'm looking at you, May Ave......

I've also heard, though completely unconfirmed, that there is indeed talks going on between Oklahoma and Logan counties and the city of Edmond on widening Waterloo from 35 all the way to at least Kelly, with Oak Tree interest as well for access for future national tournaments they're wanting to bring in. Apparently ACOG and ODOT are already commingling with the federales for federal funds to pay perhaps an 80/20 split or even better with both counties and Edmond chipping in on the non-federal percentage.