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dankrutka
01-27-2016, 09:37 PM
For all of OKC's current economic woes, the continued maturation of the core is continuing to lay a nice foundation for a better, more diverse, and more walkable city. It's fun to see and easy to forget how quick things have transformed.

Pete
01-27-2016, 09:42 PM
There are still tons of projects with a lot in the pipleline not yet announced.

Just wait until the streetcar gets rolling... Infill will happen at an even greater pace then.

Pete
01-28-2016, 08:30 AM
Moved a bunch of posts here:

http://www.okctalk.com/general-food-drink-topics/28870-late-night-drink-dining-options-okc.html

White Peacock
01-28-2016, 09:16 AM
The variety in these first bookings almost feels deliberate, like they're saying "yes, you can expect some of THIS too..." About the only things missing at this point that I'd expect to see with some regularity is alt-country/Red Dirt, and Boomer-oriented acts like James Taylor. I'm sure you'll also see occasional metal and hip hop, but would expect those to be pretty carefully curated.

The only thing that excited me about the Criteron's arrival was the announcement that they were partnering with LiveNation (same group that books for House of Blues), so I'm hoping they'll bring all of the shows that I tend to have to drive to the Dallas HoB to see (or sit at home pissed off because I had to miss it). Since these are all metal shows I'm talking about, the current crop of bookings has so far failed to thrill me. Hopefully that will change soon.

BDP
01-28-2016, 09:54 AM
The only thing that excited me about the Criteron's arrival was the announcement that they were partnering with LiveNation (same group that books for House of Blues), so I'm hoping they'll bring all of the shows that I tend to have to drive to the Dallas HoB to see (or sit at home pissed off because I had to miss it). Since these are all metal shows I'm talking about, the current crop of bookings has so far failed to thrill me. Hopefully that will change soon.

I'm no metal aficionado (got nothing against it, though), but doesn't the Diamond cover that well? I know, I know, it's the Diamond, but I could understand the Criterion not doing as much of that to avoid market saturation. Or maybe it's just that they have the current tours already booked there and Criterion will start booking them once the next wave of tours starts lining up shows.

Just eyeballing it, it does look the Diamond has more metal shows booked than HoB Dallas, too. Or maybe that's a different kind of metal than you're looking for.

Richard at Remax
01-28-2016, 10:41 AM
dopamine

thank you kind sir. I got 4 tix yesterday

BDP
01-28-2016, 11:04 AM
Surrounding retail success holds key for Bricktown music district's survival in Oklahoma City | News OK (http://newsok.com/surrounding-retail-success-holds-key-for-bricktown-music-districts-survival-in-oklahoma-city/article/5474745)

Steve seems to suggest that the success of this venue may contribute to the mix of tenants that end up at the Steelyard. Agree or disagree?

That seemed to read more like it was saying that its the venue that needs retail and services to do well. It certainly can help, but I disagree with it in general. Even the example of Cain's is a good one from the opposite perspective. Cain's did just fine for a long time when it was out on an island in a pretty drab part of downtown. Things actually built up around it. And that's more the norm. Venues often emerge and thrive in undeveloped or forgotten parts of town, specifically because of the cheaper real estate and less concern of upsetting the neighbors. But as they draw traffic to the area, services begin popping up to take advantage of the traffic. So, I do agree with the concept that the venue can help the retail on the east side, but I'm not sure about the other way around, which is what I thought Pope was trying to say in the article.

The comments about the music lab have some merit though, but I think the Criterion will really help it. It has always had an out of place vibe, though, even when it was the green door. It's kind of this weird in-between venue where it feels more like it could be a good local venue or punk type place, but it also feels too open for that. Its sort of unfinished warehouse vibe makes it feel a little too rustic for larger touring acts too. So, I think it suffers an identify crisis. That being said, people should be paying attention to it for the shows they are booking. Honestly, I think if they just put down a wood floor, it would have a much more legit feel. It also doesn't have a real bar.

BDP
01-28-2016, 11:05 AM
thank you kind sir. I got 4 tix yesterday

Good deal. Haven't seen them since I lived in San Francisco right before they blew up. Will be kind of trippy for me.

TheTravellers
01-28-2016, 11:23 AM
...

The comments about the music lab have some merit though, but I think the Criterion will really help it. It has always had an out of place vibe, though, even when it was the green door. It's kind of this weird in-between venue where it feels more like it could be a good local venue or punk type place, but it also feels too open for that. Its sort of unfinished warehouse vibe makes it feel a little too rustic for larger touring acts too. So, I think it suffers an identify crisis. That being said, people should be paying attention to it for the shows they are booking. Honestly, I think if they just put down a wood floor, it would have a much more legit feel. It also doesn't have a real bar.

I believe that since they're school-affiliated, they can't have a real bar (which is why I bought a hip flask), but I don't think they even sell water. It is just a concrete/brick box with no personality whatsoever, the shows I've seen there overcame that with their sheer power (Black Angels, Boris, Swans), but it would be nice if they did *something* to the non-existent decor.

BDP
01-28-2016, 11:28 AM
I believe that since they're school-affiliated, they can't have a real bar (which is why I bought a hip flask), but I don't think they even sell water. It is just a concrete/brick box with no personality whatsoever, the shows I've seen there overcame that with their sheer power (Black Angels, Boris, Swans), but it would be nice if they did *something* to the non-existent decor.

Yeah, I agree. And I think you're right about the bar, though when I saw Dawes, they had sort of a catering type bar set up, but not when I've seen local stuff there. It is a hurdle from it feeling like a "real" venue for sure.

It's funny because when the Green Door moved into that space, it was almost like it was too nice, and certainly too big. It kind of worked in the old space (now 89th St. Collective, and was Conservatory before that). However, now as a place booking larger acts across genres, it's not nice enough.

Bullbear
01-28-2016, 12:31 PM
That would be AMAZING! Probably one of my favorite music groups at the moment, but I didn't see it on their website yet. Looks like they play Coachella right before that and then bounce back to the UK in June. So if this is true I imagine a fair number of people from this part of the country will head to OKC for this show.

have looked all over Gazette.. can't find anything about Disclosure playing here. :(
maybe I missed it.. but I hope its true.

OkieHornet
01-28-2016, 01:30 PM
have looked all over Gazette.. can't find anything about Disclosure playing here. :(
maybe I missed it.. but I hope its true.

yesterday's issue in the back half. can't remember the page, but it's a half-page vertical ad for the criterion showing all their upcoming shows. disclosure is the last one listed.

White Peacock
01-28-2016, 01:58 PM
I'm no metal aficionado (got nothing against it, though), but doesn't the Diamond cover that well? I know, I know, it's the Diamond, but I could understand the Criterion not doing as much of that to avoid market saturation. Or maybe it's just that they have the current tours already booked there and Criterion will start booking them once the next wave of tours starts lining up shows.

Just eyeballing it, it does look the Diamond has more metal shows booked than HoB Dallas, too. Or maybe that's a different kind of metal than you're looking for.

Diamond is good about bringing metal, but only occasionally my kind of metal, hence my occasional trip down I-35.

OkieHornet
01-28-2016, 02:24 PM
Diamond is good about bringing metal, but only occasionally my kind of metal, hence my occasional trip down I-35.

what's your kind of metal?

traxx
01-28-2016, 03:55 PM
Restaurant / bar in The Plow

People gonna be gettin' plowed at The Plow

dankrutka
01-28-2016, 03:58 PM
People gonna be gettin' plowed at The Plow

Plowed -- a bar for binge drinking. ;)

LocoAko
01-28-2016, 11:01 PM
https://twitter.com/stphntylr/status/692476851814555652

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZwsBxGWEAEB6PW.jpg

White Peacock
01-29-2016, 08:11 AM
what's your kind of metal?

Mostly black metal and doom, but I dig some death metal as well. Last year, Mayhem and Watain toured together and hit the HoB in Dallas, but I had to miss it. If they had a show in OKC, I'd have been able to see them. The year prior, I had to miss the Behemoth, Goatwhore, 1349, & Inquisition tour, which stopped at the House of Blues in Dallas. I did go to HoB Dallas to see Ghost and Behemoth in recent years, so it's my hope that all these great tours that hop over OKC on their way to Dallas will stop at the Criterion. It's rare for them to stop at the Diamond, although I'm grateful when they do.

Andrew4OU
01-29-2016, 08:18 AM
have looked all over Gazette.. can't find anything about Disclosure playing here. :(
maybe I missed it.. but I hope its true.

12146

NWOKCGuy
01-29-2016, 08:28 AM
Interesting.... I wonder why they haven't announced yet.

Spartan
01-29-2016, 08:29 AM
And Third Eye Blind. They are 3 for 3 on shows I'd love to go to...

Colbafone
01-29-2016, 09:55 AM
Mostly black metal and doom, but I dig some death metal as well. Last year, Mayhem and Watain toured together and hit the HoB in Dallas, but I had to miss it. If they had a show in OKC, I'd have been able to see them. The year prior, I had to miss the Behemoth, Goatwhore, 1349, & Inquisition tour, which stopped at the House of Blues in Dallas. I did go to HoB Dallas to see Ghost and Behemoth in recent years, so it's my hope that all these great tours that hop over OKC on their way to Dallas will stop at the Criterion. It's rare for them to stop at the Diamond, although I'm grateful when they do.

Behemoth and Goatwhore were both at the Chameleon Room two summers ago. I know because my buddies band, Dischordia, opened for them. Pretty awesome concert. Unfortunately the Chameleon Room is gone.

Colbafone
01-29-2016, 09:57 AM
Also Black Crown Initiate played like two weeks later at the Chameleon Room. It was an awesome month for metal.

Urbanized
01-29-2016, 10:06 AM
I found Poppe's quotes in that article to be completely misguided. First off, as has been pointed out up-thread, Cain's existed for years as one of the best venues in the region if not the nation with ZERO amenities nearby. NOTHING. ZIP. Imagine OKC's Farmers Market - except without Powerhouse and with pipe and other industrial yards instead of produce sellers - and you have a close approximation of what it was like around Cain's for DECADES. I didn't hurt Cain's viability AT ALL. They were still bringing great shows. As was mentioned previously, the venue will attract the surrounding services, not the other way around.

Second, he makes it seem like there is an amazing cluster of bars all around Cain's, and zero bars and restaurants near Criterion. Both things couldn't be further from the truth. There are two great bars, Yeti and (especially good) Soundpony, then it's about a block-and-a-half walk to Hunt Club and a couple of others, then even further to the rest of the bars in the surrounding district. The type of bar that is best is a matter of taste, of course, but I will promise that there are more bars within a minute or two walk of Criterion than there are Cain's, and there are likely to be even more when Steelyard comes online. Cain's is still pretty remote (though getting better), and to suggest otherwise is pretty disingenuous.

Finally, there is the comment he made about "a million bucks to park". I don't think it was intentional, but once again this was a dishonest comparison. Yes, you can still park for free in the angled-parking spots running down the street, but don't plan on doing so unless you get there hours before the show. The parking lots surrounding Cain's and Brady are now nearly all paid, JUST LIKE LOTS IN A THRIVING URBAN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT USUALLY ARE. More and more are paid every time I visit, and that's perfectly OK. If I can't afford to pay five bucks to park I probably have no business traveling up the turnpike to see a show. As for the Criterion, if you must have free parking, Deep Deuce is only a couple of blocks away.

I respect Poppe, but I think his comments come from a stubbornness that the cool kids have regarding assigning any cool factor to Bricktown or accepting that it is emerging as the live music district in OKC. Will great restaurant/retail/services in The Steelyard and surrounding area likely be hugely beneficial for the experience of going to a show at The Criterion and nearby venues? Of course. And in turn the shows WILL have a huge impact on neighboring establishments. But the nearby bars will NOT be make-or-break for the venue; that all boils down to shows.

Pete
01-29-2016, 10:12 AM
^

You can easily walk to/from the Wedge, Slaughter's Hall, WSKY, Deep Deuce Grill, Urban Johnnies and Anchor Down in Deep Deuce as well.

Then of course, you have a ton of great existing places in Bricktown very nearby.


I often think that people here don't actually get out and walk around these districts to see how easy and close all these things are.

Think about events at CHK or the Cox Center. People park blocks away and walk in. Same thing will happen here and I imagine many people will arrive early for a meal and/or drinks, or stay afterwards for the same.

TheTravellers
01-29-2016, 10:27 AM
Mostly black metal and doom, but I dig some death metal as well. Last year, Mayhem and Watain toured together and hit the HoB in Dallas, but I had to miss it. If they had a show in OKC, I'd have been able to see them. The year prior, I had to miss the Behemoth, Goatwhore, 1349, & Inquisition tour, which stopped at the House of Blues in Dallas. I did go to HoB Dallas to see Ghost and Behemoth in recent years, so it's my hope that all these great tours that hop over OKC on their way to Dallas will stop at the Criterion. It's rare for them to stop at the Diamond, although I'm grateful when they do.

Ghost is going to be at the Diamond on 5/17, if you didn't already know. I only remember that because there's a great Japanese band named Ghost, and I wondered why they were playing the Diamond in OKC, lol....

shawnw
01-29-2016, 10:54 AM
You can easily walk to/from the Wedge, Slaughter's Hall, WSKY, Deep Deuce Grill, Urban Johnnies and Anchor Down in Deep Deuce as well.

Easy for most, including myself. But neither route -- via the tracks/parking lot behind Wedge or via Russell Perry -- has sidewalks to speak of, which remains a major annoyance for most, but possibly a non-trivial impediment for others... just wondering how long until this oversight is addressed...

White Peacock
01-29-2016, 11:23 AM
Ghost is going to be at the Diamond on 5/17, if you didn't already know. I only remember that because there's a great Japanese band named Ghost, and I wondered why they were playing the Diamond in OKC, lol....

Already got my tickets! For a while, the Swedish Ghost had to go by Ghost B.C. in the US because of a conflict with the Japanese band. I guess they got it cleared up and they've reverted back to their original Ghost.

White Peacock
01-29-2016, 11:39 AM
Behemoth and Goatwhore were both at the Chameleon Room two summers ago. I know because my buddies band, Dischordia, opened for them. Pretty awesome concert. Unfortunately the Chameleon Room is gone.

Interesting. The tour announcement included the Chameleon Room gig, but the Chameleon Room never advertised it themselves, and when I contacted them directly they informed me that the booking agency jumped the gun and the date was never confirmed and wouldn't be held. The most recent event I can find confirming Behemoth stopped in OKC was in 2012 when two festivals met in the same spot with Watain, The Devil's Blood, Cannibal Corpse, and others. Fantastic show, by the way.

Looks like the show you're talking about was Goatwhore headlining and Black Crown Initiate either co-headlining or opening; Dischordia opened that show. There was no Behemoth at that one.

2Lanez
01-29-2016, 12:55 PM
Easy for most, including myself. But neither route -- via the tracks/parking lot behind Wedge or via Russell Perry -- has sidewalks to speak of, which remains a major annoyance for most, but possibly a non-trivial impediment for others... just wondering how long until this oversight is addressed...

Right. There's just a much cooler, more urban vibe along Brady and Main in Tulsa. Full blocks of historic, all-brick buildings, construction out to the street and big sidewalks. I hear Urbanized on the anti-Bricktown sentiment, but in comparison to the Brady District, not all of it is unfounded.

shawnw
01-29-2016, 01:27 PM
My comments were strictly limited to accessibility

Pete
01-29-2016, 01:31 PM
Right. There's just a much cooler, more urban vibe along Brady and Main in Tulsa. Full blocks of historic, all-brick buildings, construction out to the street and big sidewalks. I hear Urbanized on the anti-Bricktown sentiment, but in comparison to the Brady District, not all of it is unfounded.

It's funny how people here completely discount the incredible amount of historic building stock in Bricktown and double the amount of restaurants and bars there vs. basically the same area covered by the Brady District.

Bricktown will soon have 10-12 hotels... How many in the Brady? 1? Any residential at all? Certainly nothing like the canal, boat rides, modern movie theater, etc. How many decent sized office buildings and employers?

Sheridan will soon be almost solid on both sides of the street between the RR tracks and Lincoln, pretty much all built out to the curb and a much longer stretch than any urban district in Tulsa.


I don't want to turn this into yet another Tulsa/OKC pissing contest but Bricktown is much, much more developed than any other urban district in the state and has way more in the pipeline as well.

bchris02
01-29-2016, 01:43 PM
The perception of Bricktown would change with a reconfiguration of the streets to make it more pedestrian friendly and less auto-focused. Also, more placemaking is necessary. Tulsa's Brady District "feels" nicer, not because of what its offers but because its built for people first rather than cars first. It's the same deal with West End in Dallas or Old Town in Wichita.

Something like P180 or the ongoing Western Ave project in Bricktown would be awesome and it would drastically change the feel of the area. There will be no need for Reno and Sheridan to be wide, four lane expressways once the new boulevard is complete.

Pete
01-29-2016, 01:47 PM
^

Bricktown has an active plan to completely redo the sidewalks and lots of the landscaping.


By the way, Shawn's comments were about walking to and from Deep Duece and Bricktown, not within Bricktown itself. Let's please (and I mean you bchris) not seize on yet another somewhat critical comment and ride off in a bunch of different negative directions.

As things stand now, there are absolutely zero issues walking around and to and from various places within Bricktown.

sooner88
01-29-2016, 01:53 PM
Barring any extraordinary events, there should be plenty of time to complete construction by Ben Rector's show on March 26th, right? I assume that brick will go up faster than I am thinking and the build out on the inside is relatively minimal.

Pete
01-29-2016, 01:56 PM
Easy for most, including myself. But neither route -- via the tracks/parking lot behind Wedge or via Russell Perry -- has sidewalks to speak of, which remains a major annoyance for most, but possibly a non-trivial impediment for others... just wondering how long until this oversight is addressed...

Actually, there is a brand new sidewalk all along Russel Perry from Deep Deuce into Bricktown.

The Hill just put it in up to the tracks, then it picks up from there in front of what will be the Hyatt and AC Hotels. They have already put in those sidewalks and completely red-done the intersection at Sheridan and there are also new sidewalks on the south side of Sheridan and there will be on both sides all the way to Lincoln once the Steelyard and all those projects are complete.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/steelyard063015.jpg

bchris02
01-29-2016, 02:02 PM
By the way, Shawn's comments were about walking to and from Deep Duece and Bricktown, not within Bricktown itself. Let's please (and I mean you bchris) not seize on yet another somewhat critical comment and ride off in a bunch of different negative directions.

My response was to 2Lanez, who brought Tulsa into the conversation saying the Brady District feels more urban and inviting. He isn't the only person I've ever heard say that, and I was simply stating why people feel that way.

That's the thing with good urbanism. People know they like it, but a lot of people don't understand why they like it until you point out certain things.

Pete
01-29-2016, 02:05 PM
And people from other cities think Bricktown is amazingly urban and inviting and it certainly is in many respects. Guarantee you that way, way more people go to Bricktown every year than the Brady District.

The grass is always greener and objectively, there is way more density and everything else in Bricktown.

PhiAlpha
01-29-2016, 02:06 PM
I found Poppe's quotes in that article to be completely misguided. First off, as has been pointed out up-thread, Cain's existed for years as one of the best venues in the region if not the nation with ZERO amenities nearby. NOTHING. ZIP. Imagine OKC's Farmers Market - except without Powerhouse and with pipe and other industrial yards instead of produce sellers - and you have a close approximation of what it was like around Cain's for DECADES. I didn't hurt Cain's viability AT ALL. They were still bringing great shows. As was mentioned previously, the venue will attract the surrounding services, not the other way around.

Second, he makes it seem like there is an amazing cluster of bars all around Cain's, and zero bars and restaurants near Criterion. Both things couldn't be further from the truth. There are two great bars, Yeti and (especially good) Soundpony, then it's about a block-and-a-half walk to Hunt Club and a couple of others, then even further to the rest of the bars in the surrounding district. The type of bar that is best is a matter of taste, of course, but I will promise that there are more bars within a minute or two walk of Criterion than there are Cain's, and there are likely to be even more when Steelyard comes online. Cain's is still pretty remote (though getting better), and to suggest otherwise is pretty disingenuous.

Finally, there is the comment he made about "a million bucks to park". I don't think it was intentional, but once again this was a dishonest comparison. Yes, you can still park for free in the angled-parking spots running down the street, but don't plan on doing so unless you get there hours before the show. The parking lots surrounding Cain's and Brady are now nearly all paid, JUST LIKE LOTS IN A THRIVING URBAN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT USUALLY ARE. More and more are paid every time I visit, and that's perfectly OK. If I can't afford to pay five bucks to park I probably have no business traveling up the turnpike to see a show. As for the Criterion, if you must have free parking, Deep Deuce is only a couple of blocks away.

I respect Poppe, but I think his comments come from a stubbornness that the cool kids have regarding assigning any cool factor to Bricktown or accepting that it is emerging as the live music district in OKC. Will great restaurant/retail/services in The Steelyard and surrounding area likely be hugely beneficial for the experience of going to a show at The Criterion and nearby venues? Of course. And in turn the shows WILL have a huge impact on neighboring establishments. But the nearby bars will NOT be make-or-break for the venue; that all boils down to shows.

All very good points.

Plutonic Panda
01-29-2016, 02:17 PM
And people from other cities think Bricktown is amazingly urban and inviting and it certainly is in many respects. Guarantee you that way, way more people go to Bricktown every year than the Brady District.

The grass is always greener and objectively, there is way more density and everything else in Bricktown.+1

Spartan
01-29-2016, 02:18 PM
The person you're talking about is a music writer. He writes about music. He has never once covered urban development/planning/community.

I think he's just trying to say that Cain's is great because it has authenticity of place going for it, but he's still searching for those words and the deadline came and went. He's right that Criterion won't immediately have that unless we do some placemaking efforts designed to specifically add character to a stark, newly-minted urban neighborhood.

That said, I don't think lacking a distinctive neighborhood vibe will hold Criterion back. It's not as if anyone will confuse this for the Bricktown Events Center, which is very blah.

sooner88
01-29-2016, 02:20 PM
As long as they have LiveNation booking for them there should never be a problem.

Spartan
01-29-2016, 02:31 PM
Right. I think this whole discussion, which is really just a constructive debate that Poppe has seemingly started, is more about the concert-going experience. We know this will be successful on paper. But you build it, get the best booking agent, bring in the right mix of shows, have a good mix of bars and booze around - then what? I think that's the point.

We will need to take a new look at Bricktown as a whole once this east end of it is finally finished. Once the dirt stops moving, reevaluate what we have. Then engineer the visitor experience. We'll still have the same family friendly components as always, but we'll have added new hotels, concert venues, restaurants, bars, and living as well. I imagine a lot of house parties in new apartments popping up in Bricktown, which to me is why someone would pay extra to live there to begin with. The overall product is a tapestry with unique concentrations scattered around.

Really, now is probably the time to re-streetscape Bricktown. We know this needs to be done. I'd argue better to get all of the construction out of the way now, but alas, that's not happening. It would be beneficial to do streetscaping and placemaking consistently on Sheridan and Reno, which would tie all of these concentrations together. So that way someone coming to the Criterion also gets to experience Old Bricktown, so they won't come away thinking it was all bland and newly-minted. We need coffee shops in the new east end to draw family tourists from Old Bricktown, so they don't come away thinking Bricktown isn't getting new businesses. Also most of the hotels are developing toward the east end of the district - they will need a streetscape that facilitates their wayfinding and walkability to the CBD core for meetings, conventions, etc.

Lastly: The streetscape will be HUGE for all of these goals, as it traverses Sheridan and Reno. Maybe that is both our streetscaping and placemaking impetus, and tearing up those streets can be done in conjunction with public art, wayfinding signage, sidewalk treatments, etc...

shawnw
01-29-2016, 02:56 PM
Actually, there is a brand new sidewalk all along Russel Perry from Deep Deuce into Bricktown.

The Hill just put it in up to the tracks, then it picks up from there in front of what will be the Hyatt and AC Hotels. They have already put in those sidewalks and completely red-done the intersection at Sheridan and there are also new sidewalks on the south side of Sheridan and there will be on both sides all the way to Lincoln once the Steelyard and all those projects are complete.


I've walked that way a bunch but probably not since the new sidewalks, so I stand corrected and will check it out soon.

Pete
01-29-2016, 02:58 PM
It's really just that little stretch along a vacant lot in Deep Deuce where the ugly hotel was nixed.

Besides that and and directly over the tracks, things are a millions times better.

Colbafone
01-29-2016, 10:13 PM
Interesting. The tour announcement included the Chameleon Room gig, but the Chameleon Room never advertised it themselves, and when I contacted them directly they informed me that the booking agency jumped the gun and the date was never confirmed and wouldn't be held. The most recent event I can find confirming Behemoth stopped in OKC was in 2012 when two festivals met in the same spot with Watain, The Devil's Blood, Cannibal Corpse, and others. Fantastic show, by the way.

Looks like the show you're talking about was Goatwhore headlining and Black Crown Initiate either co-headlining or opening; Dischordia opened that show. There was no Behemoth at that one.

When I got home from work, I looked up my ticket and you are totally right. I thought it was separate concerts. Wrong. I saw Behemoth somewhere else, but I can find my ticket for it or remember where. /shrug

Urbanized
01-31-2016, 12:58 PM
...It's not as if anyone will confuse this for the Bricktown Events Center, which is very blah.

I think you are referring to the exterior and surroundings, in which case I agree that there is still plenty worth improving there. But for the record the room itself is now excellent - first rate, really - since the recent renovation. I have very high expectations for the Criterion too, but at the end of the day I think booth venues will be very similar in quality. The Chevy is a jewel of a room.

sooner88
02-01-2016, 04:59 PM
First red dirt concert announced.... Randy Rogers Band May 21st.

Also the Let's Dance tour... "Let’s Dance is a U.S. concert tour starring today’s most popular hip-hop choreographed dance music (CDM) artists, Silento, iLOVEMemphis (fka iHEARTMemphis), DLOW, We Are Toonz and 99 Percent." on April 1st.

Pretty diverse group of first announcements.

Pete
02-01-2016, 06:57 PM
BTW, I've been meaning to mention that Live Nation does not have exclusive booking rights for the Critierion.

Rather, they are contracted for a certain number each year then the Levelland group (Wormy Dog, Tower Theater) can book the rest of time.


One other thing with Live Nation... There are some acts that are contracted with them exclusively and they literally can't play a venue other than those with agreements with Live Nation.

dankrutka
02-01-2016, 09:11 PM
Also the Let's Dance tour... "Let’s Dance is a U.S. concert tour starring today’s most popular hip-hop choreographed dance music (CDM) artists, Silento, iLOVEMemphis (fka iHEARTMemphis), DLOW, We Are Toonz and 99 Percent." on April 1st.

I've always appreciated hip hop as a dance genre, but ever since I first saw Fik-Shun I've been even more intrigued...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6-SnUl0A0

Just a good excuse to share this classic....

Dustin
02-01-2016, 09:22 PM
Fik Shun is an amazing hip hop dancer. He won Sytycd last year I believe.

jccouger
02-02-2016, 10:46 AM
now THIS is big time. Woah.

U.K. duo Disclosure shares Oklahoma concert date | News OK (http://newsok.com/u.k.-duo-disclosure-shares-oklahoma-concert-date/article/5476277?utm_campaign=LOOKatOKC&utm_source=Social&utm_medium=LOOKFB)

Pete
02-02-2016, 10:47 AM
^

You must have missed it but we posted that a week ago.

jccouger
02-02-2016, 10:49 AM
^

You must have missed it but we posted that a week ago.

oh dang, I did. I was traveling for work last week & missed a lot.

Either way, great news (sorry for being late!)

Pete
02-02-2016, 10:57 AM
Even if you follow this site closely, I recommend people follow us on Twitter (@OKCTalk) as well.

We don't retweet or favorite or talk about what I had for lunch... Just a list of the more important bits of info that you can scroll through at any time.

dankrutka
02-02-2016, 12:31 PM
We don't retweet or favorite or talk about what I had for lunch...

Liar!
12168
https://twitter.com/OKCTalk/status/616024549914640384

Ha ha. Just kidding.

twade
02-02-2016, 12:36 PM
oh dang, I did. I was traveling for work last week & missed a lot.

Either way, great news (sorry for being late!)

I really hope it is their DJ set. They were phenomenal at EDC last summer!

Bullbear
02-02-2016, 01:10 PM
Today was just finally the official announcement and it hit their website ect. but they did put in Gazette last week but that was only place the show was listed.
seeing the full list of dates added for Disclosure I know we had compared the Bomb Factory to Criterion as far as size of venue for shows. they also Are playing Bomb factory.

sooner88
02-02-2016, 02:01 PM
One thing I just noticed about the Disclosure concert... They're playing in Dallas the night before on a Thursday, and then OKC that Friday. It looks like they're making an effort to book far out in advance and on Thursday/Friday nights which will be a welcome change.

_Cramer_
02-02-2016, 02:46 PM
Actually, there is a brand new sidewalk all along Russel Perry from Deep Deuce into Bricktown.

The Hill just put it in up to the tracks, then it picks up from there in front of what will be the Hyatt and AC Hotels. They have already put in those sidewalks and completely red-done the intersection at Sheridan and there are also new sidewalks on the south side of Sheridan and there will be on both sides all the way to Lincoln once the Steelyard and all those projects are complete.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/steelyard063015.jpg

I'm hoping the P180 type redo in Bricktown looks like this! Nice wide sidewalks and crosswalks with two-lane roads and a center turn lane. Very few on-street parking spaces is good with me too. Sheridan like this west to the tracks, Reno from Lincoln to the tracks. :congrats:

Would we ever consider having parking in the middle lane when not close to an intersection, to be used as a turn lane? I know large cities on the east coast have this type of parking. Curious if OKC would do it too?