Or they're smelling money now......

The incident that started this was brought to the police a while back. If this second incident is just coming out and was not reported when it happened, I find the mother at least as abusive. She's looking for her piece of the pie.

Or they're smelling money now......

The incident that started this was brought to the police a while back. If this second incident is just coming out and was not reported when it happened, I find the mother at least as abusive. She's looking for her piece of the pie.

Really? Gold digger or not, comparing her to be "at least as abusive" to someone that has physically drawn blood from a child to be probably one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. I'm hoping I'm reading it wrong.

Or they're smelling money now......

The incident that started this was brought to the police a while back. If this second incident is just coming out and was not reported when it happened, I find the mother at least as abusive. She's looking for her piece of the pie.

It was reported back in June, he said he was trying to discipline the child and he accidentally hit his head on the car seat. It's crap, but that closed the abuse report at DHS.

But now there is a pattern of abuse.

NFL career ending and jail time coming up in 3...2...

Even though you may be correct the case of Leonard Little still defies logic....

After leaving a birthday party in 1998, Little crashed into and killed Susan Gutweiler in St. Louis, Missouri. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent, a level in excess of the statutory level of intoxication (0.08) in the state of Missouri. Little received four years probation and 1,000 hours of community service.

On January 18, 2003, with charges dating back to 1999, Little was charged with communicating threats and making harassing calls according to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police department. Little's attorney, Scott Rosenblum, said the charges were filed after Little and his former girlfriend ended their relationship. Rosenblum added, "We don't think this case is going anywhere. It was groundless from the beginning".

On April 24, 2004, he was arrested again for driving while intoxicated after being stopped by The Ladue Police Department for driving 78 in a 55 mile-per-hour zone on Interstate 64. At the time he had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted drinking alcohol to the police. After being convicted of misdemeanor speeding but acquitted of DWI, Little was sentenced to two years' probation on May 6, 2005.

It was reported back in June, he said he was trying to discipline the child and he accidentally hit his head on the car seat. It's crap, but that closed the abuse report at DHS.

But now there is a pattern of abuse.
There may indeed be a pattern but that's only been suggested and it was apparently investigated but not enough evidence found to bring charges. They only need a preponderance for a child abuse allegation to be upheld.

Physical and/or verbal abuse often leaves emotional as well as physical scars. In most cases, abusers will continue to abuse... ...it's just a matter of time.


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Physical and/or verbal abuse often leaves emotional as well as physical scars. In most cases, abusers will continue to abuse... ...it's just a matter of time.


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Absent some intervention, I agree. And even with counseling, parenting classes, protective orders, "relapses" (for want of a better word) are common. It is hard to change learned behavior, especially if the person tends to erupt during high emotion or otherwise has specific triggers.

AD's comments about loving his son, learning better ways and feeling bad about it are very typical of most of my excessive discipline cases. Some people just don't know a better way but nearly all of them would tell me, later, that they learned a lot from parenting classes and were glad they took them. Even the ones furious that they were questioned. IMO, all parents should take age appropriate parenting classes to get ideas.

Yes, and in addition, something I've gleaned a lot of valuable information from was asking the advice and counsel of friends who are good, solid parents (mainly as evidenced by their well-adjusted, happy, smart children). These people have shared a wealth of good advice, tricks of the trade, ideas I had never thought of, etc. They have also reassured me that I'm not the worst mother in the world and that they, too, have bad days along with the good. It's been great for a person such as myself who only has one child and has no previous experience with caring for children or siblings.

Why is she bringing this out now rather than last June? Smelling $ now?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but wouldn't she fare better monetarily if AD didn't go to jail and didn't lose his career? Presumably, he wouldn't be able to continue paying child support at the levels he's paying now if he loses his income source.

Sorry, double post.

This stuff makes me so sad. I've got 2 kids. One is in college and the other 5th grade. I've never felt the urge to punish either one of them physically. I couldn't even imagine striking one of them.

Even though Peterson is activated for Sunday's game, pressure is increasing for the Vikings to suspend him until the legal charges are resolved.

The governor of Minnesota made that public appeal, Nike pulled their Peterson merchandise, etc.

I don't think this is going to blow over any time soon, and as much as I like AD and admire his athletic abilities, maybe this is a good thing. As I've said, it's long past time for a brighter light to shine on this issue.

Really? Gold digger or not, comparing her to be "at least as abusive" to someone that has physically drawn blood from a child to be probably one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. I'm hoping I'm reading it wrong.

No. I meant exactly what I said. If she knew about it and failed to report it then she is just as responsible - especially if he drew blood. If you cant see this, then you really need to open your eyes. Now a later poster said she did report it in June, so if that happened, then fine. But I'm still curious and skeptical about Mom#2's motives for the release through "sources." Peterson's lawyer is denying this one.

It warms my heart to perceive that CivicSportsLeaders of Minnesota Sports (including TheVikings) have decided that a running back is innocent before being proven not innocent and have put him back on the field of play. It would be, like heresy, to tilt the point spread over unfounded allegations. Wouldn't it?

Especially when an opponent (defensive linebacker who was beat up as a kid) does a vigilante deal on a tackle during the course of the game. Something along the lines of that Joe Thiesman jolt back in the day . . . and draws a flag.

Even though Peterson is activated for Sunday's game, pressure is increasing for the Vikings to suspend him until the legal charges are resolved.

The governor of Minnesota made that public appeal, Nike pulled their Peterson merchandise, etc.

I don't think this is going to blow over any time soon, and as much as I like AD and admire his athletic abilities, maybe this is a good thing. As I've said, it's long past time for a brighter light to shine on this issue.

I wonder what Jessie Ventura would have said if he were contemporaneous of the situation . . . =)

Vikings deactivate Adrian Peterson indefinitely - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000396097/article/vikings-deactivate-adrian-peterson-indefinitely)

Adrian Peterson has been banned from all team activities until his legal situation is straightened out. I think this might be a good thing for all the parties involved.

The Vikings just had a press conference where they talked more about deactivating Peterson.

Since the trial won't happen until next year, he seems to be effectively done for the season.

Also, Nike has completely suspended their sponsorship.


As so often happens in these situations, once public opinion kicks in the businesses involved "do the right thing" (meaning it's the best business decision for them) and the accused stands alone.

Also goes to show how quickly things can change when you are in the public eye.

We need to be outraged by the actions of people who commit domestic abuse of family members.


Judge Who Beat His Wife Bloody Strikes Deal To Avoid Prosecution

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Judge Mark Fuller

This case has received little attention. We hear news about these NFL athletics; what about this judge?

Congress, you can impeach Mark Fuller (Opinion) - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/opinion/granderson-mark-fuller/index.html)


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Will he still be getting checks while he is out? Hope this dosnt affect his ability to pay child support for his 7 kids.
Edit...
Just saw on NLFN that he will be getting his salary.

Will he still be getting checks while he is out? Hope this doesn't affect his ability to pay child support for his 7 kids.
Edit...
Just saw on NLFN that he will be getting his salary.

Seven? Wow! No comment... ...wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft., pole.

Heard a report this morning (via CNN) that Peterson will receive his $600,000 plus a week salary in accordance with his contract. Adrian will receive compensation from the NFL and an extended year long vacation.

You can rest assured that his children will be provided their share in child support. Let's hope the mother has an investment egg for the children's future.


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A couple of things... first, he was the noncustodial parent, so he had no business using this sort of punishment unless he consulted with the custodial parent. And with regard to these custodial parents, was this really the first time this happened? I highly doubt it. Parents who fail to report the abuse of the other parent, if known about, are just as guilty and these kids ought to be in foster care if that's the case.

Second, Peterson is going to get his shot with a jury unless he cuts a deal. I've represented kids who have experienced worse and I've represented parents who have been worse kinds of abusers and I seldom if ever see the criminal charges associated with the abuse be fully prosecuted. Here's hoping AD can get the same fair shake everyone else gets to where he can stipulate that something happened, then work through CPS to address his issues and eventually regain unsupervised visitation. I really hope some hotshot ADA doesn't decide to make an example out of this guy--something which would harm both AD and his children.

I can't imagine he'll get jail time.

But his reputation is ruined and although he may draw an NFL paycheck for now, any future deals will be lessened by this and he's already lost his Nike endorsement, which is no doubt worth millions.

There probably isn't a whole lot more that will come out about this case. Peterson was very open with the authorities all along, they have his texts and the pictures.

The only thing that could make this get a lot worse for him is that more incidents are brought to light.



And BTW, the point about the mother not reporting is a very important one. While she didn't make it a point to hide the injuries, the only reason this was reported was due to a previously scheduled doctor's appointment, and then the doc had to report.

Almost always, by the time someone is caught doing something illegal or high immoral they've been doing it for a while without being detected.

We already know that Peterson thinks what he did was right, and seemed to be truly shocked when the authorities became involved. And even then, he spoke to them honestly and without a lawyer, further demonstrating he thought he had done nothing wrong.

So, all that implies he's done this a bunch of times and it finally caught up to him.

It also goes to show (especially when reading discussion about this topic on other forums) how many parents also believe that this sort of discipline is generally acceptable, as long as the kid doesn't bleed or there are a lot of residual marks.

And that last point is the one that scares me most of all and why in many ways I'm glad this is coming out.

...As so often happens in these situations, once public opinion kicks in the businesses involved "do the right thing" (meaning it's the best business decision for them) and the accused stands alone.

Also goes to show how quickly things can change when you are in the public eye.
A little off-topic, but this is exactly the reason I think the Joe Mixon incident will be difficult for Mixon and OU to weather when the video is released, regardless of whether OU handled it correctly. Public outrage and media sensationalism are difficult to predict in advance.

At the risk of being accused of sort of echoing the thoughts of Malcolm X and Ward Churchill (sort of, with a lot of respect for the former and zero respect for the latter) . . . Isn't this all about the Cultural Phenomenon of the Unintended Consequences of "'Baby's Mama's' coming home to roost?" Or is that "mama's babies"? ....whatever.

Sorry . . . I'm sure I've misread the entire situation due my cultural and decadematrixian bias. Nevermind.

I'll bet Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are totally flipping out right about now in terms of how to respond to this affront to human dignity.
(sorry . . . it's that bias thing again.)

These decisions when it concerns physical violence are not difficult. We have to be swift, consistent and accurate as we weigh each case on its individual merits.

We should expect the same of our leadership; judges, coaches, players etc. It's not difficult; no one should be above the law or given a pass.


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I think its clear that this is an issue on which society is starting to change its views. While I've never inflicted the kind of punishment AP allegedly inflicted, I dont want to see his entire career/life ruined over it, either. Too many people still are fine with corporal punishment and too many received it growing up. My mom used a paint paddle and planed off baseball bats were used for "licks" in schools such as Taft when I was there. Whether everyone agrees with it or not, most people feel spankings are ok. Punishment yes, felony jail time, no......followed by lots of counseling and parental training.

You've got to understand what has occurred throughout the 'Black culture & experiences of society in general.' Yet, there is still no excuse for this type of behavior directed toward any human being. Much of this kind of violent behavior has been passed down since slavery. Don't think that there isn't a link. People talk about 'spare the rod and spoil the child;' yet they forget that the rod was used to guide and comfort the flock--not to punish.

Much of this has been engrained into 'black culture' and society throughout history. Some black parents have been taught that they have to get a handle on their children or the police will. Many take it upon themselves to take on this role; however, there's a better way. My mother taught me that you can't 'hit me' and then turn around and tell me that you love me.

I'm so glad that this is spilling over with the attention it has received through the NFL. You couldn't have found a better stage. The NFL will survive.

There definitely needs to be a new direction in which we discipline children today without the use of physical violence and/or corporal punishment. This belief that has been instilled into many of us about well it was done to me and look how I turned out; that's a lot of bull you-know-what...

This goes beyond just the NFL players out there who are subject to the current spotlight.

It takes patience to raise children. It takes time to put them on track along with love and guidance. Physical abuse and violence directed toward society has got to stop. It's got to STOP and NOBODY should be given a pass.


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It is wrong to inflict actual, physical damage on a child. Spanking a child shouldn't involve actual, physical damage. Spanking is simply a way to get a child's immediate attention and to let them know you really mean business when they completely ignore whatever it was that you instructed them to do or not do. I had to spank my, now grown (and mother of my grandson) daughter one time. Only one time. And in so doing learned the truth behind the cliché, "this hurts me more than it hurts you." (although I, personally didn't verbalize that trope). I mentioned this to my wife (whose father was apparently an "overzealous" disciplinarian when she was growing up) and she said, "You should have spanked her a lot more."

I disagreed, but kept my opinion to myself. I guess that's being passive-aggressive or whatever . . . =)

(btw: when I was on the receiving end of a few spankings, in my formative years, with the weapon of choice being one of those thin leather belts from the 50's, I realized pretty quick that the trick is to grab the belt and hold onto it for dear life until you were positioned to make a run for the bathroom and lock the door. Then climb out the window above the tub. And go on about your business. It was always one of those "YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL YOUR FATHER GETS HOME" deals and I'm sure he was too tired, old and uninvolved by the time he did get home to continue to make an issue out of whatever I had done to deserve punishcorrection.)

yet another memory flutter: years later, when I was in High School, and pretty radical rather than moderate, if a "coach" or "assistant principal" had threatened me with a paddle of some sort I probably would have replied, "you hit me with that and I'm going to shove it so far up your a$$ that the surgeons will need a telescope". Fortunately, "Corporal Punishment" was outlawed in the public schools where I sort of grew up. I did, however, have the opportunity, when called into the wiry, wrestling coach/assistant principal's office, during some Student Unrest, back in the day, and was threatened with "We will call the police . . . or Marge! Call the police!!) I just looked at his AsstPrin Disciplinarian self and said, "So what are you gonna charge me with MF'er?" It was an anti-war, free speech demonstration deal going by our little school and he thought I was a rabble-rouser or something. =)

ppppps: I will never forget what one of my customers said (when I was a biker/bartender/bouncer) at a semi-local dive on the outskirts of OKC proper: "No Matter How Big A Man Is, There Is A Paddle Made To Fit His Ass". without corporal punishment that Factoid would mean nothing . . . wouldn't it? =)

Oh! Semi-Poetic Interlude, harking back to Posts #73 and #78: If they want to "deactivate" Peterson, why don't they simply slice his Achilles Tendon? It's just above the heel.

I think its clear that this is an issue on which society is starting to change its views. While I've never inflicted the kind of punishment AP allegedly inflicted, I dont want to see his entire career/life ruined over it, either. Too many people still are fine with corporal punishment and too many received it growing up. My mom used a paint paddle and planed off baseball bats were used for "licks" in schools such as Taft when I was there. Whether everyone agrees with it or not, most people feel spankings are ok. Punishment yes, felony jail time, no......followed by lots of counseling and parental training.

Just out of curiosity . . . How does "Society" change its views?
(sorry . . . that's better left to The Historians and The Sociologists . . . and the Spin Doctors (PR/ADudes) =)
Yet . . . somehow . . . I believe it can actually be changed one mind at a time.

as old and frail as I am . . . I promise that if I see actual child abuse being inflicted in the parking lot or aisles of say . . . Walmart or wherever . . . I Will intervene. It's that Good Samaritan sorta thing . . . ain't it?

I promise that I won't look at it as a "specTater sport" on an I-phone or whatever.

(segue to The MooreNaziCopZnTheaterParkingLot incident . . .)
(replay . . . replay again . . . and again . . . )

In case you don't get the point: Child Abuse is Inexcusable. It's The Law.
(and Mug . . . mi amigo . . . nothing is ever actually clear. =)

(ps: the one that got to me was that NewZ event from a couple of decade back about those two babies stuck in a freezer on purpose down around Norman about the time some election was getting ready to happen.)

The NFL suspended him for the rest of the season. I'm not sure I agree with that. He's gone through the legal process and received his punishment but should he also lose his paycheck as well?

What he did was incredibly regrettable, but he needs parenting classes rather than prosecution and league suspension. This whole thing is a make-up call for the botched handling of the Ray Rice incident.

The NFL suspended him for the rest of the season. I'm not sure I agree with that. He's gone through the legal process and received his punishment but should he also lose his paycheck as well?

I think he has received his paycheck each week up until this week,

What he did was incredibly regrettable, but he needs parenting classes rather than prosecution and league suspension. This whole thing is a make-up call for the botched handling of the Ray Rice incident.
And Ray Lewis.

He killed a guy but was still able to play in the NFL and be seen as a swell guy.

And Ray Lewis.

He killed a guy but was still able to play in the NFL and be seen as a swell guy.

Allegedly :cool: