Great pics, Pete!

I'm still wondering what the hold up for RH is. Everything around them is starting and moving quickly. Them? Nah.

As I said many many weeks ago, none of this will be built. It’s clear as day a grift. How some of you don’t see it, is perplexing to me.

As I said many many weeks ago, none of this will be built. It’s clear as day a grift. How some of you don’t see it, is perplexing to me.

None of what will ever be built?? It's been getting built for a couple years now.

As I said many many weeks ago, none of this will be built. It’s clear as day a grift. How some of you don’t see it, is perplexing to me.

Too lazy to check the previous page (where Pete posted a bunch of photos)? Anyway, where have you been lately? You're actually confusing all of us here.

Too lazy to check the previous page (where Pete posted a bunch of photos)? Anyway, where have you been lately?

He said this about the Boardwalk development and might have clicked the wrong thread...

As I said many many weeks ago, none of this will be built. It’s clear as day a grift. How some of you don’t see it, is perplexing to me.

What? LMAO

I think you might have meant to post this in the Boardwalk at Bricktown / Dream Hotelhttps://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=46342.

Yes. Sorry. I have no idea how that comment ended up in this thread. Meant for the Dream hotel thread.

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Crazy how this moved to fast. Looks completed different without the cranes.

By July or August, at least Capital Grille and the hotel will be open, maybe Pottery Barn. Then most everything else (apart from RH Gallery) will be open by the fall.

I would also expect some more announcements in the summer as well as the reveal of several new-to-market restaurants for Phase II.

It's seemed to take forever but now things are progressing very quickly.

Is the office phase still projected at 100,000 square feet?

Is the office phase still projected at 100,000 square feet?

As far as I know, it's still the same height and scope as the last renderings.

There will be restaurant and retail space at ground level there, too.

Good deal

Work has started at RH Gallery. Pottery Barn is flying. You can see a big Oak tree has been planted as well.

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Grrreat!

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This is going to be a very nice area - and certain to be jammed for the first several weeks/months. Hopefully it will be wildly successful and encourage more development like this around the metro.

On their website, Capital Grille had previously posted the OKC location would open July 26th.

It's been changed to Fall 2024.

I guess RH is ok with opening in 2025, and mid-2025, at that, it seems. Weird that the other 2 buildings around it are basically done (with the shell, at least) and RH has not even foundation work started.

I guess RH is ok with opening in 2025, and mid-2025, at that, it seems. Weird that the other 2 buildings around it are basically done (with the shell, at least) and RH has not even foundation work started.

LOL how many times are you going to post this?

It's so great seeing the trees all leafing out.

I guess RH is ok with opening in 2025, and mid-2025, at that, it seems. Weird that the other 2 buildings around it are basically done (with the shell, at least) and RH has not even foundation work started.

It's going to be okay! I promise!

LOL how many times are you going to post this?

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I guess RH is okay with a 2025 opening.


I'll see myself out lol

I guess RH is okay with a 2025 opening.


I'll see myself out lol

Plot twist: they are not ok with opening in 2025. The regional manager has been losing sleep on it. Lol

Is there any planned improvements to the intersection at all when this is done?

Plot twist: they are not ok with opening in 2025. The regional manager has been losing sleep on it. Lol

Do you know what happened and why their construction started so much later than the others?

Is there any planned improvements to the intersection at all when this is done?

Which intersection? There have already been changes at the NWX and Penn intersection.

Do you know what happened and why their construction started so much later than the others?

Oh my god

Which intersection? There have already been changes at the NWX and Penn intersection.

Sorry, I meant the whole intersection. I know they did changes for the bus lane, but I am curious if there would be pedestrian improvements in case people want to walk from PSM to OAK.

Interactions like this is why I would think that a pedestrian bridge should be in order. NWX is a massive 6-lane stroad with a patch of grass serving as a divider, but crosswalks could prove hazardous to pedestrians as there are inattentive drivers. I know that would make it more car-friendly, but we have to have some measure of safety for those who are disabled or young looking to make the trek across what is basically a 6x9-lane intersection (including turning and bus lanes).

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Drove by on Penn the other day. The angle of the hotel really "hides" its size for people traveling on NWX. When you go by on Penn it just feels so much bigger. I think having Brick so far up the East elevation makes it feel even bigger - something about those small individual units makes mid-rise buildings feel larger.

Really wish the office was set to be as tall as it used to be. I think new buildings in this area of the city that surpass 10 floors would really do a lot to highlight just how critical this section of NWX is to the greater OKC area. There's a reason that it was chosen for BRT and continues to hit home runs with retail.

Hey Gaeddert2, Thanks for that very comprehensive trip through The Oak. This project is nothing less than terrific. Between your and Pete’s drones and Pete’s excellent photographs and updates, the construction of this project will have been as fully documented, in real time, as any development in our city’s history.

Does everyone think the OAK and Penn Square can co-exist?

Does everyone think the OAK and Penn Square can co-exist?

Not sure about everyone, but I certainly do.

Not sure about everyone, but I certainly do.

I know in Dallas, Northpark co-exists with The Shops at Parklane which is across the highway. Parklane reminds me of The Oak. But Dallas is also a lot larger market.

Does everyone think the OAK and Penn Square can co-exist?

Classen Curve has co-existed with the Belle Isle Station and Penn Square for years. This is another reason why Oak developers see this as the perfect spot.

Does everyone think the OAK and Penn Square can co-exist?

Two completely different types of retail. More options + the hotel and apartments should do nothing but bring more people into the area and help both

Two completely different types of retail. More options + the hotel and apartments should do nothing but bring more people into the area and help both

What I'm noticing is Penn shifting more to traditional mall retailers, especially with the demise of Quail Springs. Penn Square is essentially the last major retail center for traditional mall retailers in the OKC market, with Quail Springs winding down. Local shops like BC Clark, Mr. Ooleys, etc. are leaving. And more upscale stores like Williams Sonoma and Pottery Barn are more traditionally located in mixed use open air shops. Just look at Tulsa...they're located in Utica Square, not Woodland Hills. I guess if Utica Square and Woodland Hills can co-exist, Penn and OAK can co-exist.

Penn Square and OAK are going after different markets. They absolutely can co-exist and most cities have examples of enclosed traditional malls and upscale outdoor centers, often in close proximity.

I do wonder a little bit about the competition between OAK and Classen Curve/Nichols Hills Plaza. Those concepts are similar enough that they may be fighting for the same tenants. Although at this point OAK seems to be exclusively national names, where CC/NHP have more local places.

Restaurants and retail generally do best en masse, especially retail.

Downtown and Memorial Rd. will suffer from Oak more than Penn Square/Classen Curve

Restaurants and retail generally do best en masse, especially retail.

Downtown and Memorial Rd. will suffer from Oak more than Penn Square/Classen Curve

Memorial will not suffer, and I doubt downtown will either. It isn't an either/or situation.

Memorial will not suffer, and I doubt downtown will either. It isn't an either/or situation.

Memorial will be fine in general, but it no doubt has to compete with this area.

Downtown retail almost surely suffers from the success of the Belle Isle/Penn/Classen&63rd area.

Does everyone think the OAK and Penn Square can co-exist?

Absolutely, retail supports retail, this is the main shopping hub for a huge chunk of Oklahoma in general. Especially in the case of large destination retailers like department stores and brand flagship / magnet kinds of stores that have 1 maybe 2 locations max in the entire state, being close to other major retail outlets only helps.

Now, who do I have to kill to finally get a F*cking Nordstrom (or any like, REAL department store) in this god forsaken city ?!?! I'm still so irritated that this development is so exciting and attractive and just has the most painfully dull, pedestrian retailers I could have imagined, I mean, I'll be glad the Williams and Sonoma is coming back, but outside of that this adds no hot modern retail stores of any kind. I hope that changes as the project nears completion, but so far it is just like, oh cool another dated but slightly repackaged concept from a mall 10 years ago, mall clothes, mall furniture, bleh. Beautiful development with a list of flyover state stores, it's a bummer

When was the last time Nordstrom opened a new store that wasn't a Rack?

The reality is that the number of department stores of 125,000 square feet and up isn't really growing. Especially not "hot modern" ones.

So, I wouldn't expect it to happen anytime soon in this market or any of the not forsaken ones, either.

It has to be said that Dillard's -- and especially the two large stores at Penn Square -- is darn good. Von Maur, too.

I used to love Nordies when I lived in L.A. and had to wear a suit every day (*suit*, not a sportcoat and no casual Fridays) and their customer service is outstanding, but I started to buy only tailor-made clothing from an outfit that would come to your office and they were no more expensive and infinitely better.

Nordstrom sportswear and casual stuff can be bought in other places, including online. I'm not sure they are nearly as relevant as they once were in the 90s and 00s. And they really are just a big clothing and accessories store, not a true department store.

Now Bloomingdale's would be a big deal but that is never going to happen.

Memorial will be fine in general, but it no doubt has to compete with this area.

Downtown retail almost surely suffers from the success of the Belle Isle/Penn/Classen&63rd area.

How so?

Von Maur would’ve been a better fit at Penn Square. They’re not doing well at Quail Springs. The city offered them several
Incentives based on sales targets and they’ve met none of them. Had they not invested so much in remodeling that space, I doubt they’d still be there. With Macys on the decline, Von Maur would’ve been a better fit in that space at Penn. a Scheels would be great too. I’d love to see both stores replace Penney’s and Macys at Penn. Doubt Penney’s will leave though since they’re jointly owned by Brookfield and Simon.

It has to be said that Dillard's -- and especially the two large stores at Penn Square -- is darn good. Von Maur, too.

I used to love Nordies when I lived in L.A. and had to wear a suit every day (*suit*, not a sportcoat and no casual Fridays) and their customer service is outstanding, but I started to buy only tailor-made clothing from an outfit that would come to your office and they were no more expensive and infinitely better.

Nordstrom sportswear and casual stuff can be bought in other places, including online. I'm not sure they are nearly as relevant as they once were in the 90s and 00s. And they really are just a big clothing and accessories store, not a true department store.

Now Bloomingdale's would be a big deal but that is never going to happen.

Bloomingdale's would be unbelievable. The Midtown Manhattan location is my favorite US Department store.

It has to be said that Dillard's -- and especially the two large stores at Penn Square -- is darn good. Von Maur, too.

I used to love Nordies when I lived in L.A. and had to wear a suit every day (*suit*, not a sportcoat and no casual Fridays) and their customer service is outstanding, but I started to buy only tailor-made clothing from an outfit that would come to your office and they were no more expensive and infinitely better.

Nordstrom sportswear and casual stuff can be bought in other places, including online. I'm not sure they are nearly as relevant as they once were in the 90s and 00s. And they really are just a big clothing and accessories store, not a true department store.

Now Bloomingdale's would be a big deal but that is never going to happen.


This actually just isn't true, nothing at Dillards isn't cheap Chinese made crap, they don't have a single line that isn't a hedge fund owned brand that just contract manufactures overseas.

Nordstrom at least carries well made things and are relevant in so many ways to actual modern fashion, Von Maur is a literal joke for christian grandmothers, Dillards is adequate in a vacuum where there are no actual major brand boutiques or higher tier department stores, I mean, Dillards considers Hugo Boss to be stylish mens wear, there is literally 20 years of major brands not carried at all. Even painfully dated lines like Theory, Rag and Bone and Vince are like too high end and edgy for Dillards lol

There is zero Todd Syder, APC, Acne Studios, Buck Mason, AMI, Beams, Thom Browne, 3sixteen on and on and on and the fragrances, womens lines, and accessories are even worse, no Aesop, no Diptyque, DS & Durga blah blah blah nothing modern AT ALL These aren't niche or strange brands they are COMMON and easy to buy in multiple outlets in all major cities (like even Columbus or Pittsburgh or San Antonio or cities we pretend to be larger than) the retail here is pathetic.

There is literally nothing outside of underwear I would even buy at Dillards or any other store in Penn or Quail.

Growing up here I'm tired of the 'you can buy it in other cities or online stuff'. There is millions being spent on a retail development and it's for the same old boxy suits, chinese made hawaiin shirts and chinese made particle board white box faux vintage furniture we already have. I shop, I shop for real, and sorry, but I'm just not that excited about a bunch more stores I can't buy things at. We haven't even caught up to the retail trends of 2017. Luckily we do have By.E and a small number of actually interesting retailers that make it not completely miserable, but still, it's frustrating to not even have a place to try things on at. I have to drive out of state to even buy a suit online (lol because wow can you not buy a good suit here AT ALL)

Anyway, like I said, I'm hopeful that as the place gets closer to completion there will be some actual exciting announcements

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OKC has always been a place that has relied on really good men's stores rather than department stores.

Mr. Ooleys and Steven Giles along with Alton's in Edmond are darn good. Rye 51 has a bunch of higher-end fashion stuff. We now have a dedicated Allen Edmonds store at Classen Curve. Until recently we had Orbach's, Harold's, the Squire Shop and a bunch more.

I only shopped at Nordies in L.A. because there was a dearth of nice dedicated men's stores. And even then I spent more money at Saks and Bloomies and Barneys (which is now a Saks).

I used to love Nordstrom but they now feel pretty tired and I stopped shopping there long before I moved back to OKC. I'd like to get them just from a prestige factor but otherwise don't miss them at all.

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OKC has always been a place that has relied on really good men's stores rather than department stores.

Mr. Ooleys and Steven Giles along with Alton's in Edmond are darn good. Rye 51 has a bunch of higher-end fashion stuff. We now have a dedicated Allen Edmonds store at Classen Curve. Until recently we had Orbach's, Harold's, the Squire Shop and a bunch more.

I only shopped at Nordies in L.A. because there was a dearth of nice dedicated men's stores. And even then I spent more money at Saks and Bloomies.

I used to love Nordstrom but they now feel pretty tired and I stopped shopping there long before I moved back to OKC. I'd like to get them just from a prestige factor but otherwise don't miss them at all.

And, like you mentioned earlier, OKC's Penn Square Dillards are both basically at Nordstrom's level. Dillards as a whole, no. But OKC's has their nicest brands (literally a whole section of Creed cologne, for example, that sells VERY well).

OKC (or Columbus. Pittsburgh or San Antonio, for that matter) may not have any of the brands he mentioned, but those are very niche (not Common, like he thinks), and are not indicative of OKC being a poor retail market. i don't know where he is coming from.

The problem is that everyone wants to compare our offerings to Dallas or L.A. which are the very biggest consumer markets in the country.

Because of the high prevalence of locally-owned men's stores here, I think we have had far better offerings than most cities of our size.

Plus, it's not that difficult to drive down to Dallas.

The problem is that everyone wants to compare our offerings to Dallas or L.A. which are the very biggest consumer markets in the country.

Because of the high prevalence of locally-owned men's stores here, I think we have had far better offerings than most cities of our size.

Plus, it's not that difficult to drive down to Dallas.

I need to check out more of them. I've been to Mr Ooley's before, but definitely want to go to Allton's!

I agree with Pete. If you're not from here (moved here in the last several years) then you're going to be looking for Saks etc. But the local shops here are really good. I believe Alton's has their stuff custom made. Ooley's tends to have a lot of European stuff, especially suits. These places are not your cheap, Chinese fast fashion like Jo Bank etc. You just have to know where to look.

I've only been to Von Maur a couple of times. I think they have nice merchandise but I like the selection at Dillard's better. (for me) I do appreciate VM's Christmas decorations. I think OKC could support a Nordstrom. Wishful thinking I know.
My best friend is an assistant mgr at Pottery Barn on Knox St in Dallas. One of the highest volume stores. He says he has many customers from OK. He'll text me "just had a family spend 20K on their 10 yr old's room." or " just had a 65k sale" crazy.

I shop, I shop for real…

Calm down, guy. Lol