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Trip
10-25-2022, 12:42 AM
Coincidentally, the New York Times just did an article on RH's restaurants - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/dining/restoration-hardware-restaurant.html.

Plutonic Panda
10-25-2022, 05:20 AM
Utica Square is nothing unique and honestly was a huge let down when I first went there. Arguably it currently is one of the nicest shopping destinations in the entire state but that isn’t saying much and they really need to do an update to remain competitive with OKC. They should develop their surface lots and put the parking underground. I’ll also second Pete’s thoughts about Saks Fifth. When I went there I thought it was a joke. I wonder if corporate even knows that store exists. It needs a major remodel and expansion.

progressiveboy
10-25-2022, 09:07 PM
Very nice for OKC! This development looks like it will be very unique for the city. Crate & Barrel would be nice too! Also, Peter Millar and Tommy Bahama for the gents, and Tori Burch and Kate Spade for the ladies! I could see a Louis Vuitton too!

HOT ROD
10-25-2022, 11:51 PM
So thrilled with Oak so far and I am excited for more announcements; OKC is moving into the 2nd tier with these new to market additions.

I would LOVE to see 50 Penn Place get some love, with a LV renovation. Add in Gucci and the others while we're at it.

Jeepnokc
10-26-2022, 07:09 AM
If these guys had any real pull....we would see a white castle or In and Out Burger :Smiley122

Ginkasa
10-26-2022, 08:31 AM
I'm gonna jump in before the In N Out haters get here...

White Castle is straight garbage. At one point at the theatre we had frozen White Castle sliders we'd heat up in the Amana oven and they weren't good, but I figured it was unfair to judge them based on that. Tried them in Vegas, but the set up was kind of weird and I was honestly unsure if it was a full White Castle or something so I thought well shouldn't judge them from that. Tried them in Chicago at an honest to goodness, full size, free standing White Castle and they were still not good.

Like I get how they could appeal as stoner food a la Harold and Kumar, but if for some weird reason it ever came down to White Castle and In N Out there is really no contest.

Pete
10-26-2022, 08:38 AM
For this project, Shake Shack would make the most sense and as I mentioned before, I'm sure the developers are recruiting them.

Shake Shack often locates in properties like OAK.

Jeepnokc
10-26-2022, 08:39 AM
White Castle is straight garbage.

Blasphemy. Nothing better as drunk food or hangover food. They really aren.t comparable as completely different styles. Like comparing Popeyes to Wingstop. Both are chicken but not the same style. I'll take either WC or In and Out

brianinok
10-26-2022, 09:02 AM
Are we really talking about White Castle (or even In n Out) in the same development-- same phase even-- as RH? I hope not. Shake Shake, great. The prior two can go further out on NW Expressway by Baptist Hospital.

Jeepnokc
10-26-2022, 09:46 AM
Are we really talking about White Castle (or even In n Out) in the same development-- same phase even-- as RH? I hope not. Shake Shake, great. The prior two can go further out on NW Expressway by Baptist Hospital.

It was tongue in cheek

DowntownMan
10-26-2022, 09:50 AM
This development has me interested. I’ve been watching homes between the area of OAK and 63rd so this will be something I watch closely!

Ginkasa
10-26-2022, 09:53 AM
It was tongue in cheek

Yeah, and I was just playing off of the circular argument that always happens when In N Out is brought up about it being overrated, etc. I just decided to pounce on White Castle first (which, BTW, I can agree with it being good drunk, stoned, hangover, food; I just wouldn't go there sober lol).

I recognize this was off topic so apologies there. I agree a Shake Shack would be cool here.

Richard at Remax
10-26-2022, 09:58 AM
Where are all these shoppers and residents of the apartments gonna eat? At Eataly of course (please)

Jeepnokc
10-26-2022, 10:03 AM
At Eataly of course (please)

Good suggestion. That would be amazing!

Roger S
10-26-2022, 10:25 AM
It was tongue in cheek

HA... Yep.... I was just wanting a WC right in my backyard... Not at Oak.... That's a long drive for me.

stlokc
10-26-2022, 11:32 AM
It's interesting to me how food and restaurants have risen to consume such a huge portion of our mindset when discussing retail offerings. And I don't write that as an accusation - I'm the same way. But the first offering announced in this development is a huge restaurant, Capital Grille, one of the second two places announced, RH, has a restaurant incorporated into it, and yet more food in whatever capacity (from Eately to fast food) has taken over the "speculation game" on this thread already.

Pete
10-26-2022, 12:11 PM
^

It's the same with the OKCTalk social media posts.

When you think about it, even though something like Restoration Hardware is very cool, only a very small percentage of people will actually buy something there. But with bars and restaurants, even if someone never goes most like to think they might, so anything about food and drink gets a lot of attention.

It's the same about office buildings. If they are tall and add something to our skyline, there is some interest. Otherwise, most people don't care about a building they almost certainly will never have reason to go in. As cool as the Citizen project is, our posts about it got very little traction on social media.

By the same token, convenience stores get lots of engagement because it's the place that almost everyone visits on a weekly basis.

April in the Plaza
10-26-2022, 12:13 PM
It's interesting to me how food and restaurants have risen to consume such a huge portion of our mindset when discussing retail offerings. And I don't write that as an accusation - I'm the same way. But the first offering announced in this development is a huge restaurant, Capital Grille, one of the second two places announced, RH, has a restaurant incorporated into it, and yet more food in whatever capacity (from Eately to fast food) has taken over the "speculation game" on this thread already.

Yeah, most of the RH discussion on the OKCTalk instagram post is centered around the restaurant, which does make sense. The average person isn’t in RH’s target demographic, but they could probably swing brunch on the rooftop every so often.

catch22
10-26-2022, 12:33 PM
^

It's the same with the OKCTalk social media posts.

When you think about it, even though something like Restoration Hardware is very cool, only a very small percentage of people will actually buy something there. But with bars and restaurants, even if someone never goes most like to think they might, so anything about food and drink gets a lot of attention.

It's the same about office buildings. If they are tall and add something to our skyline, there is some interest. Otherwise, most people don't care about a building they almost certainly will never have reason to go in. As cool as the Citizen project is, our posts about it got very little traction on social media.

By the same token, convenience stores get lots of engagement because it's the place that almost everyone visits on a weekly basis.

It shows a stark contrast between the forum and social media and why there doesn’t seem to be a lot of overlap. This is typical for other hobbies I follow. Forums go way too in depth for the typical social media engagement. People will argue for 10 pages on the difference of a building material or sidewalk width. On social media a new gas station will get thousands of shares but very little discussion on the forum.. No judgement either way but it is interesting to observe the difference.

BG918
10-26-2022, 12:51 PM
^ The difference is fascinating. I’d love to see the analytics - my guess is those who participate in forums likely skews younger and more highly educated vs those commenting on social media posts.

Pete
10-26-2022, 01:02 PM
It shows a stark contrast between the forum and social media and why there doesn’t seem to be a lot of overlap. This is typical for other hobbies I follow. Forums go way too in depth for the typical social media engagement. People will argue for 10 pages on the difference of a building material or sidewalk width. On social media a new gas station will get thousands of shares but very little discussion on the forum.. No judgement either way but it is interesting to observe the difference.

I used to write long articles with lots of details then realized no one was reading them.

On social media you have to have at least one image that grabs the attention of people who are endlessly scrolling. Then lots of other images to tell the story. I frequently annotate images so at least some text is processed by the viewer.

Even here, you'll see tons of questions asked about something specifically addressed in a short amount of text. People aren't interested in reading, at least not more than a few lines.


The simple reality is that for anyone under 50, their primary source of information is social media. So, I've had to adapt our message and presentation to make the desired points and impact.

And I know I talk about this a lot but the engagement levels on OKCTalk's social media are incredible. We are now nearing 100K in engagement on Instagram and have been as high as 500K on Facebook. Twitter seems to be declining in popularity but our engagement numbers there are still exponentially higher than any in the state, apart from OU & OSU football and the Thunder.

As it is, I now post on our News page, another time in a thread (and sometimes more than one), update the Links page on Instagram, then post on Insta, Facebook and Twitter. I really need to start on TikTok and I've yet to delve into stories/shorts/reels but that is another load of work.

Pete
10-26-2022, 01:06 PM
BTW, our social media followers -- especially on Instagram -- skew younger than here on OKCTalk.com.

And almost 60% female whereas this site is more like 90% male. Facebook is similar with 65% female.


LIke anywhere on the Internet, our social media gets negative comments no matter what is posted. However, that is lessening and once you look past the soreheaded comments about traffic and parking, the overriding sentiment is excitement about the general direction of OKC. And when you scroll through our posts, you come away with the impression we have turned a pretty big corner.

So much so we are now starting to see the inevitable backlash such as complaints about rising costs, traffic, gentrification and general ruination of our past way of life. Of course, all those things are still available it's just that in key areas we now have lots of new options as well.

When we get a huge RH Gallery store and one of the largest Arhaus locations in the country on the same day, it's hard to ignore the world is starting to pay attention to what is happening here.

citywokchinesefood
10-26-2022, 02:21 PM
BTW, our social media followers -- especially on Instagram -- skew younger than here on OKCTalk.com.

And almost 60% female whereas this site is more like 90% male. Facebook is similar with 65% female.


LIke anywhere on the Internet, our social media gets negative comments no matter what is posted. However, that is lessening and once you look past the soreheaded comments about traffic and parking, the overriding sentiment is excitement about the general direction of OKC. And when you scroll through our posts, you come away with the impression we have turned a pretty big corner.

So much so we are now starting to see the inevitable backlash such as complaints about rising costs, traffic, gentrification and general ruination of our past way of life. Of course, all those things are still available it's just that in key areas we now have lots of new options as well.

When we get a huge RH Gallery store and one of the largest Arhaus locations in the country on the same day, it's hard to ignore the world is starting to pay attention to what is happening here.

Have you considered posting on the OKC/Oklahoma subreddits? Reddit does skew towards mostly males I believe it is about 65/35 for Male/female ratio. Years ago the Oklahoman did some consistent posting that was fairly well received, but they didn't maintain it for long. A lot of your articles about some of the bigger/fun projects like OKANA or opening up MAPS projects would likely be well liked by the community.

HOT ROD
10-26-2022, 07:56 PM
^ The difference is fascinating. I’d love to see the analytics - my guess is those who participate in forums likely skews younger and more highly educated vs those commenting on social media posts.

BG, I think it's the other way around - forum members are older and highly educated, social media younger and not too wise.

Pete
10-26-2022, 08:04 PM
Have you considered posting on the OKC/Oklahoma subreddits? Reddit does skew towards mostly males I believe it is about 65/35 for Male/female ratio. Years ago the Oklahoman did some consistent posting that was fairly well received, but they didn't maintain it for long. A lot of your articles about some of the bigger/fun projects like OKANA or opening up MAPS projects would likely be well liked by the community.

No, because I want people to come here or social media, not Reddit.

I do make some money through advertisements and the kind people here who pay for a subscription fee. No way to monetize Reddit that I know of.

stdennis
10-27-2022, 11:00 AM
No, because I want people to come here or social media, not Reddit.

I do make some money through advertisements and the kind people here who pay for a subscription fee. No way to monetize Reddit that I know of.


You just post links on reddit to here or your other social media sites. I don't know how much traffic it would drive here though. Since most people seem to read the headlines more.

warreng88
10-27-2022, 11:21 AM
I used to write long articles with lots of details then realized no one was reading them.

On social media you have to have at least one image that grabs the attention of people who are endlessly scrolling. Then lots of other images to tell the story. I frequently annotate images so at least some text is processed by the viewer.

Even here, you'll see tons of questions asked about something specifically addressed in a short amount of text. People aren't interested in reading, at least not more than a few lines.


The simple reality is that for anyone under 50, their primary source of information is social media. So, I've had to adapt our message and presentation to make the desired points and impact.

And I know I talk about this a lot but the engagement levels on OKCTalk's social media are incredible. We are now nearing 100K in engagement on Instagram and have been as high as 500K on Facebook. Twitter seems to be declining in popularity but our engagement numbers there are still exponentially higher than any in the state, apart from OU & OSU football and the Thunder.

As it is, I now post on our News page, another time in a thread (and sometimes more than one), update the Links page on Instagram, then post on Insta, Facebook and Twitter. I really need to start on TikTok and I've yet to delve into stories/shorts/reels but that is another load of work.

It's interesting that even when you talk about something you know is going to a "concern" to the social media crowd (looking at you parking), it is still brought up ad nauseam. The perfect example is the Bungalow 23 project. It was clearly stated in the second to last paragraph what the plan is for parking. On IG, I just went through and commented on anyone asking about parking to "read the article". It is a sheer laziness that people go to and there isn't a great way to fix it. Even if Pete said "A new project will take the popular food hall concept and turn it inside out with 3 additional restaurants, 5 bars and ample parking" people would still ask about parking...

Roger S
10-27-2022, 11:33 AM
I say send them all to San Francisco for a week to find parking.... They will quickly learn to appreciate the abundance of parking we have here.

Anonymous.
10-27-2022, 11:49 AM
Parking gets complained about a lot on new developments everywhere in America. But it is extra spicy in OKC because we are only recently seeing the results [limited parking] of highly desirable areas because they finally exist. Like Pete mentioned, the car complainers are becoming less and less frequent as OKC is learning to adapt.

From my observations of the social media comments - It is mostly the extreme suburbanites that are car complaining. They live in Yukon or Mustang and couldn't name a single boundary of Midtown or Uptown due to inexperience. If they want to be a patron of these new desirable areas, they will learn to adapt - just like everyone else has.

So picture it like a gradient:
On the left you have extreme suburbanites that basically stick to suburbia.
Middle you have people who live in suburbs but frequent the new desirable areas.
The right you have people who actively want to live near these hot spots, or do actually live in them.

The car complainers are highest on the left and lowest on the right. OKC is shifting more people from left to right as the city continues landing new exciting projects.

Pete
10-27-2022, 12:21 PM
It's interesting that even when you talk about something you know is going to a "concern" to the social media crowd (looking at you parking), it is still brought up ad nauseam. The perfect example is the Bungalow 23 project. It was clearly stated in the second to last paragraph what the plan is for parking. On IG, I just went through and commented on anyone asking about parking to "read the article". It is a sheer laziness that people go to and there isn't a great way to fix it. Even if Pete said "A new project will take the popular food hall concept and turn it inside out with 3 additional restaurants, 5 bars and ample parking" people would still ask about parking...

The exact same thing happens here.

People ask questions or make false statements because they don't bother to read even short posts. This is why social media can be used for very bad intentions; people just look quickly at something and make all types of assumptions.


I've accepted all this for the most part and try hard to tailor the message to the audience.

catch22
10-27-2022, 12:36 PM
The exact same thing happens here.

People ask questions or make false statements because they don't bother to read even short posts. This is why social media can be used for very bad intentions; people just look quickly at something and make all types of assumptions.


I've accepted all this for the most part and try hard to tailor the message to the audience.

This has been going on for some time before, but I call it the TikTok problem. In this current period of time people have developed a serious attention deficit disorder. TikTok amplified it and FB/IG Reels have come along to magnify the problem: people are only willing to consume content in 10-25 second intervals and it has to have background music and sound effects. It's quite sad. I can sit back and read pages and pages of something, or devote an hour or two to watching tutorials, documentaries, etc. but many cannot hold their attention for longer than a minute. It's bad. You can only do so much I guess. Content on social media has to be formatted with the expectation that your audience will only stick with it for less than a minute, and more commonly only less than 15 seconds.

PaddyShack
10-27-2022, 12:37 PM
Parking gets complained about a lot on new developments everywhere in America. But it is extra spicy in OKC because we are only recently seeing the results [limited parking] of highly desirable areas because they finally exist. Like Pete mentioned, the car complainers are becoming less and less frequent as OKC is learning to adapt.

From my observations of the social media comments - It is mostly the extreme suburbanites that are car complaining. They live in Yukon or Mustang and couldn't name a single boundary of Midtown or Uptown due to inexperience. If they want to be a patron of these new desirable areas, they will learn to adapt - just like everyone else has.

So picture it like a gradient:
On the left you have extreme suburbanites that basically stick to suburbia.
Middle you have people who live in suburbs but frequent the new desirable areas.
The right you have people who actively want to live near these hot spots, or do actually live in them.

The car complainers are highest on the left and lowest on the right. OKC is shifting more people from left to right as the city continues landing new exciting projects.

I am a transit complainer... I live in the burbs and want to get to the hot spots without using my personal vehicle, but the transit is nowhere close to being in existence. So I have to drive in and park...

Pete
10-27-2022, 12:40 PM
^

It started before TikTok dating back to at least Twitter.

The nature of social media feeds is there is an image with a blurb. Sometimes you can click through for more info but you have to see something on your endless scroll to even motivate that small amount of action.

On Insta, you only see one image unless you click through. That's why I try very hard to take and create at least one image that will grab attention.

catch22
10-27-2022, 12:41 PM
^

It started before TikTok dating back to at least Twitter.

The nature of social media feeds is there is an image with a blurb. Sometimes you can click through for more info but you have to see something on your endless scroll to even motivate that small amount of action.

On Insta, you only see one image unless you click through. That's why I try very hard to take and create at least one image that will grab attention.

Right, I just meant that TikTok has really amplified it.

Pete
10-27-2022, 12:53 PM
I'm guilty of a short attention span and I'm sure it's due to the internet and social media.

Even before the pandemic, I grew to dislike having to sit and watch a movie all the way through in a theater. There was a time in my life when I'd go to the movies 4-5 times a week; this was when I was in L.A., involved in The Biz and wanting to see almost everything that came out.

I have been to the theater once n the last 4-5 years. And it was painful to sit there.

Even worse, if I'm streaming a movie and it starts to drag in the middle (as almost all Act II's do) I'll just go on Wikipedia and read the rest of the plot. Most of the time I'm grateful I didn't waste any more of my day.

A few years ago I had to sit through class for about 4-5 hours a day over a weekend. I wanted to kill myself, even though I found the subject very interesting. How on earth did I sit through 18 years of formal education?


It's got to be worse for younger people that have only known the way things are currently.

Roger S
10-27-2022, 01:22 PM
I'll take it back a step, ok many steps further back, I noticed it when people started using acronyms on Usenet before the internet existed.... To this day I resist using acronyms.

I can sit still and be perfectly comfortable for hours with no more stimulation than the sound of a breeze, or a creek, in the back ground though. I consider it a blessing to not have to be distracted with something every waking hour of the day.

Celebrator
10-27-2022, 01:22 PM
This whole mind-set is really troubling. How are we going to get people to sit and do things like draw up engineering plans and architectural renderings if no one wants to sit and be patient! Yikes! I mean, hardly anything worth anything--hardly anything with enduring value--can either be created or consumed in brief.

David
10-27-2022, 01:27 PM
This has been going on for some time before, but I call it the TikTok problem. In this current period of time people have developed a serious attention deficit disorder. TikTok amplified it and FB/IG Reels have come along to magnify the problem: people are only willing to consume content in 10-25 second intervals and it has to have background music and sound effects. It's quite sad. I can sit back and read pages and pages of something, or devote an hour or two to watching tutorials, documentaries, etc. but many cannot hold their attention for longer than a minute. It's bad. You can only do so much I guess. Content on social media has to be formatted with the expectation that your audience will only stick with it for less than a minute, and more commonly only less than 15 seconds.

There's a reason the phrase "elevator pitch" developed, there's nothing new to the concept of getting the details across in a succinct and interesting format.

Roger S
10-27-2022, 01:30 PM
This whole mind-set is really troubling. How are we going to get people to sit and do things like draw up engineering plans and architectural renderings if no one wants to sit and be patient! Yikes! I mean, hardly anything worth anything--hardly anything with enduring value--can either be created or consumed in brief.

Having been in engineering since before I even graduated college.... Not a lot of patience in this industry..... Developers want the engineering done yesterday so they can start building..... Our cart is always way in front of our horse.

catch22
10-27-2022, 01:39 PM
There's a reason the phrase "elevator pitch" developed, there's nothing new to the concept of getting the details across in a succinct and interesting format.

That’s true, but not quite the same phenomenon. An elevator pitch is a cold pitch setting by chance. You have moments by coincidence of being in the right place at the right time. With social media, even people who are actively seeking your content lose interest in only a few seconds. Imagine inviting someone over because you want to hear their pitch, but then walk out of the meeting after 15 seconds.

Pete
10-28-2022, 05:07 PM
This whole mind-set is really troubling. How are we going to get people to sit and do things like draw up engineering plans and architectural renderings if no one wants to sit and be patient! Yikes! I mean, hardly anything worth anything--hardly anything with enduring value--can either be created or consumed in brief.

As always, the world adapts.

Lots of work-from-home options which means no one cares how you get your work done, as long as it's done. I have always, always been the type of person that gets up early, gets absolutely tons done, work through lunch, then by 2PM or so I lose my concentration. The good news is I usually accomplish more in that amount of time than a lot of people do in a week. I absolutely hated jobs that required ass-in-seat during certain hours.

I usually go back and do more after a mid-afternoon break, sometimes in the evenings, always on weekends, just not in the regular 9-5 pattern that has been almost a necessity for the last 100 years.

It's one of the things I abhorred about the entertainment industry. I was usually at my desk getting loads done by 7 AM, then half the people would roll in at 10 (or later) and then want to keep you late because they had been jacking around most the day. I loved the one job I had in the financial industry because lots of people were at work by 6 AM because we were on the West Coast and the markets opened at 6:30 our time; we also had a big office in New York and there was a 3-hour difference. Then I would be out of there by 4:30 and would generally beat the L.A. traffic in both commutes, and I'd still get in 10 hours of very productive time every day.


I think the world is finding out there are lots of ways to be productive and we'll continue to see all types of work models.

And to be fair, I've always had a short, intense attention span and I get way more done now than I did back in the 80's and 90's. I bet that's true for a lot if not a majority of people.

RangersYear
10-28-2022, 10:08 PM
As always, the world adapts.

Lots of work-from-home options which means no one cares how you get your work done, as long as it's done. I have always, always been the type of person that gets up early, gets absolutely tons done, work through lunch, then by 2PM or so I lose my concentration. The good news is I usually accomplish more in that amount of time than a lot of people do in a week. I absolutely hated jobs that required ass-in-seat during certain hours.

I usually go back and do more after a mid-afternoon break, sometimes in the evenings, always on weekends, just not in the regular 9-5 pattern that has been almost a necessity for the last 100 years.

It's one of the things I abhorred about the entertainment industry. I was usually at my desk getting loads done by 7 AM, then half the people would roll in at 10 (or later) and then want to keep you late because they had been jacking around most the day. I loved the one job I had in the financial industry because lots of people were at work by 6 AM because we were on the West Coast and the markets opened at 6:30 our time; we also had a big office in New York and there was a 3-hour difference. Then I would be out of there by 4:30 and would generally beat the L.A. traffic in both commutes, and I'd still get in 10 hours of very productive time every day.


I think the world is finding out there are lots of ways to be productive and we'll continue to see all types of work models.

And to be fair, I've always had a short, intense attention span and I get way more done now than I did back in the 80's and 90's. I bet that's true for a lot if not a majority of people.

That's what is so depressing to me. No one cares as long as you hit your number.

EtanEiko
10-29-2022, 10:51 AM
That's what is so depressing to me. No one cares as long as you hit your number.

Doing something differently or outside of constructed norms absolutely does not mean someone doesn’t care about their work. I think part of the problem that isn’t spoken about as often is the “other sides” ability or care to realize just because that’s how you did and had been done for decades doesn’t mean it’s the right or only way. Why can’t they both exist. But the assumption someone doesn’t care because they don’t do it just like you is absurd.

Edmond Hausfrau
10-29-2022, 11:41 AM
Took me longer than I care to admit to realize that RH was Restoration Hardware. Guess they rebranded ala KFC.
They have nice products (assuming the quality has not diminished in past 5 years). Strangely, their towels and linens are best ones I have ever found that are mass produced, but I realize that's not their main area. Anyway, nice get for OKC.

dankrutka
10-30-2022, 04:31 PM
I'm guilty of a short attention span and I'm sure it's due to the internet and social media.

Even before the pandemic, I grew to dislike having to sit and watch a movie all the way through in a theater. There was a time in my life when I'd go to the movies 4-5 times a week; this was when I was in L.A., involved in The Biz and wanting to see almost everything that came out.

I have been to the theater once n the last 4-5 years. And it was painful to sit there.

Even worse, if I'm streaming a movie and it starts to drag in the middle (as almost all Act II's do) I'll just go on Wikipedia and read the rest of the plot. Most of the time I'm grateful I didn't waste any more of my day.

A few years ago I had to sit through class for about 4-5 hours a day over a weekend. I wanted to kill myself, even though I found the subject very interesting. How on earth did I sit through 18 years of formal education?


It's got to be worse for younger people that have only known the way things are currently.

I highly recommend The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to our Brains (https://www.nicholascarr.com/?page_id=16) by Nicholas Carr.

Pete
11-03-2022, 09:03 AM
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/oak110222a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/oak110222b.jpg

Teo9969
11-03-2022, 09:37 AM
i just realized for the first time today that bringing Arhaus into the development in its own building is changing the massing of the apartments (almost certainly eliminating units) and then also decreasing the massing against NWX by a decent chunk.

Rover
11-04-2022, 04:18 AM
i just realized for the first time today that bringing Arhaus into the development in its own building is changing the massing of the apartments (almost certainly eliminating units) and then also decreasing the massing against NWX by a decent chunk.
Actually, looking at the early drawings it is adding massing along nwx. Also massing doesn’t mean one big building. Having mixed use as much as possible will be most beneficial. We have lots of huge apartment complexes already.

USSOklahoma
11-05-2022, 10:31 PM
Actually, looking at the early drawings it is adding massing along nwx. Also massing doesn’t mean one big building. Having mixed use as much as possible will be most beneficial. We have lots of huge apartment complexes already.

It is beneficial to have mixed use but having Arhaus in one of the few non mixed use buildings in the development and it just seems like a missed opportunity. Still great development and addition but just a small missed opportunity

Rover
11-06-2022, 02:03 AM
It is beneficial to have mixed use but having Arhaus in one of the few non mixed use buildings in the development and it just seems like a missed opportunity. Still great development and addition but just a small missed opportunity

So, you are saying every building must be multiple uses to have a mixed use development? The mix in this development is vey good, very interesting and looks to be well designed.

Marilyn Monroe had a mole. She was still beautiful. No one focused on the mole and it didn’t define her.

Bowser214
11-07-2022, 01:51 PM
Just drove by the development and they are really going to town now with all the construction activity! Fencing now has Oak development promotional material facing the street.

Pete
11-07-2022, 02:03 PM
They had tons of site work: demolition, utility relocation, removal of a major street, and big grading issues.

We should start to see foundations and vertical structures soon.

The good part is there will be several large structures all under construction at the same time.

Pete
11-14-2022, 12:23 PM
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/oak111422a.jpg

Pete
11-21-2022, 07:21 AM
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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/oak112022b.jpg

Pete
11-23-2022, 10:06 AM
In the first photo, you can see the area for the BRT stop along NW Expressway where the yellow crane is located.

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chssooner
12-10-2022, 04:06 PM
Pete, I know you had mentioned more announcements before the end of the year. Just wondering if that is still the case, or if you have heard anything? I know you won't post until they want you to, and I totally respect that.

Thank you for your coverage on this project! It is truly going to be a game-changer.

Pete
12-10-2022, 04:14 PM
Pete, I know you had mentioned more announcements before the end of the year. Just wondering if that is still the case, or if you have heard anything? I know you won't post until they want you to, and I totally respect that.

Thank you for your coverage on this project! It is truly going to be a game-changer.

Yes, I spoke to the developer last week and they are hoping to make at least one more announcement before the end of the year.

OAK is going to be unlike anything else in the state. It won't be for everyone but it will be yet another choice to dine and shop in OKC.

From everything I've seen, this is going to be completely first-class.


BTW, I looked with an eagle eye at one of their more recent hi-res renderings and they show Cinepolis as the theater in the southwest corner of the project. I'm sure a deal has yet to be done but that would be a fantastic get and a perfect fit: https://www.cinepolisusa.com/.

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poe
12-10-2022, 09:34 PM
This reminds me of The Shops at Clearfork in Fort Worth. Nice mix of high-end shops and some in the more affordable range with a good combination of dining, living options, entertainment, and green space. Really excited to see this happen!

Bowser214
12-11-2022, 10:00 AM
Feeling like a kid waiting on Christmas day lol

caaokc
12-11-2022, 04:10 PM
This is a mile from my house. Can’t wait! I really hope they put a Shake Shack there.