amazing... james is going to simultaneously join the mavericks!

LeBron James Will Join the Dallas Mavericks in 2024 NBA Free Agency (twsn.net) (https://twsn.net/2024/06/lebron-james-will-join-the-dallas-mavericks-in-2024-nba-free-agency)

...and the phoenix suns!

LeBron James Will Join the Phoenix Suns in 2024 NBA Free Agency | The Wright Way Network (twsn.net) (https://twsn.net/2024/06/lebron-james-will-join-the-phoenix-suns-in-2024-nba-free-agency)

It's going to come down to which team can accommodate he and his son.

It will be a job loser for any coach burdened with James & son on the same roster. It has been a job loser for the last 3 without the kid there.

That would be the most Non-Sam Presti thing ever.

Monty Williams fired by the Pistons. Monty is a great person and coach. He will be in a better position than Detroit. LA???

Monty Williams fired by the Pistons. Monty is a great person and coach. He will be in a better position than Detroit. LA???

he is a great person .. he is no where close to a great coach ... he is really not even a good head coach ..

the pistons owe him about 60 mil with this firing ..

he is a great person .. he is no where close to a great coach ... he is really not even a good head coach ..

the pistons owe him about 60 mil with this firing ..

Monty had done a great job before and is obviously coaching at the top level of his profession. It clearly didn't go well last season in Detroit, but Troy Weaver gave him a team that didn't fit together. It's wild to say he's "no where close to a great coach." He was a deserving coach of the year in 2022. Not every situation is perfect.

Dude made over $5.6MM per W. Biggest coaching fleece in NBA history.

Monty has had a lifetime's worth of highs and lows within the last decade. He seems to be well regarded throughout the NBA.

I really hope his agent got him a guaranteed zero offsets for the first 2 years after being fired in his Pistons deal. At least for seasons 1 and 2.

Dude made over $5.6MM per W. Biggest coaching fleece in NBA history.

Holy... Inflation is a real deal

As I understood, Monty didn't want to coach last season with his wife having cancer but couldn't say no to 65 million guaranteed. Good for him. Pistons make another poor decision.

I am surprised that Flipkowski was not picked first round.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40474833/boston-celtics-ownership-group-plans-sell-majority-stake
Celtics put up for sale.

I am surprised that Flipkowski was not picked first round.

Read up on his girlfriend and family situation. Not a Thunder guy.

Read up on his girlfriend and family situation. Not a Thunder guy.

But for sure a Utah guy ;)

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40474833/boston-celtics-ownership-group-plans-sell-majority-stake
Celtics put up for sale.

Strike when the iron is hot. Looks like the main ownership got in 20 years ago when they were probably in their 40s-50s. Team values are obviously very high now. I think this is an other era where the ownership structure of the NBA is going to fundamentally change. It is still American, and individuals, for the most part and from what I can tell. But we will soon be at a level where Sovereign Wealth and Private Equity funds are going be a large portion of the available ownership capital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJczErDEEBE

Without watching the video, it seems like Seattle and Las Vegas are foregone conclusions for expansion at this point.

Without watching the video, it seems like Seattle and Las Vegas are foregone conclusions for expansion at this point.

Just so's I could respond to you with knowledge, I listened to all 9 plus minutes. He says Seattle and Las Vegas. Seattle a certainty, and Las Vegas probably. He has zero new insights, or information. Simply regurgitating what he has read elsewhere. I do not think he has a good understanding of business. I would suggest the VAST majority of sportswriters are like him. He guesses Mexico City is the third option.

He suggests that there are both a $5 billion arena proposal, and a separate $10 billion arena/hotel/casino on the Las Vegas Strip. Both privately funded. The $5 billion arena is probably the All Net Arena pipe dream that Jackie Robinson has been pitching for the former Wet' n' Wild location just south of the Sahara. Robinson has been selling this for 15 years with no money or real movement. The $10 billion proposal is probably the Oak View Group's massive complex located down by the South Point Hotel Casino. I recall reading late last year, an attendance projection for this arena that amounted to more than 2 sold out events daily @18,000 per.


He describes Las Vegas as a "Cash Cow". I do not think Las Vegas has enough population to support teams in NHL, NBA, NFL and MLB. The assumption that visitors will the travel to see their favorite team in "Vegas" rapidly dissipates with a game frequency of more than 20 per year. He appeared to state Las Vegas was closer to Denver than California, and didn't seem to realize Las Vegas is in the Pacific Time Zone.

He repeatedly mentions another expansion team in Canada, yet never mentions Montreal. Makes me doubt his knowledge. He continually mentions "maybe Vancouver".

I however, will repeat my opinion that Seattle and Louisville Kentuckey are the two cities.

You heard it here first.

And I will promptly eat crow here if I am wrong.

Louisville IMO would definitely go ape over an NBA franchise and would be among the best small markets.

The KMC 'Yum' arena seats 22,090 for NBA basketball--they could potential be among the NBA's Top 3 attendance getters.

We don't know if the NBA would put Louisville another 'small market' over Seattle or Las Vegas. Louisville has two Fortune 500 companies, similar to OKC.

NBA has New Orleans (58), Salt Lake City (46), Memphis (45), Oklahoma City (42) and Milwaukee (40) as the smallest markets all below 2 million MSA populations. Louisville would fall one notch below OKC at (43).

I however, will repeat my opinion that Seattle and Louisville Kentuckey are the two cities.

You heard it here first.

And I will promptly eat crow here if I am wrong.

Seattle and Vegas it was decided a long time ago ..

Seattle and Vegas it was decided a long time ago ..

Yep no doubt it is Seattle and Vegas. Nothing else will even be considered. Been a known secret for years.

Yep no doubt it is Seattle and Vegas. Nothing else will even be considered. Been a known secret for years.

This is not argumentative....but, can anyone here walk me through the numbers and make it add up? I have heard this "done deal" from Bill Simmons and others for years. I never hear any real numbers about franchise fee, start up costs, arena, local market size and sports dollar saturation, etc. Ownership structure doesn't matter for any team anymore-people with the money will go to any city that is available. LeBron might want to be an owner. But even if he came in with a genuine, real, free cash $100 million, that would give him 2% of a team with a $4 billion expansion fee and $500 million start up costs. Also, take in to account that any expansion team will have to forfeit a substantial amount of the new media rights revenue.

The richest woman in Las Vegas decided that buying the Dallas Mavericks and "betting" on Texas casino gaming would be a better use of her money than a Las Vegas expansion team.

Also, add two teams to the Pacific Time Zone and see how that affects viewing numbers and their value. The Pac-12 died because their late start times were less valuable than the Big-12 Central and Eastern Time Zone start times.

This is not argumentative....but, can anyone here walk me through the numbers and make it add up? I have heard this "done deal" from Bill Simmons and others for years. I never hear any real numbers about franchise fee, start up costs, arena, local market size and sports dollar saturation, etc. Ownership structure doesn't matter for any team anymore-people with the money will go to any city that is available. LeBron might want to be an owner. But even if he came in with a genuine, real, free cash $100 million, that would give him 2% of a team with a $4 billion expansion fee and $500 million start up costs. Also, take in to account that any expansion team will have to forfeit a substantial amount of the new media rights revenue.

The richest woman in Las Vegas decided that buying the Dallas Mavericks and "betting" on Texas casino gaming would be a better use of her money than a Las Vegas expansion team.

Also, add two teams to the Pacific Time Zone and see how that affects viewing numbers and their value. The Pac-12 died because their late start times were less valuable than the Big-12 Central and Eastern Time Zone start times.

8-10 billion ... owners don't have to share that money with players ..

that is a quick cash payment of 300 mil +/- to each owner ship team ..

and the new media deal goes from 1/30 owners share to 1/32 owners share .. (expansion teams won't forfeit any media revenue )

Here’s what NBA’s new media-rights deal means for possible Sonics return | Analysis: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sonics/heres-what-nbas-new-media-rights-deal-means-for-possible-sonics-return-analysis/


Now that NBA owners know they are guaranteed $6.9 billion annually from national TV alone, they can go about setting an expansion fee. That fee, expected to top $4 billion, would generate immediate cash for each of the 30 teams that wouldn’t be subject to revenue sharing with players. It would enable owners to offset pandemic-related shortfalls and the future loss of broadcast revenue from the new TV package because they would need to share it among 32 teams instead of 30.

Imagine the rivalry with Oklahoma City that will be created upon the return of the NBA to the Emerald City.

8-10 billion ... owners don't have to share that money with players ..

that is a quick cash payment of 300 mil +/- to each owner ship team ..

and the new media deal goes from 1/30 owners share to 1/32 owners share .. (expansion teams won't forfeit any media revenue )

Make the numbers add up. Source it from the NBA, and not Bill Simmons or Stephen A.

$8-10 billion puts the NBA within the revenue universe of the NFL. Show me how that pencils out. It is not possible.

Why would an NBA owner give up over 5% of their media money for a new partner?

Give me a source and make it add up.

Here’s what NBA’s new media-rights deal means for possible Sonics return | Analysis: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sonics/heres-what-nbas-new-media-rights-deal-means-for-possible-sonics-return-analysis/



Imagine the rivalry with Oklahoma City that will be created upon the return of the NBA to the Emerald City.




That is a good story. Thank you for that. Suggest everyone here read it.

Make the numbers add up. Source it from the NBA, and not Bill Simmons or Stephen A.

$8-10 billion puts the NBA within the revenue universe of the NFL. Show me how that pencils out. It is not possible.

Why would an NBA owner give up over 5% of their media money for a new partner?

Give me a source and make it add up.

I’m guessing the media deal included the 2 teams already.

Make the numbers add up. Source it from the NBA, and not Bill Simmons or Stephen A.

$8-10 billion puts the NBA within the revenue universe of the NFL. Show me how that pencils out. It is not possible.

Why would an NBA owner give up over 5% of their media money for a new partner?

Give me a source and make it add up.

I will use the 6.9 B figure from the Seattle times ..

6.9B / 30 is 230 mil a year

6.9B /32 is 215 mil a year ...

so yeah owners will give up 15 mil a year of future money for an upfront cash payment of 300 million dollars ..

Make the numbers add up. Source it from the NBA, and not Bill Simmons or Stephen A.

$8-10 billion puts the NBA within the revenue universe of the NFL. Show me how that pencils out. It is not possible.

Why would an NBA owner give up over 5% of their media money for a new partner?

Give me a source and make it add up.

the 8-10 billion is what those teams will sell for .. If you don't believe so I don't know what to tell you .... there are only 30 NBA teams in the world (soon to be 32) that alone gives them value ..

the 8-10 billion is what those teams will sell for .. If you don't believe so I don't know what to tell you .... there are only 30 NBA teams in the world (soon to be 32) that alone gives them value ..

I know the numbers being tossed around. Yet, I also notice that within the last year, the NHL Coyotes sold for a "reported $1.2 billion", The MLB Baltimore Orioles sold for $1.73 billion, and the NFL Washington Commanders sold for $6.05 billion. While I do understand the NBA has its house in incredible order, is growing in international popularity, and is the first in this new wave of medial deals, $5 billion for an expansion team is hard to understand from a dollars and cents standpoint.

Regardless, I think we headed for an unprecedented number of franchise sales in the next 5-10 years. The Celtics are signaling that the people that have been in over the last 20 years and longer are going to cash out, and the financial requirements of this explosive growth are going to make "lifers" like the Buss family unable to keep up.

I know the numbers being tossed around. Yet, I also notice that within the last year, the NHL Coyotes sold for a "reported $1.2 billion", The MLB Baltimore Orioles sold for $1.73 billion, and the NFL Washington Commanders sold for $6.05 billion. While I do understand the NBA has its house in incredible order, is growing in international popularity, and is the first in this new wave of medial deals, $5 billion for an expansion team is hard to understand from a dollars and cents standpoint.

Regardless, I think we headed for an unprecedented number of franchise sales in the next 5-10 years. The Celtics are signaling that the people that have been in over the last 20 years and longer are going to cash out, and the financial requirements of this explosive growth are going to make "lifers" like the Buss family unable to keep up.

season to season "profit" is not really as important as growth of franchise values ...

but i do agree that the NBA in particular might be hitting a bubble of value .. (which might be why mark cuban sold his team) ..

i will also add that the new (just started CBA) and its 2 aprons basically function as a hard cap .. . so every team will be able to compete money wise ..

As valuations go up the approach to ownership takes on a much more corporate veneer. Owning a team used to be more of a hobby for many, and it was very common to lose money on the deal. Family and multi-generational ownership made more sense. Now valuations have taken these team valuations into the realm of Fortune 500 company market caps. As recently as the eighties you could buy a major league team for a few million bucks.

I think you will see more and more flips, but you will also see much more in the way of succession planning, investor GROUPS rather than single owners, etc.

As valuations go up the approach to ownership takes on a much more corporate veneer. Owning a team used to be more of a hobby for many, and it was very common to lose money on the deal. Family and multi-generational ownership made more sense. Now valuations have taken these team valuations into the realm of Fortune 500 company market caps. As recently as the eighties you could buy a major league team for a few million bucks.

I think you will see more and more flips, but you will also see much more in the way of succession planning, investor GROUPS rather than single owners, etc.

I think you will also start to see Sovereign wealth funds .. own NBA teams

but at the end of the day when there are only 30 or 32 of something in the entire world .. you will have people that want to be owners ..

As valuations go up the approach to ownership takes on a much more corporate veneer. Owning a team used to be more of a hobby for many, and it was very common to lose money on the deal. Family and multi-generational ownership made more sense. Now valuations have taken these team valuations into the realm of Fortune 500 company market caps. As recently as the eighties you could buy a major league team for a few million bucks.

I think you will see more and more flips, but you will also see much more in the way of succession planning, investor GROUPS rather than single owners, etc.

So true. The value increases are providing different challenges to each league. The NFL does not allow corporate ownership. They demand one person has something like 30-35% team ownership and full ability to make decisions on league business. I also think minority investors must stand for league investigation and approval. Money invested must be proven to be liquid and individually controlled at whatever level the NFL decides. Leaves the NFL looking like only the Walton, Bezos and other ultra-wealthy American families can buy in.

The NBA rules are different, but they do want a strong representative to the Board of Governors. And transparency in capital acquisition. Not sure how the NBA compares to the NFL in regards to corporate ownership.

MLB has had corporate owners as long as I can recall. I think CBS owned the Yankees throughout the 1960s into the early 70s, when they sold to George Steinbrenner. Disney/ABC/ESPN owned the Angles in the 1990s-2000s. Fox owned the dodgers about the same time.

Seems like the NHL just wants to know if you can cover payroll this week. /s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0brKMi_28I

Russell Westbrook heading to Denver. His 6th team in 8 years. Pretty wild.

I hope he will return to OKC and retire as part of the Thunder when the time comes.

Russell Westbrook heading to Denver. His 6th team in 8 years. Pretty wild.

Pretty wild? It is not surprising that Westbrook is on his 6th team in 8 years because he is not good anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYG9w0zIESA

Twenty cities that could get an NBA expansion team in the future


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8xl1aVVwDs

Las Vegas doesn't have a real arena. The city is the capitol of big plans that don't happen.

I still say Louisville will be the second city chosen. Seattle being a lock for number one.

Las Vegas doesn't have a real arena. The city is the capitol of big plans that don't happen.

I still say Louisville will be the second city chosen. Seattle being a lock for number one.

There is multiple arenas in Vegas that are NBA ready

There is multiple arenas in Vegas that are NBA ready

No. There are not any arenas that have the ability to meet the NBA requirements of being the principal tenant and control of dates and in-facility revenue. That is before current luxury suite inventory

No. There are not any arenas that have the ability to meet the NBA requirements of being the principal tenant and control of dates and in-facility revenue. That is before current luxury suite inventory

being the "principal" tenant is not any NBA requirement (just a desire) ... which is why Climate pledge in seattle would likely be the host of the NBA team there ..


the clippers before there recent move were the 3rd tenant in the crypto.com arena ..

being the "principal" tenant is not any NBA requirement (just a desire) ... which is why Climate pledge in seattle would likely be the host of the NBA team there ..


the clippers before there recent move were the 3rd tenant in the crypto.com arena ..

I would suggest that with a $3 to $4 billion expansion fee, the new owners must be the principal tenant.

I used to follow the Seattle efforts for a new arena closely, and I am convinced the Climate Pledge Arena and Kraken NHL team are partnered in such a way that the return of the Sonics will have most (if not all) of the same partners. Everything about it was with NBA in mind.

The Clippers moved because Steve Ballmer knew they would continue to wither as the 3rd tenant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dNeIfzVWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDtgXSI7BZ8
Is this the next Victor Wembanyama; headed to the University of Florida
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qlDDcVTeT8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDtgXSI7BZ8
Is this the next Victor Wembanyama; headed to the University of Florida
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qlDDcVTeT8E

Zero chance of being an NBA player. A very poor man’s Zach Edey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GayXeIRbuXk
Mavericks led 60-44--before the ejections; Dallas defeated Phoenix 98-89

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw6j_w7ORv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IlQekIlqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d35HyNmAEWY

I don't think a suspension has been announced yet, but that clearly warrants one. Also, completely pathetic to argue that clearly-deserved foul call. I shake my head at how many guys in the league don't understand the concept of keeping your powder dry.

Ya needs an ejection. I respect players more who don't complain but that was clearly over the line. Get him outta here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNToalWIhXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUbHmNqfFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vIkM8GEI4
Will Lu Dort replace Draymond Green in the 'Nutcracker.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6GbBf7_M0
Cason Wallace Named 2025 NBA Rising Star ⭐️ | Cason Wallace Highlights | OKC Thunder.