It wasn't my post.


Now please note that my saying the decision to send her home for traveling through DFC was "incredibly moronic" is not hyperbole at all, it's exactly what that decision is.
I think it was overkill but I'm good with that since it will give reality a chance to catch up to the government assurances. A lying spouse better expect a freaked out, skeptical partner for awhile until trust is rebulit. Same thing, here.

I drove through or should I say around Dallas today. I didn't think much of it until I read this thread. Now, I feel the need to declare it to the MAN. Perhaps I'm crazy but I have far more fear of traveling I-635 north at 5PM on a Monday than I do of the Dallas Ebola outbreak . In fact I feel like a survivor.

Belton ISD in Central Texas temporarily closed three of its campuses Thursday after Learning that two of its students traveled Monday on the same Cleveland-to-Dallas Frontier Airlines flight as nurse Amber Joy Vinson, whose Ebola diagnosis was announced by health offiicals early Wednesday.

The Belton schools opened back up today. Also In the clear: First 48 people exposed to Ebola 'patient zero' - including his fiancée and her children - emerge from quarantine after being declared disease free following 21-day incubation period.

48 people exposed to Ebola 'patient zero' emerge from quarantine after being declared disease free | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799725/in-clear-48-people-exposed-ebola-patient-zero-including-fianc-e-children-emerge-quarantine-declared-disease-free-following-21-day-incubation-period.html)

The Belton schools opened back up today. Also In the clear: First 48 people exposed to Ebola 'patient zero' - including his fiancée and her children - emerge from quarantine after being declared disease free following 21-day incubation period.

48 people exposed to Ebola 'patient zero' emerge from quarantine after being declared disease free | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799725/in-clear-48-people-exposed-ebola-patient-zero-including-fianc-e-children-emerge-quarantine-declared-disease-free-following-21-day-incubation-period.html)

This is promising and confirms doctors telling us it is hard to catch

This may be the dumbest bit of media-fueled hysteria ever, and that's saying something.I was pleasantly surprised the other day to learn that Fox News (which I usually call Faux News) is attempting to de-fuse the panic reaction!

It can't be over-emphasized that Duncan's immediate family, which one would think had the greatest opportunity to be infected, has remained disease-free!

I drove through or should I say around Dallas today. I didn't think much of it until I read this thread. Now, I feel the need to declare it to the MAN. Perhaps I'm crazy but I have far more fear of traveling I-635 north at 5PM on a Monday than I do of the Dallas Ebola outbreak . In fact I feel like a survivor.

Both 635 and 30 are equally crazy and bad.

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Pat Robertson say's not to worry about getting Ebola if you go to Africa but watch out because you can catch AIDS from towels.

Pat Robertson: You can get AIDS from towels - CNN.com Video (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2014/10/22/ac-ridiculist-pat-robertson-aids-comment.cnn.html)

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The first confirmed case of ebola in NYC made the news, yesterday. It was a young doctor who's been treating ebola patients in Africa through Doctors without Borders. He passed through enhanced screening and was supposed to be self isolating but the day before he went to the hospital he went on a three mile run, took an uber car, ate out at a restaurant, took three subways and went to two bowling alleys. He was initially reported by the health authorities that he was running a 103 degree temperature within hours of being out and about but after hours of that freaking out the media, they said it was a scribner's error and his temperature was actually only 100.3. I hope he is okay. His fiance and two close friends are in quarantine.

My thoughts on this are that I can't understand why this doctor, within the incubation period, was out in the public, including public transportation even though it was known he'd been treating ebola patients. The whole country pitched a fit over the second nurse being so irresponsible as well as the medical correspondent "in isolation" who snuck out for soup. Perhaps medical professionals have a leg up on diagnosing themselves but it sends a horrible message to people who might have even less sense of self denial. Moreover, even if they catch it in time to avoid infecting others, the public cost of tracking - omg. Astronomical. The inconvenience to the people exposed is terrible. And the cost to private businesses who are often shuttered, shunned and stuck with the disinfection bill is grossly unfair.

I look forward to the day when responsible people actually self isolate and tweet out daily posts filled with, "This is tough but the right thing to do," so that other people affected have a more positive incentive to act responsibly. It is not going to kill anyone over the age of fourteen to take a 21 day break from public transportation, restaurants and entertainment. And if it does, I hope they didn't pass on those genes, first.

It's my understanding that Ebola patients are not contagious until symptomatic and the doctor wasn't symptomatic. He sought help when he realized he had a slight temp of 100.3. It's not like he knew he had the disease and when out in public.

Health officials said three people who had been in contact with Spencer -- his fiancée and two friends -- were healthy and would be quarantined and monitored. A fourth, a car service driver, had no physical contact with the patient and was not considered at risk.

Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City's health commissioner, said Spencer completed his work in Guinea on October 12 and left Africa two days later via Europe. He arrived at John F. Kennedy Airport on October 17. She said he exhibited no symptoms during his journey or any time afterward until Thursday morning. He had been checking his temperature twice a day.

Spencer went for a three-mile jog and visited a bowling alley in Brooklyn named The Gutter prior to feeling symptomatic Thursday morning, Bassett said. The bowling alley has been closed. He also traveled on three subway lines. Authorities are checking his MetroCard to determine where else he went.

"At the time that the doctor was on the subway he did not have fever ... he was not symptomatic," according to Bassett, who said the chances of anyone contracting the virus from contact with Spencer were "close to nil."

NYC physician tests positive for Ebola - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health/new-york-possible-ebola-case/index.html)

I just heard on the news (NPR) that NYC has it (that is, their "single" case of Confirmed Ebola) all under control. The spokesperson said, "We learned from Dallas." And Senegal has declared itself "Ebola Free".

I feel better now.

Pat Robertson say's not to worry about getting Ebola if you go to Africa but watch out because you can catch AIDS from towels.

Pat Robertson: You can get AIDS from towels - CNN.com Video (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2014/10/22/ac-ridiculist-pat-robertson-aids-comment.cnn.html)

I wonder if you can get it from a toilet seat.
(Pat Roberson is rarely rong.)

I think I'll jog down to Walgreen's for another flu shot. Just in case.

Nina Pham and Amber Vinson have both been declared free of the Virus. that is at least good news.
Glad that their volunteering to be on the first Wave of nurses to Treat an Ebola Patient didn't end more tragically.
not an easy job at all and I can't imagine how horrible the last month has been for them.
Glad they are better.

It's my understanding that Ebola patients are not contagious until symptomatic and the doctor wasn't symptomatic. He sought help when he realized he had a slight temp of 100.3. It's not like he knew he had the disease and when out in public.

Health officials said three people who had been in contact with Spencer -- his fiancée and two friends -- were healthy and would be quarantined and monitored. A fourth, a car service driver, had no physical contact with the patient and was not considered at risk.

Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City's health commissioner, said Spencer completed his work in Guinea on October 12 and left Africa two days later via Europe. He arrived at John F. Kennedy Airport on October 17. She said he exhibited no symptoms during his journey or any time afterward until Thursday morning. He had been checking his temperature twice a day.

Spencer went for a three-mile jog and visited a bowling alley in Brooklyn named The Gutter prior to feeling symptomatic Thursday morning, Bassett said. The bowling alley has been closed. He also traveled on three subway lines. Authorities are checking his MetroCard to determine where else he went.

"At the time that the doctor was on the subway he did not have fever ... he was not symptomatic," according to Bassett, who said the chances of anyone contracting the virus from contact with Spencer were "close to nil."

NYC physician tests positive for Ebola - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health/new-york-possible-ebola-case/index.html)Just to be on the safe side, shouldn't you wait until the incubation period is completely over until you start going out and engaging in the general public again? Even at least 10 days or so? Just so you know you don't have it? If it were me, I'd play safe at 21.

Just to be on the safe side, shouldn't you wait until the incubation period is completely over until you start going out and engaging in the general public again? Even at least 10 days or so? Just so you know you don't have it? If it were me, I'd play safe at 21.

One would think that would be a no-brainer. The physician in question had made it a point to stay away from the NYC hospital where he works, so he wouldn't inadvertantly expose his patients.

This is promising and confirms doctors telling us it is hard to catch

Yes, it's good news for the people who were exposed, but I don't think we can relax about this. There have been occastional outbreaks of EVD in Africa for close to 40 years, but each time the outbreak burned out relatively quickly, with little spread outside the immediate locale. This strain has spread into three countries in W. Africa, and been carried by travelers to Spain, Dallas (with two follow-on infections) and now NYC. There's something different about this particular strain of the virus. The method of transmission is still the same, but this strain of the virus appears to be more contagious than in previous outbreaks.

Yes, it's good news for the people who were exposed, but I don't think we can relax about this. There have been occastional outbreaks of EVD in Africa for close to 40 years, but each time the outbreak burned out relatively quickly, with little spread outside the immediate locale. This strain has spread into three countries in W. Africa, and been carried by travelers to Spain, Dallas (with two follow-on infections) and now NYC. There's something different about this particular strain of the virus. The method of transmission is still the same, but this strain of the virus appears to be more contagious than in previous outbreaks.

I personally don't share this opinion. Those who have contracted the virus and then returned to the US were in extremely close/intimate contact with an infected person. Even more so than some close family members of the infected. The fact entire households of individuals who take even remedial caution have not been infected only proves the virus remains difficult to contract. Carrying for an Ebola victim is not like caring for someone with the flu. Many more bodily fluids will be present and some even projectiled with Ebola patients.

I personally don't share this opinion. Those who have contracted the virus and then returned to the US were in extremely close/intimate contact with an infected person. Even more so than some close family members of the infected. The fact entire households of individuals who take even remedial caution have not been infected only proves the virus remains difficult to contract. Carrying for an Ebola victim is not like caring for someone with the flu. Many more bodily fluids will be present and some even projectiled with Ebola patients.

The rate of spread in Africa is what's concerning. As mentioned earlier, there have been outbreaks of EVD in Africa for 40-some years, but never one so widespread, or so many infected. Historically, Ebola's very lethality has limited it's ability to spread, but this time it's exploded across W. Africa. Something different is happening with this.

The rate of spread in Africa is what's concerning. As mentioned earlier, there have been outbreaks of EVD in Africa for 40-some years, but never one so widespread, or so many infected. Historically, Ebola's very lethality has limited it's ability to spread, but this time it's exploded across W. Africa. Something different is happening with this.

The only difference I've read is that the older outbreaks occurred in rural areas, and this time it made it's way to urban centers.

The rate of spread in Africa is what's concerning. As mentioned earlier, there have been outbreaks of EVD in Africa for 40-some years, but never one so widespread, or so many infected. Historically, Ebola's very lethality has limited it's ability to spread, but this time it's exploded across W. Africa. Something different is happening with this.

You also have to factor in more than just the virus and look at the effected population's reaction and culture - which is often directly tied to the rate of transmission. In areas where they accept the prevention standards (not touching the bodies of the dead, not hiding the infected from healthcare workers, and burning the deceased) the numbers are 'manageable' and not that different from past outbreaks when you consider population density changes. In areas where they not only ignore the health standards but also spread misinformation about healthcare workers intentionally infected the indigenous people, naturally the rates continue to increase. Same virus - different reaction from those effected by it = equals different rates of transmission. This is further supported by the fact that once an infected person enters the USA there is no outbreak and no unexplained transmissions through casual contact.

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I personally don't share this opinion. Those who have contracted the virus and then returned to the US were in extremely close/intimate contact with an infected person. Even more so than some close family members of the infected. The fact entire households of individuals who take even remedial caution have not been infected only proves the virus remains difficult to contract. Carrying for an Ebola victim is not like caring for someone with the flu. Many more bodily fluids will be present and some even projectiled with Ebola patients.
Just to point out the first doctor brought back to the US for treatment strongly believes he was not infected while caring for a patient while in protective gear, rather, he believes he probably got in during intake. The ones infected (and there have been far too many) have in the main been unaware of how it happened.

Some places are imposing a 21 day quarantine period on returning health care workers caring for ebola patients. This is being met with much anger and angst on the part of some, with the accompanying argument that this will make it less likely that medical personnel are less likely to volunteer.

I have a few thoughts on this: 1) blame other health care providers and professionals who have largely failed to self isolate even though they agreed. They screwed over their colleagues by demonstrating that self isolation is unreliable. 2) the notion that health care workers selflessly willing to risk their lives and health are more deterred by a 21 day quarantine period than the risks coupled with having to be away from their families while in Africa strikes me as nonsensical. 3) quarantine would be very difficult and I wouldn't want to have to do it. But quarantine in your home or apartment merely backed up by court order doesn't strike me as a bad compromise. At the least, these folks shouldn't be going to restaurants, using public transportation, etc. The huge public cost of tracking potentially exposed persons and potential catastrophic financial burdens on small businesses gives society a dog in the fight beyond the health risks.

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Just to point out the first doctor brought back to the US for treatment strongly believes he was not infected while caring for a patient while in protective gear, rather, he believes he probably got in during intake. The ones infected (and there have been far too many) have in the main been unaware of how it happened.

And we have no idea to what degree his contact was with infected individuals during the intake process or during actual treatment - beyond the FACT that he placed himself, as a medical professional, in extremely close contact with a population suffering from the virus. Which means he had more than casual contact with them and their bodily fluids AND the items they contaminate with those infect bodily fluids.

The FACT that there appears to be no casual secondary transmission should put the whole "they have no idea how they contracted the virus" in proper perspective for those not looking to be alarmists.

A great article by the NewYorker on Ebola that is worth a read for all. Inside the Ebola Wars (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/27/ebola-wars)

A great article by the NewYorker on Ebola that is worth a read for all. Inside the Ebola Wars (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/27/ebola-wars)

that article only reinforces my opinion on how hard the virus is to catch. The conditions over there seem so deplorable yet if the disease was so easy to catch then you know the infected numbers would be growing even faster than they are now.

Just to be on the safe side, shouldn't you wait until the incubation period is completely over until you start going out and engaging in the general public again? Even at least 10 days or so? Just so you know you don't have it? If it were me, I'd play safe at 21.

I'm not a doctor who knew what to look for and was monitoring himself for any signs.

An interesting take on quarantine.....

I'm guessing the general knee-jerk reaction is going to be "suck it up and stop whining about being isolated." Personally, I see her point. Don't know if I completely agree with it, but I see it nonetheless.

Ebola gets political: Gov. Christie defends quarantine - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/politics/ebola-quarantine-christie-white-house/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

The second nurse (the Cleveland bride) has beat ebola and is out of the hospital, thank goodness. Her mom and fiance have been sitting it out in Presby hospital but so far, so good. Looking like the wedding is going to happen so that's great news.

The NYC hipster doc is in serious but stable condition. Reportedly, he lied to the police about breaking isolation, claiming he'd not left his apartment. When police checked his story with the subway folk that showed his subway pass had been used, he confessed to going bowling, running, a restaurant, etc. Dick.

Our favorite CDC progressive nurse who threatened to sue Christie (finally, someone the progressives can get behind right before an election!) was taken by private car to the more "reasonable" Maine. Now there, the twit is refusing to abide by their quarantine rules, too. She will NOT self isolate and they can't make her. Obama called her, personally (could we expect less?) and this little activist is making the news shows announcing she won't be bullied by politicians. Sigh. I hope she doesn't fancy she is standing up for anyone's rights. She is the poster child for self centered unreasonableness and contributing to the notion that the government does NOT have a handle on this.

Jeeze, stay home and take one for the team, girl. Rather than work to ease fears by showing there is nothing to fear from the disease being spread by undisciplined exposed individuals, she is behaving like a brat. The takeaway is not that ebola won't spread - the takeaway is that people will expose us if they feel like it because sacrifice for THEIR country is not happening. She is just the latest chapter in making the CDC and government look incompetent. I am honestly wondering if she is a plant who was never exposed, engaged in a little game to drum up anti quarantine sentiment. I can't make sense of her behavior, otherwise.

...Our favorite CDC progressive nurse who threatened to sue Christie (finally, someone the progressives can get behind right before an election!) was taken by private car to the more "reasonable" Maine. Now there, the twit is refusing to abide by their quarantine rules, too. She will NOT self isolate and they can't make her. Obama called her, personally (could we expect less?) and this little activist is making the news shows announcing she won't be bullied by politicians. Sigh. I hope she doesn't fancy she is standing up for anyone's rights. She is the poster child for self centered unreasonableness and contributing to the notion that the government does NOT have a handle on this.

Jeeze, stay home and take one for the team, girl. Rather than work to ease fears by showing there is nothing to fear from the disease being spread by undisciplined exposed individuals, she is behaving like a brat. The takeaway is not that ebola won't spread - the takeaway is that people will expose us if they feel like it because sacrifice for THEIR country is not happening. She is just the latest chapter in making the CDC and government look incompetent.


While you have the terms 'dick', 'hipster', 'brat', and twit' down pat - how about you show some ability to debate on a mature level without the name calling and (heaven forbid) actually learn these people's names..... Personally, I support Kaci Hickox and her complaints about her original self-isolation.

As for her refusal to isolate in Maine according to Maine's guidelines - I have no real objection to it based on her specific case.

While Ebola has yet to casually infect a 3rd party in the US and people are yelling "quarantine her! quarantine her!", thousand do die every year by casually being infected with influenza. At least history and real fatality numbers could actually support that quarantine scenario. But is anyone calling for it? No. How about those infected with HIV (the virus is present in bodily fluids including sweat and tears and yet you don't have to be symptomatic to be infectious). How about Hepatitis? The list goes on, and on.

I don't support the Ebola quarantine as it is currently being enforced because it only has a foundation of fear - not fact - and sets a dangerous precedence.

If 3rd parties start to become infected through casual contact then certainly I'd re-evaluate the policy and its implementation.

Glad to see Oklahoma's policy is far more reasonable.

Twit, brat, selfish kid on the nurse. LYING dick for the doc and he convicts himself by cowardly lying about his behavior. If I come up with more for you, I'll add 'em. There is no debate over whether he lied (showing his own understanding that what he was doing wasn't appropriate) or this nurse child is being completely unreasonable. She won't even agree to voluntarily self isolate. My name calling has more to do with her current behavior than in New Jersey but don't forget, she spiked a 101 fever at the airport. Yeah, stress did that. She attributes it to anger and perhaps it is. She sounds like a hot head and I feel for Maine. She may not be speading ebola but she sure is spreading a lack of trust and respect for these creatures. In her world, real life people and their reactions don't matter. So glad she isn't my neighbor. I can't imagine having to live near someone so self centered and I don't mean about ebola.

Twit, brat, selfish kid on the nurse. LYING dick for the doc and he convicts himself by cowardly lying about his behavior. If I come up with more for you, I'll add 'em. There is no debate over whether he lied (showing his own understanding that what he was doing wasn't appropriate) or this nurse child is being completely unreasonable. She won't even agree to voluntarily self isolate. My name calling has more to do with her current behavior than in New Jersey but don't forget, she spiked a 101 fever at the airport. Yeah, stress did that. She attributes it to anger and perhaps it is. She sounds like a hot head and I feel for Maine. She may not be speading ebola but she sure is spreading a lack of trust and respect for these creatures. In her world, real life people and their reactions don't matter. So glad she isn't my neighbor. I can't imagine having to live near someone so self centered and I don't mean about ebola.

Always refreshing to see someone going out of their way to reinforce my own perspective about them. Please, by all means, carry on......

Yet, with all this mistrust, lying and self-serving behavior - not a single transmission.

Oh yeah, and while you went off about the 'lying doctor' (whom I never even mention in my comment directed at you), you managed to completely ignore my actual post and the point it brings up.

As for your point - yeah - I'm pretty glad I don't have certain neighbors myself (I leave you with your own delusions - I mean conclusions).

yes a nurse who helped treat dying people in a 3rd world country sounds like a complete Nightmare of a human being. how self centered and selfish of her.. also a Dr who is active in the Doctors without borders program what a complete a$$hole that guy must be. I am tired of people being so judgemental of people who have given so much and put their lives on the line for so many.. when you have done as much for other then start throwing stones their way. disgusting. More people have died of the flu during the time it took you to write these comments than have even been infected with Ebola in the united states. Time for a reality check.

You clearly don't grasp the problem. You seem to think the "panic" is merely about ignorance and that the way to deal with it is to shove the facts down the throats of idiots. When has that ever worked? They need empirical evidence before they will believe that UNLESS the source offering the information is a trusted one. The CDC, the nurse and this doctor may or may not be correct that ebola is hard to catch. In fact, I expect they are. But the CDC is tainted because it has made it clear it is wondering around in the wilderness. The hipster doc agreed to certain to restrictions, ignored them and then lied about it. The problem with Dr. Hipster is not that he has ebola and might spread it. The problem is that he has undermined the trust anyone can have in the willingness of exposed medical personnel to be honest and follow through on safety precautions. What if the temperature had spiked when he was away from home? He clearly felt comfortable enough to be wandering around which tells you, right there, that he thought it was safe. Exhibit about 400 that even medical professionals can't be trusted to do what they say. That is the largest source of the panic.

As for Nurse Twit - she gets points for being honest about what she is going to do but loses all of them because she is being so "in your face" and insensitive to the overall situation. So, what next - stop wearing gloves to draw blood from healthy patients because the risk is so miniscule? She is likely correct that she is not going to get ebola (as I said, I am suspecting a plant). She is willing to gamble and that is exactly why there has been such an outcry. She isn't gambling with HER health, she is gambling with the health of others. As a good neighbor and a medical professional, I can't imagine why she doesn't make known that she thinks quarantine is over the top but be willing to prove to the world that it is. All she is doing is making the "heroes" look like self centered twits. If she doesn't have to go into quarantine (even though the law saws she does), she puts herself above the law and does nothing to calm fears. She simply fans them and sets a horrible example for NON medical personnel to go around as if there is no risk.

This is primarily a trust issue and lying, being incompetent and selfish feeds it.

yes a nurse who helped treat dying people in a 3rd world country sounds like a complete Nightmare of a human being. how self centered and selfish of her.. also a Dr who is active in the Doctors without borders program what a complete a$$hole that guy must be. I am tired of people being so judgemental of people who have given so much and put their lives on the line for so many.. when you have done as much for other then start throwing stones their way. disgusting. More people have died of the flu during the time it took you to write these comments than have even been infected with Ebola in the united states. Time for a reality check.

They don't get a pass to do whatever they want because they treated ebola patients. Still lying, still being self centered. You can be an absolute jerk, bad parent, mass murderer or tax cheat even if you treat ebola patients. They can't hide behind that to excuse lies and selfishness.

well you can lump these people in with Mass murderers and tax cheats and jerks or whoever you want. I am still glad they exist and put their lives on the line for the benefit of others. Takes a special type of person to be in those positions and clearly can be without any thanks from much of the General public. I would take them as neighbors any day.

well you can lump these people in with Mass murderers and tax cheats and jerks or whoever you want. I am still glad they exist and put their lives on the line for the benefit of others. Takes a special type of person to be in those positions and clearly can be without any thanks from much of the General public. I would take them as neighbors any day.

I didn't lump them in with the list other that to say it has nothing to do with what they did in Africa. You are trying to attribute some sort of overall virtue to them based on that and it has little to do with what we are talking about, here. If you want to say those guys are all clearly honest, faithful, unselfish since they treated ebola patients, blah, blah, blah, go for it. It is nonsense so I don't know why you'd even spout such platitudes.

I am not saying that I don't appreciate what they did for the ebola patients so that is a straw man. No one is saying that. But is has absolutely nothing to do with what they did when they came back home in terms of virtue. Nor do they deserve the benefit of the doubt on clear lying and and refusal to consider the concerns of the states and fellow citizens. The only reason you feel the way you do is because you, personally, have a comfort level with their behavior. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

This twit is going to screw over the reputations of her fellow health care providers in terms of trustworthiness and concern for their fellow citizens and harm the mission. If they want the public to support their worthy organizations, then don't come back and sneer at people who are concerned they are bringing ebola with them. I know plenty of people who wouldn't give a dime to this nurse's organization, now, since they know medical staff aren't concerned about THEIR concerns about it returning to the US. Nice job, Nurse.

I didn't lump them in with the list other that to say it has nothing to do with what they did in Africa. You are trying to attribute some sort of overall virtue to them based on that and it has little to do with what we are talking about, here. If you want to say those guys are all clearly honest, faithful, unselfish since they treated ebola patients, blah, blah, blah, go for it. It is nonsense so I don't know why you'd even spout such platitudes.

I am not saying that I don't appreciate what they did for the ebola patients so that is a straw man. No one is saying that. But is has absolutely nothing to do with what they did when they came back home in terms of virtue. Nor do they deserve the benefit of the doubt on clear lying and and refusal to consider the concerns of the states and fellow citizens. The only reason you feel the way you do is because you, personally, have a comfort level with their behavior. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

This twit is going to screw over the reputations of her fellow health care providers in terms of trustworthiness and concern for their fellow citizens and harm the mission. If they want the public to support their worthy organizations, then don't come back and sneer at people who are concerned they are bringing ebola with them. I know plenty of people who wouldn't give a dime to this nurse's organization, now, since they know medical staff aren't concerned about THEIR concerns about it returning to the US. Nice job, Nurse.

It's like reading the talking points straight off right wing hate blogs. Do you ever have an original insult or thought?

These people are heroes that risked their lives to save others. There's a lot of people being twits and dicks about Ebola and you are lining right up with them. Using Ebola for political games is pretty damn bad, but trashing the very people risking their lives to solve the problem is the real dick move.

It's like reading the talking points straight off right wing hate blogs. Do you ever have an original insult or thought?

These people are heroes that risked their lives to save others. There's a lot of people being twits and dicks about Ebola and you are lining right up with them. Using Ebola for political games is pretty damn bad, but trashing the very people risking their lives to solve the problem is the real dick move.
You know, it sounds like you are accusing me of not having original thoughts rather than simply voicing my opinion that I came up with on my own. Surely not. Is there a reason you have to go after me, personally? Of course there is - because you are being emotional about this. Try to get a grip.

That the doctor lied to the POLICE to cover going bowling and all the crap from this little nurse is something I have to get from a blog? Nice way to try to dismiss my comments. And leave it to you to try to use this for politics? You think that is my concern? Only through projection, buddy. My only point about politics is not that I am using it. I suggest the WH/this nurse is using it the way they do every. single. issue.

But let's try this on for size. Suppose the facts are all the same - same level of exposure, same individuals, same everything. Now suppose the nurse is refusing to isolate herself because she believes God will keep her and everyone safe. I just saw your trust in her credibility go down the tubes and you are immediately starting to wonder how competent she is/was, whether she took chances we know nothing about, and whether she will actually pay attention to important health clues that would signal the onset of ebola. Now, suppose Obama still called her, personally, and voiced a similar opinion that God would keep us safe. Again, the same doubts arise even though the exact same exposure exist and "scientifically" we know ebola is hard to catch. The bottom line is that you trust these people. Plenty do not and respond accordingly even if they know ebola is not easy to catch. It makes a huge difference in how you react to the situation. That is why it is so very important for their behavior to be soothing and beyond reproach. They have failed miserably and harmed their mission. Attacking me, personally, for calling them out for lying and being self centered is prompted only by your blind faith in their credibility and that is obvious. If you have no problem with their honesty or willingness to exercise self discipline and self denial on the quarantine, that is your prerogative. Attacking me, personally, and suggesting I can't think for myself because I have a different assessment of their character based on the undisputed FACTS is uncalled for.

You know, it sounds like you are accusing me of not having original thoughts rather than simply voicing my opinion that I came up with on my own. Surely not. Is there a reason you have to go after me, personally? Of course there is - because you are being emotional about this. Try to get a grip.

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This response is getting old. every time you are called out you accuse the person of being emotional and then go on a Tirade and tell us exactly what you have said in your past 5 posts.. we get it.. we just don't agree.. the end

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This response is getting old. every time you are called out you accuse the person of being emotional and then go on a Tirade and tell us exactly what you have said in your past 5 posts.. we get it.. we just don't agree.. the end

Considering she's responding to "Do you ever have an original insult or thought?" and "There's a lot of people being twits and dicks about Ebola and you are lining right up with them." I think her response is pretty calm. Those type of personal attacks and insults aren't supposed to be tolerated here, and certainly shouldn't be in any sort of polite discourse or society. It makes OKCTalk look pretty bad. This isn't even the politics forum, which at least people can expect those type of attacks here. I certainly hope the mods step in here.

But let's try this on for size. Suppose the facts are all the same - same level of exposure, same individuals, same everything. Now suppose the nurse is refusing to isolate herself because she believes God will keep her and everyone safe.

Yes, credibility does go down for if people are basing decisions on the idea that God will keep people safe instead of following science and medical practices. It’s basic logic. There are thousands of dead Christians in Africa to prove that God will not protect people, even good Christians, while there are zero infections in the US when the correct medical practices have been followed. You are not infectious if you are non symptomatic. It’s that simple. The fear mongering is political and has no basis in medical or scientific facts.

Considering she's responding to "Do you ever have an original insult or thought?" and "There's a lot of people being twits and dicks about Ebola and you are lining right up with them." I think her response is pretty calm. Those type of personal attacks and insults aren't supposed to be tolerated here, and certainly shouldn't be in any sort of polite discourse or society. It makes OKCTalk look pretty bad. This isn't even the politics forum, which at least people can expect those type of attacks here. I certainly hope the mods step in here.

You might want to read up on who introduced all that language to this thread.

You might want to read up on who introduced all that language to this thread.

Oh, I must have missed the posts where she attacked you personally with that language, rather than talking about a 3rd party states away....

Oh, I must have missed the posts where she attacked you personally with that language, rather than talking about a 3rd party states away....

Does that matter if calling people names?

Considering she's responding to "Do you ever have an original insult or thought?" and "There's a lot of people being twits and dicks about Ebola and you are lining right up with them." I think her response is pretty calm. Those type of personal attacks and insults aren't supposed to be tolerated here, and certainly shouldn't be in any sort of polite discourse or society. It makes OKCTalk look pretty bad. This isn't even the politics forum, which at least people can expect those type of attacks here. I certainly hope the mods step in here.

I agree that personal attacks are not called for on posters on the board.
But I don't reallu think calling these medical professionals names is very dignified considering their service.
but thats my opinion

Does that matter if calling people names?

Yes. And I know you know there is a difference between a direct attack on another poster, and talking about a "twit" in the news. Would you consider calling someone in the news a "darwin award nominee" the same as directly calling another poster a "darwin award nominee"?

Yes. And I know you know there is a difference between a direct attack on another poster, and talking about a "twit" in the news. Would you consider calling someone in the news a "darwin award nominee" the same as directly calling another poster a "darwin award nominee"?

Calling someone a Darwin nominee isn't calling them names. So using personal attacks on people is OK because they don't post on this forum? just making sure that's the case. Now if I used a personal attack on a member of your family that's OK because they don't post here?

Calling someone a Darwin nominee isn't calling them names. So using personal attacks on people is OK because they don't post on this forum? just making sure that's the case. Now if I used a personal attack on a member of your family that's OK because they don't post here?

At this point you're just being intentionally argumentative. You're an adult, and you know the difference. If not, I'm sure Pete or someone can explain it to you, but I don't have the time nor inclination.

I agree that personal attacks are not called for on posters on the board.
But I don't reallu think calling these medical professionals names is very dignified considering their service.
but thats my opinion
I'm not concerned about impressing people by being "dignified" which is just a cover for demanding that we all be PC, no matter what.

Just as a reminder of what the doctor actually did. He didn't "just" break the quarantine agreed to by both him and his employer, Doctors Without Borders - he did it for frivolous reasons. But far more troubling, this pillar of the community who Knew he had ebola, lied to the police about leaving his apartment. If he hadn't gotten busted by his credit card and metro pass, authorities wouldn't have been able to backtrack and do appropriate tracking. He put others at risk to avoid getting busted, damaging his professional reputation, possibly losing his job and giving his employer a black eye. Unlike the CDC, charitable organizations rely on donations. The argument that we need to fight it THERE falls flat when when infected doctors lie so as to keep people HERE from being monitored. The risk was surely slight but the arrogance and selfishness to put his personal wellbeing above others makes calling him a lying dick fairly tame. Who is he to decide when others are concerned? I'll tell you - someone who knew he screwed up and was willing to put others at risk to hide it.

At this point you're just being intentionally argumentative. You're an adult, and you know the difference. If not, I'm sure Pete or someone can explain it to you, but I don't have the time nor inclination.

Not at all, I was just trying to clarify when it was OK to call somebody names using your example. You still didn't answer.

I'm not concerned about impressing people by being "dignified" which is just a cover for demanding that we all be PC, no matter what.

Just as a reminder of what the doctor actually did. He didn't "just" break the quarantine agreed to by both him and his employer, Doctors Without Borders - he did it for frivolous reasons. But far more troubling, this pillar of the community who Knew he had ebola, lied to the police about leaving his apartment. If he hadn't gotten busted by his credit card and metro pass, authorities wouldn't have been able to backtrack and do appropriate tracking. He put others at risk to avoid getting busted, damaging his professional reputation, possibly losing his job and giving his employer a black eye. Unlike the CDC, charitable organizations rely on donations. The argument that we need to fight it THERE falls flat when when infected doctors lie so as to keep people HERE from being monitored. The risk was surely slight but the arrogance and selfishness to put his personal wellbeing above others makes calling him a lying dick fairly tame. Who is he to decide when others are concerned? I'll tell you - someone who knew he screwed up and was willing to put others at risk to hide it.

I understand you don't care to be dignified. my point was name calling has gotten you into more than one of these debates so perhaps more merit would be given to your points if you didn't resort to that tactic.
on the other points we get it. you can detail it over and over but I think we are clear from the first post about him that you didn't care for him or his actions and never will regardless that is your opinion and some of us don't share it. no matter how detailed you restate it we still aren't with you.

The big harm, IMO, from the doctor's behavior isn't the risk of infection, which seems to be minimal, but in the consequences it has caused in the overreaction and creation of new stricter quarantine rules.

The big harm, IMO, from the doctor's behavior isn't the risk of infection, which seems to be minimal, but in the consequences it has caused in the overreaction and creation of new stricter quarantine rules.

THAT i can agree with.

I wonder if any of us realize that the spread of The Ebola Virus is entirely outside of our personal influence?
We have handed our personal responses to An [imagined/for real] Health Crisis over to The Managers of stuff like this.
I, for one, will not die from Ebola. (nor from an accident I cause by texting in traffic)
If Mr. Barnum would have known how much "Income" he could have generated by creating a Hospital instead of a Circus . . . =)

Suggested Reading: (Amy Reading . . . Google It)
(edited to add: "The Mark Inside" . . . and The Hot Zone (about Ebola, sort of Michael Christonstyle/Global Warming))

Not trying to take away from the seriousness of the subject but... I was channel surfing the other night, can't remember what channel I stop on, but one of the talking heads said you have a better chance of marrying a Kardashian than getting Ebola. All I could think was that's like choosing between a firing squad or getting hung by the neck 'till dead.