If he's presenting symptoms, he SHOULD not be leaning on his wife. This would be a fail all around. The nurse that caught it in Spain touched her face with gloves she was using to handle the patient.
If he's sick or ignorant, he might not know or be aware. That was reported by a witness who described how he was there and the whole place exploded with closing off areas and whisking everyone to bigger hospitals for evaluation. He said he and his wife immediately hid in an examining room, found masks and doused themselves with disinfectant. This sort of thing doesn't give much confidence in the much praised CDC. People are people and real life is no laboratory.

Wow.... this could be really bad

This sort of thing doesn't give much confidence in the much praised CDC. People are people and real life is no laboratory.

If he was indeed infected, there was a big goof up somewhere and that will certainly put a damper on confidence in the CDC. Which is a little aggravating to me.

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This is one of the dumbest news reports I've ever seen. Ebola is possible anywhere. All Dr. Oz was saying was that it could spread to nearby cities which everyone already knows. The article makes it sound like the guy singled out OKC as a particularly "possible" place for ebola. Yeesh.

The real solution is not very PC but sending money and educators and doctors has been going on for decades. What do we get in return? Aids and Ebola. Time to let them sink or swim on their own. I have kids and Grandkids to worry about. I have taken off my shirt and am chained to "my" post. Let the lashing begin.

does anybody know info on the second possible case the news was talking about yesterday out in Frisco Texas? It just seemed to disappear and no more talk about it

does anybody know info on the second possible case the news was talking about yesterday out in Frisco Texas? It just seemed to disappear and no more talk about it

I believe I read that they said it was unlikely he caught Ebola.

Frisco Patient May Have Ebola (But Probably Doesn?t) | FrontBurner | D Magazine (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2014/10/08/frisco-patient-may-have-ebola/)

Frisco patient considered 'very minimal risk' for Ebola | abc13.com (http://abc13.com/health/frisco-patient-considered-very-minimal-risk-for-ebola/342145/)

Apparently he doesn't appear to have direct contact with the patient. Maybe he said he did have contact so he can get looked at more quickly.

"Everybody lies..."

That guy is a deputy sheriff who was in the apt of the guy that died a few days after he went to the hospital. He wasn't feeling well so as a precaution he went to get checked out. Again as a precaution he was isolated and transferred to the hospital from a Med Clinic in a special ambulance. The doctors are saying there is a 0% chance he has Ebola but they are still being cautious. The local news is making it look like it's a disaster from all the reporting and are climbing over each other to get coverage. The guys family said he's not sick from Ebola, the doctors and the CDC say the same thing.

That guy is a deputy sheriff who was in the apt of the guy that died a few days after he went to the hospital. He wasn't feeling well so as a precaution he went to get checked out. Again as a precaution he was isolated and transferred to the hospital from a Med Clinic in a special ambulance. The doctors are saying there is a 0% chance he has Ebola but they are still being cautious. The local news is making it look like it's a disaster from all the reporting and are climbing over each other to get coverage. The guys family said he's not sick from Ebola, the doctors and the CDC say the same thing.

Yup, I did a bit of reading about this after it was being blown all over the net that there was "SECOND EBOLA" in Dallas, then only to find out the guy was having (primarily) upset stomach symptoms and mentioned to the quick-care clinic that he had been around Patient Zero. That set off all the alarm bells. Given how rapidly the story muted, I'm making an assumption that the docs and officials in charge really don't think he's got anything more than a poorly-timed round of some more generic stomach bug. I think someone semi-official (?) actually did, in fact, come out and say "0% chance", and I can't fathom saying that without a darned high level of confidence.

Hope that's true. Horrendous timing, of course, and I can't blame the reaction, but still. Said it would take 24-48 hours to get the relevant tests back. The uncertainty must be ghastly for him and his family.

Yup, I did a bit of reading about this after it was being blown all over the net that there was "SECOND EBOLA" in Dallas, then only to find out the guy was having (primarily) upset stomach symptoms and mentioned to the quick-care clinic that he had been around Patient Zero. That set off all the alarm bells. Given how rapidly the story muted, I'm making an assumption that the docs and officials in charge really don't think he's got anything more than a poorly-timed round of some more generic stomach bug. I think someone semi-official (?) actually did, in fact, come out and say "0% chance", and I can't fathom saying that without a darned high level of confidence.

Hope that's true. Horrendous timing, of course, and I can't blame the reaction, but still. Said it would take 24-48 hours to get the relevant tests back. The uncertainty must be ghastly for him and his family.

Thanks all for the info. I just thought it was odd that it was all over the news yesterday afternoon then nothing more.

One of the more ignorant parts of the news coverage was when they were at the deputies house talking to his son they showed the address of where a police officer lived. I doubt he wanted that plastered over the evening news.

The real solution is not very PC but sending money and educators and doctors has been going on for decades. What do we get in return? Aids and Ebola. Time to let them sink or swim on their own. I have kids and Grandkids to worry about. I have taken off my shirt and am chained to "my" post. Let the lashing begin.

Mel, if this isn't contained and spreads to Central America, we will be wiped out with hordes racing to the US desparately hoping for safety. It is in our national interest to stop it and in the process, help others.

I believe I read that they said it was unlikely he caught Ebola.

Frisco Patient May Have Ebola (But Probably Doesn?t) | FrontBurner | D Magazine (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2014/10/08/frisco-patient-may-have-ebola/)

Frisco patient considered 'very minimal risk' for Ebola | abc13.com (http://abc13.com/health/frisco-patient-considered-very-minimal-risk-for-ebola/342145/)

Apparently he doesn't appear to have direct contact with the patient. Maybe he said he did have contact so he can get looked at more quickly.

"Everybody lies..."

I sincerely hope he is okay and they are reporting that he is not running a fever which makes these other symptoms unlikely to be ebola related. Since there was such alarm by the deputies that they were required to enter the apartment without appropriate gear (don't blame them a bit), this might be freak out on his part or someone with his lip out (and I don't blame him for that, either). Fingers crossed that this is a false alarm and that the other contacts remain healthy.

The real solution is not very PC but sending money and educators and doctors has been going on for decades. What do we get in return? Aids and Ebola. Time to let them sink or swim on their own. I have kids and Grandkids to worry about. I have taken off my shirt and am chained to "my" post. Let the lashing begin.


I understand your general premise, however dramatic for whatever personal reasons - but you aren’t really considering how viruses/disease spread.

If we could hermetically seal our borders, and restrict anyone or any good from entering the united states that has had any contact with anyone /anything that has traveled internationally (all of asia, all of Europe, all of Africa, all of everywhere) because anyone/thing could potentially come in contact with someone who picked up something from somewhere else. So we basically have to shut down all of international trade/travel forever.

I hate the idea of foreign aid; but with things like pandemic viruses we either fight it overseas or it will end up on our doorsteps. There is nothing political about it – the virus doesn’t care who you are, where you came from, or what you believe.

One OK State Rep wants to have a state of emergency declared before there's a single sick person in the state........

Fallin: No need to call emergency in Oklahoma over Ebola | News OK (http://newsok.com/fallin-no-need-to-call-emergency-in-oklahoma-over-ebola/article/5350091)

Mel, if this isn't contained and spreads to Central America, we will be wiped out with hordes racing to the US desparately hoping for safety.

We will be "wiped out"? Seriously?

Remind me, how many related cases have there been so far to the one patient?

You keep spreading the hyperbolic fear of Ebola and now you are mixing in a fear of brown people and immigrants. That's not at all completely baseless or racist. No, not at all.

Please note, I am not calling you a racist, but the claims and ideas you are parroting from the right wing hot air machine are indeed racist.

Dallas sheriff now in "good" condition, no fever, and is "very unlikely" to have Ebola.

No signs of Ebola for Dallas deputy who fell ill after visiting patient?s home; tests expected back today | Dallas Morning News (http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/presbyterian-hospital-says-deputy-who-fell-ill-after-visiting-dallas-ebola-patients-home-in-good-condition.html/)

We will be "wiped out"? Seriously?

Remind me, how many related cases have there been so far to the one patient?

You keep spreading the hyperbolic fear of Ebola and now you are mixing in a fear of brown people and immigrants. That's not at all completely baseless or racist. No, not at all.

Please note, I am not calling you a racist, but the claims and ideas you are parroting from the right wing hot air machine are indeed racist.

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http://www.moviehdwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/World-War-Z-2013-Stills.jpgThat actually happened. I was there. The actor of that movie, was actually me. Oh, and that was no movie.

The Ebola outbreak like many other infectious diseases that has hit our country goes through cycles & stages of concern which brings slight panic until we gather definitive information.

Remember polio, cholera, swine flu, yellow fever and the most recent HIV-AIDS epidemic where people were concerned about the possibility of a mosquito bite transmission; it will take time to chart & study these diseases. The greatest concern today is mutation of diseases which is evident of many that we thought were eradicated make their return.

Fast forward today; we have less trust in the media, big business, government & institutions in general as there has been a total erosion of credibility in these areas over the years. Plus, there's so much misinformation circulated on half truths and down right lies (for whatever reason or hidden agenda) that has been fed to the public that you don't know who to trust or what to believe.

We do know this: practice personal hygiene with frequent hand washing to help minimize risks.

I'll be at the Texas State Fair on Saturday for the game, it will be interesting if the attendance has been affect6ed by all the news.

What I would be more concerned with is the spreading of viral illnesses some of which have largely been eradicated up until now. These were no doubt brought in by the thousands of unaccompanied minors from Central America months ago. I find it very hard to believe the current admin has the best interest of the American people high up on the list at this point.

Hey, if the lines are shorter for corny dogs and beers, I'm good with it.

The greatest concern today is mutation of diseases which is evident of many that we thought were eradicated make their return.


Resurgence more so with the anti-vaccine campaigns for many viral infections and overuse of antibiotics for bacterial infections.

What I would be more concerned with is the spreading of viral illnesses some of which have largely been eradicated up until now. These were no doubt brought in by the thousands of unaccompanied minors from Central America months ago. I find it very hard to believe the current admin has the best interest of the American people high up on the list at this point.

Are there any stats to show this is happening?

I looked up infection rates by country, I found some data on Measles for instance. There are no measles outbreaks in Central America. None. No cases. The US and Canada are the only countries in the Americas with any kind of measles infection rate. It's anti-science anti-vaxers that are spreading illness here, not immigrants.

http://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/burden/vpd/surveillance_type/active/measlesreportedcasesbycountry.pdf

Central America is poor, but nothing like what much of Africa is like. Central American countries have per capita incomes several times that countries like Liberia. Mexico is actually downright wealthy. Mexico’s per capita income is over $10,000 a year and is more than 20x that of Liberia. Average income in Mexico is 50% higher than China’s per capita income.

The people making these claims about Latin American immigrants and the refugee children spreading illness are racists fanning the flames of fear.

Tests on the Dallas sheriff have come back *NEGATIVE* for Ebola. He does *not* have Ebola. The quick-care clinic he visited has reopened.

They are reporting that a deputy who entered the first ebola patient's apartment has presented with ebola symptoms and he was transfered from Frisco to the same hospital for evaluation. A witness described him entering the facility, looking very sick and leaning on his wife. Very frightening. Hopefully, he does not have the disease.

Even more hopefully: I hope SHE doesn't either.
(never mind: the outbreak has apparently been nipped in the bud)

Enterovirus 68 which hasn't been prevalent in the US but has been prevalent in South America has been popping in areas where the unaccompanied children were spread.

Enterovirus 68 which hasn't been prevalent in the US but has been prevalent in South America has been popping in areas where the unaccompanied children were spread.

Do you have any data to support that? Everything I'm reading says it's cropping up in Europe and the US at roughly the same time.

Enterovirus 68 which hasn't been prevalent in the US but has been prevalent in South America has been popping in areas where the unaccompanied children were spread.

Incorrect, the initial outbreak for this year's Enterovirus 68 started in the Midwestern states. Article here: JAMA Network | JAMA | CDC Tracking Enterovirus D-68 Outbreak Causing Severe Respiratory Illness in Children in the Midwest (http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1910108)

It was first found in the United States in 1962 with outbreaks originating in the US, Japan, the Netherlands, and the Philippines: PLOS ONE: Lineages, Sub-Lineages and Variants of Enterovirus 68 in Recent Outbreaks (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0036005)

Enterovirus 68 which hasn't been prevalent in the US but has been prevalent in South America has been popping in areas where the unaccompanied children were spread.

Once again any stats other than your say so?

Per my epidemiologist friend at the State Health Department, the Enterovirus tends to rear its ugly head every several years, then will die down again somewhat. It's cyclical. Not at all related to anything not already in the U.S. They're more worried about rabies, influenza and other more common infectious diseases than they ever will be about Ebola. It's just not an immediate threat, and they are frustrated as all get out with the media and the hype that is spreading about it.

Sen. James Inhofe(R-OK) is currently holding up an emergency funding bill that has cleared 3 out of 4 committees that need to sign off on using funds that were earmarked for Afghanistan that are no longer needed there. Contact the Senator and tell him we would rather be fighting Ebola in Africa so we don't need to fight it here.

Patient at deaconess does not have Ebola.

What I would be more concerned with is the spreading of viral illnesses some of which have largely been eradicated up until now. These were no doubt brought in by the thousands of unaccompanied minors from Central America months ago. I find it very hard to believe the current admin has the best interest of the American people high up on the list at this point.

Measles cases put Texas megachurch under scrutiny | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/31/measles-cases-put-texas-megachurch-under-scrutiny/)



NEWARK, Texas – The teachings of televangelist Kenneth Copeland and his family focusing on the virtues of trusting God to keep healthy are under scrutiny after a cluster of measles cases linked to his family's North Texas megachurch revealed many congregants hadn't been vaccinated against the highly contagious disease.

Although church officials were quick to act after the outbreak -- including hosting clinics in August where 220 people received immunization shots -- and have denied they are against medical care or vaccinations, people familiar with the ministry say there is a pervasive culture that believers should rely on God, not modern medicine, to keep them well.

"To get a vaccine would have been viewed by me and my friends and my peers as an act of fear -- that you doubted God would keep you safe, you doubted God would keep you healthy. We simply didn't do it," former church member Amy Arden told The Associated Press.

Health officials say 21 people were sickened with the measles after a person who contracted the virus overseas visited the 1,500-member Eagle Mountain International Church located on the vast grounds of Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Newark, about 20 miles north of Fort Worth.

Of the 21 people who contracted measles linked to the church, 16 were unvaccinated. The others may have had at least one vaccination, but had no documentation.

During an August 2010 broadcast, Copeland expressed shock at the number of vaccinations recommended for his great-grandchild.

"I got to looking into that and some of it is criminal. ... You're not putting -- what is it Hepatitis B -- in an infant! That's crazy. That is a shot for a sexually transmitted disease. What? In a baby?" he said. "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't. You better go read the can or read the thing -- find out what's going on there and get the information on there because I'm telling you, it's very dangerous the things that are happening around us all the time."

His wife Gloria bragged during a conference that she and her husband don't need prescription drugs, adding that the Lord heals all diseases.

Robert Hayes, risk manager for the ministries, denied that the church's teachings ever have advised against immunizations and noted the facility includes a medical clinic staffed with a physician.

Ole Anthony, president of the Dallas-based religious watchdog group Trinity Foundation, said that while there might not be specific guidance on topics such as vaccinations, the views of the leadership are clear.

"The whole atmosphere is to encourage them to have faith, and it's no faith if they go to the doctor, that's the bottom line," Anthony said.

In a sermon posted online following the outbreak, Copeland's daughter, Terri Pearsons, who is a senior pastor at Eagle Mountain along with her husband, encouraged those who hadn't been vaccinated to have it done, but added that if "you've got this covered in your household by faith and it crosses your heart of faith, then don't go do it."

In a statement denying that she opposes vaccinations, she added the concerns they had had were "primarily with very young children who have a family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time."

A fear of the MMR vaccine can be traced to a now-discredited paper published in 1998 by British researcher Andrew Wakefield and colleagues that suggested a link between autism and the combined childhood vaccine for MMR. Repeated studies since have shown no connection, the paper was eventually rejected by the journal that published it and Britain's top medical board stripped Wakefield of the right to practice medicine.

"We do know how to effectively prevent measles. We do know that and so a choice not to do that, to put a child at risk is just an unsupportable, an unconscionable choice. And in addition, you put others at risk," said Dr. Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Arden, who attended church at Eagle Mountain from 1997 to 2003 and worked at the ministries for three years, said the distrust of vaccines was so pervasive that her daughter, who as an 11-month-old was up to date on her immunizations when they joined the church, didn't get any others until they left.

"We were terrified to have any sort of fear. And anything that wasn't faith in God was fear," said Arden, 35, who now lives in New York City.

Kristy Beach, 41, said that because of the ministry's teachings, her mother, Bonnie Parker, refused to see a doctor, even as her cancer advanced rapidly. After Parker died in 2004 at age 59, Beach found her mother's diaries, which detailed the words of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland she'd heard on television in her home in Winnsboro, La.

"If she went to a doctor, it was a sin," Beach said. "You didn't believe enough if you did. She just wrote: `God heal me. God heal me. God heal me.' "

Your concerns are misdirected.

I looked up infection rates by country, I found some data on Measles for instance. There are no measles outbreaks in Central America. None. No cases. The US and Canada are the only countries in the Americas with any kind of measles infection rate. It's anti-science anti-vaxers that are spreading illness here, not immigrants.

http://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/burden/vpd/surveillance_type/active/measlesreportedcasesbycountry.pdf

Central America is poor, but nothing like what much of Africa is like. Central American countries have per capita incomes several times that countries like Liberia. Mexico is actually downright wealthy. Mexico’s per capita income is over $10,000 a year and is more than 20x that of Liberia. Average income in Mexico is 50% higher than China’s per capita income.

The people making these claims about Latin American immigrants and the refugee children spreading illness are racists fanning the flames of fear.
Racists? You are putting being PC ahead of public health. Anyone convinced our public health system isn't vastly superior and significantly different - with results to back it up - to our poorer neighbors to the south is on another planet. Poor immigrants crossing the border and not captured by our public health sysyem, especially those living in close quarters with other immigrants, spread disease and illness . You clearly haven't lived in areas such or DC or NYC where the differences in diseases between new immigrants and established residents outside of enclaves is significant and they have public health warnings posted all over the place. Nor do you seem aware of the steps medical providers take to protect against the spread of disease when dealing with new immigrants from these countries or when they visit them. Actually, I am certain you are aware of all this but that you have decided to pretend the natural consequences of the reality don't follow. Calling people racists for being concerned surely violates the forum rules and shuts down legitimate discussion. I am so sick of the pc police's attempt to squelch discussion with shame and hate. Debating these types of things and open discussion is how people learn and share knowledge. What you are doing is preaching hate and shame and nothing good comes from that.

We will be "wiped out"? Seriously?

Remind me, how many related cases have there been so far to the one patient?

You keep spreading the hyperbolic fear of Ebola and now you are mixing in a fear of brown people and immigrants. That's not at all completely baseless or racist. No, not at all.

Please note, I am not calling you a racist, but the claims and ideas you are parroting from the right wing hot air machine are indeed racist.

You are absolutely fixated on racism - which to be technical, has nothing to do with the question. At worst, this is an immigration, education or poverty issue. Wish you could get past your PC filter and try to rationally discuss beyond trying to make it all about that. Not all fear and ignorance (for the sake of argument let's say the ones you are insulting are spreading it) is fueled by racism or hatred. In fact, a big part of the problem in the people spreading diseases is due to fear and ignorance. This is a great opportunity to share information and inform but all you are wanting to do is take a position and shout down/insult people with whom you disagree on factual matters. You are making it hard to have an intelligent discussion when your main contribution is to try to bully people into silence through accusations of racism and hate.

You are absolutely fixated on racism - which to be technical, has nothing to do with the question. At worst, this is an immigration, education or poverty issue. Wish you could get past your PC filter and try to rationally discuss beyond trying to make it all about that. Not all fear and ignorance (for the sake of argument let's say the ones you are insulting are spreading it) is fueled by racism or hatred. In fact, a big part of the problem in the people spreading diseases is due to fear and ignorance. This is a great opportunity to share information and inform but all you are wanting to do is take a position and shout down/insult people with whom you disagree on factual matters. You are making it hard to have an intelligent discussion when your main contribution is to try to bully people into silence through accusations of racism and hate.

An intelligent discussion about how we are going to be wiped out from the hordes of poors from Central America? That's simply not possible because that statement is ridiculous and inflammatory.

Claiming without basis that the refugee children are spreading illness IS racist. Period.

Remind me again, how many many people have been infected with Ebola in the United States?

Oh, that's right. Zero.

A good read for this type of emotional subject was written in 1949 by George R. Stewart. The books title is "Earth Abides".

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An intelligent discussion about how we are going to be wiped out from the hordes of poors from Central America? That's simply not possible because that statement is ridiculous and inflammatory.

Claiming without basis that the refugee children are spreading illness IS racist. Period.

Remind me again, how many many people have been infected with Ebola in the United States?

Oh, that's right. Zero.
Wiped out is just a phrase. Sorry it scared you. I will try to pick a better description, next time, because many are very sensitive and unable to handle these types of discussions with any type of rationality. Does describing the outcome of a big outbreak of ebola in neighboring countries in terms of chaos, expense and death help you? I was wrong, wrong, wrong, to say we'd be wiped out. I admit it. I honestly thought a mature reader would recognize I didn't mean literally. My mistake given what I am dealing with. Must be because I am so racist. Or maybe it is because you are eaten up with racism and see it anytime someone isn't thinking in lockstep with you. Jeeze.

You are describing an unrealistic outcome of very unlikely "big outbreak" in a neighboring country. We only border two countries and neither are at any kind of threat of a large outbreak. Both Canada and Mexico have the medical resources to handle any infected people that turn up in their countries, if any actually ever do. Again Mexico's average per capita income is 20 times that of Liberia. Canada income is 82 times that of Liberia. Mexico and Canada have plenty of resources to deal with any sick people that turn up in those countries.

The poorer countries of Central America are more than 1,000 miles from the United States, have had no infections, and have medical facilities much superior to the impacted countries in Africa. These countries are poor, but not at all to the level of these African countries. The threat of an outbreak in Central America is very low and if one did, the threat to the US still is basically nonexistent.

I'm actually surprised that none of the people that came into contact with the Dallas victim haven't come down ill, with his being refused the first time from the hospital and the amount of vomit and sweat he had in that little apartment for two more days it really made sense that someone would come down ill, but no one has. It made sense with the monitoring these people are under that the spread would end with them, but none of them have even gotten ill. It goes to show that this illness doesn't really spread that easily.

Even in Liberia, the most impacted country, the poorest country, only .1% of the population has gotten sick. One tenth of one percent is huge and awful, but even Liberia isn't "wiped out".

You are describing an unrealistic outcome of very unlikely "big outbreak" in a neighboring country. We only border two countries and neither are at any kind of threat of a large outbreak. Both Canada and Mexico have the medical resources to handle any infected people that turn up in their countries, if any actually ever do. Again Mexico's average per capita income is 20 times that of Liberia. Canada income is 82 times that of Liberia. Mexico and Canada have plenty of resources to deal with any sick people that turn up in those countries.

The poorer countries of Central America are more than 1,000 miles from the United States, have had no infections, and have medical facilities much superior to the impacted countries in Africa. These countries are poor, but not at all to the level of these African countries. The threat of an outbreak in Central America is very low and if one did, the threat to the US still is basically nonexistent.

I'm actually surprised that none of the people that came into contact with the Dallas victim haven't come down ill, with his being refused the first time from the hospital and the amount of vomit and sweat he had in that little apartment for two more days it really made sense that someone would come down ill, but no one has. It made sense with the monitoring these people are under that the spread would end with them, but none of them have even gotten ill. It goes to show that this illness doesn't really spread that easily.

Even in Liberia, the most impacted country, the poorest country, only .1% of the population has gotten sick. One tenth of one percent is huge and awful, but even Liberia isn't "wiped out".

Thank you for that dose of sanity.

The point you're running with and "debunking" with such smug authority was offered as a hypothetical to explain why it is appropriate to send aide to Africa to get the disease under control. Wondering if you even read the comment because it is now obvious you didn't understand it. It rather explains your over the top reaction and explains, at least in part, why you'd start spewing accusations of racism since you obviously didn't put it in context or think about what was written. Actually, there is no explanation for that last.

And on another front, sadly, a health care provider who cared for Patient 0 at the Dallas hospital has been preliminarily diagnosed with ebola. Presumably, they took precautions that are supposed to stop the spread but, at the risk of being labeled a hater and racist, people mess up. Or the disease is more stealthy/uncertain than thought. While still quarantined, the family members apparently remain symptom free. Hope all of them recover/never get sick.

If the preliminary diagnosis of Ebola turns out to be confirmed, the new patient will presumably receive aggressive treatment from the onset of symptoms, something unimaginable in West Africa. It will be interesting to see how he or she responds.

And we don't know at this time at what point this new patient came into contact with Mr. Duncan -- could've been the triage nurse who interviewed the patient on his first ER visit (when he was sent home); we already know how badly they dropped the ball that time. But Penny is correct; no matter how many precautions are taken, humans still make mistakes.

Treatment, other than experimental drugs, consists of supportive care. Beyond these rare experimental drugs (and the ones used to successfully treat the first two American survivors have been used up) there really isn't anything that constitutes "aggressive" treatment.

The second ebola victim is being reported as a female nurse who cared for Ebola 0 when he was admitted. She reportedly wore prescribed protective gear. Note, the two Americans who survived after being treated with the experimental vaccine/serum still do not know how they contracted the disease. The doctor has donated his blood to assist other victims who share his blood type. I agree with the other poster that people who have avoided contracting the disease after being significantly exposed should cooperate to see if there is something besides good luck involved.

My comment this morning was based on the very first reports I saw, which did not mention patient 2's gender or position.

And yes, supportive care is a large component of Ebola treatment, but even so, few if any victims in the current or previous outbreaks of Ebola Virus Disease in West/Central Africa have had access to such supportive care as they typically don't seek treatment until the disease is already well advanced and multi-organ failure has begun. I think patient 2 has a much better chance of recovery because she is beginning treatment while in the earliest stage of the disease, AND she's receiving treatment in a much better facility than the typical African missionary hospital.

My comment this morning was based on the very first reports I saw, which did not mention patient 2's gender or position.

And yes, supportive care is a large component of Ebola treatment, but even so, few if any victims in the current or previous outbreaks of Ebola Virus Disease in West/Central Africa have had access to such supportive care as they typically don't seek treatment until the disease is already well advanced and multi-organ failure has begun. I think patient 2 has a much better chance of recovery because she is beginning treatment while in the earliest stage of the disease, AND she's receiving treatment in a much better facility than the typical African missionary hospital.

As I understand it, the family asked the hospital for "complete privacy" and the hospital complied even going so far as to deliberately not reveal the gender. Since then, news organizations did some digging and have been reporting more details.

As I understand it, the family asked the hospital for "complete privacy" and the hospital complied even going so far as to deliberately not reveal the gender. Since then, news organizations did some digging and have been reporting more details.

And this morning there are reports that patient 2 graduated from TCU in 2010. My guess is the DFW media already have her name but have withheld it at the hospital's/family's request, but it won't be long before someone (TMZ, Daily Mail, Sun, etc.) publishes it.

And this morning there are reports that patient 2 graduated from TCU in 2010. My guess is the DFW media already have her name but have withheld it at the hospital's/family's request, but it won't be long before someone (TMZ, Daily Mail, Sun, etc.) publishes it.
Are the calling her patient 2? The reason I ask is that I have seen the first patient referred to as Patient 0.

Are the calling her patient 2? The reason I ask is that I have seen the first patient referred to as Patient 0.

They lost Patient 1. Have no clue where they disappeared to. Like a dirty bomb in a random shipping container...

Kinda like Microsoft going from Windows 8 to Windows 10 :D

Kinda like Microsoft going from Windows 8 to Windows 10 :D

There's actually a good reason for that, not sure if you know, but I'll put it out here anyway in case others are interested. Tons of legacy code out there that checks for a windows version of "Windows 9", intending to check for 95 and 98, and M$ can't fix all that since who knows how much is out there by who knows how many vendors, so they said screw it, skip 9.

Some families affected by Ebola in Liberia pay bribes to keep the bodies (http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-families-bodies-bribes-153423993.html)

A second health care worker has been admitted at the Dallas hospital with Ebola. She apparently lives alone in an apartment with no pets so at least there are perhaps fewer close contacts. The descriptions of the lack of appropriate protocols (patient out in the open for hours, failure to use proper safety equipment, contaminated waste piled "to the ceiling" because they didn't know what to do with it, the health providers continued to treat other patients, contaminated samples were placed in the hospital pnumatic (sic?) system, etc.), will break your heart. It is incredible how horribly this was handled, beginning with sending a feverous man out into the community and all the quarantine and decontamination decisions flowing from that. I honestly can't imagine or understand many of the decisions made. Did these medical providers not read the Hot Zone or keep up with news from Africa? It isn't like this wasn't something on the news every night before Mr. Duncan showed up. I mean, we saw this coming and were getting constant reassurances that the hospitals knew how to handle it. Tragic.

There's actually a good reason for that, not sure if you know, but I'll put it out here anyway in case others are interested. Tons of legacy code out there that checks for a windows version of "Windows 9", intending to check for 95 and 98, and M$ can't fix all that since who knows how much is out there by who knows how many vendors, so they said screw it, skip 9.

I won't derail this thread by going into specifics on it here, but this just is not accurate.

Health worker flew day before Ebola symptoms - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?c=homepage-t)

I think everyone who had any contact with Thomas Eric Duncan while he was sick needs to be quarantined before this gets out of control. That seems like extreme measures but that could save thousands of American lives. In addition, I think all entry to the US from West Africa needs to be banned for the time being.

A second health care worker has been admitted at the Dallas hospital with Ebola. She apparently lives alone in an apartment with no pets so at least there are perhaps fewer close contacts. The descriptions of the lack of appropriate protocols (patient out in the open for hours, failure to use proper safety equipment, contaminated waste piled "to the ceiling" because they didn't know what to do with it, the health providers continued to treat other patients, contaminated samples were placed in the hospital pnumatic (sic?) system, etc.), will break your heart. It is incredible how horribly this was handled, beginning with sending a feverous man out into the community and all the quarantine and decontamination decisions flowing from that. I honestly can't imagine or understand many of the decisions made. Did these medical providers not read the Hot Zone or keep up with news from Africa? It isn't like this wasn't something on the news every night before Mr. Duncan showed up. I mean, we saw this coming and were getting constant reassurances that the hospitals knew how to handle it. Tragic.
Live alone in apartment with no pets, HOWEVER was on a plane on monday the day before she reported a fever to the hospital. now CDC wants to talk to the other people on that frontier Flight #1143 from Cleveland to DFW.