Heard they cancelled because of a "band member illness", but found out the real reason - the trucks pulled up to the Zoo Amp, saw how much of a muddy slop it was, said "we can't unload and load back up in these conditions, we're done", so it was cancelled. Just wanted to get the info out there so people would be aware of what went on rather than their BS they gave...

Heard they cancelled because of a "band member illness", but found out the real reason - the trucks pulled up to the Zoo Amp, saw how much of a muddy slop it was, said "we can't unload and load back up in these conditions, we're done", so it was cancelled. Just wanted to get the info out there so people would be aware of what went on rather than their BS they gave...

How sure is your source? it looks like there is decently thick gravel lot all the way to a concrete loading dock at the Zoo Amp.

I know some of the people behind the concert, and they assured me that the cancellation was truly due to an illness.

Doubt it. It was the only show scrubbed due to the "illness", ditto the Rascall Flats show at the Downtown Airpark cancelled due to a "illness." Illness is code for didn't sell enough tickets ahead of time and the promoter didn't want to take a bath. Haver a hunch the OKCcountryfest cannibalizing what little demand there is for live music in central Ok played a factor. There is a live music blight in central Ok. It's sad to look around the state and see all the good shows happening in Thackerville, Dooorant, Tulsa,Catoosa, Newkirk and we have The Oak Ridge Boys appearing at Riverwind. sigh

It did seem highly suspicious to me that those two concerts were cancelled back to back due to illnesses.

I have no idea how many tickets were sold for WN and AKUS at the ZooAmp. Wwhile it may be just a faulty memory, I can't recall seeing another show this year or last that showed up so many times on Groupon and Living Social for discount tickets. Do not know if that signaled low demand or just a desire to try and pack the GA lawn.

It did seem highly suspicious to me that those two concerts were cancelled back to back due to illnesses.

There must be a bug going around :)

How sure is your source? it looks like there is decently thick gravel lot all the way to a concrete loading dock at the Zoo Amp.

My source heard it from a guy on the local roadie crew, who was told that by Willie's roadie crew when they got to the Zoo Amp. Kind of makes sense because the rain we did have recently was massive, but still... Make it concrete all the way up, seriously, just do it right...

From what I was told, sales for the Willie Nelson concert were not bad. The artist gets a guarantee, and many of the contracts require payment in full if the exhibitor cancels the performance. There would have been no incentive on the promoter's part to cancel that concert. Even if ticket sales didn't cover the guarantee, F&B sales would have made up for the shortfall.

I don't have any contacts with the folks at the river venue, so I have no idea what the story was behind that concert.

Anyway you slice it, the 2 venues need to avoid having concerts on the same night. All it does is hurt the local live music market. I know there is some bad blood between the 2 operators, but the local music fans shouldn't have to be in the crossfire.

I'd would have gone just to see Alison Krauss.

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Anyway you slice it, the 2 venues need to avoid having concerts on the same night. All it does is hurt the local live music market. I know there is some bad blood between the 2 operators, but the local music fans shouldn't have to be in the crossfire.

Yes, agreed! We were supposed to go to the Jeff Beck/ZZ Top show with someone, but after he got his ticket, the Offspring show was booked at the Airpark, and since he had seen ZZ Top, he's going to the Offspring show...

I'd would have gone just to see Alison Krauss.

Had planned to attend but my lovely's schedule didn't fit with a wed. event. Didn't want to go with anyone else. Perhaps it will be rescheduled, and hopefully for a weekend night. Between her singing and her cake decor teaching, not many week nights are open these days.

I guess until then we will have to make due with youtube vids.

I'd would have gone just to see Alison Krauss.

And Dan "The Man of Constant Sorrow" T. plus Jerry "Mr. Dobro" Douglas. =)

Willie "Meh" Nelson . . . not so much. (just kidding).

From what I was told, sales for the Willie Nelson concert were not bad. The artist gets a guarantee, and many of the contracts require payment in full if the exhibitor cancels the performance. There would have been no incentive on the promoter's part to cancel that concert. Even if ticket sales didn't cover the guarantee, F&B sales would have made up for the shortfall.

I don't have any contacts with the folks at the river venue, so I have no idea what the story was behind that concert.

Anyway you slice it, the 2 venues need to avoid having concerts on the same night. All it does is hurt the local live music market. I know there is some bad blood between the 2 operators, but the local music fans shouldn't have to be in the crossfire.

Problem is promoters are at the mercy of a bands touring schedule, but a little collusion would be a good idea. And Mick needs to rethink the OKCfest if this is what it's going to do to the people trying to make a living promoting live music in a tough market. They may throw up their hands and give up.

Problem is promoters are at the mercy of a bands touring schedule, but a little collusion would be a good idea. And Mick needs to rethink the OKCfest if this is what it's going to do to the people trying to make a living promoting live music in a tough market. They may throw up their hands and give up.

So, by your own logic, the people who put on Rocklahoma need to rethink it as well because what is it going to do to the people trying to make a living out of promoting music in Tulsa?

OKC can support both, it will just take a little while to see that there are multiple venues and multiple genres of music. The DT Airpark and Zoo both have similar types of shows going on and most of them do well. Usually when a concert is cancelled due to lack of tickets sales, that is the reason they cancel it, they don't change it to a band sickness.

The Rockstar Energy Mayhem Festival with Avenged Sevenfold, Korn and others is happening on 8/7/2014. Should the Chameleon Room rethink booking Soulfly five days later because of that show?

The Summer Nationals Tour with The Offspring, Bad Religion and Pennywise is happening on 8/22/2014 at the DT Airpark, the same night as ZZ Top and Jeff Beck at the Zoo, then Faster *****cat at the Chameleon Room and Panic! At the Disco at the Zoo the next night. OKC has so many great venues for seeing live shows and it is obvious by the amount of bookings you can see. I think we need a couple of more smaller venues like what they have in Austin but with the Zoo and DT Airpark, we have two great outdoor venues. We will have the Chevy BT Event Center for the mid-size venue and then Chameleon Room, Diamond and the Conservatory for the smaller venues.

So, by your own logic, the people who put on Rocklahoma need to rethink it as well because what is it going to do to the people trying to make a living out of promoting music in Tulsa?

OKC can support both, it will just take a little while to see that there are multiple venues and multiple genres of music. The DT Airpark and Zoo both have similar types of shows going on and most of them do well. Usually when a concert is cancelled due to lack of tickets sales, that is the reason they cancel it, they don't change it to a band sickness.

The Rockstar Energy Mayhem Festival with Avenged Sevenfold, Korn and others is happening on 8/7/2014. Should the Chameleon Room rethink booking Soulfly five days later because of that show?

The Summer Nationals Tour with The Offspring, Bad Religion and Pennywise is happening on 8/22/2014 at the DT Airpark, the same night as ZZ Top and Jeff Beck at the Zoo, then Faster *****cat at the Chameleon Room and Panic! At the Disco at the Zoo the next night. OKC has so many great venues for seeing live shows and it is obvious by the amount of bookings you can see. I think we need a couple of more smaller venues like what they have in Austin but with the Zoo and DT Airpark, we have two great outdoor venues. We will have the Chevy BT Event Center for the mid-size venue and then Chameleon Room, Diamond and the Conservatory for the smaller venues.

Tulsa has an excellent music scene, it's central Ok that is the tough market so yes they'd be well advised not to book competing shows as we saw with the back to back days cancellations. It's market realities. The only cool venue OKC has is the Zoo and they ran off Innervisions for some reason. The farmers Market could have been but no one came out for the shows. The one genre that is money in central Ok is country/red dirt, and OKCfest totally cannabalized the demand.

Maybe they should name it Juntafest next year, huh Edgar...

the music conversation on here just goes all over the place.. from we don't get enough shows to don't book competing shows because we cant handle it. People who love live music ( as I do ) don't mind back to back shows or a big full calendar. I myself go to several shows a month at least and they are usually out of state. so if more acts I wanted to see where here in my City and I didn't have to travel I would see even more!.. bring on the bookings

I travel out of state and in state for live music also. Be nice to have more options locally but it's the hand we're dealt. Riverwind started out with a bang but now only book sure bets. oh well, nice to see other places.

I travel out of state and in state for live music also. Be nice to have more options locally but it's the hand we're dealt. Riverwind started out with a bang but now only book sure bets. oh well, nice to see other places.

What kind of music do you listen to? What are five of your favorite bands? Maybe we can help you out.

Maybe they should name it Juntafest next year, huh Edgar...

More aggressive branding would not hurt

more accurate branding would not hurt

fify. :tongue:

What kind of music do you listen to? What are five of your favorite bands? Maybe we can help you out.
Not enough people would show up for some of my favorite live bands- Gov't Mule, widespread Panic, Little Feat, Black Crowes, others, unless you do some creative booking like some of the shows Innervisons put on at the Zoo like a Red Dirt family jam with the Black Crowes headlining. Love the blues but that's really a hard sell in Central Ok. Went to Grady's Rt66 pub in Yukon to hear Jimmy Thackery. There weren't 25 paying customer includeing me- embarrassing. Jimmy totally shredded as always, but they couldn't wait to pack up and get the hell out of town.
Jimmy Thackery - New Morning Club, Paris 1997 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKtP-_ZzxYA)
Thankfully there are many more options in Ok with the casinos hosting shows.

Went to see Willie the last time he played the Zoo. We left after the first song. The drunks behind us were almost tolerable until several decided it was okay to smoke cigars.

Saw Allison Krauss with Robert Plant at the Zoo. We had better seats and a better crowd. It was good one.

Saw Alison Krauss and Union Station at the Ford Center. Great seats. Left way early after we gave up on the people directly behind us having a continuous conversation shouted at each other, in other words, at the back of our heads louder than the music, non-stop.

Locally it's about a 50/50 crapshoot, too many hicks half the time.

Went to see Willie the last time he played the Zoo. We left after the first song. The drunks behind us were almost tolerable until several decided it was okay to smoke cigars.

Saw Allison Krauss with Robert Plant at the Zoo. We had better seats and a better crowd. It was good one.

Saw Alison Krauss and Union Station at the Ford Center. Great seats. Left way early after we gave up on the people directly behind us having a continuous conversation shouted at each other, in other words, at the back of our heads louder than the music, non-stop.

Locally it's about a 50/50 crapshoot, too many hicks half the time.

SHOOT nobody is going to steal my sunshine!.. I do not leave shows early EVER!. and I am not above Shushing someone or giving them a dirty look until they get the picture.

SHOOT nobody is going to steal my sunshine!.. I do not leave shows early EVER!. and I am not above Shushing someone or giving them a dirty look until they get the picture.

They were clueless, and or didn't care. I'm too old to go to jail for fighting.

Went to see Willie the last time he played the Zoo. We left after the first song. The drunks behind us were almost tolerable until several decided it was okay to smoke cigars.


sorry :(

sorry :(

So you're one of those guys!

Cigars, eh, it's an outdoor show. Ease up. totally can't understand the idiots who go to a concert and shout a conversation over the music. shussing is most definitely in order. Sometimes they'll leave.

Cigars, eh, it's an outdoor show. Ease up. totally can't understand the idiots who go to a concert and shout a conversation over the music. shussing is most definitely in order. Sometimes they'll leave.

We did. Eased right up, packed up our stuff and went home, so as not to spoil the drunken, obnoxious and stinky fun being had behind us. Yeah, it's an outdoor show but people get pretty packed in there. Summertime the wind doesn't always move around so much in the evening to take it away either. Anyone lighting up a cigar at a place like that is just an ass.

We did. Eased right up, packed up our stuff and went home, so as not to spoil the drunken, obnoxious and stinky fun being had behind us. Yeah, it's an outdoor show but people get pretty packed in there. Summertime the wind doesn't always move around so much in the evening to take it away either. Anyone lighting up a cigar at a place like that is just an ass.

Are you sure it was a cigar?.. I mean it was a Willie SHow

Are you sure it was a cigar?.. I mean it was a Willie SHow

There was plenty of smoke in the air. No question these were cigars. I just gave those as examples since they involved the two artists being talked about. I've been to other concerts there and at the Ford/Peake that were good, Steve Miller Band, Joe Cocker, Lyle Lovett and KD Lang, The Who, Lady Gaga, etc. And I've been to others where the hicks won. Like I said, it's about 50/50 in recent history. I don't think my wife will ever go back to either of those places for a music event but I have been several times without her. She will go to the civic center still.

In retrospect, it is nearly a miracle that the planned concert didn't take place. This could have been a human tragedy approaching the depths of Jethro Tull at Red Rocks or The Kid Left In the Car in the Anonymous Parking Lot Where it Was Hot Somewhere in the General Vicinity of Austin or Luchenback or Clear Lake or wherever. Thank goodness for random band illnesses. That's what I say.

I know, it's not like Steely Dan, Michael Buble, James Taylor, Motley Crue, Five Finger Death Punch, Volbeat, Justin Timberlake, Korn, Avenged Sevenfold, Offspring, Bad Religion, Chicago, REO Speedwagon, or other such performers would ever come play in central Oklahoma, because the music scene is so terrible...

Wouldn't say it's terrible for all genres, and it does look like the Chesapeake is trying to step up it's game thankfully. Hate the venue but oh well. If Riverwind would just get in the game like the other casinos in the state that would be the perfect midsize room. I went to a Black Crowes show there and it was maybe 2/3's full. No one in the balcony. Seen them at venues in and around Tulsa and it's always sro. We're not in the desert musically but we don't support it like other places and have a greater variety of options. So get off your ass and get to a show.

Are you sure it was a cigar?.. I mean it was a Willie SHow

Willie has a strict smoke them if you got them policy

Wouldn't say it's terrible for all genres, and it does look like the Chesapeake is trying to step up it's game thankfully. Hate the venue but oh well. If Riverwind would just get in the game like the other casinos in the state that would be the perfect midsize room. I went to a Black Crowes show there and it was maybe 2/3's full. No one in the balcony. Seen them at venues in and around Tulsa and it's always sro. We're not in the desert musically but we don't support it like other places and have a greater variety of options. So get off your ass and get to a show.

This is one of the rare times I'll agree with you. The scene is there, folks just need to go. Not only to the major venues, but also places like The Conservatory, Wormy Dog Saloon,Oklahoma City Limits, Voodoo Lounge, Dan McGuinness, Majors, The Blue Door, VZDs, and such. There's live music options every night in OKC, in multiple genres.

...Saw Allison Krauss with Robert Plant at the Zoo. We had better seats and a better crowd. It was good one...

Saw the same show. It was on my birthday. My best friend had a hookup with the old regime, so we sat basically front row in the roped-off section. Good time, GREAT show.

That said, it wasn't so great that I didn't leave early to go see Neko Case at the Diamond. That was a good night.

Saw the same show. It was on my birthday. My best friend had a hookup with the old regime, so we sat basically front row in the roped-off section. Good time, GREAT show.

That said, it wasn't so great that I didn't leave early to go see Neko Case at the Diamond. That was a good night.

We probably were sitting next to each other. I get the VIP seats whenever I can.

Interesting

Not enough people would show up for some of my favorite live bands- Gov't Mule, widespread Panic, Little Feat, Black Crowes, others, unless you do some creative booking like some of the shows Innervisons put on at the Zoo like a Red Dirt family jam with the Black Crowes headlining. Love the blues but that's really a hard sell in Central Ok. Went to Grady's Rt66 pub in Yukon to hear Jimmy Thackery. There weren't 25 paying customer includeing me- embarrassing. Jimmy totally shredded as always, but they couldn't wait to pack up and get the hell out of town.
Jimmy Thackery - New Morning Club, Paris 1997 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKtP-_ZzxYA)
Thankfully there are many more options in Ok with the casinos hosting shows.

Looks like Gov't Mule is playing at the Diamond Ballroom on 10/1. Thought you should know. Oh and they aren't going to play in Tulsa or anywhere in Texas on this leg of the tour either so it should be a good crowd if they have as good of a following as I think they do.

Looks like Gov't Mule is playing at the Diamond Ballroom on 10/1. Thought you should know. Oh and they aren't going to play in Tulsa or anywhere in Texas on this leg of the tour either so it should be a good crowd if they have as good of a following as I think they do.

Wouldn't mind seeing them again. Did see them on the Horde Tour at All Sports Stadium in '98.

Looks like Gov't Mule is playing at the Diamond Ballroom on 10/1. Thought you should know. Oh and they aren't going to play in Tulsa or anywhere in Texas on this leg of the tour either so it should be a good crowd if they have as good of a following as I think they do.
I'll be there. They're hitting places they haven't been to in awhile in the fall. Hopefully people will come out. Hard driving live band, one of the best drummers around and fronted by the guy who has also fronted the Allman Brothers for the last 25 years.

Wouldn't mind seeing them again. Did see them on the Horde Tour at All Sports Stadium in '98.

Horde Fest was a good show.

Willie has a strict smoke them if you got them policy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQANmQO2g0

I'll be there. They're hitting places they haven't been to in awhile in the fall. Hopefully people will come out. Hard driving live band, one of the best drummers around and fronted by the guy who has also fronted the Allman Brothers for the last 25 years.

Love me some Gov't Mule. Will definitely be there. High quality show for OKC.

Gov't Mule kicking at the Diamond Ballroom this evening. They give it their all live.