Just really really glad to see housing here. It's really one of the very best spots for housing and will truly be able to command top dollar. You're close to the Myriad Gardens, CHK Arena, several very high quality businesses, the street car, an Elementary, and the MAPS 3 Park.

There is not a better spot in the city except for the eventual Cox site.

I have no doubt that if they sell off a penthouse, it will bring absurd money, especially the tower of Sheridan because the view you will have from that top floor is going to be absolutely breathtaking.

Hey KaneMo,

Any possible way you can do some professional pictures for us ? Thanks

I'll have some SketchUp images up in a bit!

Yep

Having skyscrapers doesn't bring free agents.

Let's please stay on subject. Thanks.

Yes we do...he was the whipping boy.

Best comeback I've seen on this site!

Hard to believe here we are just 20 years after the city took a big bet on a tax increase to fix up downtown.

Greatest city tax investment to return ever?

Just stunning.

Steve's article says $530 million total cost.

Woooooah

Hard to believe here we are just 20 years after the city took a big bet on a tax increase to fix up downtown.

Greatest city tax investment to return ever?

Just stunning.

That may be even more of an understatement 50 years from now.

Here's a neat observation, via Short Order Poems on Twitter (https://twitter.com/ShortOrderPoems/status/519203745532760064):



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/stagenew3.jpg

It's not a perfect match, but I can definitely see some similarities in the step-backs at the top.

This is not accidental. This was my first thought when I saw it on twitter earlier today.

IMHO, they look a lot more like First National than the Biltmore.

SketchUp images:
http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/9249d1412638117-south-stage-center-okc-1.jpg
http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/9250d1412638118-south-stage-center-okc-2.jpg
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http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/9253d1412638120-south-stage-center-okc-5.jpg

Thanks!

That's great KayneMo ! Excellent - You are the Man !

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Good blend of the old & the (proposed) new.

Let's hope this is the eventual outcome.

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Very, very nice. I applaud Clayco.

steve suggested an urban hobby lobby which i think would be interesting.

noooooooooo!

IMHO, they look a lot more like First National than the Biltmore.

FNC is pitched

Honestly reminds me more of Hotel Black or Ramsey Tower (City Place) or the Rockefeller Center buildings I previously mentioned, or really a myriad of buildings from the 30s or so, from all over the country. Not seeing that many direct architectural connections between these buildings and FNC or Biltmore; only casual connections thanks to the more obvious homage to the period itself.

4th & E.K. Gaylord?


Comment From Andrew
What do you think of Milhaus trying to found another spot for their tower?

Steve Lackmeyer: I think you'll be interested in reading my OKC Central column tomorrow!

I agree, the office towers remind me of the Biltmore more than FNC. Nevertheless, the new office towers are very Art Deco in style... Neo-Art Deco?

Teaser...



Comment From Tim
Is this the development that would make other cities jealous?



Steve Lackmeyer: Nope. So now this must REALLY drive you nuts.

Since the Populous images came out, I've suspected ClayCo might present a plan for four towers. But honestly I can say I'm blown away by how good these look. I am very impressed.

I agree, the office towers remind me of the Biltmore more than FNC. Nevertheless, the new office towers are very Art Deco in style... Neo-Art Deco?

It does feel like a revival of the WPA type of Art Deco, less ornate than the Chrysler Building, for example. Typical of Robert Stern.

I think this is a win for context, as the design emulates OKC's historic skyline while distinguishing its age. Art Deco will become even more dominant on our skyline.

Clayco did show just a couple of renderings with a possible hotel, but it was not featured prominently (it's the shortest building shown here):



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/stagenew18.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/stagenew19.jpg

And to think OKC's skyline is changing thanks to those evil greedy corporate one percenters :tongue:

A doubletree or W would be a nice hotel of that size

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Link to transcript? I can't find it.

It's not up yet.

Honestly reminds me more of Hotel Black or Ramsey Tower (City Place) or the Rockefeller Center buildings I previously mentioned, or really a myriad of buildings from the 30s or so, from all over the country. Not seeing that many direct architectural connections between these buildings and FNC or Biltmore; only casual connections thanks to the more obvious homage to the period itself.

I see a dash of the Colcord in them.

I certainly love the 4 tower proposal, renderings and all. It's such a classical, but modern design that will be an amazing addition to the city.

My question is what are the odds between the two proposals getting approved? Just asking because I'd certainly hate for the clearly less desirable one to be approved over the Clayco proposal, because some in the city could say "this is too dense and would bring too much traffic to downtown".

I certainly love the 4 tower proposal, renderings and all. It's such a classical, but modern design that will be an amazing addition to the city.

My question is what are the odds between the two proposals getting approved? Just asking because I'd certainly hate for the clearly less desirable one to be approved over the Clayco proposal, because some in the city could say "this is too dense and would bring too much traffic to downtown".

Milhaus will not be approved. Clayco is doing the SC site, and the proposal is the perfect match. Nothing to worry about here. The city would rather have a $280 million development over a meager $80 million development. There is no traffic downtown, even when these are completed. Clayco already has a pending contract to buy Dunn's law office.

I certainly love the 4 tower proposal, renderings and all. It's such a classical, but modern design that will be an amazing addition to the city.

My question is what are the odds between the two proposals getting approved? Just asking because I'd certainly hate for the clearly less desirable one to be approved over the Clayco proposal, because some in the city could say "this is too dense and would bring too much traffic to downtown".

Steve said in his chat that it would be hard to beat the Clayco proposal.

First off let me say I am very pleased with these projects. I think OKC is blessed to be getting these and for that I'm thankful. I can't help but wish we could get 8-10 more stories in at least a couple of these buildings. It wouldn't be a stretch and with the proper dressings on the top of the building, it would really make more of an impact on our skyline and balance it out so much more. I think if the demand is there, could it be possible to have a couple of 550-600 foot towers which would dramatically impact our skyline so much more. Keep in mind, I am not unhappy, just stating how amazing it would be if a couple had more of an impact.

Would you all happier with these 4 mid/high rises or 2-3 high rises in the range of 550-600 foot range? Personally, I would prefer the latter. Regardless, a very big day for OKC and I hope more to come.

I certainly love the 4 tower proposal, renderings and all. It's such a classical, but modern design that will be an amazing addition to the city.

My question is what are the odds between the two proposals getting approved? Just asking because I'd certainly hate for the clearly less desirable one to be approved over the Clayco proposal, because some in the city could say "this is too dense and would bring too much traffic to downtown".

Let's not forget the possible hotel in the mix.

I agree with you. The Clayco proposal appears to be the best design. This is where the investors step up to the plate. Our track record looks good with what has been developed recently.

The future demand appears to exceed the current supply.

Our city could be on the verge of a building boom!

Well, I'll be honest here, I would have liked to have had the two residential combined for a 50 story tower, but I'm still thrilled with this development. We can't forget we have the Lumber Yard tower ;) Seriously though, I'm hoping Continental's tower will be a very tall skyscraper and I'm hoping the Preftakes Block ends up being over 30 stories.

I am in love with this and very excited to see it here!

In regards with the other office tower, Steve kind of hinted that a possibility of a bank as an anchor tenant.....

In regards with the other office tower, Steve kind of hinted that a possibility of a bank as an anchor tenant.....

Bank of Oklahoma.

That has been discussed for months.

Bank of Oklahoma.

That has been discussed for months.

Nope, I should have been a little bit more clear, but he was talking about the office on the South of Stage Center site. The Bank of Oklahoma was also discussed along with Devon in the Main and Hudson site.

Panda, I agree. Why not something like a 35 and 20 foot residential towers? This would give us about a 560 foot tower and 300 footer, which would be oh so nice.

Nope, he was talking about the office on the South of Stage Center site. The Bank of Oklahoma was also discussed along with Devon in the Main and Hudson site.

Hmmm, one of us misunderstood what he said.

Are we seriously still hung up on building height? There is a very strong possibility we will have four (FOUR!!!!) new towers going up at the same time (plus any activity at Main & Hudson/Convention Hotel/BoA site). Sometimes we should be happy that we are looking at quality development.

Hmmm, one of us misunderstood what he said.

I've looked for the chat, but can't find it, but I remember him saying something about a business where someone would walk in and commerce would occur. So I took this as being a bank ?

Are we seriously still hung up on building height? There is a very strong possibility we will have four (FOUR!!!!) new towers going up at the same time (plus any activity at Main & Hudson/Convention Hotel/BoA site). Sometimes we should be happy that we are looking at quality development.

Not even mentioning the fact they are BEAUTIFUL buildings that look modern but also fit right into OKC's style. Devon is beautiful but it is a glass box. Which is great but we don't need anymore. The design Clayco put forward has a classic look to it that looks amazing. This is an absolute home run.

I've looked for the chat, but can't find it, but I remember him saying something about a business where someone would walk in and commerce would occur. So I took this as being a bank ?

Oh, I know what you mean now -- sorry we were talking about two different things.

He put "vistor" and "commerce" in quotes and I'm sure he meant the OKC Chamber of Commerce and Convention and Visitors Bureau. And that was in regards to who may take the additional office space in the OG&E Tower.

He also talked about a local bank for the Main & Hudson building that certain meant BOK.

I would have preferred a bit taller, but numerous smaller towers will really help balance the skyline. OKC's skyline looks good from the northeast even though Devon is taller than anything else. This will really help the skyline from the west and southwest, where currently Devon overshadows everything to the point it just doesn't look attractive.

where currently Devon overshadows everything to the point it just doesn't look attractive.

Here we go...

This appears to be a truly world-class development. So much better than the initial renderings we saw last year that it doesn't really compare. These will be a fantastic addition to our skyline, and to the city streets.

No, they're not 40 or 50 story towers, but they'll balance our skyline well, they'll definitely help define the space of the Myriad Gardens, and they're nice classic architecture and will blend well with what already exists in the city. In addition, with the Preftakes tower coming soon directly across the street, and a possible convention hotel, this will be up to 6 new towers all at the same time. There are plenty of spaces for Milhaus to still put in a 20 story residential tower if they wish. There's still the possibility of Continental Resources building something as well.

If these are successful, this could accelerate downtown development faster than I ever thought possible.

This is a little off topic but this is Steve's update on the affects of this to the Festival of the Arts.

Growth in downtown Oklahoma City may force venue change for Festival of the Arts | News OK (http://newsok.com/growth-in-downtown-oklahoma-city-may-force-venue-change-for-festival-of-the-arts/article/5349213)



The annual Festival of the Arts could end up back at its original home in Bicentennial Park as construction is likely to begin next year where the festival’s artists tents and food court have set up for the past quarter century.

Peter Dolese, director of the Arts Council of Oklahoma City, confirmed Bicentennial Park is an option. The park, which was rebuilt as part of Project 180, was home to the festival from its inception in 1967 until it moved to its current home in 1989.

But Dolese hopes to keep the festival at the Myriad Gardens.

Steve's complete chat transcript is up.

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And another very interesting comment.


Comment From Andrew
What do you think of Milhaus trying to found another spot for their tower?
7:06

Steve Lackmeyer:
I think you’ll be interested in reading my OKC Central column tomorrow!
7:06

Steve's complete chat transcript is up.

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And another very interesting comment.

Hey. That's me. :)

This is a little off topic but this is Steve's update on the affects of this to the Festival of the Arts.

Growth in downtown Oklahoma City may force venue change for Festival of the Arts | News OK (http://newsok.com/growth-in-downtown-oklahoma-city-may-force-venue-change-for-festival-of-the-arts/article/5349213)

NOOOOOOOO…..The Arts Festival is going to have to happen in the Arts District?! This is AWFUL news.

Not even mentioning the fact they are BEAUTIFUL buildings that look modern but also fit right into OKC's style. Devon is beautiful but it is a glass box. Which is great but we don't need anymore. The design Clayco put forward has a classic look to it that looks amazing. This is an absolute home run.

I agree. This is a wonderful design. Modern and classic. Something we really need to balance out so much of the glass bull****.

NOOOOOOOO…..The Arts Festival is going to have to happen in the Arts District?! This is AWFUL news.

Development pains with growth:

As with all developments there will always be some adjustments that will have to be made in the interim.

Development congestion with construction, cranes & related sundry activities will become problematic for the Festival of the Arts. Why not a temporary trial move to Fair Park?

So did Robert Stern design the Clayco buildings? It looks liks his style.

So did Robert Stern design the Clayco buildings? It looks liks his style.

Yes, I believe so.

Development pains with growth:

As with all developments there will always be some adjustments that will have to be made in the interim.

Development congestion with construction, cranes & related sundry activities will become problematic for the Festival of the Arts. Why not a temporary trial move to Fair Park?

Fair park, where there will also be construction underway for the new expo center? that doesn't seem like a good fit.
a temporary move is not big deal to me. I imagine it will eventually find its home in the new central park once that is complete but bicentenial park isn't a bad fit. could create some great Traffic for the arts museum.

Im really hoping the 4 tower design gets the clear. And something to keep in mind, 25 floors in a tower isn't as short as 25 floors used to be. With the higher ceiling heights people enjoy these days, just count up 25 floors of Devon (so half way) and you'll see what these will be. And that's nothing to sneeze at...and 4 of them!!!! WOOO!

Im really hoping the 4 tower design gets the clear. And something to keep in mind, 25 floors in a tower isn't as short as 25 floors used to be. With the higher ceiling heights people enjoy these days, just count up 25 floors of Devon (so half way) and you'll see what these will be. And that's nothing to sneeze at...and 4 of them!!!! WOOO!

Pete has the building plan heights. Around 400 feet for the 26 story towers.

If Milhaus has to find another spot for their development, is it still definite that it will be residential and not office?