Whatever happened to that petition that was supposed to filed this year regarding modernized liquor laws?

Is it really that hard to buy your alcohol the day before? Or two days before. Or a week before?

Question: Are liquor stores mandated to be open all legal hours or do the owners have the leeway to open later/close earlier?

Is it really that hard to buy your alcohol the day before? Or two days before. Or a week before?

If I'm going to consume it on the 4th of July, or any Sunday anyway. Why do I have to buy it before?

What if I run out during my event, and need to send someone who is sober to go retrieve more Devil's Nectar from the Devil's Liquor cabinet?

Is it really that hard to buy your alcohol the day before? Or two days before. Or a week before?No offense, but it's exactly that sort of thinking that hinders progress.

To answer your question, it is no. The same could be said for cigarettes, or really any other food item. Is it really that hard to buy anything the day before or after? The answer is no. The freedom is priceless.

As a former OK Cityan, OKC has made some great strides as far as improving the overall quality of life with new attractions, along with making it a more liveable city. The biggest gripe I have is how poor the roads are in OKC. They really need to pave the roads with concrete because in the long term, it last way longer than asphalt. Too much trash blowing around because of OKC incessant winds. The city needs to plant more trees and landscaping. "Spruce" up your city! Too many dilapidated buildings and run down areas. OKC is slowly cleaning up, however, it still needs to step up to the plate. OKC has the potential to become a great place to live, however, it's residents have the final say in how and what type of OKC will become in the future??

If I'm going to consume it on the 4th of July, or any Sunday anyway. Why do I have to buy it before?

What if I run out during my event, and need to send someone who is sober to go retrieve more Devil's Nectar from the Devil's Liquor cabinet?


No offense, but it's exactly that sort of thinking that hinders progress.

To answer your question, it is no. The same could be said for cigarettes, or really any other food item. Is it really that hard to buy anything the day before or after? The answer is no. The freedom is priceless.

Well sometimes I want breakfast at McDonalds after 10:30. Or Chic-fil-a on a Sunday. But you know what? I can't buy it. So you can't buy products at a liquor store on a Sunday or Holiday? Deal with it. I'd hardly call being able to do that progress. It's really unbelievable what some people fret about.

Well sometimes I want breakfast at McDonalds after 10:30. Or Chic-fil-a on a Sunday. But you know what? I can't buy it. So you can't buy products at a liquor store on a Sunday or Holiday? Deal with it. I'd hardly call being able to do that progress. It's really unbelievable what some people fret about.Well, you have your thinking and I have mine. I'd rather advocate for change rather that just accepting it.

The retail liquor store owners' lobby does not want it, and there are package store owners in a large number of legislative districts, if not all. They prefer the time-off.

Have you heard that 2nd hand, or did actual liquor store owners, managers or clerks told you that?

Nothing wrong with those things but I too have noticed how so many people here consider intellectual topics as being "snooty" or "elitist."

That statement astonishes me. I have lived in the OKC area all of my life (and I'm much older than you are) and I've never noticed people who considered intellectual topics as being "snooty" or "elitist". Granted not everyone is interested in that kind of discussion but I don't see anyone judging those who are.

I hear all of these complaints about the political climate in this state but there was a blurb on the radio the other day that said that there were more registered Democrats in this state than Republican's. Why is it that the conservatives dominate our legislature if this is true? With government workers supposedly dominating our economy, wouldn't these people be compelled to vote for the big governments candidates? I see all of this gnashing of teeth digitally, but see nothing publicly of anyone trying to change it? I think a lot of it has to do with gerrymandering and the Democrats don't realize they are the majority, so they don't bother voting. We feel like we have to be in hiding being around a lot of vocal conservatives. I feel the same way with atheists. There are a lot of them in Oklahoma but they are in the closet.

That statement astonishes me. I have lived in the OKC area all of my life (and I'm much older than you are) and I've never noticed people who considered intellectual topics as being "snooty" or "elitist". Granted not everyone is interested in that kind of discussion but I don't see anyone judging those who are.

I just took a trip on the east coast. Hit up Philly, NYC, Long Island, and Boston over the course of a week. The biggest thing that struck out to me was when I was in Boston. A place that is supposedly super educated and high brow. And on paper, it is.

The only thing anybody wanted to talk about was the Patriots/Red Sox/Bruins, how terrible Tom Brady/Kevin Garnett are, how crappy their previous winter was, and how drunk they were going to get when they went to "the shore." This, from a place that bills itself the "Athens of America." Oh, and they LOVE to throw around "f***" like its going out of style.

If you want to discuss how this area needs more educated citizenry, well that's one thing. But in my 9 years I honestly NEVER had anyone tell me or suggest to me that my conversations were snooty or elitist. And if they did WHO CARES? Talk about what you want to talk about and stop worrying about what others think. Maybe it was just the crowd I hung out with, but my friends and I would engage in some serious thought provoking discussions on politics, race, international affairs, etc. Of course it could have just been the booze.

But this notion that people in OKC are such simpletons they can't hold a conversation beyond what Kevin Durant or Bob Stoops is doing (and that this is somehow completely different compared to the rest of the nation) is in of itself quite insulting. This thread is really going downhill.

I just took a trip on the east coast. Hit up Philly, NYC, Long Island, and Boston over the course of a week. The biggest thing that struck out to me was when I was in Boston. A place that is supposedly super educated and high brow. And on paper, it is.

The only thing anybody wanted to talk about was the Patriots/Red Sox/Bruins, how terrible Tom Brady/Kevin Garnett are, how crappy their previous winter was, and how drunk they were going to get when they went to "the shore." This, from a place that bills itself the "Athens of America." Oh, and they LOVE to throw around "f***" like its going out of style.

If you want to discuss how this area needs more educated citizenry, well that's one thing. But in my 9 years I honestly NEVER had anyone tell me or suggest to me that my conversations were snooty or elitist. And if they did WHO CARES? Talk about what you want to talk about and stop worrying about what others think. Maybe it was just the crowd I hung out with, but my friends and I would engage in some serious thought provoking discussions on politics, race, international affairs, etc. Of course it could have just been the booze.

But this notion that people in OKC are such simpletons they can't hold a conversation beyond what Kevin Durant or Bob Stoops is doing (and that this is somehow completely different compared to the rest of the nation) is in of itself quite insulting. This thread is really going downhill.To be fair though, who really wants to talk about academics with friends? Generally when you talk with people, it's about things you like and enjoy. Most people enjoy sports, obviously most here like and care about the city and its development, and earthquakes are the 'thing' to be discussing.

You could literally walk into a random conversation and be all like ''earthquake... oklahoma.. 2014... fracturing" and BOOOOOM, you've set off the dynamite. ;)

To be fair though, who really wants to talk about academics with friends? Generally when you talk with people, it's about things you like and enjoy. Most people enjoy sports, obviously most here like and care about the city and its development, and earthquakes are the 'thing' to be discussing.

You could literally walk into a random conversation and be all like ''earthquake... oklahoma.. 2014... fracturing" and BOOOOOM, you've set off the dynamite. ;)

I think that was exactly the point that adaniel was making. Not many people normally sit around having "intellectual" conversations with their friends or acquaintances and OKC is not any different than any city in that respect.

I think that was exactly the point that adaniel was making. Not many people normally sit around having "intellectual" conversations with their friends or acquaintances and OKC is not any different than any city in that respect.took me twice to read that to understand it.. thanks

Until we get more progressive lawmakers, don't expect many changes to our freedom to purchase alcohol outside of strict hours set by the conservative government.

Still, I don't see what's so impossible about the Oklahoma Legislature passing a law allowing localities to vote on allowing liquor stores to open on Sunday and/or holidays. The Kansas Legislature allowed its citizens that option in 2005. Kansas has a long history of supporting prohibitive laws against alcohol.

Interesting how the Oklahoma Legislature some years back wasn't afraid to let people vote on letting liquor stores open on election days during voting hours. And they did. Maybe that's part of the problem. The people would vote yes to getting rid of remaining prohibitive laws against alcohol when given the chance.

1. Our bus stops are laughable... Some are nice, but most are just a bench with over grown grass and no sidewalk leading up to them. SOME DON'T EVEN HAVE BENCHES! What's up with that?

2. We need better landscaping better beautification standards.

3. Trash. Everywhere you look, there is trash on the side of the road. Lots of it. We need to put those prisoners to work.

4. Bike lanes and sidewalks. Yeah... Duh, right?

Well sometimes I want breakfast at McDonalds after 10:30. Or Chic-fil-a on a Sunday. But you know what? I can't buy it. So you can't buy products at a liquor store on a Sunday or Holiday? Deal with it. I'd hardly call being able to do that progress. It's really unbelievable what some people fret about.

Neither of those examples are restricted by the government as to what time they stop serving breakfast, or if they are open on Sunday.

Nice try.

Neither of those examples are restricted by the government as to what time they stop serving breakfast, or if they are open on Sunday.

Nice try.

Oh snap. A gotcha. You are so good. Then maybe I want to buy a car on Sunday then. The point is there are things in this world you can't buy at certain times. Plan around them. It's not that hard.

Oh snap. A gotcha. You are so good. Then maybe I want to buy a car on Sunday then. The point is there are things in this world you can't buy at certain times. Plan around them. It's not that hard.

If you lived in almost any other state you wouldn't have to deal with the insanely idiotic 9PM closing times and having to buy warm beer. In Oklahoma you really can't do a beer run unless you settle for 3.2. You do have to plan ahead, buy it the night before so it will be cold when you want to drink it. If you've lived in any other state this is extremely difficult to adjust to and even people who have lived here their entire life want to see change. The problem is the teetotalers in the state legislature want to legislate their religious beliefs. I imagine the extreme Talibanic conservatives in the state government are significantly more anti-alcohol than the voters at large. They are afraid that if put to the people, more liberal laws would pass and they can't take that chance.

I know I've posted before it's the little things, when you add them up, that significantly lower quality of life in OKC.

Oh snap. A gotcha. You are so good. Then maybe I want to buy a car on Sunday then. The point is there are things in this world you can't buy at certain times. Plan around them. It's not that hard.

Why should the government regulate when a business can and cannot conduct business?

If I want to buy a car at 4am on Sunday morning, and if there is a dealer who wants to be open at that time, why is it the governments job to say we can't do that?

And it's not "in this world" it's: "things you can't buy at certain times in the state of Oklahoma".

We are behind the times.

And in Texas there are counties you cant buy alcohol at all. It's not just Oklahoma. Lots of places in this world have restrictive laws on purchasing products. Not just alcohol. Look at gun laws in other states. But you want to pick and choose liquor laws in Oklahoma and say we're backwards because of them. Why should government restrict gun sales in New York.

And in Texas there are counties you cant buy alcohol at all. It's not just Oklahoma. Lots of places in this world have restrictive laws on purchasing products. Not just alcohol. Look at gun laws in other states. But you want to pick and choose liquor laws in Oklahoma and say we're backwards because of them. Why should government restrict gun sales in New York.

We aren't talking about things being banned. We are talking about the ability to exchange money for a legal product.

Why is buying legal alcohol on a Sunday or holiday any different than purchasing it on any other day of the week?

Why is purchasing a legal, roadworthy vehicle on a Sunday any different than purchasing it on any other day of the week?

If the item is legal, why is the transaction restricted to certain days of the week?

As far as I know, gun sales in NY are highly restricted equally no matter the day of the week.

If the item is legal, there should be no restrictions on what time of day you can engage in a transaction.

And in Texas there are counties you cant buy alcohol at all. It's not just Oklahoma. Lots of places in this world have restrictive laws on purchasing products. Not just alcohol. Look at gun laws in other states. But you want to pick and choose liquor laws in Oklahoma and say we're backwards because of them. Why should government restrict gun sales in New York.

Texas has only 11 counties that are still completely dry and they are mostly concentrated in the sparsely populated rural west-Central part of the state. Oklahoma has far more counties than that which still restrict liquor by the drink. They would be dry but 3.2 beer is considered "non-intoxicating" so it can be sold. Wet counties in Texas are very wet, with CHILLED strong beer and wine readily available in grocery stores during hours alcohol can be sold, like a normal, civilized state.

Amazing how conservatives here love to justify their backwards laws by pointing to some law in some other state that is really far less intrusive than the one they are trying to justify.

The gun issue is an entirely different debate that I am not going to comment on for the sake of not derailing the thread.

I guess I should have quoted catch 22. Thought most would figure that out.


Why should the government regulate when a business can and cannot conduct business?




And it's not "in this world" it's: "things you can't buy at certain times in the state of Oklahoma".

We are behind the times.

Do you have any answers in response to Post #84?

I am still laughing that "mudding" was brought up as if that is some activity adults living in OKC do on a regular basis.

Do you have any answers in response to Post #84?

Your question is why the laws are the way they are. It's because the representatives of the people that elected them wrote the laws that way. Perhaps you should be directing your question to those legislators, not me. I'm just saying you can easily plan around those restrictions with not much effort. Like I said earlier it amazes me what some people fret about. Is it that difficult for you to plan around those restrictions knowing in full advance what they are? I've never in my life been out of alcohol when I've wanted it because of when liquor stores are required to be closed.

How did we ever get a NBA team with liquor stores and car dealers being closed on Sunday?

We aren't talking about things being banned. We are talking about the ability to exchange money for a legal product.

Why is buying legal alcohol on a Sunday or holiday any different than purchasing it on any other day of the week?

Why is purchasing a legal, roadworthy vehicle on a Sunday any different than purchasing it on any other day of the week?

If the item is legal, why is the transaction restricted to certain days of the week?

As far as I know, gun sales in NY are highly restricted equally no matter the day of the week.

If the item is legal, there should be no restrictions on what time of day you can engage in a transaction.

Catch 22, I think the auto dealers association doesn't want to sell on Sundays, same with the liquor store lobby.

Your question is why the laws are the way they are. It's because the representatives of the people that elected them wrote the laws that way.
And they had the foresight to write the constitution to make it hard to change their handiwork. 8% of the # of votes cast in the last gubernatorial turnout are needed to sign a petition to bring any law change up for a referendum vote. So the representatives have complete control over legislation and voters have virtually none. If you had a tagline below your sn it would be "hostile complacency".

Catch 22, I think the auto dealers association doesn't want to sell on Sundays, same with the liquor store lobby.

Or is it that it just doesn't bother most people enough for them to push to get it done?

If the people of Oklahoma stood up and demanded modern laws my bet is it could get changed relatively quickly. Most people however either support the current laws or are simply used to it and don't see why changing them should be a priority. Like gjl says, the laws are something that can be worked around, they are just an inconvenience.

I'm all for updating liquor laws, but I will say this: anybody who can't get room-temperature beer chilled to ice-cold inside of about 10 minutes is an amateur.

I'm all for updating liquor laws, but I will say this: anybody who can't get room-temperature beer chilled to ice-cold inside of about 10 minutes is an amateur.

i'm listening...

Ice chest or bucket of some sort, fill with bottled or canned beer, fill with ice, fill with water. Every minute or two gently slosh it around enough to circulate the water (and the beer inside the bottles), but not so much that you shake up the bottles. In ten minutes or so the beer will be as cold as the ice water in the cooler. Some people will tell you to put rock salt in, and I'm sure that will cut the time even more, but if you can't wait ten minutes for your next beer, seek help.

I figured it had something to do with that, it's amazing how some ice and cold ass water can cool a beer faster than putting them in the freezer for an hour.

Texas has only 11 counties that are still completely dry and they are mostly concentrated in the sparsely populated rural west-Central part of the state. Oklahoma has far more counties than that which still restrict liquor by the drink. They would be dry but 3.2 beer is considered "non-intoxicating" so it can be sold. Wet counties in Texas are very wet, with CHILLED strong beer and wine readily available in grocery stores during hours alcohol can be sold, like a normal, civilized state.


Very much a "half truth" here. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with Texas liquor laws would laugh at the notion that they are in line with a "normal, civilized state."

There are very few truly wet counties in TX. You forgot to mention the 194 "damp" counties out of 254, of which contain a labyrinth of rules and regulations that differ by cities, counties, commissioner district, Justice of the Peace precincts, etc. I can literally go to a gas station north of me and half the store that lies in one JP precinct is full of booze while the other half that lies in another JP precinct you would literally risk arrest selling alcohol there. The store must maintain two separate registers so at least one is in the wet JP area.

Also, you are incorrect as the majority of counties in OK are completely wet, and there are technically no dry counties in Oklahoma. At a minimum you can buy at least low point beer. In a handful of dry municipalities in TX you cannot even do that. I should add the vast majority of Dallas is considered dry, although in most places you can buy low point beer.

And while I find liquor laws in both states to be rather antiquated, I would be lying if I said any of it stopped me from getting ****faced drunk when I wanted to. So I will ask, what is stopping you?

Water is the key. The ice alone just won't do it.

Yeah Texas liquor laws, minus being able to buy strong (good) beer and wine at grocery stores, are just as crazy. Liquor stores aren't open on Sundays, in DFW as adaniel stated if you live in the Mid-Cities you have to drive to Dallas or Fort Worth if you want bourbon or other liquor, and up until a decade ago when the Texans came into the NFL, you could not buy any alcohol at grocery or convenience stores before noon on Sunday. Was never an issue before because the Cowboys always played 330pm games, but if you were a Texans tailgater (as I was) you could not buy booze on the way to the noon kickoffs. I can't remember if they moved it to 10am or did away with it completely.

I wish people here (the majority populace) were more creative. They're just not. It impacts the design of buildings, the look of neighborhoods, the dated interiors of brand new houses, the way things are laid out, the type of businesses we have, the type of businesses we don't have, the types of job opportunities there are, the recreational activities available, the food, the types of hobbies people are into... Really it's a problem with tentacles into almost every facet of life here.

Also, this city is overrun with government workers. It feels about as bad as DC. I tend to think this and the creativity problem are inter related.

Lived here and DC. Omg, no comparison.

Extreme conservatism and anti-intellectualism go hand-in-hand. It also drives away the creative class leading to the issue with creativity somebody posted about above. That is why OKC is the way it is. Zookeeper is right, it's so incredibly difficult to find somebody in this town to have a conversation with about something other than sports, Christianity, conservative politics, etc. Nothing wrong with those things but I too have noticed how so many people here consider intellectual topics as being "snooty" or "elitist."

I am sure the "Grass is always greener" attitude shows up everywhere, especially among young people who want to get out and experience the world. However, OKC can be challenging if you're not a specific type of person. This town isn't for everyone and if somebody doesn't like it here, you can't immediately jump to the conclusion that it's a problem with that person.

My father could never be happy in a big city. He has lived in them but prefers small towns and rural areas. That is simply his preference. That's not my preference, but that's okay because we are all unique.
Conservatism is so often equated with anti intellectualism. It's a given - just ask them the ones opposed to them.

What I've found is that there is, indeed, many conservatives who see the world in simple terms. They don't make it complicated. They don't feel sadness at the lack of sidewalks or that liquor stores are closed on Sunday. If they notice such things at all, they make a Saturday liquor store trip and never look back. Most of them are darn solid on decision making.

The progressives are consumed with first world problems and seem genuinely miserable most of the time. They call it being intellectual but in the absence of true big intellect and a real joy in ideas, most can't pull it off.

Knowing how to actually think is far more important than what you think actually think about.

Until we get more progressive lawmakers, don't expect many changes to our freedom to purchase alcohol outside of strict hours set by the conservative government.

This ruins many lives.

Your question is why the laws are the way they are. It's because the representatives of the people that elected them wrote the laws that way. Perhaps you should be directing your question to those legislators, not me. I'm just saying you can easily plan around those restrictions with not much effort. Like I said earlier it amazes me what some people fret about. Is it that difficult for you to plan around those restrictions knowing in full advance what they are? I've never in my life been out of alcohol when I've wanted it because of when liquor stores are required to be closed.

And when elected representatives at the State Capitol essentially give Oklahoma citizens the finger when it comes to doing something about abolishing prohibitive laws based upon nonsense, then it's up to the citizens to get back at the situation by organizing petition campaigns to abolish or reform prohibitive laws.

If I'm going to consume it on the 4th of July, or any Sunday anyway. Why do I have to buy it before?

What if I run out during my event, and need to send someone who is sober to go retrieve more Devil's Nectar from the Devil's Liquor cabinet?

I do not understand a mindset that is actually offended that you might have to think ahead. Yes, it can be a tiny bit annoying but for it to go to the top of the list of bad things about the city either says this is a fabulous town, or that some people are incapable of planning ahead. Really, why is this such a big deal?

This ruins many lives.

What do you mean? It's like you fear the fewer prohibitive laws against alcohol, the more lives dead from alcoholism and drunk drivers?

I do not understand a mindset that is actually offended that you might have to think ahead. Yes, it can be a tiny bit annoying but for it to go to the top of the list of bad things about the city either says this is a fabulous town, or that some people are incapable of planning ahead. Really, why is this such a big deal?

Some of us would like to have the same freedom and liberties found in other enlightened and civilized states. We are adults, not children. But I reckon some people fear too much that the more freedom and liberty the government grants, the more severe the aftershocks and social problems. Probably Missouri, with it's less restrictive laws against alcohol would tend to dispute that.

What do you mean? It's like you fear the fewer prohibitive laws against alcohol, the more lives dead from alcoholism and drunk drivers?

I don't fear anything of the kind. I just don't think it is a tragedy that liquor stores are closed on Sunday. People are smart. They really can overcome such primitive conditions. I don't care if they change the law but think it is kind of nice that liquor store workers can get the day off and not get competed out of business. I wish most places could give their workers at least one day on the weekend off to be with their families. People who work 9-5 often don't appreciate that our convenience comes at a price to the ones who have to provide it.

And when elected representatives at the State Capitol essentially give Oklahoma citizens the finger when it comes to doing something about abolishing prohibitive laws based upon nonsense, then it's up to the citizens to get back at the situation by organizing petition campaigns to abolish or reform prohibitive laws.

Maybe they are just giving the finger to the ones that didn't vote for them. Kind of like when Obama said "we won".

Some of us would like to have the same freedom and liberties found in other enlightened and civilized states. We are adults, not children. But I reckon some people fear too much that the more freedom and liberty the government grants, the more severe the aftershocks and social problems. Probably Missouri, with it's less restrictive laws against alcohol would tend to dispute that.

Completely agree.

Extreme conservatives are all about enforcing their morality on the masses. They think alcohol consumption is sin so they will do everything they can to keep the laws as restrictive as they possibly can and derail any ballot measure that might liberalize the laws. They aren't really about small government. They are about BIG government controlling people's personal lives and decisions. THAT is what is wrong with this city and state.

Seeing the misery closed liquor stores on Sundays cause some people is actually kind of entertaining. Sorry, but it is.

Completely agree.

Extreme conservatives are all about enforcing their morality on the masses. They think alcohol consumption is sin so they will do everything they can to keep the laws as restrictive as they possibly can and derail any ballot measure that might liberalize the laws. They aren't really about small government. They are about BIG government controlling people's personal lives and decisions. THAT is what is wrong with this city and state.

Just stop, my entire friend group is conservative and we drink like fish, you are describing a small sect of the right

Seeing the misery closed liquor stores on Sundays cause some people is actually kind of entertaining. Sorry, but it is.

I don't personally care that they are closed on Sundays. It would be nice if you could get real beer (chilled) and wine in the grocery store like a normal state. It would be great if you could buy it after 9PM. Keep the package stores closed on Sundays, give them their day off.

Switching gears but somewhat related is the fact that some brewers refuse to sell their product in Oklahoma because of the laws. On top of that, liquor laws are a huge contributor to, though certainly not the only reason, for why OKC has such terrible grocery stores.

Changing the laws would benefit the consumer in many more ways than people realize, plain and simple. Even people who don't drink would see benefit in terms of nicer and more numerous grocery stores.

Just stop, my entire friend group is conservative and we drink like fish, you are describing a small sect of the right

I know, which is why I said extreme conservative. It's a small sect but it is over-represented in Oklahoma's legislature.

Completely agree.

Extreme conservatives are all about enforcing their morality on the masses. They think alcohol consumption is sin so they will do everything they can to keep the laws as restrictive as they possibly can and derail any ballot measure that might liberalize the laws. They aren't really about small government. They are about BIG government controlling people's personal lives and decisions. THAT is what is wrong with this city and state.

You have no clue regarding the history of Oklahoma's liquor laws, do you?

And, you do know that about 20 states still have dry and mixed counties, including your beloved North Carolina, right? You would probably be shocked to know about the states that have restrictive or "odd" liquor laws and that OK is certainly not alone.

You have no clue regarding the history of Oklahoma's liquor laws, do you?

The liquor laws were born out of the prohibition movement which was widely supported when Oklahoma became a state. 3.2 beer is a leftover from that era as it was considered non-intoxicating so could be sold regardless of prohibition. Over the course of time from 1959 when prohibition was finally repealed in this state until today, there have been very few times when liquor law questions have made it to the ballot, but I believe every time it has, it has always passed.

I do believe however that liquor stores could once stay open later but hours were reduced to the current 9PM in hopes of cutting down on drunk driving. Was that change voted on by the people or was it passed by the legislature?

Sounds like a wikipedia response. Obvious and sounds like it should be right, but it isn't really the story.

Sounds like a wikipedia response. Obvious and sounds like it should be right, but it isn't really the story.

I know state officials wanted to keep brewer-run saloons, which had a reputation in other states as being houses of vice and violence, out of Oklahoma. Because of that, the laws are on the books today that prevent brewers from selling house-crafted beers over 3.2 ABV on premises. Go go any restaurant in Oklahoma that brews its own beer and it has to be 3.2. If it's higher, they have to sell it to a distributor and then buy it back.

Completely agree.

Extreme conservatives are all about enforcing their morality on the masses. They think alcohol consumption is sin so they will do everything they can to keep the laws as restrictive as they possibly can and derail any ballot measure that might liberalize the laws. They aren't really about small government. They are about BIG government controlling people's personal lives and decisions. THAT is what is wrong with this city and state.

You are parroting stuff without anything to back it up. The whole alcohol is a sin is nuts, these days. Even the generation that came before mine was blowing off that mentality. I personally don't even know anyone who thinks like that, including my 90 year old father in law. I know they're out there but their influence is non existent.
Extreme conservatives used to be more about demanding a moral norm but in addition to changing attitudes than began forty years ago, the puritans have been shoved aside by progressives who are the ones with strong opinions about what's right and wrong, zero tolerance for traditional religion or lifestyle, zilch self introspection and a fixation on "big" issues and trivial, with little concern for real world moral quandries everyone faces on a daily basis. I wish they'd notice the many ways your average conservative Joe tries to be a good person, balance the things life throws at him, worries about his job, his kids, his neighbors, etc. instead, these feckless narratives paint them into puritans.

You are parroting stuff without anything to back it up. The whole alcohol is a sin is nuts, these days. Even the generation that came before mine was blowing off that mentality. I personally don't even know anyone who thinks like that, including my 90 year old father in law. I know they're out there but their influence is non existent.

I had an entire response typed up, but I will simply say I was raised in the Independent Baptist movement. They are extremely legalistic, very political, and far more numerous than most people realize. There is one church in OKC that has probably 3,000 people on a given Sunday as well as operates its own school and Bible college. If you ask most people in this city if they've heard of that specific church they would probably say no.